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2017 (Too Early) SoCon Football Predictions
School |
Conference Wins |
Conference Losses |
Samford |
7 |
1 |
Chattanooga |
6 |
2 |
The Citadel |
6 |
2 |
Furman |
5 |
3 |
Wofford |
4 |
4 |
Mercer |
3 |
5 |
Western Carolina |
3 |
5 |
ETSU |
2 |
6 |
VMI |
1 |
7 |
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Too Early Projections - SoCon 2017
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Good thread. Are you doing a Big South WTE thread?
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It appears to be a 3 way race for this league. But I wanna say Furman is a dark horse. They brought in Charleston Southerns defensive staff, and that staff was brilliant against option teams. They were one of the only staffs who bottled up Citadel and Woffords option attack (still lost to Wofford though) as well as other option teams they faced.
Wouldnt be shocked at all if Furman finishes 2nd or 3rd...or better. Maybe not in year 1 of the new staff. But soon.
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Bucs2016
It appears to be a 3 way race for this league. But I wanna say Furman is a dark horse. They brought in Charleston Southerns defensive staff, and that staff was brilliant against option teams. They were one of the only staffs who bottled up Citadel and Woffords option attack (still lost to Wofford though) as well as other option teams they faced.
Wouldn't be shocked at all if Furman finishes 2nd or 3rd...or better. Maybe not in year 1 of the new staff. But soon.
That is a great point. Was thinking it will take a year or so for Furman to have time to install changes and move back into contention.
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youcanbankit
That is a great point. Was thinking it will take a year or so for Furman to have time to install changes and move back into contention.
Yeah probably will. But im VERY high on Chad Staggs after seeing what he did with the CSU defense. Throttled the Citadel and Wofford option attacks. He held NDSU to 17 points in Fargo to force overtime. He will make Furmans defense very good very fast, especially against the run. And in that league right now if you can stop the option, thats huge. CSU did at times give up a lot of passing yards, but I think he can land secondary talent that's probably a little better than he had at CSU.
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youcanbankit
School |
Conference Wins |
Conference Losses |
Samford |
7 |
1 |
Chattanooga |
6 |
2 |
The Citadel |
6 |
2 |
Furman |
5 |
3 |
Wofford |
4 |
4 |
Mercer |
3 |
5 |
Western Carolina |
3 |
5 |
ETSU |
2 |
6 |
VMI |
1 |
7 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5_xgo1Twr8
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youcanbankit
That is a great point. Was thinking it will take a year or so for Furman to have time to install changes and move back into contention.
There is a lot of excitement about the Furman program. Some have said it has been decades since they have seen this sort of buzz around Paladin football.
Offensively, I think Furman will be fine. We return most players off the offensive line two deep, have a solid group of capable running backs, some gifted wide receivers, and can hand the ball to a senior QB who already has a lot of the athletic traits you are looking for in this offense. It is hard to say exactly what the Furman offense will look like, but I think it will be difficult to prepare for in the conference.
Defensively, we will see. We graduated some talented players, but I think a 3-4 system is well suited to what Furman needs to do on defense. Chad Staggs has been really successful, and has seen a lot of the option during his time at Charleston Southern. Of course, Clay Hendrix was an offensive staff member that ran a lot of option at Air Force, so I expect they will have a pretty good idea on what to look for and how to defend it. As I have said before, I would be hard pressed to believe there is another program in D1 football that has seen the option as much as Furman has.
I am really impressed with Furman hires on the coaching staff. Hired a lot of guys that came from winning programs. Guys that know how to coach. Also hired a lot of guys that are philosophically aligned with what Hendrix wants to do on both sides of the ball. He made smart hires with the coordinators, and then filled in the staff with guys that already understand the system those coordinators want to run.
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Bucs2016
But im VERY high on Chad Staggs after seeing what he did with the CSU defense. Throttled the Citadel and Wofford option attacks. He will make Furmans defense very good very fast, especially against the run. And in that league right now if you can stop the option, thats huge.
Agree. Studied their 2015 1st game against El Cid very closely. They did a lot of interesting things with personnel groups and stunts/games on the end of the line to confuse the blockers and the QB. They were able to do this because they were able to stop the dive without having to fully commit 4-6 guys to get that piece done - pretty much stopped the dive (either way) with the 3 guys in the middle.
