Penn State Athletic Director & Former Defensive Coordinator Arrested

[superman7515]

Perjury and Sexual Abuse Rock Penn State (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7192563/penn-state-nittany-lions-athletic-director-tim-curley-charged-perjury-sex-case)


HARRISBURG, Pa. -- Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and another school administrator were charged Saturday with perjury and failure to report in an investigation into allegations that former football defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abused eight young men, state prosecutors said.

The attorney general's office said Sandusky, 67, of State College, was arrested Saturday.

Curley, 57, and Penn State vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz, 62, both of Boalsburg, were expected to turn themselves in Monday in Harrisburg, according to the attorney general's office. Schultz's position includes oversight of the university's police department.

Sandusky, closely identified with the school's reputation as a defensive powerhouse and a program that produced top-quality linebackers, retired in 1999.

Prosecutors said Sandusky was arraigned Saturday and released on $100,000 bail. A preliminary hearing is scheduled for Wednesday....

[Pards Rule]

This is horrible. Even though Paterno is not charged (because he reported it to the AD) why did he not follow up? Also intriguing, any connection I wonder with the disappearance of Centre County DA Ray Gricar on April 15, 2005 (read Disappearance section of Wiki article)! Is this bizarre or what?!?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

[Pards Rule]

This is getting sicker - apparently Sandusky gave one of the teens $50 for pot that he smoked in Sandusky's car: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/report_former_coach_jerry_sand.html

[Franks Tanks]

This is horrible. Even though Paterno is not charged (because he reported it to the AD) why did he not follow up? Also intriguing, any connection I wonder with the disappearance of Centre County DA Ray Gricar on April 15, 2005 (read Disappearance section of Wiki article)! Is this bizarre or what?!?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

Word is that Joe was under the impression that an investigation took place and it didn't go anywhere. The head of the campus police was also invloved.

[dgtw]

This may spell the end of Joe Pa's career. I'm not blaming all this on him, but he should have made a bigger issue out of this. He's Joe Paterno, his voice carries a little bit of weight in State College.

I suspect he's been a figurehead as head coach for a while now and he needs to step down. He's broken Robinson's record and he can't catch Gagliardi. With no mountains to climb, he needs to hang it up. I think he's afraid his retirement would last as long as Bear Bryant's and that may be keeping him going.

[GSU EAGLES]

Interesting that this has been known for many years and the story "breaks" the week after JoePa breaks Eddie Robinson's all time wins record. I guess the cops wanted to let JoePa enjoy his record for a week after chasing it for 45 years.

[CitadelGrad]

Interesting that this has been known for many years and the story "breaks" the week after JoePa breaks Eddie Robinson's all time wins record. I guess the cops wanted to let JoePa enjoy his record for a week after chasing it for 45 years.

I seriously doubt that the commonwealth grand jury was paying attention to Paterno's win/loss record.

[Franks Tanks]

Interesting that this has been known for many years and the story "breaks" the week after JoePa breaks Eddie Robinson's all time wins record. I guess the cops wanted to let JoePa enjoy his record for a week after chasing it for 45 years.

This smoke around this story has been in newspapers in PA for some time. It came to a head now because the grand jury investigation is completed and guys are being charged.

[Pards Rule]

Word is that Joe was under the impression that an investigation took place and it didn't go anywhere. The head of the campus police was also invloved.

My question - wouldnt he assume that at some point they would question him about when he heard about it and the circumstances, etc. My understanding is the grad assistant came to his house. Who was notified that Sandusky couldnt bring any more children from Second Mile into that field house? If Joe was notified, wouldn't he be thinking WTF happened here?

[Franks Tanks]

My question - wouldnt he assume that at some point they would question him about when he heard about it and the circumstances, etc. My understanding is the grad assistant came to his house. Who was notified that Sandusky couldnt bring any more children from Second Mile into that field house? If Joe was notified, wouldn't he be thinking WTF happened here?

Joe satisfied his legal obligation, but of course the question is if he satisfied his moral one. There is no correct answer but Joe could certainly have been more proactive regarding the situation. By the way the GA in question in current Penn State assistant Mike McQueary. He is the red head guy who does much of the game day HC duties with Joe in the Press Box.

