AGS Top 25 Week 9 Results

[AGSPoll]

AGS Top 25 October-31-2011

1 North Dakota State Bison 2513 92
2 Montana State Bobcats 2383 6
3 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2213 3
4 Appalachian State Mountaineers 2145
5 Maine Black Bears 2092
6 Georgia Southern Eagles 2010
7 Northern Iowa Panthers 1935
8 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1837
9 Wofford Terriers 1703
10 Montana Grizzlies 1659
11 New Hampshire Wildcats 1591
12 Old Dominion Monarchs 1395
13 James Madison Dukes 1087
14 Towson Tigers 1080
15 Liberty Flames 949
16 Illinois State Redbirds 858
17 Harvard Crimson 786
18 Indiana State Sycamores 680
19 Cal Poly Mustangs 623
20 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 534
21 Furman Paladins 483
22 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 363
23 Central Arkansas Bears 360
24 William & Mary Tribe 216
25T Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 186
25T Albany Great Danes 186

Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison

Most Significant Loss: Georgia Southern Eagles



27 Brown Bears 183
28 Jackson State Tigers 138
29 Norfolk State Spartans 121
30 Portland State Vikings 77
31 South Dakota Coyotes 75
32T Youngstown State Penguins 55
32T Georgetown Hoyas 55
34 Samford Bulldogs 51
35 Alabama State Hornets 44
36 Chattanooga Mocs 26
37 Northwestern State Demons 25
38T North Dakota Fighting Sioux 24
38T Duquesne Dukes 24
40 Alabama A&M Bulldogs 20

[superman7515]

I'll save the Danes fans 10 seconds. Albany should be tied for #25. xlolx

[The Eagle's Cliff]

So, the "toughest" game on Harvard's schedule is a loss to a 4-4 Patriot League Holy Cross team and they're ranked #17???

Harvard doesn't make my poll, otherwise it's pretty close:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Maine Black Bears
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Old Dominion Monarchs
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Towson Tigers
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Liberty Flames
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22: Furman Paladins
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
25: Alabama State Hornets

Most Significant Win: Old Dominion

Most Significant Loss: Georgia Southern

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'll save the Danes fans 10 seconds. Albany should be tied for #25. xlolx

Ahh crap, I missed that and will go fix it now. I caught two others this week though!xlolx

[HensRock]

And I'll save the rest of us some time... Who's this?

"So, 2 teams above Lehigh lose and Lehigh actually drops 1 spot! Whaa Whaa Whaa"

[crusader11]

8. Lehigh
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20. Delaware


SWEET!

What is your vendetta against Delaware? Did I miss something?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

So, 2 teams above Lehigh lose and Lehigh actually drops 1 spot...

And it's still bull****.

[MTfan4life]

What is your vendetta against Delaware? Did I miss something?

Delaware beat Lehigh last season in the playoffs.

[401ks]

For the record...

I'm one of the only NEC voters in the AGS Poll and I do NOT (yet) have Albany in my Top 25.

I have utmost respect for the Great Danes who took my Dukes to the woodshed, but they remain just outside my Top 25 (for now).

And to those who voted for Duquesne in their Top 25...

Really? Seriously? xconfusedx

xpeacex

[crusader11]

Delaware beat Lehigh last season in the playoffs.

And Villanova narrowly beat Holy Cross is the 2009 playoffs...don't see any sour grapes from HC fans. This guy (or kid, maybe?) needs to grow up.

[jhanel]

Destroy as you must:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Towson Tigers
14: James Madison Dukes
15: Liberty Flames
16: Indiana State Sycamores
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Northwestern State Demons
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Jackson State Tigers
23: Furman Paladins
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Brown Bears

jhanel

[HensRock]

8. Lehigh
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20. Delaware


SWEET!


One of those 2 teams deserves their current poll position. Hint: It's the one that's 3-1 against teams ranked ABOVE them!

[youwouldno]

Furman would be favored by 17 points on a neutral field against Jackson St. The most common poll mistake is to overvalue won/loss record without considering strength of schedule.

[bjtheflamesfan]

my ballot for this week:

1: Montana State Bobcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Appalachian State Mountaineers
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Liberty Flames
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Towson Tigers
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Brown Bears
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Furman Paladins
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: William & Mary Tribe

(I intentionally had NDSU at #2 just so I could get a rise out of the resident Bison fans on the board)

[molly]

Head-to-head wins apparently mean very little:



4 Appalachian State Mountaineers 2145
9 Wofford Terriers 1703


Both teams are 6-2, both have a loss to a good ACC team, both have 1 FCS loss. Wofford's was to Furman (who ASU has yet to play); ASU's loss was by 2 TDs to... Wofford.




12 Old Dominion Monarchs 1395
14 Towson Tigers 1080


ODU is 7-2, while Towson is 6-2. Towson lost to an ACC team, while ODU has 2 FCS losses. Both lost to Delaware. ODU's other loss was to... Towson.




21 Furman Paladins 483
34 Samford Bulldogs 51


Both teams are 5-3, although one of Samford's wins is sub-DI. Both teams lost to GSU. Samford also lost to Wofford and ASU. Furman's other 2 losses are to Coastal Carolina (ouch!) and... Samford.




22 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 363
25T Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 186


Jacksonville State is 5-3; Tennessee Tech is 5-2. They each have a loss to a BCS team. Jacksonsville State lost to Chattanooga. Tennessee Tech lost to Tennessee State (who JSU has not played yet). JSU's other loss is to... Tennessee Tech.

