Patriot League Recruiting - Holy Cross

[carney2]

HOLY CROSS = 74

The word on the street has been that Holy Cross did very well with this recruiting class. Sometimes “the word” is right. This is a very good group. Five 2 stars is the most for one class since the Patsy Ratings began. The Committee tried to find some flaws and could only nit pick that there is only one rated skill position player.

QUALITY = 33: Details, and a comparison with prior years:
2010: 12 rated players, 5 of them 2 stars with one confirmed (received 2 stars from both rating services).
2009: 7 rated recruits; no 2 stars
2008: 10 rated recruits; two 2 stars
2007: 2 rated recruits; no 2 stars

CLASS SIZE = 7: 31 recruits. Expectations were for a group even larger than this.

DISTRIBUTION = 8: No TE. (Is the tight end headed for extinction?)

SPEED = 12: The usual disclaimer: there is limited information for this category, and even that information is questionable.

TRIGGER = 0: 1 recruit; no rating from either recruiting service. See Needs below for further discussion.

JUMBO = 6: 5 OL, 3 @ 270+; 8 DL, 3 @ 250+

NEEDS = 8

DB = 4 (of 5): 5 recruits, 1 rated, a 2 star. Adequate numbers, but The Committee needed to see better indications of quality before awarding maximum points.
DL = 4 (of 4): Coach Gilmore hit a home run with this group. Eight recruits, 4 rated, two 2 stars, and 3 are 250+. Maybe a little undersized as a group, but a lot of talent here.
QB = 0 (of 3): 1 recruit; not rated. A spirited debate at Committee headquarters about whether or not 1 Patsy Point was merited. On the plus side, the kid put up some gaudy numbers and was 1st team all-state. As for the negatives, the state was Vermont which is not noted for its high school football, and the recruiting service void indicates that he was not a hot item. Lafayette has a similar recruit, but from Florida, and they got no points. The best thing that can be said about the Holy Cross recruit is the same that can be said about the Lafayette recruit: “He’s certainly big enough” (6’5”, 220 for the future ‘sader). Here’s hoping these two fight it out for offensive player of the year in 2013, but no points were awarded.

THE COMMITTEE’S ADJUSTMENTS = 0

THE RATINGS RACE With 3 To Go:

81 Lehigh
74 Holy Cross
60 Lafayette
28 Fordham*
*Fordham has gone full scholarship. Patsy Rating methodology may not be
appropriate for scholarship football.

[RichH2]

Gilmore really restocked his D with some excellent LBs and DL. HC D has not been very good last few yrs, but with Dom wasn't really an issue made for some exciting games. HC will need their D this upcoming season to be competitive. Would not be surprised to see 3 or 4 of these kids on the 2 deep.

[Pard94]

HOLY CROSS = 74

The word on the street has been that Holy Cross did very well with this recruiting class. Sometimes “the word” is right. This is a very good group. Five 2 stars is the most for one class since the Patsy Ratings began. The Committee tried to find some flaws and could only nit pick that there is only one rated skill position player.

QUALITY = 33: Details, and a comparison with prior years:
2010: 12 rated players, 5 of them 2 stars with one confirmed (received 2 stars from both rating services).
2009: 7 rated recruits; no 2 stars
2008: 10 rated recruits; two 2 stars
2007: 2 rated recruits; no 2 stars

CLASS SIZE = 7: 31 recruits. Expectations were for a group even larger than this.

DISTRIBUTION = 8: No TE. (Is the tight end headed for extinction?)

SPEED = 12: The usual disclaimer: there is limited information for this category, and even that information is questionable.

TRIGGER = 0: 1 recruit; no rating from either recruiting service. See Needs below for further discussion.

JUMBO = 6: 5 OL, 3 @ 270+; 8 DL, 3 @ 250+

NEEDS = 8

DB = 4 (of 5): 5 recruits, 1 rated, a 2 star. Adequate numbers, but The Committee needed to see better indications of quality before awarding maximum points.
DL = 4 (of 4): Coach Gilmore hit a home run with this group. Eight recruits, 4 rated, two 2 stars, and 3 are 250+. Maybe a little undersized as a group, but a lot of talent here.
QB = 0 (of 3): 1 recruit; not rated. A spirited debate at Committee headquarters about whether or not 1 Patsy Point was merited. On the plus side, the kid put up some gaudy numbers and was 1st team all-state. As for the negatives, the state was Vermont which is not noted for its high school football, and the recruiting service void indicates that he was not a hot item. Lafayette has a similar recruit, but from Florida, and they got no points. The best thing that can be said about the Holy Cross recruit is the same that can be said about the Lafayette recruit: “He’s certainly big enough” (6’5”, 220 for the future ‘sader). Here’s hoping these two fight it out for offensive player of the year in 2013, but no points were awarded.

THE COMMITTEE’S ADJUSTMENTS = 0

THE RATINGS RACE With 3 To Go:

81 Lehigh
74 Holy Cross
60 Lafayette
28 Fordham*
*Fordham has gone full scholarship. Patsy Rating methodology may not be
appropriate for scholarship football.

Let the record show...I called this outcome last week. Here's the proof

http://lafayettesports.myfreeforum.org/about1089.html

My prediction was based on analysis rooted squarely in what I call the Carney Effect. Simply put, Lafayette can never finish higher than 3rd in the Patsy Ratings. Any finish higher than third would call into question every pesimistic belief Carney holds dear...and his head may explode. If the math supports a higher finish than third place for the Leopards Carney reserves the right to inject some bogey real or imagined in order to scuttle the Lafayette rankings. This year Lafayette's inability to recruit an incoming Freshman QB despite the fact that Lafayette already has three viable starters none of whom are Seniors factored significantly in Lafayette's overall ranking. Carney is the Keeper of the Patsy Keys and the QB "problem" weighed heavily on the Key Master. The rest of the Carney Effect states that, while Lehigh does not have to finish first in the rankings, it can never be ranked below Lafayette.