Also would point out that Mercer's D, with the exception of 1 play (70 yd TD on the 2nd play of the game) vs. El Cid, was rather solid against the TO in 2016 as well. Held CIT to 3.76 ypc (with the exception of that 70 yard run) & 11 1st downs rushing. CIT avg'd 5.37 ypc/18 1st downs rushing in 2016. They didn't fare quite so well the following week vs. GT as they took some time to get adjusted to FBS speed in their 1st game vs. an FBS Team in 75 years, but they weren't awful and the outcome was not determined until about 1/2way thru the 4th quarter. Finally, they played an outstanding game vs. Woffy's TO holding the LittleDogs to 205 yards/3.42 ypc and only 10 1st downs rushing - 2nd only to CSU's defense of their rushing game.
The Bears open with 2 TO Teams again in 2017 - 1st JacksonvilleU, then Woffy - both in Macon. Then they'll face their 3rd TO Opponent @ CIT 4 weeks later and, likely, another TO-based Team, @ Furman, 2 weeks after that. It will be interesting to see how having a reasonably solid 2016 vs. the TO and playing 7 games against the TO over the 2016-17 span will work out for Mercer this coming season.
On a more 'macro-level,' Furman should be able to defend the TO well with their familiarity with it as most of the Staff is from CSU or Air Force and, most likely, will be running a version of it themselves. Mercer seems to have it reasonably well figured out and El Cid and Woffy don't seem to be able to do to one another what they have been able to do to non-TO Teams. Didn't do the 'deep analysis' on it, but, at a glance, it appears that Sammy, ETSU, and WCU struggled to stop CIT's and Woffy's running games last year, with VMI & Chatt having mixed results. So, it will be interesting to see how that (the possible rise of Defense-ability by Mercer and Furman vs. the TO) plays out and translates into wins/losses in SoCon games in 2017.
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All of those numbers from the Mercer game last year mean exactly JACK ****. Jordan Black, who had never taken a college snap, played Quarterback in that one. Mercer couldn't even stop a guy who had never played on their home field in a game they had 6 months to prepare for.
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citdog
All of those numbers from the Mercer game last year mean exactly JACK ****. Jordan Black, who had never taken a college snap, played Quarterback in that one. Mercer couldn't even stop a guy who had never played on their home field in a game they had 6 months to prepare for.
Black had 10 carries for 25 yards. 2.5 ypc - I think CIT expects a bit better rushing production than that from the QB spot. So, I don't think your "couldn't even stop a guy..." comment in the context of my discussion of Mercer's run D vs. the TO carries any weight or luggage. All the Bears could do was line up against the CIT Players that were eligible, available, unsuspended, & uninjured that night. Both Teams had Players that did not play for various reasons.
Are you going to denigrate the replacements for Delaney, Pinson, Williams, Graham, and Johnson next year to dispute actual game results?
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FUBeAR
Black had 10 carries for 25 yards. 2.5 ypc - I think CIT expects a bit better rushing production than that from the QB spot. So, I don't think your "couldn't even stop a guy..." comment in the context of my discussion of Mercer's run D vs. the TO carries any weight or luggage. All the Bears could do was line up against the CIT Players that were eligible, available, unsuspended, & uninjured that night. Both Teams had Players that did not play for various reasons.
Are you going to denigrate the replacements for Delaney, Pinson, Williams, Graham, and Johnson next year to dispute actual game results?
Guy came in and ran the offense and won a conference game on the road against a team that had a lot of hype and expectations. He also had a better Qb Pass Rating than the fella who had been at Mercer longer than Nealon Greene was at klempsin...
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FUBeAR
Agree. Studied their 2015 1st game against El Cid very closely. They did a lot of interesting things with personnel groups and stunts/games on the end of the line to confuse the blockers and the QB. They were able to do this because they were able to stop the dive without having to fully commit 4-6 guys to get that piece done - pretty much stopped the dive (either way) with the 3 guys in the middle.
Also would point out that Mercer's D, with the exception of 1 play (70 yd TD on the 2nd play of the game) vs. El Cid, was rather solid against the TO in 2016 as well. Held CIT to 3.76 ypc (with the exception of that 70 yard run) & 11 1st downs rushing. CIT avg'd 5.37 ypc/18 1st downs rushing in 2016. They didn't fare quite so well the following week vs. GT as they took some time to get adjusted to FBS speed in their 1st game vs. an FBS Team in 75 years, but they weren't awful and the outcome was not determined until about 1/2way thru the 4th quarter. Finally, they played an outstanding game vs. Woffy's TO holding the LittleDogs to 205 yards/3.42 ypc and only 10 1st downs rushing - 2nd only to CSU's defense of their rushing game.
The Bears open with 2 TO Teams again in 2017 - 1st JacksonvilleU, then Woffy - both in Macon. Then they'll face their 3rd TO Opponent @ CIT 4 weeks later and, likely, another TO-based Team, @ Furman, 2 weeks after that. It will be interesting to see how having a reasonably solid 2016 vs. the TO and playing 7 games against the TO over the 2016-17 span will work out for Mercer this coming season.
On a more 'macro-level,' Furman should be able to defend the TO well with their familiarity with it as most of the Staff is from CSU or Air Force and, most likely, will be running a version of it themselves. Mercer seems to have it reasonably well figured out and El Cid and Woffy don't seem to be able to do to one another what they have been able to do to non-TO Teams. Didn't do the 'deep analysis' on it, but, at a glance, it appears that Sammy, ETSU, and WCU struggled to stop CIT's and Woffy's running games last year, with VMI & Chatt having mixed results. So, it will be interesting to see how that (the possible rise of Defense-ability by Mercer and Furman vs. the TO) plays out and translates into wins/losses in SoCon games in 2017.
As a former colleague would say, "other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?"
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citdog
Guy came in and ran the offense and won a conference game on the road against a team that had a lot of hype and expectations. He also had a better Qb Pass Rating than the fella who had been at Mercer longer than Nealon Greene was at klempsin...
...who threw for 100 more yards and ran for 50 more yds & 2 more TD's.
...but I wasn't down-talking young Mr. Black. You were. I thought he played an outstanding game. His passing on the final drive enabled CIT to come away with a come-from-behind, last seconds, 1 point win. I've seen the other guy throw. I don't believe he could have done that.
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FUBeAR
...who threw for 100 more yards and ran for 50 more yds & 2 more TD's.
...but I wasn't down-talking young Mr. Black. You were. I thought he played an outstanding game. His passing on the final drive enabled CIT to come away with a come-from-behind, last seconds, 1 point win. I've seen the other guy throw. I don't believe he could have done that.
Road Conference "W". I wasn't badmouthing Cadet Black I pointed out that you didn't have to face a 2 year starter at QB who is yet another physical and pounding type fella who knows the checks and runs our version of the TO as good as anyone not named Gene Brown or Jack Douglas. I agree with you that Black is the better passer but barring injury or MORE roster massacres he will have to wait one more year to be the guy in Charleston. If some of the other fellas we have brought in aren't BETTER that is.
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PaladinFan
As a former colleague would say, "other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?"
I think you need to refresh your schtick. You've used that one before.
Yep - I 'excepted' 1 play in 164 rushing attempts by TO Teams vs. Mercer in 2016. 0.6%. Whatever, Mr. Booth, put it back in...Mercer played exceptional run defense in 2016, especially, relative to other Teams vs. FCS TO Teams....with the exception of the 1st half vs. Chatt. (not a TO Team).
BTW - Unlike JWB's bullet, that 70 yard run was only a flesh wound. The strip sack on the subsequent Offensive series deep in Mercer territory leading to another quick TD & the inability to stop CIT's P/A Passes on the final series were the kill shots. #SicSemperTyrannis
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FUBeAR
I think you need to refresh your schtick. You've used that one before.
Yep - I 'excepted' 1 play in 164 rushing attempts by TO Teams vs. Mercer in 2016. 0.6%. Whatever, Mr. Booth, put it back in...Mercer played exceptional run defense in 2016, especially, relative to other Teams vs. FCS TO Teams....with the exception of the 1st half vs. Chatt. (not a TO Team).
BTW - Unlike JWB's bullet, that 70 yard run was only a flesh wound. The strip sack on the subsequent Offensive series deep in Mercer territory leading to another quick TD & the inability to stop CIT's P/A Passes on the final series were the kill shots. #SicSemperTyrannis
Fairly descriptive of how a triple option team beats you. It isn't the barrage of 3-4 yard runs that sinks the defense. More often than not it is one or two broken tackles over the course of four quarters. Everyone has an assignment, and one guy out of place will lead to a back breaking play.
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PaladinFan
Fairly descriptive of how a triple option team beats you. It isn't the barrage of 3-4 yard runs that sinks the defense. More often than not it is one or two broken tackles over the course of four quarters. Everyone has an assignment, and one guy out of place will lead to a back breaking play.