[unigriff]

And it's still bull****.

because you are still an idiot and don't realize that both those teams that lost were ranked in the top 5...and lost to teams ranked in the top 5. So unless it was a blow out, they aren't going to drop far at all. Lehigh is good, but hasn't played any top 5 teams. Go play someone in the top 5, beat them and be rewarded.

[MTfan4life]

My stab at it. Honest opinion. I don't like to base rankings off previous weeks' polls or off other people. I look at the body of work and go from there.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Maine Black Bears
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Wofford Terriers
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Towson Tigers
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Furman Paladins
15: Cal Poly Mustangs
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Liberty Flames
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Portland State Vikings
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Central Arkansas Bears

[Lehigh Football Nation]

because you are still an idiot and don't realize that both those teams that lost were ranked in the top 5...and lost to teams ranked in the top 5. So unless it was a blow out, they aren't going to drop far at all. Lehigh is good, but hasn't played any top 5 teams. Go play someone in the top 5, beat them and be rewarded.

OK. So next time, Lehigh, instead of scheduling two Top 25 teams in Liberty and UNH out of conference, we'll look into our crystal ball, see that North Dakota State and Maine are in the Top 5, and schedule them instead. xrolleyesx

Lehigh has frankly done all they could to schedule a tough schedule. Sitting there and saying "wah wah, play more difficult opponents" is complete BS.

[GoBlueHens83]

I am sorry, but how many teams has UNI beat in the top five?

none?

oops!

The same amount as Lehigh......


oops!

[BEAR]

Destroy as you must:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Towson Tigers
14: James Madison Dukes
15: Liberty Flames
16: Indiana State Sycamores
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Northwestern State Demons
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Jackson State Tigers
23: Furman Paladins
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Brown Bears

jhanel

Isn't this wekend going to be GREAT! xsmileyclapx I'm surprised as a Northwestern State fan you put UCA above your team...no actually, I respect that. It shows lack of bias and coming from an enthusiastic Demon fan like yourself, it must have been tough. If I did the polls, I'd put them side by side looking at this years teams. With Sam in control of their destiny, only the Demons can stand in their way, but that means gettting by the Bears first. Demons have it tough. xchinscratchx

By the way AGS voters, thanks for the votes! UCA may not be a top 10 team right now, but they are a top 25 team who is actually getting better every week. Bear gratitude for you all~! xsalutex xbowx xbowx

[asu70]

My stab at it. Honest opinion. I don't like to base rankings off previous weeks' polls or off other people. I look at the body of work and go from there.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Maine Black Bears
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Wofford Terriers
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Towson Tigers
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Furman Paladins
15: Cal Poly Mustangs
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Liberty Flames
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Portland State Vikings
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Central Arkansas Bears

This is a great poll! You've done your homework, imo, without showing any bias.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

ha!

there you go

say, shouldn't you be someplace else hiding for a while?

Why is that? I don't remember the Griz losing this weekend so I doubt any of them are gonna be hiding until next weekend when we drop one to Western Oregon.

[URMite]

One of those 2 teams deserves their current poll position. Hint: It's the one that's 3-1 against teams ranked ABOVE them!

I give up? Who is that? 2-1 I get, but 3-1? Who am I missing West Chester, DSU, or #24W&M?

But I do get your point, Lehigh is 1-1 against the top 25 both below them. Delaware could say they are 2-3 against teams that would be in the top 18 if eligible (UMass, Navy)

[Grizalltheway]

Why is that? I don't remember the Griz losing this weekend so I doubt any of them are gonna be hiding until next weekend when we drop one to Western Oregon.

No doubt, we're just going to be plain over-matched in that one. xsmhx

[URMite]

because you are still an idiot and don't realize that both those teams that lost were ranked in the top 5...and lost to teams ranked in the top 5. So unless it was a blow out, they aren't going to drop far at all. Lehigh is good, but hasn't played any top 5 teams. Go play someone in the top 5, beat them and be rewarded.

Not quite right, ASU was #8, Lehigh was #7, so when ASU beat #1 they leapfrogged them. And when #1 & #3 lost they didn't lose to bad teams or by enough for Lehigh to leapfrog either of them.

[ASU_Fanatic]

4th? I call bull ****!

[Eagle16]

4th? I call bull *****!

Me too! Wofford and Maine should be ahead of you.

[URMite]

There are a lot of games left. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lehigh be a #5 seed when all is said and done. But for now the 7 teams above them have looked better than them so far. But I also wouldn't put them below 10 and that is because of how they have played not just who they have played.

[TTUEagles]

To my knowledge, this is the first time that Tennessee TECH has ever been in the Top 25 in the AGS poll!

YES!

[mainejeff]

OK. So next time, Lehigh, instead of scheduling two Top 25 teams in Liberty and UNH out of conference, we'll look into our crystal ball, see that North Dakota State and Maine are in the Top 5, and schedule them instead. xrolleyesx

Lehigh has frankly done all they could to schedule a tough schedule. Sitting there and saying "wah wah, play more difficult opponents" is complete BS.

Maine would LOVE to schedule a home and home with Lehigh........but somehow I don't think that the feeling is mutual. :(

[HensRock]

so lets see

Delaware is 5-4

does that mean that it is 2-3 against teams ranked BELOW them, with one not even a Div. I team?

ouch, that must hurt

maybe next year, eh?