In fact I will now accurately predict the Patsy Rating for 2011 and save Carney a whole heap of work. Here goes...

1. Lehigh (The team Carney loves to hate and hates to subconsciously love)
2. Colgate
3. Holy Cross
4. Lafayette (This ranking is predicated on the belief that we will go out and recruit a third string long snapper. If we don't this ranking slips to just behind Georgetown)
5. Bucknell
6. Georgetown

[Bogus Megapardus]

Let the record show...I called this outcome last week. Here's the proof

http://lafayettesports.myfreeforum.org/about1089.html

P94 - if you post the double-secret address of the Lafayette Sports Board like that, someone might actually read it.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Simply put, Lafayette can never finish higher than 3rd in the Patsy Ratings. Any finish higher than third would call into question every pesimistic belief Carney holds dear...and his head may explode. If the math supports a higher finish than third place for the Leopards Carney reserves the right to inject some bogey real or imagined in order to scuttle the Lafayette rankings.

Have some compassion for poor carney. I think he's looping the Al Pierce interception and playing it ad nauseum in his sunlight-free room. Think "Fever Pitch" and the replay of Bill Buckner's Game 6 gaffe over and over again.

[carney2]

Heavens to mergatroid, my old friend 94 seems to be having a severe backup of liver bile. But I live to serve. If he didn't have me to kick around and relieve the stress, we'd be reading about him in section A. He needs a history lesson however. His beloved Pards actually placed number one in the Patsy Ratings in the first year - 2007 I believe.

There is a cure for all of this - recruit better. I have contended frequently before that Lafayette's facilities give them a recruiting edge that is not being fully exploited. It could be that the coaching staff is being hamstrung by the administration, but the alumni who chipped in for that Taj Mafootball are not getting full bang for their buck in the recruiting process. 94 and his fellow travelers would counter that the recruiting is going just fine. I have 4 words for he and his friends:

Show me the trophy!

I'll expand it to five words for anyone out there who does not have the benefit of an elite Patriot League education:

SHOW ME THE FREAKIN' TROPHY!!!!!

Oh yeah, LFN, for you and your fellow South Mountain Buzzards, the same to you. You are at the other end of this argument, but showing even lesser results.

One final word to 94 and his psychiatrist, I don't make it up. I have virtually no control over the point distribution and the final rankings. As flawed as it is - and it is seriously flawed - the Patsy Rankings are about as objective as we can get in this silly game of evaluating 18 year old football recruits. I contend (again) that if 94 or LFN or anyone sat down with the Patsy Rules and the school press releases, all of us would arrive at the exact same point totals in 6 of the 8 categories.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Oh yeah, LFN, for you and your fellow South Mountain Buzzards, the same to you. You are at the other end of this argument, but showing even lesser results.

I cannot argue.

[Franks Tanks]

Heavens to mergatroid, my old friend 94 seems to be having a severe backup of liver bile. But I live to serve. If he didn't have me to kick around and relieve the stress, we'd be reading about him in section A. He needs a history lesson however. His beloved Pards actually placed number one in the Patsy Ratings in the first year - 2007 I believe.

There is a cure for all of this - recruit better. I have contended frequently before that Lafayette's facilities give them a recruiting edge that is not being fully exploited. It could be that the coaching staff is being hamstrung by the administration, but the alumni who chipped in for that Taj Mafootball are not getting full bang for their buck in the recruiting process. 94 and his fellow travelers would counter that the recruiting is going just fine. I have 4 words for he and his friends:

Show me the trophy!

I'll expand it to five words for anyone out there who does not have the benefit of an elite Patriot League education:

SHOW ME THE FREAKIN' TROPHY!!!!!

Oh yeah, LFN, for you and your fellow South Mountain Buzzards, the same to you. You are at the other end of this argument, but showing even lesser results.

One final word to 94 and his psychiatrist, I don't make it up. I have virtually no control over the point distribution and the final rankings. As flawed as it is - and it is seriously flawed - the Patsy Rankings are about as objective as we can get in this silly game of evaluating 18 year old football recruits. I contend (again) that if 94 or LFN or anyone sat down with the Patsy Rules and the school press releases, all of us would arrive at the exact same point totals in 6 of the 8 categories.

We were within a Leopard whisker last year. May I remind you that even with the Holy Cross loss we had a chance to share the title save for a poor pass by Mr. Curley and some dubious play calling.

[RichH2]

Last year is done. I for one want to put that yr away , also truth be told the last 4, and move on to next yr. Hope springs eternal. No one has a lock next yr s/b very competitive.

Geez, guys we s/b thanking Carney not picking on him. The system perhaps could be tweaked a bit but it is as objective a system for non schollie FB as can be fashioned IMHO. If we go schollie then the system may have to be adjusted somewhat. Nevertheless lets remeber the era before The Curmudgeon created the Patsy, a stetch of sheer and utter boredom waiting for a few crumbs of news during spring practice. Admit it we all look forward to his ratings and he is right using his system I come out with just about same results.

[carney2]

We were within a Leopard whisker last year. May I remind you that even with the Holy Cross loss we had a chance to share the title save for a poor pass by Mr. Curley and some dubious play calling.

Wouldabeen. Couldabeen. Shouldabeen. It's all loserspeak. Recruit the players and you'll get it done. Just show me the trophy!