Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
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Originally Posted by
MSUDuo
Well, we had $3 tickets against UNI so there was no worry of going lower.
I'm afraid $20 is going to be steep for the casual fan in Springfield
Was that $3 face value though? I don't think promotions count. SDSU was giving away 4 tickets for free to the UND game last Saturday to anyone that had bought tickets for previous games but I don't think the NCAA would let them do that in the playoffs. :)
Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
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Originally Posted by
Professor Chaos
I believe there is an NCAA rule that schools cannot charge lower for the playoffs than they do for their cheapest regular season game since the NCAA gets 75% of the net gate receipts for playoff games. I believe it's for this reason that NDSU still has one regular season home game each year where tickets prices are ~$30 for endzone and ~$40 for sidelines when all the rest of the games are at least $10 per ticket more than that now.
It's amazing the NCAA gets away with the current bidding/hosting process for the playoffs. Never really paid attention before, but I can see how it would be easy for the process to really screw over schools that actually want to host.
Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
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Originally Posted by
MSUWineGuy
It's amazing the NCAA gets away with the current bidding/hosting process for the playoffs. Never really paid attention before, but I can see how it would be easy for the process to really screw over schools that actually want to host.
I'm confused by what you mean about screwing over a school that actually wants to host? If a school wants to host, they only have to put in a big bid. The schools that get screwed are the ones that should be the home team if the entire field was seeded, but have to travel because they were paired with a team that draws well. Montana State, for example, could be one of the last teams to make the playoff but they would then HOST a better team, because few teams in FCS can outdraw/outbid them.
Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
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Originally Posted by
MSUBobcat
I'm confused by what you mean about screwing over a school that actually wants to host? If a school wants to host, they only have to put in a big bid. The schools that get screwed are the ones that should be the home team if the entire field was seeded, but have to travel because they were paired with a team that draws well. Montana State, for example, could be one of the last teams to make the playoff but they would then HOST a better team, because few teams in FCS can outdraw/outbid them.
Not sure what's confusing. NCAA doesn't need that ticket revenue and 75% is a huge chunk of any profits. The whole system is weird, the better team should always get to host and the bidding system is archaic.
Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
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Originally Posted by
MSUWineGuy
Not sure what's confusing. NCAA doesn't need that ticket revenue and 75% is a huge chunk of any profits. The whole system is weird, the better team should always get to host and the bidding system is archaic.
Yeah, it's not ideal but it controls costs and the FCS playoffs lose the NCAA money as is most years I believe. The NCAA doesn't take 75% of the ticket revenue straight up though, they either take the bid amount or 75% of the net (revenue minus the host school's expenses) so unless schools are overbidding they should still make some money hosting playoff games.
Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
Missouri St opens as 16.5 point favorites on 5dimes. O/U of 59.5.
Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
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Originally Posted by
MSUWineGuy
Not sure what's confusing. NCAA doesn't need that ticket revenue and 75% is a huge chunk of any profits. The whole system is weird, the better team should always get to host and the bidding system is archaic.
What was confusing was you said they could screw over a team that "actually want(s)" to host. What you meant was the system in place screws over a team that "earned the right" to host by play on the field. Two wholly different arguments and no one disagrees. We'd all love to seed the field and play as it falls out (with minor adjustment to avoid conference rematches, i.e. if 9 vs 24 is a conference rematch, swap in #23 instead).
As for the 75% ticket revenue... someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that even with the NCAA taking 75% of ticket revenue, they still lose money on the FCS playoffs as a whole most years. In 2019, total announced attendance (per box scores) was 28,787... for ALL 8 games. And over a quarter was from a single game (Nicholls vs. UND, 7,569). 28,787 x 75% x $20 ave. ticket price (MSUDuo mentioned that even $20 is too steep for a casual fan Springfield so I used that) is $431,805. I don't know what the net revenue for broadcasting the game is, but the ticket revenue doesn't go very far toward paying the travel costs of the 8 visiting teams.
Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
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Originally Posted by
Professor Chaos
Yeah, it's not ideal but it controls costs and the FCS playoffs lose the NCAA money as is most years I believe. The NCAA doesn't take 75% of the ticket revenue straight up though, they either take the bid amount or 75% of the net (revenue minus the host school's expenses) so unless schools are overbidding they should still make some money hosting playoff games.
Ohhh, okay, that makes more sense. I thought you had to pay 75% AND whatever you bid.
Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
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Originally Posted by
MSUBobcat
What was confusing was you said they could screw over a team that "actually want(s)" to host. What you meant was the system in place screws over a team that "earned the right" to host by play on the field. Two wholly different arguments and no one disagrees. We'd all love to seed the field and play as it falls out (with minor adjustment to avoid conference rematches, i.e. if 1 vs 24 is a conference rematch, swap in #23 instead).
As for the 75% ticket revenue... someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that even with the NCAA taking 75% of ticket revenue, they still lose money on the FCS playoffs as a whole most years. In 2019, total announced attendance (per box scores) was 28,787... for ALL 8 games. And over a quarter was from a single game (Nicholls vs. UND, 7,569). 28,787 x 75% x $20 ave. ticket price (MSUDuo mentioned that even $20 is too steep for a casual fan Springfield so I used that) is $431,805. I don't know what the net revenue for broadcasting the game is, but the ticket revenue doesn't go very far toward paying the travel costs of the 8 visiting teams.
The NCAA's cut is probably less than that because they take 75% of the net rather than the gross so the host schools take out their expenses before they divvy up the pie. The value of these games to the media partner (ESPN) is what really isn't known. The FCS playoffs go into the same TV contract as a boatload of other NCAA championships. I believe the latest contract was signed back in 2011 and was for 12 years and $500M (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...7BE2FM20111215). How much of that $40M+ annually can be attributed to the FCS playoffs? I don't know but I'd bet it's not insignificant since ESPN does give the FCS playoffs 5 spots on their national networks each year... it would be interesting to see what the deal would be if the NCAA ever bid out the TV contract for just the FCS playoffs.
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Originally Posted by
MSUWineGuy
Ohhh, okay, that makes more sense. I thought you had to pay 75% AND whatever you bid.
Nope, it's whatever the higher number is between those two amounts.
Re: 2021 Fall Playoffs Round 1: UT Martin @ Missouri State
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Originally Posted by
Professor Chaos
The NCAA's cut is probably less than that because they take 75% of the net rather than the gross so the host schools take out their expenses before they divvy up the pie. The value of these games to the media partner (ESPN) is what really isn't known. The FCS playoffs go into the same TV contract as a boatload of other NCAA championships. I believe the latest contract was signed back in 2011 and was for 12 years and $500M (
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...7BE2FM20111215). How much of that $40M+ annually can be attributed to the FCS playoffs? I don't know but I'd bet it's not insignificant since ESPN does give the FCS playoffs 5 spots on their national networks each year... it would be interesting to see what the deal would be if the NCAA ever bid out the TV contract for just the FCS playoffs.
Nope, it's whatever the higher number is between those two amounts.
Good catch. I forgot that it's net and not gross. Even without knowing the media revenue, it's highly likely the NCAA was well in the red after the first round of the 2019 playoffs.