No, because there is this subdivision called FBS, that's actually has teams in it that are even better than Lehigh (if you can believe that!). I wouldn't expect you to understand. See, when you play in a tough confrence AND schedule teams from this "FBS" Subdivision, and teams in transition to it, the season gets exponentially harder. Your team gets banged up. You might even lose your starting QB to injury. And yes, occasionally you lose to a dangerous team that you might otherwise beat.

Mind you, I'm not making excuses for Delaware. I've said they deserve their #20 ranking.

Hope this helps.

[HensRock]

I give up? Who is that? 2-1 I get, but 3-1? Who am I missing ?

UD beat Towson, W&M, and ODU and lost to Maine, all of which are ranked above them. Hence the 3-1.

[HensRock]

Delaware schedule

loss to Navy - ouch!
loss to Maine - ouch!
loss to Massachusetts - ouch!
loss to URI - ouch!

so many losses!

how is that working out for you?

Good enough for a #20 ranking. Thanks for your concern.

[Fear the Bird]

and when you say #20 ranking, would that be on the same poll that Lehigh is ranked 8th?

how is that working out for you?

oops!

Are you really that bitter about losing last year? Just because we are not going to the playoffs this year doesnt entitle us to any less of an opinion...you act like once your season is over you should stop posting

[Fear the Bird]

Head-to-head wins apparently mean very little:



Both teams are 6-2, both have a loss to a good ACC team, both have 1 FCS loss. Wofford's was to Furman (who ASU has yet to play); ASU's loss was by 2 TDs to... Wofford.




ODU is 7-2, while Towson is 6-2. Towson lost to an ACC team, while ODU has 2 FCS losses. Both lost to Delaware. ODU's other loss was to... Towson.




Both teams are 5-3, although one of Samford's wins is sub-DI. Both teams lost to GSU. Samford also lost to Wofford and ASU. Furman's other 2 losses are to Coastal Carolina (ouch!) and... Samford.




Jacksonville State is 5-3; Tennessee Tech is 5-2. They each have a loss to a BCS team. Jacksonsville State lost to Chattanooga. Tennessee Tech lost to Tennessee State (who JSU has not played yet). JSU's other loss is to... Tennessee Tech.

By far one of the better posts I have seen in a while in regards to rankings - these are all nailed

The JSU infatuation disgusts me as I have stated multiple times

The disrespect shown to Wofford is ridiculous, especially with how much whining goes on about where Furman should be ranked

[JMUNJ08]

It seems we were the only poll this week that did not see Jackson St. as a top 15 team... We must be losing our touch...

[jhanel]

Isn't this wekend going to be GREAT! xsmileyclapx I'm surprised as a Northwestern State fan you put UCA above your team...no actually, I respect that. It shows lack of bias and coming from an enthusiastic Demon fan like yourself, it must have been tough. If I did the polls, I'd put them side by side looking at this years teams. With Sam in control of their destiny, only the Demons can stand in their way, but that means gettting by the Bears first. Demons have it tough. xchinscratchx

By the way AGS voters, thanks for the votes! UCA may not be a top 10 team right now, but they are a top 25 team who is actually getting better every week. Bear gratitude for you all~! xsalutex xbowx xbowx

It's tough...but truthful...we have not proven it yet. We have that opportunity this weekend to take one step towards proving it. I hope we can step up. Im looking forward to the game!

[Squealofthepig]

It seems we were the only poll this week that did not see Jackson St. as a top 15 team... We must be losing our touch...

I have them in my 25-35 range; their home loss to USA looks even worse now, and with Sagarin having them at 193 with the 244th toughest schedule (out of 246), even with their record I couldn't see putting them in.

[HensRock]

FTB,
It's obviously a real bad case of Program "Henvy".
It's fun to get him going.

[danefan]

It seems we were the only poll this week that did not see Jackson St. as a top 15 team... We must be losing our touch...

CS.com didn't either.

1. North Dakota State Bison
2. Montana State Bobcats
3. Appalachian State Mountaineers
4. Sam Houston State Bearkats
5. Maine Black Bears
6. Georgia Southern Eagles
7. Northern Iowa Panthers
8. Montana Grizzlies
9. Wofford Terriers
10. Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11. New Hampshire Wildcats
12. Old Dominion Monarchs
13. James Madison Dukes
14. Towson Tigers
15. Illinois State Redbirds
16. Liberty Flames
17. Harvard Crimson
18. Cal Poly Mustangs
19. Central Arkansas Bears
20. Indiana State Sycamores
21. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22. Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23. Furman Paladins
24. William & Mary Tribe
25. Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles

Next 10 teams receiving points:
26. Albany Great Danes 27. Norfolk State Spartans 28. Brown Bears 29. Jackson State Tigers 30. Samford Bulldogs 31. Portland State Vikings 32. Youngstown State Penguins 33. Alabama State Hornets 34. Stony Brook Seawolves 35. South Dakota Coyotes

[unigriff]

Not quite right, ASU was #8, Lehigh was #7, so when ASU beat #1 they leapfrogged them. And when #1 & #3 lost they didn't lose to bad teams or by enough for Lehigh to leapfrog either of them.

My apologies as I was looking at a different poll (ASU was 5th)

However, no matter the poll, all are the same now for the top 6 practically which concurs with my obvious statement regarding who lost to who.

Regarding the Lehigh fan nation person:
I never said UNI beat a top 5.

And it is a scheduling thing as well as playing in a typically tougher conference. When you schedule OOC you can typically be assured Montana, JMU, UNH, ASU, UNI, SIU (albeit not this year), and a few others are going to be highly ranked year in and year out. Its true, its not your fault that when you play a team they may not be as good as advertised, but at least you attempted to schedule the competition. AND you have to BEAT them.

