AGS Top 25 Week 10 Results

[AGSPoll]

AGS Top 25 For November 7, 2011

1 North Dakota State Bison 2290 83
2 Montana State Bobcats 2212 7
3 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2100 2
4 Northern Iowa Panthers 1931
5 Georgia Southern Eagles 1920
6 Wofford Terriers 1723
7 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1662
8 New Hampshire Wildcats 1625
9 Montana Grizzlies 1575
10 Towson Tigers 1468
11 Maine Black Bears 1359
12 Old Dominion Monarchs 1315
13 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1302
14 Furman Paladins 1000
15 Illinois State Redbirds 944
16 Liberty Flames 881
17 Harvard Crimson 740
18 Central Arkansas Bears 708
19 James Madison Dukes 542
20 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 519
21 Indiana State Sycamores 342
22 Norfolk State Spartans 318
23 Brown Bears 283
24 Portland State Vikings 250
25 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 171

Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins

Most Significant Loss: Appalachian State Mountaineers

26 Georgetown Hoyas 163
27 Alabama State Hornets 71
28 Chattanooga Mocs 68
29T Cal Poly Mustangs 57
29T South Dakota Coyotes 57
31 Youngstown State Penguins 52
32 Stony Brook Seawolves 37
33 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 35
34 Alabama A&M Bulldogs 28
35 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 23
36 Jackson State Tigers 22
37T Southern Utah Thunderbirds 20
37T Duquesne Dukes 20
39 William & Mary Tribe 14
40 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 13

[BisonBacker]

This looks better than the coaches poll thats for sure.

[MTfan4life]

New Hampshire - one FCS loss. Lehigh - one FCS loss. Head to Head goes to UNH. Also better conference schedule to UNH as well. Second thing to look at. Stony Brook has two FBS losses, Liberty has only one, and Stony Brook has not had the trouble with BS conference teams that Liberty has had. Both have 3 losses. Liberty 881 Stony Brook 37?

[WileECoyote06]

Poll looks pretty good. And MTFan4Life, I think Stony Brook is going to knock off Liberty in New York and get the Big South autobid. The good thing is they can prove it on the field.

[Mattymc727]

Shouldnt Towson be in front of UNH for now?

[appfan2008]

at the risk of getting beat up over this here is my top 25 for this week...
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Towson Tigers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Harvard Crimson
13: Brown Bears
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Liberty Flames
17: Furman Paladins
18: Appalachian State Mountaineers
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Norfolk State Spartans
21: Portland State Vikings
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: James Madison Dukes
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Chattanooga Mocs

[Doc QB]

New Hampshire - one FCS loss. Lehigh - one FCS loss. Head to Head goes to UNH. Also better conference schedule to UNH as well. Second thing to look at.

Love being in the top ten (and an obvious LU homer), but I have to agree with the above. Watched UNI-NDSU, Towson-Maine, UD, Maryland, few UNH games, too...would prob have UNH, Towson, Maine all above LU, given overall resume from tougher schedules. Maybe Montana, too, but have not seen them play (tv or otherwise).

However, I think it is probably clear that 5 thru ten or so may be relatively even talent-wise, and should make for some interesting playoff matchups.

[Squealofthepig]

17: Furman Paladins
18: Appalachian State Mountaineers


I think you're being a bit hard on your team there, but kudos for putting Furman ahead of App due to head-to-head. I still have App ahead of Furman, since App has the GSU win and App lost to Furman on the road.

[Pard4Life]

Lehigh is way too high... I have them at 13. And Furman not top ten?

[henfan]

What has Lehigh done to warrant a vote inside the Top 10-13? Zero wins against Top 10 competition on their resume and yet the AGS voters have them at #4.xeyebrowx

And Harvard, who's not played anyone in the Top 10 gets any consideration at #12? What's the means of comparative measure there?

[Twentysix]

What has Lehigh done to warrant a vote inside the Top 10-13? Zero wins against Top 10 competition on their resume and yet the AGS voters have them at #4.xeyebrowx

And Harvard, who's not played anyone in the Top 10 gets any consideration at #12? What's the means of comparative measure there?

AGS voters have lehigh at #7. UNI is #4.

[bjtheflamesfan]

And now for my weekly flogging:

1: Montana State Bobcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Wofford Terriers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Old Dominion Monarchs
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Towson Tigers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Liberty Flames
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Furman Paladins
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: James Madison Dukes
22: Brown Bears
23: Norfolk State Spartans
24: Portland State Vikings
25: Georgetown Hoyas

[Fear the Bird]

And now for my weekly flogging:

1: Montana State Bobcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Wofford Terriers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Old Dominion Monarchs
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Towson Tigers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Liberty Flames
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Furman Paladins
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: James Madison Dukes
22: Brown Bears
23: Norfolk State Spartans
24: Portland State Vikings
25: Georgetown Hoyas

Would swap Towson with ODU and slide Liberty about 10 spots but pretty solid poll

[bjtheflamesfan]

I must be losing my touch then because I should be getting trashed for my rankings like I was earlier in the year

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I must be losing my touch then because I should be getting trashed for my rankings like I was earlier in the year

As I mentioned last week, you are thinking things out a little more and honing your thought process on the teams you are touting due to the beating you've taken. Some of the scars are beginning to heal.

[superman7515]

I must be losing my touch then because I should be getting trashed for my rankings like I was earlier in the year

I know you're feeling down about this poll not getting trashed....

http://memecreator.net/the-most-interesting-man-in-the-world/showimage.php/1720/Have-You-Considered-The-Possibility-That-You-Might-Be-Extremely-Retarded%3F.jpg

Hope that helps.

[bjtheflamesfan]

thanks...lol

[WileECoyote06]

What has Lehigh done to warrant a vote inside the Top 10-13? Zero wins against Top 10 competition on their resume and yet the AGS voters have them at #4.xeyebrowx

And Harvard, who's not played anyone in the Top 10 gets any consideration at #12? What's the means of comparative measure there?

Let's be fair to Lehigh. Only UNH and NDSU have wins over current top ten teams. xlolx

All of the other top ten teams have a win over someone inside the top-25 at least.

[RichH2]

I must be losing my touch then because I should be getting trashed for my rankings like I was earlier in the year

Not really, my vote a bit different but on the whole not much to disagree with. Now this no alcohol thing..........

[bjtheflamesfan]

Why do I feel like you may have ripped off my ballot and made a few minor changes to make it look like yours Fan...

[WrenFGun]

New Hampshire - one FCS loss. Lehigh - one FCS loss. Head to Head goes to UNH. Also better conference schedule to UNH as well. Second thing to look at. Stony Brook has two FBS losses, Liberty has only one, and Stony Brook has not had the trouble with BS conference teams that Liberty has had. Both have 3 losses. Liberty 881 Stony Brook 37?

+1 on both. Why in god's name is Lehigh ahead of UNH?

Also, why is Liberty 16th and James Madison 19th? It's not like Liberty has been particularly impressive of late, and JMU owns the win over them.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Why do I feel like you may have ripped off my ballot and made a few minor changes to make it look like yours Fan...

You do realize that it is easy to check for us right bj? We have the actual votes as they came in...

Here is TheFan's:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Towson Tigers
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Furman Paladins
15: Liberty Flames
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: James Madison Dukes
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Brown Bears
23: Norfolk State Spartans
24: Portland State Vikings
25: Georgetown Hoyas

[bjtheflamesfan]

The big problem for JMU is theyve lost three of their last four after starting the year 4-1 while Liberty is 6-0 after starting the year 1-3.

[bjtheflamesfan]

You do realize that it is easy to check for us right bj? We have the actual votes as they came in...

Here is TheFan's:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Towson Tigers
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Furman Paladins
15: Liberty Flames
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: James Madison Dukes
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Brown Bears
23: Norfolk State Spartans
24: Portland State Vikings
25: Georgetown Hoyas

Thank you for clarifying UAH...I stand corrected

[Fear the Bird]

Not too far off myself, getting 24 of 25 teams

1. North Dakota St.
2. Montana St.
3. Sam Houston St.
4. Wofford
5. Georiga Southern
6. Northern Iowa
7. Towson
8. New Hampshire
9. Maine
10. Appalachian St.
11. Old Dominion
12. Lehigh
13. Montana
14. Central Arkansas
15. Illinois St.
16. Furman
17. Delaware
18. Harvard
19. Portland St.
20. James Madison
21. Liberty
22. Brown
23. Georgetown
24. Norfolk St.
25. Eastern Kentucky

In hindsight, maybe a little high on Delaware, but then again everybody keeps losing and who else can claim 2 top 13 wins? JMU certainly can't. Indiana St.? Stop

[WileECoyote06]

The big problem for JMU is theyve lost three of their last four after starting the year 4-1 while Liberty is 6-0 after starting the year 1-3.

And it's not like JMU dominated them. The game was won on a last second 40 yard field goal.

[WrenFGun]

Maybe because Lehigh did not lose to an UNRANKED William and Mary by two TD's a few weeks ago as did UNH?

Clearly more important than the fact that UNH beat Lehigh in the H2H competition (in Lehigh).

[PantherRob82]

12: Harvard Crimson
13: Brown Bears

18: Appalachian State Mountaineers


The Ivies this high just kills me. Harvard's best opponent was sub-.500 Holy Cross, and they lost. Brown lost to Harvard. Baffled.

App is too low.

[Walkon79]

Forgive me for pinching myself. This is rare air for this long-time cat fan! 1984 was a long time ago!!

[Twentysix]

Forgive me for pinching myself. This is rare air for this long-time cat fan! 1984 was a long time ago!!

Wasn't last year pretty much the same?

[unigriff]

You fail to once again see as most homers do, that...UNH beat Lehigh early and Lehigh hasn't lost since. Lehigh also wasnt ranked extremely high to start the season. UNH had moved their way up and lost a couple...that in itself is why Lehigh is ahead of UNH in the "polls". Altho UNH beat Lehigh, doesn't necessarily mean UNH is better than them. As far as I'm concerned that makes both Lehigh and UNH mediocre at best.
I would strongly consider the CAA in a down year if Maine and Towson and a new ODU are at the top of the standings..and two recently former national champions are the bottom dwellers in the league. Most could complain..well our coach took off to the FBS...com'n.

[Twentysix]

You fail to once again see as most homers do, that...UNH beat Lehigh early and Lehigh hasn't lost since. Lehigh also wasnt ranked extremely high to start the season. UNH had moved their way up and lost a couple...that in itself is why Lehigh is ahead of UNH in the "polls". Altho UNH beat Lehigh, doesn't necessarily mean UNH is better than them. As far as I'm concerned that makes both Lehigh and UNH mediocre at best.

Griff I still don't like you, but I do mostly agree with what you posted. Although I think lehigh is better than mediocre.

[Walkon79]

Wasn't last year pretty much the same?

Yeah: but a chance to win the conference outright is the difference. BTW, hope to see you sometime in the next two months. Paybacks are a b--ch!

[PantherRob82]

You fail to once again see as most homers do, that...UNH beat Lehigh early and Lehigh hasn't lost since. Lehigh also wasnt ranked extremely high to start the season. UNH had moved their way up and lost a couple...that in itself is why Lehigh is ahead of UNH in the "polls". Altho UNH beat Lehigh, doesn't necessarily mean UNH is better than them. As far as I'm concerned that makes both Lehigh and UNH mediocre at best.
I would strongly consider the CAA in a down year if Maine and Towson and a new ODU are at the top of the standings..and two recently former national champions are the bottom dwellers in the league. Most could complain..well our coach took off to the FBS...com'n.

How many CAA games have you watched this year?

Not sure why Maine being good is a surprise. Towson is. ODU is in a great position and is not that surprising.

Montana being down last year didn't mean the Big Sky was weak. EWU won the NC.

As usual, your logic does not add up.

[Fear the Bird]

I would consider putting a 7th ranked Lehigh at 12th, as you did in your poll, to be totally far off

Hence the reason I used the words "not too far" and didn't say wow I nailed this poll. As I have stated before Lehigh maxed out for me at 8. They are in a sense like Boise to me. I respect the hell out of the program but with that schedule you have no room for error - you better impress every second of every week. I admit I probably dropped them too far last week (from 8 to 10) but that was more a product of the cluster***** the CAA and SoCon had become and not knowing what to do with any of those teams. I had no problem dropping them from 10 to 12 this week.

[darell1976]

AGS Top 25 For November 7, 2011

1 North Dakota State Bison 2290 83
2 Montana State Bobcats 2212 7
3 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2100 2
4 Northern Iowa Panthers 1931
5 Georgia Southern Eagles 1920
6 Wofford Terriers 1723
7 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1662
8 New Hampshire Wildcats 1625
9 Montana Grizzlies 1575
10 Towson Tigers 1468
11 Maine Black Bears 1359
12 Old Dominion Monarchs 1315
13 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1302
14 Furman Paladins 1000
15 Illinois State Redbirds 944
16 Liberty Flames 881
17 Harvard Crimson 740
18 Central Arkansas Bears 708
19 James Madison Dukes 542
20 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 519
21 Indiana State Sycamores 342
22 Norfolk State Spartans 318
23 Brown Bears 283
24 Portland State Vikings 250
25 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 171

Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins

Most Significant Loss: Appalachian State Mountaineers

26 Georgetown Hoyas 163
27 Alabama State Hornets 71
28 Chattanooga Mocs 68
29T Cal Poly Mustangs 57
29T South Dakota Coyotes 57
31 Youngstown State Penguins 52
32 Stony Brook Seawolves 37
33 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 35
34 Alabama A&M Bulldogs 28
35 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 23
36 Jackson State Tigers 22
37T Southern Utah Thunderbirds 20
37T Duquesne Dukes 20
39 William & Mary Tribe 14
40 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 13

The only poll I agree with. Cal Poly over both Dakota teams they have beaten.

[Fear the Bird]

gee, am I missing something here?

since when is "not too far off" the same as "totally far off"?

Probably around the same time that 5 spots became totally

[Thundar]

AGS Top 25 For November 7, 2011

1 North Dakota State Bison 2290 83
2 Montana State Bobcats 2212 7
3 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2100 2
4 Northern Iowa Panthers 1931
5 Georgia Southern Eagles 1920
6 Wofford Terriers 1723
7 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1662
8 New Hampshire Wildcats 1625
9 Montana Grizzlies 1575
10 Towson Tigers 1468
11 Maine Black Bears 1359
12 Old Dominion Monarchs 1315
13 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1302
14 Furman Paladins 1000
15 Illinois State Redbirds 944
16 Liberty Flames 881
17 Harvard Crimson 740
18 Central Arkansas Bears 708
19 James Madison Dukes 542
20 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 519
21 Indiana State Sycamores 342
22 Norfolk State Spartans 318
23 Brown Bears 283
24 Portland State Vikings 250
25 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 171

Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins

Most Significant Loss: Appalachian State Mountaineers

26 Georgetown Hoyas 163
27 Alabama State Hornets 71
28 Chattanooga Mocs 68
29T Cal Poly Mustangs 57
29T South Dakota Coyotes 57
31 Youngstown State Penguins 52
32 Stony Brook Seawolves 37
33 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 35
34 Alabama A&M Bulldogs 28
35 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 23
36 Jackson State Tigers 22
37T Southern Utah Thunderbirds 20
37T Duquesne Dukes 20
39 William & Mary Tribe 14
40 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 13

Must be 23 UND posters on AGS!!!

[LEHIGH61]

Did you see the Lehigh-UNH game stupid?

[Hambone]

Must be 23 UND posters on AGS!!!

I believe there are only 3 of us that vote, and I definitely did not have them in mine. Do you think that there are 57 USD posters on AGS too?? :)

[darell1976]

I believe there are only 3 of us that vote, and I definitely did not have them in mine. Do you think that there are 57 USD posters on AGS too?? :)

They weren't in mine either. Actually I didn't vote for any GWFC teams.

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

You fail to once again see as most homers do, that...UNH beat Lehigh early and Lehigh hasn't lost since. Lehigh also wasnt ranked extremely high to start the season. UNH had moved their way up and lost a couple...that in itself is why Lehigh is ahead of UNH in the "polls". Altho UNH beat Lehigh, doesn't necessarily mean UNH is better than them. As far as I'm concerned that makes both Lehigh and UNH mediocre at best.
I would strongly consider the CAA in a down year if Maine and Towson and a new ODU are at the top of the standings..and two recently former national champions are the bottom dwellers in the league. Most could complain..well our coach took off to the FBS...com'n.


Ah Griff, UNH has only lost once since the Lehigh game. We lost at William & Mary to a team that absolutely owns us. Christ, the year we were 10-1, we lost to W&M. A year we were 9-2 we lost to W&M. UNH losing to W&M is kind of like a death and taxes thing! Hardly a barometer of my team's strength. And since the win at Lehigh, one where they had ample opportunity to tie the game up but threw an interception to the universally denounced sucky UNH defense (that's all I read on AGS, cs.com and the CAAZone), the Wildcats have won at a then ranked Richmond, beat the same Holy Cross team by the same TD margin as Lehigh did last week, beat Villanova by I believe the largest margin of any CAA team this year, beat then ranked UMass on a neutral field, beat a ranked JMU team by 18 and beat URI which has a couple of CAA wins. During the same time Lehigh has beat Liberty at home by a small margin and beat Holy Cross by a TD as mentioned. I don't see any of their other wins equaling what UNH has done. How I'd love to see Patriot teams have to play a full CAA schedule. I sincerely believe that Lehigh wouldn't have gone undefeated if they played the same schedule as UNH has since their game. Lehigh hasn't lost because their schedule hasn't been as formidable, but I guess just winning regardless of who you play means more to you. Do you favor Pioneer teams because they have 10-1 records too?

And if you think this is the same Maine team that came to Cedar Falls a couple of years ago, you're not paying attention. All their returning starters and a senior quarterback was missed by most in the FCS world. Did you see how well Towson played at Maryland? Did you see they won their other OOC games? They are for real.

I've seen every UNH game this year in person and I sure don't see a lot of down teams. I see a few that are missing an experienced, solid QB (W&M, UD, UMass, JMU) but their athleticism and defensive strength looks the same. Nova is down because they're playing so many kids, but they must be coming on if they beat UMass in Amherst. URI actually looked more talented than last year but just seems to make mistakes that cost them games. Richmond also looked as talented, but inconsistent. If the Spiders didn't have a 2nd Quarter funk, my Wildcats don't win that game. Just because Delaware, Richmond, Nova, W&M, UMass and JMU aren't at the top of the league doesn't mean the league is significantly down. xtwocentsx

UNH may not win their last two games. Will you give Maine and Towson some credit if that happens? And if this happens, it sure won't make Lehigh look like a top ten team now will it. And if it does happen, then Lehigh better win out and get the AQ because their close loss to UNH won't give then much of a boost toward an at large bid.

[No_Skill]

I believe there are only 3 of us that vote, and I definitely did not have them in mine. Do you think that there are 57 USD posters on AGS too?? :)

So...how are the votes weighted? 25 pts for a 1st place vote and 1 pt for a 25th place vote?

[Fear the Bird]

sorry, but Lehigh did not lose by two td's to an unranked W&M team very recently as did your team, UNH...in fact, Lehigh has not lost a game since the UNH loss that was fraudulently stolen from them by the crooked refs...

But what you never admit is even William & Mary in a down year would be sitting at 8-1 with Lehighs schedule and thats with me even giving them a loss to Liberty

[Mattymc727]

sorry, but Lehigh did not lose by two td's to an unranked W&M team very recently as did your team, UNH...in fact, Lehigh has not lost a game since the UNH loss that was fraudulently stolen from them by the crooked refs...

That W&M game was a month ago, not "very recently" as you put it. A lot can change since then, and a lot has.

[Hammersmith]

So...how are the votes weighted? 25 pts for a 1st place vote and 1 pt for a 25th place vote?
Yep. So it could've been 23 different pollsters with them at 25, one pollster putting them at 3, or anything in between. Most likely it was 5-10 voters each putting them between 20-25. The Bison probably got 83 first place votes, 8 second place votes, and 1 third place vote(Gil?). I think that's the only combination that works.

[HensRock]

What has Lehigh done to warrant a vote inside the Top 10-13? Zero wins against Top 10 competition on their resume and yet the AGS voters have them at #4.xeyebrowx

And Harvard, who's not played anyone in the Top 10 gets any consideration at #12? What's the means of comparative measure there?

Agree on both counts. Been pointing out Lehigh for weeks - now that they are right above UNH who beat them makes it even more obvious. And Harvard - who just gave up 21 points to Columbia - is not in my Top 25 at all.

Voters need to look beyond W-L record.

[Twentysix]

So...how are the votes weighted? 25 pts for a 1st place vote and 1 pt for a 25th place vote?

Yuh

[WileECoyote06]

But what you never admit is even William & Mary in a down year would be sitting at 8-1 with Lehighs schedule and thats with me even giving them a loss to Liberty

Too bad there is no way to prove this. So here we are. Is UNH better than Lehigh? They have a win on the field, so that counts for something. Has Lehigh performed better against their schedule so far this year? Yes, and they have a win against another Top-25 team; which puts them in a favorable light.

So yes your W- L record ought to count for something. Or else we'd be ranking Delaware in the top ten. After all they have two top twenty wins.

[Fear the Bird]

Too bad there is no way to prove this. So here we are. Is UNH better than Lehigh? They have a win on the field, so that counts for something. Has Lehigh performed better against their schedule so far this year? Yes, and they have a win against another Top-25 team; which puts them in a favorable light.

So yes your W- L record ought to count for something. Or else we'd be ranking Delaware in the top ten. After all they have two top twenty wins.

They have 2 top 13 wins

[SDFS]

The big problem for JMU is theyve lost three of their last four after starting the year 4-1 while Liberty is 6-0 after starting the year 1-3.

I just compared schedule and results between Liberty and UND using massey ratings.. they are very similar and I think UND is maybe a 30-40 ranked team pending Davis and USD games.

Liberty w ranking - 195, 213, 240, 315, 336, 359, 587 - avg ranking 321
UND w ranking - 135, 216, 256, 299, 493, 549 - avg ranking 324

I have not seen Liberty play this year. So, I can not make a complete judgement but I question the ranking of Liberty.

[X-Factor]

Looks like we may have lost a few voters this week. Seems like less total #1 votes.

[Seawolf97]

Just happy to see us moving up.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Looks like we may have lost a few voters this week. Seems like less total #1 votes.

We did. We were down about 10 voters this week and I think our high was about 120 voters.

There is about 160-170 total voters but a lot have lost voting privileges due to missed votes etc. throughout the cours of the year. Can you imagine if we started creeping up to those #'s. Hell there is still a lot of untapped talent out there for next years vote.

[AGSPoll]

Looks like we may have lost a few voters this week. Seems like less total #1 votes.

AGS Poll - 100 for 100 (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?99488-100-For-100)

[Squealofthepig]

We did. We were down about 10 voters this week and I think our high was about 120 voters.

Also, this was (at least for me) the hardest week to realign my ballot. Some previous ballots were almost slot like - that is, I found out that team A is better than team B and could slide up or down as necessary. This week, I found myself with a ton of Team A beat Team B which beat Team C which beat Team A. Where do you rank Appalachian State after the Furman loss? How do you reevaluate Indiana State? How can you get a true barometer for Maine? How do you feel about GSU after the struggle at home against the Citadel?


Moving back to voting privileges - could we add one more allowable "missed vote", perchance? I know last year I struggled to ensure I voted in enough to be able to keep voting, mainly due to a move across country during weeks 3 and 4. While I appreciate the effort that sustained voting entails, most if not all of us are adults with real jobs who spend a not-insignificant amount of time working on our ballots, and allowing one missed vote or at least an appeals process for 1 or 2 missed votes would be appreciated by all.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Also, this was (at least for me) the hardest week to realign my ballot. Some previous ballots were almost slot like - that is, I found out that team A is better than team B and could slide up or down as necessary. This week, I found myself with a ton of Team A beat Team B which beat Team C which beat Team A. Where do you rank Appalachian State after the Furman loss? How do you reevaluate Indiana State? How can you get a true barometer for Maine? How do you feel about GSU after the struggle at home against the Citadel?


Moving back to voting privileges - could we add one more allowable "missed vote", perchance? I know last year I struggled to ensure I voted in enough to be able to keep voting, mainly due to a move across country during weeks 3 and 4. While I appreciate the effort that sustained voting entails, most if not all of us are adults with real jobs who spend a not-insignificant amount of time working on our ballots, and allowing one missed vote or at least an appeals process for 1 or 2 missed votes would be appreciated by all.

It was expanded by a vote miss already but on top of that if a voter has an excuse like yours with a move or anything like that then I've never seen the committee turn down a petition (pm'ing agspoll and saying "help") so it is not some hard fast rule that can't be worked around if need be.

[Squealofthepig]

It was expanded by a vote miss already but on top of that if a voter has an excuse like yours with a move or anything like that then I've never seen the committee turn down a petition (pm'ing agspoll and saying "help") so it is not some hard fast rule that can't be worked around if need be.

We should spread that gospel around a bit then, and maybe if anyone has lost voting privileges for such a hardship they can petition either source. I admit I wasn't aware of it - but I'll also admit I never asked for any relief, either. :)

[Squealofthepig]

It was expanded by a vote miss already but on top of that if a voter has an excuse like yours with a move or anything like that then I've never seen the committee turn down a petition (pm'ing agspoll and saying "help") so it is not some hard fast rule that can't be worked around if need be.

We should spread that gospel around a bit then, and maybe if anyone has lost voting privileges for such a hardship they can petition either source. I admit I wasn't aware of it - but I'll also admit I never asked for any relief, either. :)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

We should spread that gospel around a bit then, and maybe if anyone has lost voting privileges for such a hardship they can petition either source. I admit I wasn't aware of it - but I'll also admit I never asked for any relief, either. :)

Ahh, we've done about all we can do. We've had several threads and even send a cautionary pm and email when a voter is getting close so it is what it is. Next year will be way smoother as we have our game down now and are running real efficiently now. The whole working the kinks out on a totally new system has been a true learning experience so the minor adjustments in the offseason to make it even more useable for the voter will only boost the thing I think.

Not to mention we have 160+ voters already signed up when next year starts which we had to build from scratch and set all those up individually this year. Compared to what I've been through this year, next year will be a walk in the park.

[Squealofthepig]

Ahh, we've done about all we can do. We've had several threads and even send a cautionary pm and email when a voter is getting close so it is what it is. Next year will be way smoother as we have our game down now and are running real efficiently now. The whole working the kinks out on a totally new system has been a true learning experience so the minor adjustments in the offseason to make it even more useable for the voter will only boost the thing I think.

Not to mention we have 160+ voters already signed up when next year starts which we had to build from scratch and set all those up individually this year. Compared to what I've been through this year, next year will be a walk in the park.

Awesome. I'd quickly note I'm just asking for improvements, and please don't take my comments as absolute criticism. Ultimately, it's up to the voters to vote - and communicate with you guys when we are unable to. While biased, I still think our poll is the most accurate out there, as we have a great panel composed of many dedicated FCS fans.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Awesome. I'd quickly note I'm just asking for improvements, and please don't take my comments as absolute criticism. Ultimately, it's up to the voters to vote - and communicate with you guys when we are unable to. While biased, I still think our poll is the most accurate out there, as we have a great panel composed of many dedicated FCS fans.

Never take good ideas as criticism so we're safe there squel. Hell a lot of what we've done better is from exactly the kinds of things guys like you have said would make it better for them.

[ngineer]

What has Lehigh done to warrant a vote inside the Top 10-13? Zero wins against Top 10 competition on their resume and yet the AGS voters have them at #4.xeyebrowx And Harvard, who's not played anyone in the Top 10 gets any consideration at #12? What's the means of comparative measure there?

What are you looking at. Lehigh is ranked #7.

[ngineer]

Clearly more important than the fact that UNH beat Lehigh in the H2H competition (in Lehigh).

Polls are nothing more than peoples' subjective views as to how strong a team is at that point in time. We are two months removed from UNH's OT win over Lehigh. The body of work since then cannot be discounted.

[Fear the Bird]

Polls are nothing more than peoples' subjective views as to how strong a team is at that point in time. We are two months removed from UNH's OT win over Lehigh. The body of work since then cannot be discounted.

Please expand on lehighs "body ofwork"

[WrenFGun]

Polls are nothing more than peoples' subjective views as to how strong a team is at that point in time. We are two months removed from UNH's OT win over Lehigh. The body of work since then cannot be discounted.

All the ranked opponents Lehigh has played since then has certainly been a real challenge for them. There's no comparison really, and again, no reason for Lehigh to be above UNH except for voters not doing their due diligence regarding their two situations. With the exception of the Liberty game that Lehigh won (and Liberty has looked pretty terrible over the last 3 weeks), Lehigh has played absolutely nothing in weeks. They shouldn't lose any of those games. UNH has played numerous teams either ranked in the top 25 at the time or still ranked in the top 25 (Richmond, JMU, W&M, Massachusetts) and has lost just one of those games.

