ASU vs. Furman (11/5/11 SoCon Showdown)

[ASUG8]

Not in Chattownmocs world :D

Moral Victories can be had even if you lose by 14

True.
I miss that guy. He was all piss and vinegar there for a little while until he realized the NCAA doesn't award moral victories.

[ASUMountaineer]

You Appies are funny. You guarantee a 40 point App win, and then when a Furman fan says "wait a second, we aren't your little sister out there" you start with the "you're right, we have no chance."

Like arguing with a teenage girl.

Can you show me where/when I predicted a 40-point win?

I'm just having a little fun at FU's expense. xlolx No need to get testy...

[Waco Kid]

If the first 7 games of the season are any indication, Coach Fowler is going to try and establish the inside running game come hell or high water. You won't see Forcier drop back until Furman needs to pick up big chunks of yards in short order. App fan's heartburn should directly correlate to how many times #30 carries the football.

I hope he does. That plays right into our hands with 305 Lb Dan Wylie at NG, and Kimbrough and Greer at ILB. Outside of VT we're only giving up 3.5 yards per carry so it could be a smash mouth game. Furman might be better served to use a lot of play action with quick passes IMO.

[PaladinFan]

Can you show me where/when I predicted a 40-point win?

I'm just having a little fun at FU's expense. xlolx No need to get testy...

No worries my friend. I know a lot of App folks, I don't take any of you seriously. :)

[Skjellyfetti]

And, I'd look for them to try to throw toward DeAndre a lot. This will be his first big test in pass coverage, imo. So far he's passing every test he's been giving with flying colors, though. Still can not believe the way he was able to get off Georgia Southern's blocks and disrupt their pitch game.

[PaladinFan]

I hope he does. That plays right into our hands with 305 Lb Dan Wylie at NG, and Kimbrough and Greer at ILB. Outside of VT we're only giving up 3.5 yards per carry so it could be a smash mouth game. Furman might be better served to use a lot of play action with quick passes IMO.

I am with full belief that the game will qualify as "smash mouth." Furman hasn't won all their games, but they certainly haven't played a non-physical one yet.

[PaladinFan]

And, I'd look for them to try to throw toward DeAndre a lot. This will be his first big test in pass coverage, imo. So far he's passing every test he's been giving with flying colors, though. Still can not believe the way he was able to get off Georgia Southern's blocks and disrupt their pitch game.

Who has he played DB against?

[Skjellyfetti]

I am with full belief that the game will qualify as "smash mouth." Furman hasn't won all their games, but they certainly haven't played a non-physical one yet.


It's Purple Pride Day, though. It seems like smash mash football would be contrary to the ideals of Purple Pride. xhugx

[Skjellyfetti]

Who has he played DB against?

Georgia Southern and Samford


2 tackles, 1 tackle for loss, 2 pass breakups against Georgia Southern
6 solo tackles, 1 forced fumble against Samford

[AppAlum2003]

Georgia Southern and Samford


2 tackles, 1 tackle for loss, 2 pass breakups against Georgia Southern
6 solo tackles, 1 forced fumble against Samford

While his tackling has improved every single week, he's still "getting there".
Coverage, on the other hand... he looks like he's been playing CB since his freshman year. I'm nothing but impressed so far.

[Thefootballfan]

5 Dimes Casino line---ASU minus 1 point. O/U 54.5. Interesting. Those guys normally are pretty close.
With a complete mis match of athletes, the book makers must not think alot of the ASU O line. Furman does not have the defenders to cover Quick, Peacock, Washington and Jordon on the same play.

[ASUMountaineer]

No worries my friend. I know a lot of App folks, I don't take any of you seriously. :)

Welcome to message board land...where you can't take anyone seriously. HA! Except for Cleets...douche he is...dude is always serious. xthumbsupx

[Rekdiver]

Furman is as ready for this game as was GSU last year at this time. Excellent run defense and I'm as nervous about htis game as I've been about any this year. It's a trap game unless we bring the same intensity as we did last game.

[OL FU]

I just read that Vegas is giving App State a 1 point advantage this weekend.