For instance next year UNI has to open @ Wisconsin...while it is a money game along with playing Iowa (which is more traditional for us playing our bigger sisters), we could have easily picked a MAC or SunBelt or Minnesota (sorry, it made me smile i had to!) team to play and probably beat, but we got the best of the best. We may lose, but we'll try our best and be competitive...just as ASU and the like playing Michigan, or VA Tech, Oregon, Alabama or what not...they are traditionally ranked, superb opponents.

By your logic, it doesn't matter who wins the LSU/Alabama game because they should not be better/higher ranked than the 6-10th rated best teams if they lose. I will bet $1500 in Vegas that the loser of the game, if not a blowout, will be still top 6.

Not that you said it, but in case someone wants to shove it in my face...I'm not upset or bitter about UNI losing to NDSU. NDSU played a better game and deserved to win. We are both great teams and one team had to win. I think we knew exactly what the Bizon were going to do, and we just flat out couldnt stop it. More power to em...it makes the conference look that much better. To be honest, I think if UNI had won...in a way it would have made the conference looking a little worse as its somewhat expected for UNI to be on top in the MVFC...its usually 1-2 teams in the past and then everyone else it seems...This year we are all beating up on each other and have another team on top, along with Ind. St. coming on strong this year with Ill. St warming up...we have 4 great teams to be excited about. I'm not saying the MVFC is the best conference in FCS but it is on the higher pedestal along with the CAA and Socon.

[BEAR]

It's tough...but truthful...we have not proven it yet. We have that opportunity this weekend to take one step towards proving it. I hope we can step up. Im looking forward to the game!

I love stats but looking at UCA's and Northwestern State's non-conference plus conference stats then comparing them to just the conference only stats you get a TOTALLY DIFFERENT PICTURE! xlolx

It's like trying to compare two varieties of cats. They're both cats, just so different that you can't get a good picture of either by comparing the two. What we need in here is more DAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWGGGGGGGGGGSSS! xlolxxlolxxlolx

We don't need no more of those MEOOOOOOOOWS. What we neeeeeeed in here is more daaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwgssssssss.
(credit to Coastal Carolina's coach)

[URMite]

UD beat Towson, W&M, and ODU and lost to Maine, all of which are ranked above them. Hence the 3-1.

It's not important but I was just pointing out W&M is 24, Delaware is 20. Therefore not ahead of them this week.

[darell1976]

Here was mine.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: James Madison Dukes
13: Towson Tigers
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Liberty Flames
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Furman Paladins
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Brown Bears
25: Norfolk State Spartans

[Lehigh Football Nation]

When you schedule OOC you can typically be assured Montana, JMU, UNH, ASU, UNI, SIU (albeit not this year), and a few others are going to be highly ranked year in and year out. Its true, its not your fault that when you play a team they may not be as good as advertised, but at least you attempted to schedule the competition. AND you have to BEAT them.

Lehigh did not beat UNH, but we did schedule them. This is why I reacted the way I did, because it's not like Lehigh has scheduled the sisters of the poor. Princeton has been weak the past few years, so I'll give you that one, but overall they've played a challenging schedule.

[Twentysix]

This is a great poll! You've done your homework, imo, without showing any bias.

Except that portland state is 3-3 and shouldnt be in the top 25 or even top 35.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Except that portland state is 3-3 and shouldnt be in the top 25 or even top 35.

Yeah the 3 losses are to TCU, Montana State, and the Griz. They lost by a combined 8 points to two very tough FCS teams and I saw them play a few times this year and if you are just going off the 3-3 thing then I'll discount your take on the situation...for now.

Winning at EWU is not easy for anyone let alone manhandling them at their place.

[Fear the Bird]

Here was mine.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: James Madison Dukes
13: Towson Tigers
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Liberty Flames
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Furman Paladins
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Brown Bears
25: Norfolk State Spartans

Why why why

[Twentysix]

Yeah the 3 losses are to TCU, Montana State, and the Griz. They lost by a combined 8 points to two very tough FCS teams and I saw them play a few times this year and if you are just going off the 3-3 thing then I'll discount your take on the situation...for now.

Winning at EWU is not easy for anyone let alone manhandling them at their place.

Im discounting them for playing not one but 2 sub dI's and then having a .500 record in DI games.

They have good losses no doubt but in week ten if you have 3 wins you are not deserving of top 25 imo.

Earlier in the season I would of ranked them higher.

[Fear the Bird]

I ranked PSU #23 but can certainly see your view 26

[MSUBobcat]

Im discounting them for playing not one but 2 sub dI's and then having a .500 record in DI games.

They have good losses no doubt but in week ten if you have 3 wins you are not deserving of top 25 imo.

Earlier in the season I would of ranked them higher.


Except that portland state is 3-3 and shouldnt be in the top 25 or even top 35.

I get what you are saying about having 3 D-I wins. Scheduling 2 sub-DI was a bad move. But PSU is .500 against D-I competition while facing pretty tough competition (sagarin SoS #121; best FCS SoS I found was Mo. State at 100). I may not place them in the top 25, but I think top 35 is probably fair. If they still had McCaffrey, they would definitly be top 35.

[MSUBobcat]

Lehigh did not beat UNH, but we did schedule them. This is why I reacted the way I did, because it's not like Lehigh has scheduled the sisters of the poor. Princeton has been weak the past few years, so I'll give you that one, but overall they've played a challenging schedule.