Again, UNH has played a tougher schedule, has a H2H win over Lehigh and has the same amount of FCS losses. Tell me again why Lehigh is ranked ahead of UNH? Why are they ranked ahead of Maine? Why are they ranked ahead of Towson? All of those teams have one FCS loss and far better wins than Lehigh does.

The excuse that voters "had them high," is again just chalking it up to voter laziness and I think that this site is better than that. If you look at the OVERALL resume of these four teams, who has the worst resume? If you do not arrive at Lehigh I'd be baffled. And this is not to discount Lehigh as a team, fwiw. Chris Lum and Ryan Spadola are one of the best QB/WR combinations in FCS; this is a team that could beat anyone that they play in the playoffs. BUT their resume, which is a large part of what WE as voters should be voting on, is simply not as good as teams ranked behind them.

I'm not being a HOMER, either, as some UNI poster suggested, though I'd be curious about what UNI's resume includes that is better than Towson's or Maine's, too. I am looking at the facts put in front of me and legitimately do not understand why Lehigh, a team with their best win being a Liberty team that is probably going to lose the Big South auto-bid to Stony Brook, is being ranked as highly as they are, particularly since the only other legitimate competition beat them on their home field.

[Engineer86]

Clearly more important than the fact that UNH beat Lehigh in the H2H competition (in Lehigh).

Teams change as the season goes on, even in that game it was mid third quarter before Lehigh realized the could beat UNH. Don't act like you blew Lehigh off the field. Since then you have lost. If it is only about head to headmyou can talk up some really bad teams just on upsets. I am not saying UNH is a bad team, but let's get over the Lehigh Trashing.

Try this who has SHSU beaten besides an 0-9 terrible FBS New Mexico? yet they are worthy of #3?

[WrenFGun]

Teams change as the season goes on, even in that game it was mid third quarter before Lehigh realized the could beat UNH. Don't act like you blew Lehigh off the field. Since then you have lost. If it is only about head to headmyou can talk up some really bad teams just on upsets. I am not saying UNH is a bad team, but let's get over the Lehigh Trashing.

Try this who has SHSU beaten besides an 0-9 terrible FBS New Mexico? yet they are worthy of #3?

I think I was trashing Lehigh when I said they were capable of beating anyone, and that Lum/Spadola was an excellent combination.

Does Lehigh have a better win than FBS New Mexico? Is Lehigh undefeated? No, and No.

[Engineer86]

I did not quote your post that included Lum/Spadola never saw it when I posted.

Your point on who Lehigh beat is correct. I never said Lehigh was better than SHSU, just that you are too dense to realize what post I was responding to or that SHSU has beaten no one of consequence. What top 20 team have they beaten?

[WrenFGun]

so you want to know why Lehigh is ranked ahead of UNH in all the polls as of today?

sure, no problem.

Lehigh did NOT lose to an unranked team as recently as 3 weeks ago, and by 2 whole TD's, as did UNH.

I hope this helps...

If Lehigh beat UNH and then lost to Holy Cross, and UNH beat W&M but lost to Lehigh, should UNH be ahead of them in the poll?

The best way to compare two teams is to have them play each other. UNH proved they were the slightly better team on the field...that's before considering they have a better overall resume and play in a tougher conference.

I just don't think the argument that Lehigh has "evolved" is as good as saying, "Lehigh wasn't as good as UNH." They haven't played anyone of merit since, really, with the exception of Liberty.

It's clear that people agree with you, I just don't get it and don't think folks are really thinking that vote through. Towson should be ahead of both of these teams. Maine, too.

[Engineer86]

Honestly, I don't necessarily disagree with you that Lehigh has some proving to do when given the chance and those younlist have done so, and had more chances to stumble. It is not overly fair that 1 loss outnof four chances is penalized over not having anchance to prove. I am just glad that FCS has playoffs to settle it on the field at the end of the season.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I am curious why all sorts of people think just because one team beat another they should be ranked higher. I had UNH ranked ahead of Lehigh. However, UNH then lost to W&M. Should move both UNH and Lehigh down then, even though Lehigh didn't lose a game?

Should I keep App St. ahead of GSU even though App St. just lost to Furman?

One game does not mean the team is better than the other overall. All that means is they were better on that day.

[JMUNJ08]

I am curious why all sorts of people think just because one team beat another they should be ranked higher. I had UNH ranked ahead of Lehigh. However, UNH then lost to W&M. Should move both UNH and Lehigh down then, even though Lehigh didn't lose a game?

Should I keep App St. ahead of GSU even though App St. just lost to Furman?

One game does not mean the team is better than the other overall. All that means is they were better on that day.

Thanks for this...lets all move on now to the other 23 teams in the poll and those just on the outside trying to get in....

[JMUNJ08]

I really liked this poll MUCH MORE than the others this week. I see some smaller conference teams making more noise in the polls as the big boys start to have some ugly records (G'town, Duq, EKU).