I am actually surprised to hear that. I wouldn't thought the spread would have been large but I certainly wouldn't have picked practically a dead heat.

[GaSouthern]

Furman is as ready for this game as was GSU last year at this time. Excellent run defense and I'm as nervous about htis game as I've been about any this year. It's a trap game unless we bring the same intensity as we did last game.

it's pretty hard to do back to back weeks, if I had to put money on it I'd go with app but I think FU is capable of the upset this weekend. GSU needs them to win anyhow.

[asumike83]

Might as well get a headcount - who's going besides me and OL FU?

I will be there with at least one more, possibly two or three.

[FurmanWins!!]

Via Sportsnetwork.com:

Quick-Steed match-up highlights FCS weekend
Greenville, SC (Sports Network) - The best showdown in the FCS on Saturday may not involve one team versus another.

It's the marquee match-up within the Appalachian State at Furman game.

Appalachian State wide receiver Brian Quick and Furman cornerback Ryan Steed are expected to be matched against each other in the meeting of Southern Conference rivals. The two seniors could be the first offensive and defensive players in the FCS to be selected in the 2012 NFL Draft.

The 6-foot-5, 220-pound Quick scored the game-winning touchdown as Appalachian State beat then-No. 1 Georgia Southern last week. He enters Saturday's game just 68 yards shy of the Mountaineers' all-time career receiving yardage record of 3,124, set by Rick Beasley from 1978-80.

Steed collected his 12th career interception against Chattanooga last Saturday. The instinctive 5-foot-11, 188-pound standout also has 24 pass breakups and 153 tackles in his career.

Appalachian State is 6-2 overall and 4-1 in the SoCon. Furman is 5-3 and 4-2.

[FurmanWins!!]

Weather is going to be really nice on Saturday so come on down for some football guys!
http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Greenville+SC+USSC0140

[youwouldno]

The line I saw was Furman -1. FCS lines aren't real meaningful though- in the few places they are offered, the lines are just a reflection of computer rankings (probably an average of several). The computer rankings mostly have the game as in the 1-point range either way, with the over/under in the 54-55 range. That seems a bit high to me.

[FurmanWins!!]

Gameday- FU vs. ASU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brdkYz2n2W0

[AppAlum2003]

Pre-Furman ASU Highlight Video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1I8c7uhlNBw

[Saint3333]

"I think his name is Quick". It is hard to see the names when they get further away from you as they run towards the endzone.

[alvinkayak6]

This is probably FCS game of the week for playoff implications.

[T-Dog]

Dear Furmies.

1) On the play starting at 3:41, do you see a patch of ice?

2) On the play starting at 4:52, is that a forward pass or a fumble?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2x-7n0MOvk

Fun Fact: The ESPN color commentator for this game was some hack ex-coach named Bill Curry.

[AtlantaMountaineer]

Might as well get a headcount - who's going besides me and OL FU?

Two driving up from Atlanta. Hope to be able to purchase tickets at the visitor gate. Last minute decision.

[apaladin]

Two driving up from Atlanta. Hope to be able to purchase tickets at the visitor gate. Last minute decision.

Won't be a problem. The visitor's side is all general admission and seats 6,000 so you will get a good seat. $25 for adults, $10 for students/children. Have a safe trip.

[boonegoon]

Won't be a problem. The visitor's side is all general admission and seats 6,000 so you will get a good seat. $25 for adults, $10 for students/children. Have a safe trip.

Man, I may do the same thing. Only an hour's drive. Anybody want some Rocky's hot chicken?

[PaladinNation]

Dear Furmies.

1) On the play starting at 3:41, do you see a patch of ice?

2) On the play starting at 4:52, is that a forward pass or a fumble?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2x-7n0MOvk

Fun Fact: The ESPN color commentator for this game was some hack ex-coach named Bill Curry.

If there was even game it wasn't in the cards for a team to win… it was that game. Furman had so many chances in that game be it wasn't in the cards… sad, sad, sad. Gotta feeling that game haunted BL for the rest of his coaching career.

That said Furman owes APP some major payback… that day will come and I hope it stings badly :D

[alvinkayak6]

Wear your purple! RAWR

[alvinkayak6]

Hey, look - TheFan and I agree on something. xpeacex

It must be the end of the world.

2012...HIDE!

[Saint3333]

He's just another ASU hater.

[GaSouthern]

EAGLE NATION HAS YOUR BACK FURPLE (only for one day :D)

[app15state]

App's defense was great last week. If all FU did was run, I would say they would have no chance. Fortunately FU can throw it. Just sayin'

App is not exactly poor on its pass defense either. Example: McCray was named the defensive player of the month in the SoCon. And i don't know how he's done it, but Presley is an amazing db too.

[app15state]

Thank God we don't play games on paper… cause I guess Furman would never win:D

Seriously, Furman has developed a pretty good line as the season has progress. A position that hasn't been Furman like for years. Furman will be far more diverse on offense than GSU and Wofford. That doesn't mean that Furman won't try to play smash mouth against APP. I think your right can Furman make APP respect the run…? If so, I look for big plays against the APP defense.

I think that Furman will get some big plays going and they'll probably have a 25+ yard touchdown but from what I've seen, every single time that happens against app our offense gets fired up and scores themselves. Jackson's a beast and keeps his cool under pressure better than i've seen in most qb's in a while.

[Mountaineer#96]

So far APP fans all over FU's campus........seeing more Black and Gold than Purple!

[biggie]

DP warming up at WR, could play both sides today. Don't like the 30mph winds. Cadet is playing.

[Mountaineer#96]

I have seats right behind FU's bench, so a few small specks of black and gold in this purple out.......scored them right outside the gate about an hour ago. Must be some type of fair weather FU fans?

[FurmanWins!!]

Great game, way to go FU!!!!!!

[OL FU]

So far APP fans all over FU's campus........seeing more Black and Gold than Purple!

You guys showed well. My guess from looking across you brought about 2000 to 2500. The attendance was 12,500

[Mountaineer#96]

Good game FU.......you guys played mistake free football yesterday, and acted like the team looking to go to the playoffs.

While sitting directly behind the FU bench I learned two things, the older generation of FU fans are well informed warm welcoming fans with tons of class.

I also learned that if you are in a certain Furman frat you have little class and have not exactly grown up (we have the same issues at App). To the guys who had to be escorted from the stadium (I didn't get to catch which frat you were representing) wearing purple oxfords with matching ties (nice attempt on looking classy) the seats I bought right outside the stadium were likely purchased off of a wealthy alum, and yes I bought them an hour before kickoff, get over it. I will not move to the so called "App side" and as you found out it doesn't matter how many times when your team made a good play you turned to me and my wife to give us the bird and yell in unison FU, FU, FUUUUUUU!. You need to grow up, someone like me might be sitting across from you in some sort of interview process, where you really need a job.

Thank you to the classy Furman folks who helped the security folks find these guys since they were making idiots out of themselves.

[OL FU]

Good game FU.......you guys played mistake free football yesterday, and acted like the team looking to go to the playoffs.

While sitting directly behind the FU bench I learned two things, the older generation of FU fans are well informed warm welcoming fans with tons of class.

I also learned that if you are in a certain Furman frat you have little class and have not exactly grown up (we have the same issues at App). To the guys who had to be escorted from the stadium (I didn't get to catch which frat you were representing) wearing purple oxfords with matching ties (nice attempt on looking classy) the seats I bought right outside the stadium were likely purchased off of a wealthy alum, and yes I bought them an hour before kickoff, get over it. I will not move to the so called "App side" and as you found out it doesn't matter how many times when your team made a good play you turned to me and my wife to give us the bird and yell in unison FU, FU, FUUUUUUU!. You need to grow up, someone like me might be sitting across from you in some sort of interview process, where you really need a job.

Thank you to the classy Furman folks who helped the security folks find these guys since they were making idiots out of themselves.

Nice to hear they were made to leave.

[FurmanWins!!]

Good game FU.......you guys played mistake free football yesterday, and acted like the team looking to go to the playoffs.

While sitting directly behind the FU bench I learned two things, the older generation of FU fans are well informed warm welcoming fans with tons of class.

I also learned that if you are in a certain Furman frat you have little class and have not exactly grown up (we have the same issues at App). To the guys who had to be escorted from the stadium (I didn't get to catch which frat you were representing) wearing purple oxfords with matching ties (nice attempt on looking classy) the seats I bought right outside the stadium were likely purchased off of a wealthy alum, and yes I bought them an hour before kickoff, get over it. I will not move to the so called "App side" and as you found out it doesn't matter how many times when your team made a good play you turned to me and my wife to give us the bird and yell in unison FU, FU, FUUUUUUU!. You need to grow up, someone like me might be sitting across from you in some sort of interview process, where you really need a job.

Thank you to the classy Furman folks who helped the security folks find these guys since they were making idiots out of themselves.

Haha, that is nothing compared to being an FU fan in Boone, just walking from my car to the stadium we endure 10x more insults, but hey life goes on :)

[Waco Kid]

I hope he does. That plays right into our hands with 305 Lb Dan Wylie at NG, and Kimbrough and Greer at ILB. Outside of VT we're only giving up 3.5 yards per carry so it could be a smash mouth game. Furman might be better served to use a lot of play action with quick passes IMO.


I am with full belief that the game will qualify as "smash mouth." Furman hasn't won all their games, but they certainly haven't played a non-physical one yet.

So it looks like the Paladin coaches had the same idea as me for play calling. They knew our weakness and exploited it the entire first half. Having said that it was our offense not being able to score on your defense that made the difference in this game. It looks like the SoCon will have 4 teams in the playoffs now.

[PaladinFan]

So it looks like the Paladin coaches had the same idea as me for play calling. They knew our weakness and exploted it the entire first half. Having said that it was our offense not being able to score on your defense that made the difference in this game. It looks like the SoCon will have 4 teams in the playoffs now.

What was encouraging was that Furman came out and started to throw the ball. It looked almost as though it completely caught App off guard. They, like most of us, seemed to think Furman was going to come out and pound the run most of the game. They put App on the defensive quickly.

[ASUG8]

What was encouraging was that Furman came out and started to throw the ball. It looked almost as though it completely caught App off guard. They, like most of us, seemed to think Furman was going to come out and pound the run most of the game. They put App on the defensive quickly.

If you run a balanced attack like you did against us we're vulnerable. Getting the secondary loosened up with the passing game also opened up the run. Forcier ran through some holes that you could have driven a truck through.

[Skjellyfetti]

I made the trip down to Furman over the weekend to take in a matchup between two of the top small-school prospects on the board.

And while Furman CB Ryan Steed and Appalachian State WR Brian Quick didn't face off for the entire game, there were enough one-on-one matchups to get a good feel for what each player brings to the table.

From a physical standpoint, Quick has a good frame (6-foot-35, 209 pounds) and an athletic build, while Steed has the compact (5-105, 192), muscular build you like to see in a cornerback prospect.

Quick showed off his athleticism and versatility by working both outside and in the slot, and his good routes show his ability to run the complete route tree. He can sell slants and set up defenders within his stem, and he did a nice job at one point of coming out of a break on a deep out, snatching the ball naturally with his hands and transitioning upfield.

He can also make things happen after the catch and shows very good ball skills to grab the ball away from his frame. Quick had a quiet day against the Paladins (four catches, 60 yards) and the Mountaineers' quarterback issues mean he doesn't get the ball as often as you might think, but he gives great effort as a blocker and always works to finish plays. Overall, his size and ball skills could make him a good value early in the third round or late in the second.

As for Steed, he had the more impressive game. I like his movement skills and quick-twitch change-of-direction ability, which allow him to press receivers at the line of scrimmage or play off-man coverage equally effectively. He also shows good field awareness in zone coverage.