To date, Lehigh hasn't exactly played a "challenging" schedule. Its ranked #203 out of 246. Take out the game v. UNH (loss), and the SoS is much weaker. Many teams would go 8-0 against that type of schedule. I will grant that the difficulty improves over the remaining games (i.e. Holy Cross/Georgetown) so they can prove themselves a little more and move up in the rankings, especially with convincing wins like they have had.

[DOME]

I'm not sure I like UNI in the top ten with our starting qb being questionable at best. The Panthers are looking less and less impressive on both sides of the ball and I think are having durability issues.

If they can handle the Penguins like they have for the past decade or more this weekend then I'll move them back up. At least a spot above Deleware who I'll have a spot above Lehigh.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I'm not sure I like UNI in the top ten with our starting qb being questionable at best. The Panthers are looking less and less impressive on both sides of the ball and I think are having durability issues.

If they can handle the Penguins like they have for the past decade or more this weekend then I'll move them back up. At least a spot above Deleware who I'll have a spot above Lehigh.


I disagree.

Being at the game saturday, UNI is a very good team that could beat most in not all FCS teams. NDSU was just a better team on saturday. IMO, if these teams played 10 times, each would probably win 5. Even if Rennie cannot play, IMO, UNI will win out or at the worst finish 8-3. Most likely 9-2 with a home game. Hopefully the NCAA doesn't put them in the same bracket to save $$ on travel....but you never know.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

To date, Lehigh hasn't exactly played a "challenging" schedule. Its ranked #203 out of 246. Take out the game v. UNH (loss), and the SoS is much weaker. Many teams would go 8-0 against that type of schedule. I will grant that the difficulty improves over the remaining games (i.e. Holy Cross/Georgetown) so they can prove themselves a little more and move up in the rankings, especially with convincing wins like they have had.


This is very true.

Lehigh's schedule is anything but "challenging".

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Here is mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Maine Black Bears
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Liberty Flames
15: Towson Tigers
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: James Madison Dukes
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Georgetown Hoyas
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Norfolk State Spartans

[bjtheflamesfan]

my ballot for this week:

1: Montana State Bobcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Appalachian State Mountaineers
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Liberty Flames
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Towson Tigers
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Brown Bears
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Furman Paladins
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: William & Mary Tribe

(I intentionally had NDSU at #2 just so I could get a rise out of the resident Bison fans on the board)

Im surprised my ballot hasnt been destroyed as is usually the case

[SCPALADIN]

Here is mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Maine Black Bears
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Liberty Flames
15: Towson Tigers
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: James Madison Dukes
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Georgetown Hoyas
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Norfolk State Spartans

Still bitter about getting furmaned, huh....

[Fear the Bird]

Why furman and not samford?

[JMUNJ08]

my ballot for this week:

1: Montana State Bobcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Appalachian State Mountaineers
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Liberty Flames
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Towson Tigers
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Brown Bears
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Furman Paladins
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: William & Mary Tribe

(I intentionally had NDSU at #2 just so I could get a rise out of the resident Bison fans on the board)

Im surprised my ballot hasnt been destroyed as is usually the case

Ok I'll bite to make you feel better....

- Liberty above JMU with the same record? JMU BEAT Liberty and even though they lost this week, I saw the Presby game as a basic loss for the Flames as they should DESTROY that type of team.
- Maine has 0 FCS losses and plays in the CAA. App St. has a loss to a top ten team but still a loss. Why are they above the Black Bears?
- As much as I love the CAA and stick out my chest, 4 loss teams still don't belong in the top 25 right now...

Overall, I think its pretty good! The above are negligible as I'm just messing with you!

Took 9 weeks but we might have your best ballot yet!

[youwouldno]

Why furman and not samford?

Is Rhode Island better than Delaware?

[molly]

Is Rhode Island better than Delaware?

I assume the point you're making is that just because a team has the head-to-head win does not mean that they are better or deserve to be ranked higher. (If that's not the case, please ignore this.)

I completely agree with that sentiment. However, the difference in comparing Furman/Samford and UD/URI is their records and overall resumes. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, both Samford and Furman are 5-3, although one of Samford's wins is sub-DI. Both teams lost to GSU. Samford lost to Wofford and ASU (both top 10). Furman's other 2 losses are to Coastal Carolina and Samford. Their resumes are fairly similar. On the other hand, UD is 5-4, while URI is 2-6. UD has beaten several top 25 teams, while URI has only beaten UD. Their resumes are not very similar.

I'm curious as to why Furman's close win against Wofford at home merits ranking them ahead of Samford, a team to whom they lost (also at home) and a team that has no bad losses, unlike Furman, who also lost to Coastal Carolina.

Personally, I think the teams are very close, as their head-to-head meeting showed. But when comparing two teams with similar resumes, why wouldn't you give the nod to the team that won the head-to-head meeting?

If Furman beats ASU this weekend, I'll rank them ahead of Samford. If Samford loses to Chattanooga, I'll most likely drop them behind Furman. But until then, I really would like to hear the argument for putting Furman ahead of Samford.

[youwouldno]

If Furman beats ASU this weekend, I'll rank them ahead of Samford. If Samford loses to Chattanooga, I'll most likely drop them behind Furman. But until then, I really would like to hear the argument for putting Furman ahead of Samford.

Well the problem is that football is about match-ups but polls aren't. The poll is based on a team's overall strength, which means how they would fare against a generic opponent. It is a mistake to go about it any other way. Now, if two teams do have very similar resumes, then the head-to-head is certainly a good tie-breaker, and in this case Samford even beat Furman in Greenville.