Was hoping for what would be the first match up in a few years of RANKED Patriot League teams this upcoming weekend...

Also, I see the CAA is still fairly well ranked for all teams. I still don't think highly of a 5-4 Delaware team but they do have a nice pair of wins...

[bjtheflamesfan]

To be frank I just wanted to see if I could get a rise out of Lehigh fans (although I really am not overly impressed with Lehigh's schedule outside of the UNH and Liberty games...and Id like to go on record and say that I do not give a flying hoot HOW Lehigh lost that game so I dont want to hear a breath about it from any Lehigh posters anymore...its been discussed ad nauseum ad infinitum and I am quite tired of it at this point) although even if I wasnt doing it for that reason, Lehigh's wins havent overly impressed me so I havent seen a ton of reason to put them in the top 5...New Hampshire hasnt been near my top 5 all season (and I actually had Lehigh ahead of the Wildcats for a few weeks up until I think the week 9 ballot

[PantherRob82]

Let me help you a little:

Lehigh beat Liberty this year

I hope this helps clear your mind a bit

UNH beat Lehigh on an INT in OT.

[UNIFanSince1983]

ha!, well thanks for the info

how about this one:

Lehigh beat UNI in the first round of last year's playoffs at the UNI Dome....

can you imagine?....at the UNI Dome...the place where very few teams beat UNI...



Does that pertain to this years rankings at all?

(Just a hint: the answer is NO)

[UNIFanSince1983]

Yes I am. Did the loss to Lehigh affect how UNI started this year?

(Again the answer is NO)

The preseason ranking was based on having good players like Lum and Spadola returning. Just like UNI's ranking was based on returning almost everyone.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Let me help you a little:

Lehigh beat Liberty this year

I hope this helps clear your mind a bit

Actually it doesnt because I didnt need it cleared to begin with

[bjtheflamesfan]

Let me help you a little:

Lehigh beat Liberty this year

I hope this helps clear your mind a bit
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[PantherRob82]

well thanks for the info

how about this one:

Lehigh beat UNI in the first round of last year's playoffs at the UNI Dome....

can you imagine?....at the UNI Dome...the place where very few teams beat UNI...

Delaware beat Lehigh bad the next week. Thanks for saving us the trip.

[WrenFGun]

Of course it does

are you saying that Lehigh's current spot is not somehow related to where they started at the beginning of the season

and are you saying that Lehigh's spot at the beginning of the season is not somehow related to how they beat UNI in the first round of the playoffs last year?

I'm saying it shouldn't be, yes. I liked everything about Lehigh when we played earlier this season, but I'm hoping desperately they lose in their first game in the playoffs at this point.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Delaware beat Lehigh bad the next week. Thanks for saving us the trip.

Odd thing is that although I'm not positive I'm pretty sure I've seen TheFan stating something similar to the defeat that Delaware layed on Lehigh last year not mattering this year?

[PantherRob82]

Odd thing is that although I'm not positive I'm pretty sure I've seen TheFan stating something similar to the defeat that Delaware layed on Lehigh last year not mattering this year?

Who's TheFan? ;)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Who's TheFan? ;)

Youdafan!

[PantherRob82]

nope, never said that...

in fact, Lehigh was within a couple of points into the 3rd quarter against a heavily favored Delaware, who had the top QB in the FCS at the time..

When was Devlin the top FCS QB? In what stat?

[MTfan4life]

nope, never said that...

in fact, Lehigh was within a couple of points into the 3rd quarter against a heavily favored Delaware, who had the top QB in the FCS at the time..

Fandusky, it's kind of a joke when you are bragging about being close to a team up into the 3rd quarter when you are referring to a playoff game. If it was a game against a high profile FBS school, then it's ok, but otherwise it's rather embarrassing. It's the playoffs. You're supposed to compete with everyone you face for 60 minutes.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Fandusky, it's kind of a joke when you are bragging about being close to a team up into the 3rd quarter when you are referring to a playoff game. If it was a game against a high profile FBS school, then it's ok, but otherwise it's rather embarrassing. It's the playoffs. You're supposed to compete with everyone you face for 60 minutes.

He calls that game close, but says they destroyed UNI when they only won 14-7. He is seriously a walking contradiction.

I think he is just mad because Princeton is terrible year in and year out, and they don't compete in the playoffs.

[MTfan4life]

Then why do you keep bringing up that Lehigh hung with Delaware for a little over a half? They LOST. How is this your argument against me? You're the one who said Lehigh did well even though they didn't win. UNIFanSince1983 you foretold this like a champ! Fandusky, you outdid yourself here!


He is seriously a walking contradiction.





In the playoffs, the only thing that matters is THAT YOU WIN

that is it

period!

you could be outplayed for 55 minutes, but if you win the game that is all that matters...


nope, never said that...

in fact, Lehigh was within a couple of points into the 3rd quarter against a heavily favored Delaware, who had the top QB in the FCS at the time..