D1 Schools are seriously considering reclassifying out of D1 | Matt Brown

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Originally Posted by WestCoastAggie

The UMaine System just lost $100 million due to that back and forth the Governor had with the President.

Although this is politics, the ramifications will affect quite a few universities. A&T, for example, lost millions in research dollars, pending court appeals. As a result, from what I've learned since starting this thead, some schools will need to make some drastic cost-cutting measures which could include dropping down to D2 or D3 in this era.

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Play with fire and you will get burned.

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Originally Posted by ElCid

Huh? And how much federal funding do you believe The Citadel gets? It's a state school. And tuition has gotten ridiculous over the last couple decades. And while it is a Senior Military College, its operations are not necessarily dependent on federal programs. I love for the feds to write big checks to subsidize its operations.

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Close to $40 million, per annum...not inclusive of federal scholarship aid which, without question, is Federal Aid to The Citadel. The good news is that, much like Albany, most of the money is for cybersecurity and homeland security "research". Not on the chopping block right now. The $40 million translates to around 22% of The Citadel's total appropriated budget, per annum.

People getting all excited for the DOE getting blown up completely (and it definitely, without question, needed to be revamped to get rid of some absolutely poor spending), do not realize that Congressional appropriation for university funding is generally funneled through the DOE as the distribution body, along with NIH. The DOGE hits to NIH are having similar impacts to Universities.

I will post later about the realities of the "threats" of ending funding...it is being misconstrued by Matt and others.

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Originally Posted by KnightoftheRedFlash

Play with fire and you will get burned.

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Incorrect. The political part i could care less about, nor will i comment on. However, the President does not have the power to do what he is threatening to UMAINE. Columbia is a completely different story, there are legs there.

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Originally Posted by kdinva

Same in Lex Vegas. a year of school at VMI is 6x what it was in 1976. {of course ElCid and I didn't have to worry about a wardrobe budget}

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Yeah, but about 1/5 of my freshman year cost was uniforms. Eek. And maybe costs were higher for VMI back then or your quote was for in state, but the cost of The Citadel for out of state is currently 11 times what it cost me in 81. Double eek!

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Originally Posted by Dane96

Close to $40 million, per annum...not inclusive of federal scholarship aid which, without question, is Federal Aid to The Citadel. The good news is that, much like Albany, most of the money is for cybersecurity and homeland security "research". Not on the chopping block right now. The $40 million translates to around 22% of The Citadel's total appropriated budget, per annum.

People getting all excited for the DOE getting blown up completely (and it definitely, without question, needed to be revamped to get rid of some absolutely poor spending), do not realize that Congressional appropriation for university funding is generally funneled through the DOE as the distribution body, along with NIH. The DOGE hits to NIH are having similar impacts to Universities.

I will post later about the realities of the "threats" of ending funding...it is being misconstrued by Matt and others.

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Scholarships are not aid or subsidies. You can get ROTC scholarships at any school. I had to compete against student not only at The Citadel but against students all over. If the military want to have access to qualified officers, it uses scholarships as a tool for recruitment. I'll give you tuition aid is another thing entirely. We didn't have a lot of that when I went. If it is that much, it's too much. Costs need to be curtailed.

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Originally Posted by ElCid

Scholarships are not aid or subsidies. You can get ROTC scholarships at any school. I had to compete against student not only at The Citadel but against students all over. If the military want to have access to qualified officers, it uses scholarships as a tool for recruitment. I'll give you tuition aid is another thing entirely. We didn't have a lot of that when I went. If it is that much, it's too much. Costs need to be curtailed.

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We are both correct. I am not talking about ROTC> I am talking about direct, federally funded student aid $. A school can lose that money if Congress so deems. That money is specifically earmarked as a scholarship. That said, it accounts to less than $2 million per annum.

You guys also appear to be very confident none of those DoD and Homeland Security programs are on the chopping block. Personally, I am not that sure at all. Are they spared, for sure, 100%? I know for cybersecurity in particular Hesgeth is making terrible cuts in that area.

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Originally Posted by WestCoastAggie

The UMaine System just lost $100 million due to that back and forth the Governor had with the President.

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And a day later, it's been restored.

https://www.wmtw.com/article/after-p...tored/64168003

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Originally Posted by Lehigh Football Nation

You would think that the Ivy/PL are not a part of this cohort, but having lived through the Lafayette-to-DIII rumors in the past, I wish I could say it's zero chance. I think there is definitely a chance.

You would think the enormous Ivy endowments (and most PL endowments aren't terribly far behind) would insulate them more from these shenanigans, but I'm trying to find out more. My impression is the schools with huge hospital networks are the most at risk (think Penn Medical center, state schools like Maine where the University is the top Healthcare provider in the state, etc.). However Lehigh has a College of Health that seems like it could be affected, etc. Georgetown and Villanova have large medical presences, etc.

I also wonder about Colleges vs. Universities. On the surface it looks like colleges wouldn't be affected as badly - after all, Lafayette doesn't have a graduate medical research center with NIH funding - and rich colleges in particular seem like they would be in the best situation of all. But I need to look into it more.

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The University of Maine is the top healthcare provider in the state??? That’s news to me….they don’t even have a medical school. Don’t be looking for UMaine to be “dropping down”. $200+ million in privately funded athletic facilities investments….might want to worry about other schools that don’t have big fish donors.

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Originally Posted by mainejeff

The University of Maine is the top healthcare provider in the state??? That’s news to me….they don’t even have a medical school. Don’t be looking for UMaine to be “dropping down”. $200+ million in privately funded athletic facilities investments….might want to worry about other schools that don’t have big fish donors.

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Looking again the Maine hospital complex in Portland is run by Tufts, Dartmouth and some other schools, my bad. I did see though that the threat of pulling NIH funding would have not only wrecked that, but NIH funding that would have affected a bunch of schools including UMaine (University of New England, Southern Maine). My impression from the Matt Brown scoop was that UMaine was much more affected. It's also on two fronts, the NIH and the USDA.

As it turns out Trump once again needlessly caused chaos and backed off from the preventable crisis that he alone created. But who knows what invented crisis he'll cone up with next that could wreck government funding for your school.