[CitadelGrad]

If Curley and Schultz were willing to lie to a grand jury, why would they not lie to Paterno? All they had to do was tell him that they investigated and found nothing to the GA's report or they could have said that they turned the matter over to law enforcement. Paterno probably would have had no reason to doubt them.

[Pards Rule]

If Curley and Schultz were willing to lie to a grand jury, why would they not lie to Paterno? All they had to do was tell him that they investigated and found nothing to the GA's report or they could have said that they turned the matter over to law enforcement. Paterno probably would have had no reason to doubt them.

Either way I would assume if I were JoePa that someone would have got my angle to the story. Im not trying to implicate him, but I would wonder why no one had asked me anything about it and query further. Maybe I have a too much inquiring mind.

[ngineer]

I recall that Paterno did give testimony to the grand jury, possibly by deposition. When he was notified by GA, I think Sandusky was alread gone a couple years. If he tells AD and is later told they "looked into it" or "reported it to the authorities" what more is he to do. Put on a trenchcoat and start stumbling around State College a la Columbo?

[bluehenbillk]

Story starting to snowball locally. Curley & Schultz are gone as of last night's BOT meeting.

Looking more doubtful that any of the current staff includng Joe will be back for the 2012 season - look for a total housecleaning in State College.

[Marcus Garvey]

Well let's face it, JoePa is done. He either:
A) Is forced to resign immediately (not likely IMO)
B) Resigns at the end of the season, under duress (most likely scenerio IMO)
C) Refuses to resign and is fired (highly unlikely)
D) Remains as head coach for 2012 season (Not a chance).

Given that, let's talk successors. I think the front runner would be Al Golden at Miami, who got royally screwed by an administration that appears to have withheld information about the NCAA investigations from him. So, is leaving Miami's $%@#storm for Penn State's an upgrade? Downgrade? Lateral?

[superman7515]

D isn't a "Not a chance" considering that the University has already shown it's willing to sweep things under the rug. In order to preserve their image and say "See, I told you we weren't wrong" they could keep him on for another season just to show he wasn't being forced out because they theink he's innocent and to not tarnish his final season.

[HailSzczur]

I thought an article on ESPN put Joe Pa's failure to follow up beautifully

The attorney general has said Paterno did the right thing; by turning over his information about Sandusky to his superior, he fulfilled his legal obligation.

The problem is, we've come to expect more than just meeting an obligation from Paterno. We expect and believe that he has a moral compass that would propel him to do more, to pound his shoe on a desk and demand an investigation.

Is it reasonable? Maybe not. Who's to know how any of us would truly react when faced with such an unfathomable piece of news about someone we've known for 30-plus years? Who's to know exactly what Paterno was told?

Heroes and role models, we know, are a dangerous thing. Missteps are too easy, people too often are not what they appear to be.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7203559/penn-state-nittany-lions-scandal-stuns-community

[Pards Rule]

I thought an article on ESPN put Joe Pa's failure to follow up beautifully

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7203559/penn-state-nittany-lions-scandal-stuns-community

There ya go - that what I was saying. I dont want him pulling a Colombo (although he would bear quite a resemblance in a trenchcoat) but I do want want to ask some damn questions. If he can query defensive calls he can query on this offense.

[bluehenbillk]

Andy Reid as the next head coach at PSU??

[Franks Tanks]

Well let's face it, JoePa is done. He either:
A) Is forced to resign immediately (not likely IMO)
B) Resigns at the end of the season, under duress (most likely scenerio IMO)
C) Refuses to resign and is fired (highly unlikely)
D) Remains as head coach for 2012 season (Not a chance).

Given that, let's talk successors. I think the front runner would be Al Golden at Miami, who got royally screwed by an administration that appears to have withheld information about the NCAA investigations from him. So, is leaving Miami's $%@#storm for Penn State's an upgrade? Downgrade? Lateral?

Most Penn State fans think the next coach will be...