However, I think it's pretty clear Furman should be ranked ahead of Samford as of this week, mainly because Furman has significantly better wins. By Sagarin Predictor (all D-I):

Furman: 76, 97, 146, 185, 211
Samford: 107, 186, 211, 218

That is a huge discrepancy. Effectively, Furman has 1 marquee win, 2 solid wins, and 2 easy wins. Samford has 1 solid win and 3 easy wins, plus a non D-I win.

The only bad loss for either team was Furman's to CCU. But the poll is measuring how good a team is now, not necessarily how they were in week 1. Furman was on the road with a new coaching staff and just had a bad game.

While you certainly don't have to agree with it, the argument is that Furman has nonetheless put together a stronger resume. Most computer rankings agree, with Sagarin putting Furman ahead by 33 places among all D-I teams. Bad losses shouldn't be ignored, but neither should win quality.

[Squealofthepig]

While you certainly don't have to agree with it, the argument is that Furman has nonetheless put together a stronger resume. All computer rankings agree, with Sagarin putting Furman ahead by 33 places among all D-I teams. Bad losses shouldn't be ignored, but neither should win quality.

I like pointing this out each year; what you're really delineating is the line between people who vote for teams based on the strength of their resume (quantifiable), vs. how good they think a team really is (qualifiable). This is a particularly interesting question because the teams actually played each other, and it's interesting to see the approach in voters.

[molly]

Thanks for the response on your reasoning.

[MTfan4life]

ha!

there you go

say, shouldn't you be someplace else hiding for a while?

Find one team above your bolded team and argue why they should be rated higher. I looked at the teams and put together a top 25. It's not how they've played. It's who I think is better.

[MTfan4life]

Well, let see, all the major polls have Lehigh ranked 7/8 yet you have them ranked 13th
that makes sense

good stuff

Using the other polls is the worst proof one can have. Lehigh has one loss to an FCS school. Every other team I have ahead of Lehigh also has no more than one FCS loss with the exception of Old Dominion. If they had scheduled an FBS team along with their UNH game, they would have 2 losses as well. So with your argument, your top 25 is the exact same as all the major polls?

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Still bitter about getting furmaned, huh....


I wasn't sure what to do with Furman. I like the wins vs Wofford, 'Nooga and the Citadel, but the losses to Samford and Coastal give me pause. If the Paladins knock off Appy this Saturday I'd rank them for sure.

[ysubigred]

My stab at it. Honest opinion. I don't like to base rankings off previous weeks' polls or off other people. I look at the body of work and go from there.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Maine Black Bears
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Wofford Terriers
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Towson Tigers
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Furman Paladins
15: Cal Poly Mustangs
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Liberty Flames
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Portland State Vikings
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Central Arkansas Bears

Best looking poll I've seen so far especially from 1-10. I don't get the love for a 4 loss Delaware team @ #20? Keep up the good work.

[ysubigred]

Delaware beat Lehigh last season in the playoffs.

Have another green chicklet courtesy of YBR xsalutex

[danefan]

oh, Ok......all the major polls have Lehigh ranked 7/8 - even the AGS Poll with over 100 participants from this message board - - yet you have them ranked 13th
that makes sense

this very much underscores your rational thinking when it comes to ranking schools


Now now - Lehigh is 7/8 not because everyone ranks them 7th or 8th. Its because of the points associated with the higher and lower rankings they get. Its very likely a lot of people are above and below the 7/8 rank, just like MTfan4life

[ysubigred]

oh, Ok......all the major polls have Lehigh ranked 7/8 - even the AGS Poll with over 100 participants from this message board - - yet you have them ranked 13th
that makes sense

this very much underscores your rational thinking when it comes to ranking schools

Strength of schedule fan. Nothing against Lehigh but your conference is weak. That alone will always hurt your rankings.

[AppAlum2003]

Here is mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Maine Black Bears
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Liberty Flames
15: Towson Tigers
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: James Madison Dukes
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Georgetown Hoyas
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Norfolk State Spartans

GSU at 5 and App at 10 after App just beat GSU? Really? ASU has two losses and GSU has one... but ASU's other was to VT. GSU hasn't played their FBS yet.

[ysubigred]

oh, ok

but are you forgetting that so far, as of the day of the poll, only 3 of the 8 games have been Patriot League games?

Liberty and NH 1-1 xsmileyclapx The rest are NEC and Ivy's xbangx For next year schedule more SOCON, MVFC, and BIG SKY teams to fill the Ivy and NEC spot's xsalutex

[MTfan4life]

oh, Ok......all the major polls have Lehigh ranked 7/8 - even the AGS Poll with over 100 participants from this message board - - yet you have them ranked 13th
that makes sense

this very much underscores your rational thinking when it comes to ranking schools

What other people do has no effect on who's the best team. Too many people put an effect on where people were ranked in the previous poll. Maine doesn't get respect because they weren't ranked at the start of the season. Lehigh started at 15 so no one is going to drop lower. However, regardless of what other people do to fill out their polls. Of the major conference teams with one FCS loss, I think Lehigh is at the bottom of them. Maybe if they prove their worth this year, people like me will want to respect those smaller conference schools more. That hasn't happened for a good 8 years now. I will stand by the fact that a CAA/Big Sky/SoCon/MVFC school with one FCS loss (ODU excluded) is stronger than an OVC/MEAC/Patriot/etc with a similar record. Sure Lehigh has put up a fair amount of points, and sure Lum has thrown for 56,789 yards. That doesn't change a thing in my mind. Don't compare me to other people, compare Lehigh to other teams. That's the only way you might change an opinion of mine. I don't care what Tom, Dick , and Holly said about Lehigh.

[ysubigred]

hmmmm, how did the MVC do against the Patriot League in the most recent playoffs?

got destroyed

last time I looked 2010 was less than 8 years, wasn't it?

like I said before, great rational thinking that you have there...

say, by the way, shouldn't you be "traveling" or something by now?

LOL!! You played UNI in the 1st round. I'd rather play them in the playoff's then the regular season... Just saying xsalutex

[ysubigred]

oh, ok, so now we are not talking about just a Patriot League schedule for the first 8 games as YOU were claiming, are we?

and, in fact, Lehigh played two top 15 ranked teams in those 8 games, one of which was stolen by whacked out MF refs, so Lehigh should be 2-0 in those games...

ok, I see

I guess what I'm trying to get at is; Playing in a tough conference with a BCS $ game really takes a toll on your team. Lehigh has the advantage of being in a less stressful situation/conference and usually hit the playoff's just a bit healthier. Your admin is smart because they schedule all Div1 OOC teams no matter how weak they are they are D1. Getting the magical 7 D1 wins for the playoffs at Lehigh or one of your patriot teams is almost automatic.

[bjtheflamesfan]

hmmmm, how did the MVC do against the Patriot League in the most recent playoffs?

got destroyed

last time I looked 2010 was less than 8 years, wasn't it?

like I said before, great rational thinking that you have there...

say, by the way, shouldn't you be "traveling" or something by now?


Um I wouldnt exactly call winning 14-7 "destroying" a team...now what NDSU did to Robert Morris...THAT would be closer to destroying a team...what Delaware did to Lehigh the very next round...THAT would be closer to destroying a team...what New Hampshire did to Bethune Cookman...that would be closer to destroying a team...what you did against Northern Iowa...not destroying a team

[frozennorth]

hmmmm, how did the MVC do against the Patriot League in the most recent playoffs?

got destroyed

last time I looked 2010 was less than 8 years, wasn't it?

like I said before, great rational thinking that you have there...

say, by the way, shouldn't you be "traveling" or something by now?
Congrats on destroying a 7-4 team by a touchdown.

[frozennorth]

actually, if you had a chance to see the Lehigh/UNI game, it would be categorized as "destroyed"

if you had a chance to see the Delaware game and observed that the game was very close into the 3rd quarter (within 2 points), you wouldn't call it a "destroyed" game...winning by a touchdown: destroying a team
Losing more than a touchdown but being in the game at any point in the second half: not being destroyed.

[frozennorth]

but wait a minute, I thought that the consensus was that "Playing in a tough conference with a BCS $ game" made your team much tougher and stronger and better prepared for the playoffs, not the other way around?

It does, if you can make it through with no injuries.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

actually, if you had a chance to see the Lehigh/UNI game, it would be categorized as "destroyed"

if you had a chance to see the Delaware game and observed that the game was very close into the 3rd quarter (within 2 points), you wouldn't call it a "destroyed" game...

I watched it and you mischaracterize it pretty badly.

[bjtheflamesfan]

I think the boxscore might indicate otherwise (Thanks to the Lehigh Sports website)...

http://www.lehighsports.com/assets/1/workflow_staging/Lists/41610.HTM

[bjtheflamesfan]

If you used your critical thinking and reading comprehension skills youd know he was referring to the Lehigh-UNI game my friend...

[Grizalltheway]

actually, if you had a chance to see the Lehigh/UNI game, it would be categorized as "destroyed"

if you had a chance to see the Delaware game and observed that the game was very close into the 3rd quarter (within 2 points), you wouldn't call it a "destroyed" game...

So, Lehigh beats a team by 7, and that's "destruction", but when they lose by 22, the same logic doesn't apply?xrolleyesx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

you watched "what"?

two games were discussed..

Everything. In particular the UNI/Lehigh game since it was particularly germane to your assertion.xthumbsupx

[BisonBacker]

actually that is not obvious - it could very well have been the Delaware game. So what's with the MF personal attacks you F****?

By any chance you wouldn't happen to be related to Elon RB Jamal Shuman would you xlolx

[bjtheflamesfan]

Oh goodness! Poor guy, it looks like I unintentionally hurt your feelings. I am sorry about that, I did not realize that you were that sensitive about things. I'll try and watch how I word things with you because not everyone can withstand a normal discussion. Again, my humblest apologies

[CAAruler]

I love the guys who say Lehigh was screwed in OT versus UNH!! UNH struck first with a TD then Lehigh had the ball and threw an interception- game over!!! Lehigh had a chance after UNH scored to tie but they did not not. All Time UNH 13 Lehigh 2

CAA 5-0 vs Patriot, enough said...... Lehigh is a good team and deserves respect this year but they do not play a grueling schedule like some of the power conference teams... thats just a fact....

[MSUBobcat]

So, Lehigh beats a team by 7, and that's "destruction", but when they lose by 22, the same logic doesn't apply?xrolleyesx

No because Lehigh only wins by destroying teams, but when they lose, they are always in the game. 22 points may seems like a lot, but in reality, they were a hair away from claiming victory the whole time.

[BisonBacker]

by any chance you wouldn't want to post the personal attacks which came out of no where by "bj the stalker" and in which I was responding to, would you?

Man you can't take a joke at all can you. You need to lighten up Francis.

[MSUBobcat]

I love the guys who say Lehigh was screwed in OT versus UNH!! UNH struck first with a TD then Lehigh had the ball and threw an interception- game over!!! Lehigh had a chance after UNH scored to tie but they did not not. All Time UNH 13 Lehigh 2

CAA 5-0 vs Patriot, enough said...... Lehigh is a good team and deserves respect this year but they do not play a grueling schedule like some of the power conference teams... thats just a fact....

I see this is your 1st post here, so I'll give you some advice. Facts have no place in this discussion (or any involving TheFan). Now if you have any hyperbole or other crazy, unfounded comments, go right ahead.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Man you can't take a joke at all can you. You need to lighten up Francis.

Oh no no no BB its quite alright...I hurt his feelings and that is just inexcusable of me. I should not have said such hurtful things and done such significant damage.

[MTfan4life]

actually, if you had a chance to see the Lehigh/UNI game, it would be categorized as "destroyed"

if you had a chance to see the Delaware game and observed that the game was very close into the 3rd quarter (within 2 points), you wouldn't call it a "destroyed" game...

You know your mouth is full of crow when your arguing a game was close because it was competitive into the 3rd quarter. Delaware won by 3 touchdowns. That's much more destroying than beating UNI by 7, which is ONE possession.

[bjtheflamesfan]

bj, why don't you just concentrate on talking about football and stop those personal attacks?

No no no TheFan you have it all wrong...Im trying to make right with you because I obviously struck a nerve I shouldnt have

[bjtheflamesfan]

Where am I attacking you? I am admitting that I said something that I shouldnt have and it hit a nerve that I wasnt supposed to...is that so wrong?

[MTfan4life]

bj, for the 3rd time,

why don't you just concentrate on talking about football and stop those personal attacks?

Is that a threat? Why else should I be hiding other than the fact you are threatening me?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

bj, again

why don't you just concentrate on talking about football and stop those personal attacks?

Good point but it looks like he did the latter. Now if only one of ya could do the first part cuz the ad infinitum repeat of posts certainly ain't doing what you suggest either.

[MTfan4life]

so when you say "otherwise", what part was that?

the part where highly touted UNI QB Rennie went back to pass about 25 times, was sacked 3 times, almost sacked about 10 times while he was fighting for his life, passed 14 times and only completed six passes while throwing 3 interceptions on those 14 passes?

or

the part where the majority of Rennie's 86 yards rushing on a whopping 27 rushing attempts were obtained as he was fighting for his life on an attempted pass but had to run away from the reaches of the Lehigh defenders as Lehigh completely and absolutely controlled the tempo of the game?

If you pay attention to true statistics, Rennie was not a primary passing quarterback. He averaged under 170 passing yards for the season. He was touted because he can have games where he runs for 80 plus yards. Also UNI was 102nd in sacks allowed. They averaged 3 sacks a game. Lehigh just did what was average.

[bjtheflamesfan]

And for that I am sorry TheFan...that was positively terrible on my part...did you vote in the poll this week? Care to post your ballot like I did a few pages ago?

[bjtheflamesfan]

Care to share? (Im still surprised that my ballot was actually praised this week as usually its torn to pieces for some reason or another)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Care to share? (Im still surprised that my ballot was actually praised this week as usually its torn to pieces for some reason or another)

Through the beatings you have become better.xlolx

[MTfan4life]

my rankings are always very close to the final rankings issued on Mondays, with very few off by more than one or two slots. I had your boys at #13

Aka, he looks at Monday's polls and says "I would have voted that same way."

[molly]

Facts have no place in this discussion (or any involving TheFan). Now if you have any hyperbole or other crazy, unfounded comments, go right ahead.

+1

Week after week, this thread gets closer to smack than reasonable discussion.

[PantherRob82]

Here's my vote:

1: North Dakota State Bison 2: Maine Black Bears 3: Montana State Bobcats 4: Sam Houston State Bearkats 5: Northern Iowa Panthers 6: Appalachian State Mountaineers 7: Georgia Southern Eagles 8: New Hampshire Wildcats 9: Towson Tigers 10: Old Dominion Monarchs 11: Montana Grizzlies 12: Wofford Terriers 13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks 14: Furman Paladins 15: Illinois State Redbirds 16: Indiana State Sycamores 17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 18: Liberty Flames 19: Portland State Vikings 20: Cal Poly Mustangs 21: Central Arkansas Bears 22: Albany Great Danes 23: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 24: Norfolk State Spartans 25: Harvard Crimson

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Here's my vote:

1: North Dakota State Bison 2: Maine Black Bears 3: Montana State Bobcats 4: Sam Houston State Bearkats 5: Northern Iowa Panthers 6: Appalachian State Mountaineers 7: Georgia Southern Eagles 8: New Hampshire Wildcats 9: Towson Tigers 10: Old Dominion Monarchs 11: Montana Grizzlies 12: Wofford Terriers 13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks 14: Furman Paladins 15: Illinois State Redbirds 16: Indiana State Sycamores 17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 18: Liberty Flames 19: Portland State Vikings 20: Cal Poly Mustangs 21: Central Arkansas Bears 22: Albany Great Danes 23: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 24: Norfolk State Spartans 25: Harvard Crimson

Good lord you suck at this PR. I copied your ballot to post it here to show you how it's done. You need to lay off the Missoula micro's brother.xlolx

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Maine Black Bears
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Towson Tigers
10: Old Dominion Monarchs
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Furman Paladins
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Indiana State Sycamores
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Liberty Flames
19: Portland State Vikings
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
24: Norfolk State Spartans
25: Harvard Crimson