100% right. Thats what facing triple option is. Constant small gains or small losses. In fact the defense gets very confident a lot of times. Then bam. You get hit by that 65 yard unexpected play action pass or miss that one tackle on the FB dive and he goes for 70. Very frustrating. Every defense who loses a close game to a TO team will point to 1 or 2 big plays and that they otherwise shut the team down.
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PaladinFan
Fairly descriptive of how a triple option team beats you. It isn't the barrage of 3-4 yard runs that sinks the defense. More often than not it is one or two broken tackles over the course of four quarters. Everyone has an assignment, and one guy out of place will lead to a back breaking play.
Exactly & supports my point. CIT only had about 3 other carries over 10 yards & Woffy only had about 5 or 6 over 10; with their longest being 16. That 70 yard CIT run was a single anomaly for Mercer's Run D vs. TO Teams in 2016. 1 out of 164. It was a bug; not a feature.
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FUBeAR
Exactly & supports my point. CIT only had about 3 other carries over 10 yards & Woffy only had about 5 or 6 over 10; with their longest being 16. That 70 yard CIT run was a single anomaly for Mercer's Run D vs. TO Teams in 2016. 1 out of 164. It was a bug; not a feature.
Yeah but that IS the feature of triple option. Most teams who face triple option and had close games probably have a similar stat. CSU played Citadel 4x, Wofford 1x and Kennessaw St 2x over the last few years, all close games. It was the same. 99% of the plays went for small gains if any. Then bam...we get hit. Its like a boxer setting up a knockout punch with jabs and rope a dopes.
When Citadel beat South Carolina in 2015 it was the same. The Gamecocks handled them pretty much the entire game. But they broke 2 long ass TD runs. Thats it. 2 runs. But the grinding kept USC offense off the field and it wore down and bored their defense. And then the knockout blow came. That's how TO works, its a brilliant and beautiful offense.
I may never get over Wofford beating CSU in the playoffs last year haha. So frustrating defending them!
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Bucs2016
Yeah but that IS the feature of triple option. Most teams who face triple option and had close games probably have a similar stat. CSU played Citadel 4x, Wofford 1x and Kennessaw St 2x over the last few years, all close games. It was the same. 99% of the plays went for small gains if any. Then bam...we get hit. Its like a boxer setting up a knockout punch with jabs and rope a dopes.
When Citadel beat South Carolina in 2015 it was the same. The Gamecocks handled them pretty much the entire game. But they broke 2 long ass TD runs. Thats it. 2 runs. But the grinding kept USC offense off the field and it wore down and bored their defense. And then the knockout blow came. That's how TO works, its a brilliant and beautiful offense.
I may never get over Wofford beating CSU in the playoffs last year haha. So frustrating defending them!
I am not disputing the point you have been making but you either didn't watch the game or forgot and the USC game is not a perfect example to prove your point. They did a lot of things, but handle the TO? No they did not. We had one drive where we had 8, 9 10, 11 yard runs over and over again all the way down the field. That is not handling us. They had some serious problems stopping us, to the tune of 350 yards. We did have a couple big plays, but lots of medium yard ones as well. Take away the big TD runs (56 and 59 yards) and Renew is still over 5 Yds a run and Jackson is over 4.
But to get back to your point, I agree with it pretty much. A defense can either be effective against the run every play, or not. If they are effective, they can either give up the odd big play or not. All depends on how good their concentration, conditioning and depth are.
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ElCid
I am not disputing the point you have been making but you either didn't watch the game or forgot and the USC game is not a perfect example to prove your point. They did a lot of things, but handle the TO? No they did not. We had one drive where we had 8, 9 10, 11 yard runs over and over again all the way down the field. That is not handling us. They had some serious problems stopping us, to the tune of 350 yards. We did have a couple big plays, but lots of medium yard ones as well. Take away the big TD runs (56 and 59 yards) and Renew is still over 5 Yds a run and Jackson is over 4.
But to get back to your point, I agree with it pretty much. A defense can either be effective against the run every play, or not. If they are effective, they can either give up the odd big play or not. All depends on how good their concentration, conditioning and depth are.
I meant by the score. Yes yall moved the ball but like anyone facing it, its ok to give up some drives but not points. As for the score USC did "handle" it...except for those 2 long runs. Which as I said...is the hallmark of T.O. football.
You nailed it. Concentration. It almost lulls you to sleep. Or...gets players excited because they're "shutting it down" and guys speed up and over pursue...then bam. 80 yd TD.
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youcanbankit
It's hard to agree with a prediction where the team that went the farthest in the playoffs is predicted to have 4 conference losses, while a team that lost to ETSU and made its usual early playoff exit is picked 1st.xcrazyx
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Coach wach will have an offensive playbook ready for the loss of Cobb, Forlines, Sanders, Swingle......look for a lot less shotgun (xbowx); more plays w/FB or H-Back in backfield at the snap, less plays snapping the ball with 16+ seconds on the play clock.....DO NOT SEE another 1-7 campaign....
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walliver
It's hard to agree with a prediction where the team that went the farthest in the playoffs is predicted to have 4 conference losses, while a team that lost to ETSU and made its usual early playoff exit is picked 1st.xcrazyx
That QB yall have taking over (#8 isnt it?) is gonna be a nightmare for opponents.
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kdinva
Coach wach will have an offensive playbook ready for the loss of Cobb, Forlines, Sanders, Swingle......look for a lot less shotgun (xbowx); more plays w/FB or H-Back in backfield at the snap, less plays snapping the ball with 16+ seconds on the play clock.....DO NOT SEE another 1-7 campaign....
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walliver
It's hard to agree with a prediction where the team that went the farthest in the playoffs is predicted to have 4 conference losses, while a team that lost to ETSU and made its usual early playoff exit is picked 1st.xcrazyx
To put it simply, if Samford wants to be taken seriously on a national scale, you do not lose to ETSU.
But, I agree with you, Samford is developing a reputation as a paper tiger that makes a lot of noise in the preseason, but does not back it up when it matters. Wofford is the opposite. Rarely a lot of noise, but just keeps winning.
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PaladinFan
To put it simply, if Samford wants to be taken seriously on a national scale, you do not lose to ETSU.
But, I agree with you, Samford is developing a reputation as a paper tiger that makes a lot of noise in the preseason, but does not back it up when it matters. Wofford is the opposite. Rarely a lot of noise, but just keeps winning.
These are really good points. I think it is obvious that Samford kicked back at the ETSU game and/or were looking forward. Not saying ETSU is horrible, they were ok in their second season, but Samford should have handled them. Samford has underwhelmed a lot the last 3-4 years. They have talent to be sure so why they can't put it together, I don't know. I want to say that maybe they need to lay off the transfers and do a better job recruiting. I think they have had quite a bit the last few years, but not sure of the actual number. Not saying that transfers would want to win, but I personally believe that teams that grow up together win together more easily. There is obviously some mental issue involved with Samford lately.
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ElCid
These are really good points. I think it is obvious that Samford kicked back at the ETSU game and/or were looking forward. Not saying ETSU is horrible, they were ok in their second season, but Samford should have handled them. Samford has underwhelmed a lot the last 3-4 years. They have talent to be sure so why they can't put it together, I don't know. I want to say that maybe they need to lay off the transfers and do a better job recruiting. I think they have had quite a bit the last few years, but not sure of the actual number. Not saying that transfers would want to win, but I personally believe that teams that grow up together win together more easily. There is obviously some mental issue involved with Samford lately.
Transitive properties don't work in football, but I'm going to use it anyway.
Teams that are true contenders don't screw around with less talented teams. Wofford, for instance, trounced ETSU. They trounced Western Carolina. They shutout VMI (who is plucky enough to hang around good teams but not good enough to beat them).
Bad games happen. Sometimes things are not clicking. But even in those moments, when you have the more talented team, you should still be able to win the football game even if you are not at your best. To let an inferior team beat you with the season on the line is just inexcusable. You can tell me all day long that Samford has the league's best coaching staff, but that game right there tells me they don't.
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[QUOTE=PaladinFan;2462158]To put it simply, if Samford wants to be taken seriously on a national scale, you do not lose to ETSU.
But, I agree with you, Samford is developing a reputation as a paper tiger that makes a lot of noise in the preseason, but does not back it up when it matters. Wofford is the opposite. Rarely a lot of noise, but just keeps winning.[/QUOTE/]
HEHEHE!!! Give everyone a break on the ETSU loss. xlolx It was a fluke. Furman lost to Upstart Mercer in 2015. xoopsxCitadel lost to unranked Old dominion in 2013.xchinscratchx
Upsets Happen. The paper tiger Beat Furman the past few years xbangx and the Citadel is break even with Samford the past few.
Wofford is the opposite? Wofford is 1-4 the past five years versus Samford. xcrazyxBe reasonable man. xnonox
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To put it simply, if Samford wants to be taken seriously on a national scale, you do not lose to ETSU.
But, I agree with you, Samford is developing a reputation as a paper tiger that makes a lot of noise in the preseason, but does not back it up when it matters. Wofford is the opposite. Rarely a lot of noise, but just keeps winning.[/QUOTE/]
HEHEHE!!! Give everyone a break on the ETSU loss. xlolx It was a fluke. Furman lost to Upstart Mercer in 2015. xoopsxCitadel lost to unranked Old dominion in 2013.xchinscratchx
Upsets Happen. The paper tiger Beat Furman the past few years xbangx and the Citadel is break even with Samford the past few.
Wofford is the opposite? Wofford is 1-4 the past five years versus Samford. xcrazyxBe reasonable man. xnonox
Old Dominion played the 2013 season with FBS level scholarships and finished 8-4. The Citadel has won 3 out of the last 4 and two in a row over samford.
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youcanbankit
Old Dominion played the 2013 season with FBS level scholarships and finished 8-4. The Citadel has won 3 out of the last 4 and two in a row over samford.
Old Dominion was the better team? I didnt think so. I thought it was an upset. Samford is 3 and 3 with the Citadel since 2011.
the citadel is sustaining more hard hits in the offseason. Two-time first-team All-America cornerback Dee Delaney's announcement Tuesday that he will leave after the spring semester for a graduate transfer season at Miami (Fla.) is especially damaging for The Citadel's 2017 outlook. Previously, second-team All-America offensive lineman Isaiah Pinson announced he will surrender his final season of eligibility to pursue a pro career, and slotback Reggie Williams and defensive linemen Kevin Graham and Travis Johnson departed the program
Whats going on with the exodus of so many of last years starters? How many now 4? 5? Plus the loss of last years seniors. Lots of opportunity ahead.
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1. Furman did not fancy itself a title contender nor did its fans think the team would go 9-2.
2. Upsets do happen. ETSU lost to Wofford 31-0. Lost to UTC 37-7. Lost to VMI 37-7. Lost to Furman 52-7. Lost to Citadel 45-10.
In other words, ETSU stunk. So, while upsets happen, if you expect this pack of hyenas to buy that Samford is going 9-2 with an army of behmoth linemen, then you'd better darn well beat the worst team in the conference, and do so with panache.
3. Wofford is chronically underestimated at the beginning of the season, and always outperforms predictions. They were picked 6th last year (behind Samford) AND lost their starting quarterback before the season started. I would wager that if you ask anyone that follows SoCon football who they would put their money on in the post season - Mike Ayers or Chris Hatcher - to a man you would get the same answer.
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Old Dominion was the better team? I didnt think so. I thought it was an upset. Samford is 3 and 3 with the Citadel since 2011.
the citadel is sustaining more hard hits in the offseason. Two-time first-team All-America cornerback Dee Delaney's announcement Tuesday that he will leave after the spring semester for a graduate transfer season at Miami (Fla.) is especially damaging for The Citadel's 2017 outlook. Previously, second-team All-America offensive lineman Isaiah Pinson announced he will surrender his final season of eligibility to pursue a pro career, and slotback Reggie Williams and defensive linemen Kevin Graham and Travis Johnson departed the program
Whats going on with the exodus of so many of last years starters? How many now 4? 5? Plus the loss of last years seniors. Lots of opportunity ahead.
Don't deflect. We're talking about your team full of superstars and your Tom Landry clone of a coach.
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Old Dominion was the better team? I didnt think so. I thought it was an upset. Samford is 3 and 3 with the Citadel since 2011.
Not I really want to get into a discussion about the 2013 season, but to set the record straight....
OD played 5 FBS teams that year They went 1-4 with a couple close ones against ECU and Pitt. The win was against Idaho (not that impressive but a W). A couple blow out losses to FBS as well. We went 5-7. They were a pretty good FCS team that year and we were just mediocre. Massey had us ranked 188 in Div I. ODU was ranked 129. No, it was not an upset win at home 59-58 for them. But it was a shootout. Something that you do not expect from a TO team. They had some serious rush defense issues as we had a bunch of scoring drives under 2 minutes.
As far as Samford goes, we seem to do pretty well against them all things considered. Most of the last 6 games have been fairly close except for each having a dominating victory. But the other 4 games were decided by total of 13 points.
To get back to Samford's issues, it is really was a schizoid team this past year. How it preserved its W against Cent Ark is still a mystery. Giving up 29 points in the 4th is never good, but a W is a W. When it took everything Miss St had to beat them, I was not liking our chances very much. When it gave a 10 point lead against us with 6 minutes to play I was dumbstruck. And then the ETSU fiasco. I kept scratching my head all year regarding Samford.
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Don't deflect. We're talking about your team full of superstars and your Tom Landry clone of a coach.
Not deflecting. 5 projected starters leaving. Something is happening. Whats up?
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1. Furman did not fancy itself a title contender nor did its fans think the team would go 9-2.
2. Upsets do happen. ETSU lost to Wofford 31-0. Lost to UTC 37-7. Lost to VMI 37-7. Lost to Furman 52-7. Lost to Citadel 45-10.
In other words, ETSU stunk. So, while upsets happen, if you expect this pack of hyenas to buy that Samford is going 9-2 with an army of behmoth linemen, then you'd better darn well beat the worst team in the conference, and do so with panache.
3. Wofford is chronically underestimated at the beginning of the season, and always outperforms predictions. They were picked 6th last year (behind Samford) AND lost their starting quarterback before the season started. I would wager that if you ask anyone that follows SoCon football who they would put their money on in the post season - Mike Ayers or Chris Hatcher - to a man you would get the same answer.
Mike Ayers is a good coach, but he has a tendency to have a really good year, a mediocre year, then a bad year. Then ground hog day all over again. If you ask anyone who has watched the past 5 years he is 1-4 against Samford. They will pick Samford. As far as ETSU, it happens. Its better to have an upset and still go to the playoffs anyway, than to sit at home year after year bashing the other teams that are winning. We will take the loss and be glad we learned from it. ETSU wont be a loss this year. When they beat Furman this year, prepare your self to have a vocabulary sandwich of your own words. Its funny how things work out that way sometimes. You to Cit dog! LOL
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Not I really want to get into a discussion about the 2013 season, but to set the record straight....
OD played 5 FBS teams that year They went 1-4 with a couple close ones against ECU and Pitt. The win was against Idaho (not that impressive but a W). A couple blow out losses to FBS as well. We went 5-7. They were a pretty good FCS team that year and we were just mediocre. Massey had us ranked 188 in Div I. ODU was ranked 129. No, it was not an upset win at home 59-58 for them. But it was a shootout. Something that you do not expect from a TO team. They had some serious rush defense issues as we had a bunch of scoring drives under 2 minutes.
As far as Samford goes, we seem to do pretty well against them all things considered. Most of the last 6 games have been fairly close except for each having a dominating victory. But the other 4 games were decided by total of 13 points.
To get back to Samford's issues, it is really was a schizoid team this past year. How it preserved its W against Cent Ark is still a mystery. Giving up 29 points in the 4th is never good, but a W is a W. When it took everything Miss St had to beat them, I was not liking our chances very much. When it gave a 10 point lead against us with 6 minutes to play I was dumbstruck. And then the ETSU fiasco. I kept scratching my head all year regarding Samford.
You nailed it. Very Inconsistent. No run game was also obvious.
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prepare your self to have a vocabulary sandwich of your own words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdghRwWfaOQ
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Mike Ayers is a good coach, but he has a tendency to have a really good year, a mediocre year, then a bad year. Then ground hog day all over again. If you ask anyone who has watched the past 5 years he is 1-4 against Samford. They will pick Samford. As far as ETSU, it happens. Its better to have an upset and still go to the playoffs anyway, than to sit at home year after year bashing the other teams that are winning. We will take the loss and be glad we learned from it. ETSU wont be a loss this year. When they beat Furman this year, prepare your self to have a vocabulary sandwich of your own words. Its funny how things work out that way sometimes. You to Cit dog! LOL
You are the one deflecting and missing the point of the exercise. I have said nothing of Furman. If I had made the representation that Furman would run through the SoCon and win 9 games all behind the strength of an NFL calibre offensive line, I would hope that those on this board would do their jobs and tell me I'm out of place.
This has nothing to do with Mike Ayer's record against Samford. Chris Hatcher has a career record of 58-55 at the D1 level. You say he's the best coach in the league. He's a .500 coach.