1) ASU
2) UM
3) UD
4) UNI
5) UNH
6) JMU
7) SIU
8) EWU
9) GSU
10) UR
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1) ASU
2) UM
3) UD
4) UNI
5) UNH
6) JMU
7) SIU
8) EWU
9) GSU
10) UR
This theory has one gaping hole in that there are several other fans here who have also excluded Richmond from their lists...not just JMU fans. Unless everyone hates the Tics...so you might indeed have a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHouseClosedEnd
App hole wasn't referring to other polls. Just jmu999's. Thanks for trying though.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoDukes86
I'm going to start a Top 10 thread to end all Top 10 threads...
Well then, you've got nothing to worry about. Thanks for thinking about us all the time though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHouseClosedEnd
If you say so. JMU has the better stadium going in, but that's the only place you have UD beat. Hens have been to the NC game three times in the last 10, Dukes once. UD has averaged 20,000 fans for quite a few years running. JMU hasn't had the capacity to do that, but until you do, Hens are still in front of you in numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoDukes86
Not necessarily. One year does not make a program. If you want snapshots, then EWU is #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzaholic
THey have been good the past few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
2-4 in the playoffs in last 10+ years before last year. There are quite a few programs that can boast better. Throw in mediocre attendance figures and a one sided stadium with a track... having them in the honorable mention category seems at least reasonable to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzaholic
But..but Their field is red....RED!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
EWU is #1 in field recognition. Everyone else is tied for second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzaholic
Proceed with your defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoDukes86
But not that much worse than UNH, Wofford, or Richmond who made a number of lists that EWU didn't, two of which have never won a NC and have half as many playoff wins, and one of which has never made it past the quarters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBisonator
And having NDSU on the list ahead of us is equally as strange. To each their own.
But you don't get to throw out last year, do ya? We might be a bubble team if you rate stadium/attendance of on field performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
You are a bubble team because of stadium/attendance. I said it earlier, if we went only on performance last year, you're #1. But that's not what the question was.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalm
BTW, this is all opinion anyway. I have no problem with somebody putting EWU in the Top 10, but at the same time I do have a problem with somebody who thinks they MUST be in the Top 10. There are only a couple of universal teams that really MUST be there to be credible IMO... AppSt, Montana and UD.
I can take this one. No problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by State Line Liquors
Dude, they won a National Championship in 2004 and have won a total of 2 playoff games in the 6 subsequent seasons. xscanx
If that doesn't qualify a team to be Top 2 or 3 on this list, what does?
Capiche?
Agreed, but putting Wofford, UNH, and NDSU ahead is an odd opinion and if you don't do that you start running out of teams pretty quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
Of those three, I only have NDSU on my list. That has mostly to do with attendance, wins over Kansas, Minnesota and Ball St, and in case you didn't hear, they kinda got jobbed in their semifinal game last year. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kalm
It all has to do with your definition of program. Which is more important attendance, proformance, conference affiliation, playoff participant, jealousy, facilities or do I just like or dislike them.
1) App. St.
2) Griz
3) Hens
4) G. Southern
5) UNI
6) JMU
7) Villanova
8) Salukis
9) Spiders
10)UNH
On the brink: EWU, Wofford, Mont. St., NDSU
Well when looking at top "programs", I think you need to look at schools that consistently have a chance to win a national title. So this obviously includes prestige, coaching, stadium, facilities, conference, recent success, academic support, fan support, campus, location. The interesting thing is that the last 3 national champions all are somewhat deficient in certain of these areas, so it is harder to say that the best programs are just the schools with the best facilities / fan support and what not. But if I had to make a list of the top 10 CURRENT FCS programs I guess it would look like this:
ASU
Montana
Delaware
UNI
JMU
Richmond
Villanova
Georgia Southern
W&M
EWU
UNH and SUI are definitely right up there, but have not had quite the playoff success. NDSU could obviously quickly join this list if they can continue to have FCS success
QUARTERfinal xcoffeexQuote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
And no they didn't. Controversial call could've gone either way, but it would've only allowed them to tie. Their defense *****ed them over.