Golden
Fitzgerald from Northwestern
Schiano
and an outside chance at Urban Meyer

The program shoud be fine from a football standpoint. They are not on probation, and still have access to one of the best recruiting areas in the country. Penn State has been underachieving for some time, and the new coach will have a chance to win big early.

Penn State fans knew something was up when several long time assistants looked for other jobs over the off season. Tom Bradley interviewed for the Pitt, Temple, and UCONN jobs. Johnson and Mcqueary were also on the hunt. At the time fans thought Joe told his staff he was done, and guys started looking for their next gig. Now it appears the grand jury investigation was going on at the time.

For Joe the only honorable thing to do is to step down at the end of the season. It is past time for him to go anyway, and he cannot survive this scandal. Hopefully Joe will announce his retirement before the bowl game and bow out gracefully.

[bluehenbillk]

PSU just asking the national media to fire away:

Joe Paterno Press Conference Cancelled

[WestCoastAggie]

How State College keep this swept under the rug for so long is something that I just can't wrap my brain around. I read the report and this was so disheartening. I hope that the NCAA has the ability to enact some kind of rule requiring moral clauses in the contracts of Athletic Admin or something.

[NHwildEcat]

Andy Reid as the next head coach at PSU??

Not if they ever want to win a championship again!

[superman7515]

Al Golden, Greg Schiano, and Urban Meyer have all expressed interest in the past.

[dgtw]

Why didn't the asistant who witnessed this run in the shower and do something? Like beat the **** out of Sandusky.

[asumike83]

It is truly amazing to me how SO MANY people turned a blind eye to such disgusting behavior. The fact that these incidents were reported to numerous authority figures at the children's schools, local police and PSU officials over the course of the last 13-14 years and it is just now becoming public is astounding.

I just read the grand jury report, which details all the different allegations and all the different people who had conversations about Sandusky's behavior. It is one of the most disturbing things I have ever read, I was almost not able to finish it.

Even the suspicion of this kind of activity should have triggered swift, serious action over a decade ago. Had that happened, there are about a dozen young boys who would have been spared the emotional scarring that this man gave them.

I pray for these kids and their families, this is truly sad.

Something tells me that once he is convicted, Jerry will find out soon enough what it is like to be on the other end of such sexual abuse.

[ngineer]

How State College keep this swept under the rug for so long is something that I just can't wrap my brain around. I read the report and this was so disheartening. I hope that the NCAA has the ability to enact some kind of rule requiring moral clauses in the contracts of Athletic Admin or something.

I don't see this as an NCAA issue. It's a law enforcement issue. Too many hands wanting to get in on the action make a bad outcome. No NCAA rules were broken, no illegal $$ payments, etc. The criminal code is what must be focused upon and dealt with swiftly.

[alvinkayak6]

It's a law enforcement issue and serious moral depravity. You wonder how the victim families / why the victim families have not sought revenge. It's crazy.

[MSUDuo]

For what it is worth, and this doesn't make anything that PSU has done correct, but from all the reports I have read, only one kid spoke up in the past 9 years...And now we have 8 speaking up. Where were the others when it happened?

Again, this is not in defense to PSU. They all will have a special place to burn. But the blame goes all the way around in this instance

[Pards Rule]

For what it is worth, and this doesn't make anything that PSU has done correct, but from all the reports I have read, only one kid spoke up in the past 9 years...And now we have 8 speaking up. Where were the others when it happened?

Again, this is not in defense to PSU. They all will have a special place to burn. But the blame goes all the way around in this instance

Take it from someone in the know, this is not an easy thing to discuss with anyone.

[Professor Chaos]

If the allegations are all true and Joe Pa really did that little to bring this to light then he should be fired. Having said that I have a problem with the way it was done. Would it really have been so bad to suspend him indefinitely until there had been some semblance of legal process going forward? I agree that you cannot let Joe Paterno be on the sidelines on Saturday but firing him so abruptly, and over the phone to boot, is spineless and classless in my opinion. Joe Pa made an egregious error but let's not forget all he's done for that university in his 61 years there. He deserves better then to be booted so abruptly, suspending him indefinitely would've been a more fitting course of action.