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Which FCS conferences have conference-imposed scholarship limits that are lower than the 63 that the NCAA imposes for the FCS level?
I know that the Pioneer Football league doesn't allow any athletic scholarships for football, and I believe that the Ivy League has some rule against athletic scholarships (or had, at some point). Not sure what the status is on some of the other leagues.
does anyone have info on this matter?
Ivy: 0Quote:
Originally Posted by JayJ79
Pioneer: 0
Northeast: 40
Patriot: 60 by 2016 (all except Georgetown)
All others: 63
thanks. 60 seems kind of an odd limit. You'd think you'd either have something markedly, like the NEC, or just allow schools to do the NCAA max, instead of being 3 shy of it.
The NEC has a limit of 40 athletic scholarships. However, other equiv aid can be provide up the FCS limit.
This combo of aid is how Wagner has been a "bowl counter" and other NEC teams are also getting close to that mark.
Does Georgetown not offer any football scholarships?
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Here we go..... and we like 60 because it's a nice, round numbah.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgtw
The MEAC allows 63, but no MEAC school offers 63.
Is there a website / database where we can find the number of scholarships or equivalencies for all FCS schools?Quote:
Originally Posted by superman7515
Not that I know of. I don't believe Delaware is offering a full 63 at this point: There were only 32 scholarship players suited up this spring, there were 22 recruits and Brock said they made up 1/3 of the scholarship players, since many incoming recruits don't receive full scholarships at this level it's quite possible that Delaware doesn't actually have the equivalent of 63 full scholarships on the roster.
Don't know of a site to see this information and don't think it is disclosed. From experience and observations I'm confident there are MANY schools that don't fund the full 63 limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by superman7515
Exactly. I doubt all MEAC schools fund 63 schollys - they are likely closer to the 57 "bowl counter status"Quote:
Originally Posted by blackbeard
I know the MEAC has a 54 scholarship minimum rule. Mississippi Valley State was dropped by Mississippi State because MVSU was only giving the equivalent of 36 scholarships. Not sure if NC A&T is back up to speed, they were under NCAA sanctions and were down to 30 scholarships not that long ago, then up to 45, so I'm not sure where they are at.
Interesting, I didn't know that. Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by superman7515
MEACFansZone.Proboards.com
No one hates the MEAC more than the MEAC, haha.
Duquesne's Game Notes say they are at 37 this year. http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...0140903aaa.pdf
I asked the NEC office once about how many scholarships each school was giving; they said they don't give out that information.
In 2015, A&T will offer the full 63. Right now, we are at roughly 90%.Quote:
Originally Posted by superman7515
also, Murray State offers 63 or close to it.
We're below the min. I also don't know if that rule is really enforced, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by superman7515
Nova is always below the 63 number, playing with 58 and trying to make up the 5 with preferred walk-ons that qualify for financial aid or parents who can pay the full $60,000 with the promise of a scholarship if they earn it later on. It stinks.
From what I understand of DelState and Savannah State, it's not enforced.Quote:
Originally Posted by WestCoastAggie
FCS Independent UNC-C is transitioning to Conference USA this season so We (Elon) spotted them 11 Scholly's
this past Saturday. Came out with 20-13 win fwiw.
This is the key. Just because 63 are allowed, very few actually get to 63 every year. Most of the MEAC, SWAC, and I'm sure other conferences are well below 63. This is why basing a judgement on team or program strength on scholarship limits is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by superman7515
This is far more common than most fans realize, even many schools from the so called power conferences play every year with far less than the full 63.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anovafan
I know for certain that FCS teams break their scholarships in half and award partials to players or get their kids on Academic Schollys If they have the grades. Well that's what they do at A&T, at least.
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Why? This is really surprising to me, hearing of top-tier teams like Delaware and Villanova playing with less than 63. There must be a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anovafan
Colgate, Georgetown, and Holy Cross do not offer academic aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR. CHICKEN
Clarified it a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DFW HOYA
isn't it better to take away a few scholarships and spread them out to add depth to your roster?
Depth is key, perhaps adding 10 guys on partial scholarship is better than having 5 full time guys. Especially at this level, where the full scholarship player isnt all that much better than the partial guy. A lot of FCS schools have talented walk-on guys too, happens to UNH all the time (Andy Vailas).
A team could have a roster of 63 guys on full scholarship
A team could have a roster of 58 full scholarship and 10 partial scholarship, adding depth to a few key areas.
perhaps offering those partials to players that would be talented walk-ons at other schools too.
Money, money, money. Nova football is a financial loser for the school. Saving $300k on 5 scholarships and playing an FBS game every year for a $300-$500k payday is the only way to keep the program alive. For those who don't remember, Nova dropped then Division I football completely in 1980 for 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleH
How does not using 5 scholarships save $300k? Not using 5 schollies and having 5 more football players paying tuition is not the same thing as having 5 who aren't because they're on scholarship. It doesn't "cost" the school the tuition they would be paying, and the 5 tuition-paying students could be any 5 students, not just football players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anovafan
There's a cost to housing/feeding/insuring the players, but those are group costs and I can't imagine it's anywhere near that figure.
As a *former* Patriot League fan, I have a theory about the "60" limit. I would speculate that it was designed with two things in mind. First, it makes for a convenient way for members to phase in scholarships without debate or confusion - 15 scholarships per year, over four years. All else being the same, the additional three scholarships could be dealt with at a later time. Second, there may have been a notion at the time that the NCAA was going to pull back the FCS scholarship max from 63 to 60. Again, however, the additional 3 scholarships are trivial and could be dealt with once everyone was at 60.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayJ79
It's my guess (and only a guess) based on everything I've read and heard, that the PL intends to be "full scholarship" once all the scholarships are fully implemented.
DFW (and others) correctly point out that the PL will allow a maximum of 60 scholarships once they are fully implemented. Individual members will be free to elect to go with fewer scholarships. Several schools likely will have fewer at any given time but all (except Georgetown) probably will want to have enough to be FBS counters. Georgetown is free to add scholarships but has chosen not to do so due to a combination of budgetary and philosophic reasons.
As it stand right now, PL schools have only a handful of scholarship players on their starting rosters.
I'm fairly sure that just about any FCS team (that awards scholarships) utilizes partial schollys to some extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNHFan@RWU
Yep. If you can recruit a kid that qualifies for an Academic Scholly, that definitely helps your budgetary needs as team and can help your APR levels also.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR. CHICKEN
Pretty sure that most MVFC teams are funding 63 scholarships, even if some are broken up amongst athletes. The current Illinois State roster has 94 players and thanks in large part to Title IX, we have 3 more Women's sports to offset the scholarships. I do believe some of our other sports are also not providing the full allotment of scholarships. I believe our baseball team splits 13 scholarships amongst it's 25 athletes.
Isn't the D-I limit for baseball set at 11.7?Quote:
Originally Posted by REALBird
I agree with what you are saying and make the same sort of argument but that is not how administrators see it. Every time tuition rises, athletic budgets increase as a result. The only way Nova has been able to contain the increasing loss from football is to not fund the 5 scholarships (5x$60k tuition = 300k savings in the budget) and play the FBS payday games. I just say admit 5 more paying students and fund the 5 football scholarships, but that doesn't fly and also has Title IX ramifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleH