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Of course I thought you would, and those 3 FBS wins when comparing the top 10 current FCS programs are only slightly less relevant than NDSU's 4 which are fairly irrelevant unless you measure FCS success by that metric.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
I wouldn't trade our recent and past playoff success and small fan base for a short history with some nice but mostly irrelevant fbs wins and 10,000 more fans at home games. But that's just me. xcoolx
BTW hen, I wonder how NDSU would have faired against a 12-1 Nevada, #10 ranked Cal, #12 ranked Texas Tech, 5-7 Colorado, 11-2 BYU, 10-4 OSU, and 11-2 West Virginia since 2006?
We really don't care. We know you're scared of NDSU, so just quit the schpiel.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalm
xnodxOnly when lacking cowbell or Fette.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBisonator
Maybe we're defining "current" differently and it appears that I am using a longer timeframe. Still, UMass was in the NC not all that long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
My bad... my sarcasm detector wasn't up to full speed this morning. Still working on this early morning consciousness thing. It's been awhile. xthumbsupxQuote:
Originally Posted by ursus arctos horribilis
NDSU wouldn't have lost to Colorado. I mean, they know how to hold onto 7 point leads in the 4th quarter against superior teams. AM I RIGHT!?Quote:
Originally Posted by kalm
I know you're talking about playoffs. W&M is 4-3 in the playoffs since 2004. 8-0 against UNH in the last 10 years. 6 of these wins were against highly ranked UNH teams to include a 42-10 win when UNH was #1. Percentage is in W&M's favor but appearances is clearly in UNH's favor. The head-to-head is no contest. I'd rather have UNH's consistency...13 recent playoff appearances is laudable.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
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Originally Posted by TheBisonator
And 4-4 in the last ten years as I stated. I don't have UNH or W&M in my current top 10. I'd have to go back to see why I was even comparing the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribal
Edit... now I see. A Spider said that UNH hadn't had the playoff success W&M did. You could say that W&M has had more because they've gotten to the semis twice, but they haven't been as many times or have as many wins. Toss up IMO.
Yeah, everyone is probably drawing the line in different places, but I'm going on a 5-10 yearish timeframe. UMass doesn't have anywhere near the support of Montana, AppSt or Delaware and doesn't have as many trips deep into the playoffs. They certainly could be in a top 10, but really aren't even close to being a MUST in the top 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by LUHawker
Great read, interesting thread that started in 2011, before NDSU began their run and EWU was fresh off their championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apphole
Interesting list looking back 10 years. Where are we now? 1&2 are obvious but Id be interested to see a new list.
I've enjoyed going down memory lane in what was a mostly respectful discussion.
Off the top of my head....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearkat04
EWU
JMU
JSU
Montana
Montana State
NDSU
Sam Houston
SDSU
UNI
Weber
I hope this isn't in any order...Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
If you want to base it off of OL FU's "best of the playoffs" scoring structure these are the all-time top 10 (for teams currently in the FCS).
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f473da0d_w.jpg
These numbers haven't been updated yet with this spring's playoff numbers (I'll do that once the playoffs are over).
EKU lulQuote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
That's a decent list.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
Absurd that a team with fewer total wins, more total losses, a FAR lower win percentage, and fewer championships is considered to be more successful than NDSU. Literally the only stat they have in their favor is total appearances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
It is in an order...alphabetical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daytripper
Give him a break with the alphabet. He did go to SHSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by ST_Lawson
Is this enough to get Weber on the current Top 10 list? Nice run of qualifying the past 5 years, but Im not sure that it is enough...I might be letting that curb-stomping I saw Chatt deliver to them in 2016 be affecting my opinion too heavily.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
Division I-AA/FCS Playoffs
The Weber State Wildcats have appeared in the I-AA/FCS playoffs nine times, with an overall record of 79.
Year Round Opponent Result 1987 First Round
Quarterfinals@ Idaho
@ MarshallW 5930
L23511991 First Round @ Northern Iowa L2138 2008 First Round
Quarterfinals@ Cal Poly
@ MontanaW 4935
L13242009 First Round @ William & Mary L2538 2016 First Round @ Chattanooga L1445 2017 First Round
Second Round
QuarterfinalsWestern Illinois
@ Southern Utah
@ James MadisonW 2119
W 3013
L28312018 Second Round
QuarterfinalsSE Missouri State
MaineW 4823
L18232019 Second Round
Quarterfinals
SemifinalsKennesaw State
Montana
@ James MadisonW 2620
W 1710
L14302020* First Round Southern Illinois L 31-34
Who would you replace them with for the current top 10?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUBeAR
It's not beyond criticism but I think it's a pretty fair gauge overall using an escalating point system based on how deep you get into the playoffs. A first round loss is worth 5 points up to a championship being worth 100 points (which would require a first round win in a 24 team format as well so NDSU and JMU have only gotten 95 points for championships in recent years - this year's winner will only get 95 as well). Montana has played 20 more playoff games than NDSU has so that's where they get their advantage even though from a "points per game" NDSU is much higher due to more titles and deeper runs in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreThePride
W&M beat Weber 38-0 in the 2009 playoffsQuote:
Originally Posted by FUBeAR
Id let The Professor run his Prediculation Machine & cogitate up that answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Dobie
Weber has a ways to go. They're tied at #28 (with Jacksonville St interestingly enough) amongst current FCS programs with 175 points. The teams on the cusp of the top 10 are McNeese (360), Richmond (350), UNH (345), and Villanova (325) but the top 10 are going to separate themselves pretty well after Sam Houston's points from this year are added in since they'll have at least a 100 point lead on McNeese after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUBeAR
My Top 10 programs as of today (in order)
NDSU
JMU
Sam Houston State
South Dakota State
Villanova
Eastern Washington
Northern Iowa
Montana
Jacksonville State
New Hampshire
How's that JSU degree working out for you? Did it properly prepare you to work a deep fryer AND a cash register?Quote:
Originally Posted by JSUSoutherner
I mean I'm currently on a team engineering a $400m site for a customer who's listed on the S&P500.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daytripper
So not too shabby.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/RN7GAD/ste...979-RN7GAD.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by JSUSoutherner
Sam is a recent playoff contender on a regular basis. The Bearkats didn't make it to the playoffs much under Ron Randleman, and didn't make it under Todd Whitten. However, Sam Houston is located in a recruiting hotbed, with the school being located in the Greater Houston area, and the Houston area produces plenty of talent, especially state powerhouses like Katy and Galena Park North Shore. The SHSU campus is about 70 miles due north of downtown Houston. Sam is also making some recruiting inroads into the DFW Metroplex.
JerkQuote:
Originally Posted by FUBeAR
I think some of you "newer" guys (you're all new to me) need to go back and read the premise of these rankings. This is not all-time and it's not just playoff records. Everyone can make up their own rules for how you grade a program and how far back you want to go. Delaware would be a no-brainer if you go back further, but they are not on my list because they have been down for several years.
And yes, my quick list was alpha (obviously) and Weber was not only the last team in order, but the last team to make the list. I was struggling to put find a 10th that was worthy.
Look at that poor UTC grad.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUBeAR
Look at the ol' 89Hen showing his beak around the place. Good to see you my man!
He is one of the bricks that this place was built on so you SOB's better show some respect!
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Had fun digesting these numbers, and my hats off to the old guard listed here for their consistent appearances. One thing to notice is the number of appearances and winning percentage and how it correlates. Prime example is between Northern Iowa and Eastern Kentucky....same number of appears but even with two titles Eastern is out ranked by Northern due to the fact Northern has won more games to advance. I hope some of these old guard teams re-gain their moxie soon and re-appear in the play-off scene. We "relatively new upstarts" would love to see their resurgence to relevance to broaden the play-off scene and keep putting positive light on the FCS level of play. Actually playing for a play-off title has more meaning than a new writers ranking and a bowl game appearance. Pride of achievement! Reward for the hard work! Playing for something meaningful has relevance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Aren't you missing a Gunsmoke rerun or something, old man? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ursus arctos horribilis
No Festus, I am not.Quote:
Originally Posted by JSUSoutherner