FWIW, W&M is 4-4 in the playoffs in the last ten years, UNH is 6-7Quote:
Originally Posted by bostonspider
I don't think you are getting what 89 and I have been doing lately Sceam. It's what's known as a "heel turn" in wrestling. Join the group and poke fun from the inside for a while by agreeing with those NDSU folks like JBB. It's a richer laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Screamin_Eagle174
I can't believe that I am agreeing with a Hen fan :)), but hey we recently did have a blue moon. These three are definitely must haves for the list and I would probably add Georgia Southern, UMass and McNeese. Oh, and of course, Lehigh ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
You took it too far. It's easy to make a case against McNeese given their horrible playoff record in the last 7-8 years. They've been getting crushed in the first round worse than MEAC teams. GSU would be a lock for historic programs, but before last year's trip to the semis, they've had a tough go of it (21-23 previous four years and hadn't won a playoff game since 2002). UMass is in the middle of a pretty ugly spell too.Quote:
Originally Posted by LUHawker
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Originally Posted by BigHouseClosedEnd
This.
Hey Moliva, lighten up a little. You seem to have a lot of anger towards everything JMU. I understand we're rivals and everything, but it's nothing to be angry about all the time. Trust me, there's a lot of other things worth more important.
Tell ya what, when the Spiders visit Bridgeforth on Oct. 1, stop by my tailgate, I'll buy you a beer and you can release your message board anger towards the Dukes a little.
W&M's four wins came on two semi-final runs, losing close games to the eventual champ each time. UNH never made it past the quarters. Quality vs. quantity I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
FWIW, W&M is 8-0 against UNH the last ten years.
So then you're behind: UD, JMU, UMass, Villanova, Richmond, EWU, Montana, AppSt, UNI and Colgate who have all been deeper. Still not in top 10. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tribefan40
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Originally Posted by 89Hen
I don't think I was making an argument for being top 10, just pointing out that numbers can be deceiving. I would say that W&M is comfortably in the top 15, too many off seasons in there to justify top ten, IMO.
Just to keep it rolling, does one deep run (championship or no) justify a top ten?
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by tribefan40
Yes, we're rivals. I do know plenty of JMU fans and grads that I'm friendly with.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoDukes86
I just don't understand the (mis)perception of the JMU program by JMU fans and fans of other teams on message boards. Can anyone explain to me why JMU is considered among the Top 3 or 4 FCS Programs, besides the fact that they are working on a $62M stadium expansion?
xconfusedx
Based on actual accomplishments, JMU would barely belong in the Top 10 of this list.
Is Tennessee considered one of the best programs in BCS just because Neyland Stadium seats 110,000?
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHouseClosedEnd
Please explain to me why anyone would believe anything that's said on football message board...anything! Especially this one, it's sole existence is nothing more than a place for fans to say anything to rile-up an opponent! I just assume that everything that's said here is tongue-in-cheek...it keeps everything in perspective and even makes me chuckle a great deal. Besides, there's a handful of posters who didn't have UR on their lists...in the end, who cares!
My invite for a beer is still open...stop by, we're a lot of fun!
NDSU? Lol, no chance. What have they done in FCS?Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
Um excuse me, but NDSU got robbed in the Bill Fette bowl. That's what they've done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red & Black
I guess you only read partial posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red & Black
xflaggedxQuote:
Originally Posted by GoDukes86
Are you going to elaborate on the easy JMU over UD point, or are you just going to keep handing out tickets to the beer summit in the White House vegetable garden?
So in your book you rate attendance, 4 mostly irrelevant FBS wins, one trip, and two wins in the FCS playoffs ahead of eight trips, 10 wins, three FBS wins, three quarters, two semi's, and one NC. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by 89Hen
Hey, don't worry there Joe Biden, you're invited too!Quote:
Originally Posted by State Line Liquors
Eight trips? How far back do you want to go?Quote:
Originally Posted by kalm
Eastern Kentucky = 19 trips, 15 wins, 2 quarters, 3 semis, 2 finals and 2 NC's
BTW, Idaho in 2003 and 1997, UConn in 2001 (a year after they moved up)... did you think I wouldn't look that up?