Div II Conference Seeks II-A and II-AA Split

[TexasTerror]

Oy, more nomenclature debates! This time, there's a small group in Div II that would prefer to see a II-A and II-AA, though it seems it's because of their inability for playoff success. That just sounds confusing! Div two, double A!

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Now, the PSAC is leading a charge to convince the Division II Management Council to support development of a legislative proposal to create two national championship football brackets, effective at the end of the 2008 or '09 season.

"For lack of a better term, we would have a Division II-A and II-AA playoff system, just like Division I has a I-A and a I-AA," said Grand Valley athletic director Tim Selgo. "One division would involve, for example, schools that offer the full compliment of (36) football scholarships, and the other would have schools, for example, that only offer 18 to 25 scholarships.

"Given how well things have gone for Grand Valley in Division II football, we would like things to stay the same."

http://www.mlive.com/sports/grpress/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/114683491763750.xml&coll=6

[AppGuy04]

What, is A the good teams and AA the bad teams, like high school vs middle school, what recruit would even want to go to a school who thinks of themselves in this way

[walliver]

It's getting as bad as High School Football.

In South Carolina with A - AAAA, but AAAA was split into two divisions (the 16 largest high schools were division I and all got to go to the playoffs and everybody else was Division 2)

Now they've changed it so that A and AAAA have two divisions, but the divisions are determined after the season (32 teams make the playoffs, and the 16 largest schools play for the Division 1 title and the 16 smaller schoold play for the Division 2 title)

What would be next for the NCAA subclassifications of subdivisions/ I can see the headlines now, "Newberry wins the NCAA Division II-A-beta-3 National Championship."

Would the Division II-AA teams be "mid-minors"?

[Purple Pride]

I've been reading their posts and it all boils down to scholarships. D2 allows 36 but many conferences are capping at a lower level to bring everybody down to the poor schools level. I suggested that if they can't fund the programs, maybe they should play in D3 where they belong. They all started cryin like little girls.xlolx

[AppGuy04]

It's getting as bad as High School Football.

In South Carolina with A - AAAA, but AAAA was split into two divisions (the 16 largest high schools were division I and all got to go to the playoffs and everybody else was Division 2)

Now they've changed it so that A and AAAA have two divisions, but the divisions are determined after the season (32 teams make the playoffs, and the 16 largest schools play for the Division 1 title and the 16 smaller schoold play for the Division 2 title)

What would be next for the NCAA subclassifications of subdivisions/ I can see the headlines now, "Newberry wins the NCAA Division II-A-beta-3 National Championship."

Would the Division II-AA teams be "mid-minors"?

actually, Pop Warner now does this too, they have a Division 1 and 2 for each age level. Its like casual play vs competitive play, like fantasy baseball or something.

[faxjusfax]

To me it's simple. Throw away all the existing nomenclatures, and classify by level of scholarships, JUST FOR FOOTBALL.

Stay away from the existing roman numerals, come up with catchy new names, disregard what level the other sport-teams play at, and have a level competitive playing field for all.

Yes, there would be a lot of movement of teams from current levels, but it would also solve a lot of today's arguements.

Too simple?

[walliver]

To me it's simple. Throw away all the existing nomenclatures, and classify by level of scholarships, JUST FOR FOOTBALL.

Stay away from the existing roman numerals, come up with catchy new names, disregard what level the other sport-teams play at, and have a level competitive playing field for all.

Yes, there would be a lot of movement of teams from current levels, but it would also solve a lot of today's arguements.

Too simple?

One problem is that such a system could be easily manipulated. What about players on Academic Scholarships or what about HOPE scholarships (any Georgia student with a B average can go to a Georgia Public College free). It would be fairly easy for a Georgia school to put together a very competitive "non-scholarship" team.

The other problem is that schools with big-time non-football sports might have a competitive advantage as far as recruiting against smaller division III schools.

[faxjusfax]

Manipulation occurs no matter what guidelines are set up. My answer would be an aggressive policing policy.

As far as the Georgia example, that would be about any public institution vs private colleges. Can't do anything about that.

Still, it would be interesting to see who the new "powers" would be in a setup like that.