He did a good job sticking in Quick's back pocket when pressed up, and on one play did a great job squeezing Quick to the sideline on a fade route while also getting his eyes around to the ball.

Steed also grabbed his 13th career interception after mid-pointing a deep-flag and hitch-route combination, then showed good awareness to grab the tipped ball near the sideline. He plays the ball well and is opportunistic, and Steed contributed two tackles on kickoff coverage. Being able to contribute on special teams while he develops as a cover corner will only help his cause, and Steed will be a solid pickup in the third-round range.

A Quick comparison
What might Quick become in the NFL? It's hard to say at this point, but former Coastal Carolina and third-year Bengals WR Jerome Simpson is a good comparison.

It takes three years to truly evaluate a prospect, and it all seems to be coming together for Simpson, who is not as big as Quick but shows similar ball skills and is emerging as a solid No. 2 alongside standout rookie WR A.J. Green.

Simpson helped himself with a good showing during the week of the East-West Shrine Game, proving his ability to hang in against a higher level of competition, and Quick could very well do the same thing during the pre-draft process this time around.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog?name=nfl_draft&id=7204482&_slug_=2012-nfl-draft-small-school-matchup-showcases-two-valuable-players&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fblog%3fname%3dnfl_draft%26id%3d7204482%26_slug_ %3d2012-nfl-draft-small-school-matchup-showcases-two-valuable-players

[Apphole]

"small-school" man am I ready for FBS

[PaladinFan]

"small-school" man am I ready for FBS

You will be considered a "small school" there too.

[SCPALADIN]

You will be considered a "small school" there too.

...in an incredibly large pond. I'll bet the App faithful can't wait for that big game against UL Monroe xrolleyesx .

[asumike83]

...in an incredibly large pond. I'll bet the App faithful can't wait for that big game against UL Monroe xrolleyesx .

Well, it will certainly be hard to beat the anxious anticipation of the mammoth showdowns with Western Carolina and Elon we have on deck to finish this season.

Plus, we are not going to the Sun Belt. Otherwise, good point.

[Apphole]

17k enrollment and 30k in attendence is only small by SEC standards. We will be a medium sized FBS program. In the FCS we're a giant among insects.

[SCPALADIN]

17k enrollment and 30k in attendence is only small by SEC standards. We will be a medium sized FBS program. In the FCS we're a giant among insects.

True, but do you really expect your fan base to remain as devout knowing full well that you will never have a chance of winning another National Championship? Maybe it's just me, but I just don't see your students running through Boone, all jacked up, after winning a game to play in the Beef O'Bradys Bowl (not making this one up)...which is essentially a meaningless scrimmage.

...I guess what I'm trying to say is, the grass isn't always greener. Heard much about Marsha recently??

[Skjellyfetti]

True, but do you really expect your fan base to remain as devout knowing full well that you will never have a chance of winning another National Championship?

People said our fanbase would drop off after we stopped winning national titles and the glory of Michigan faded.

But it didn't.

[Apphole]

I'd venture to say that Marsha fans have heard little to nothing about Furman or App State. 5 words. In state FBS home game.

[youwouldno]

Marsha will never overtake or be equal with WVU. App St will never be equals with UNC or NC State. There are reasons to move up, but the idea that App will suddenly be nationally relevant is just insane. If they do get into C-USA, it would only be because that conference had already been decimated. They are a powerhouse by FCS standards but for most of their fans, the mythical prestige of mid-major FBS status outweighs the fact nothing good really awaits them there.

[Skjellyfetti]

Marsha will never overtake or be equal with WVU. App St will never be equals with UNC or NC State. There are reasons to move up, but the idea that App will suddenly be nationally relevant is just insane.

I don't think anyone has said that. xconfusedx All Apphole said is "Marsha" can get home games with the big instate FBS school. Which is true. I don't think many App fans hold aspirations of being the dominant FBS team in the state... but, a lot of us would drool over the thought of hosting UNC, NC State, or even ECU or Wake Forest at Kidd Brewer Stadium.

What an opportunity. And it's impossible if we're FCS.


They are a powerhouse by FCS standards but for most of their fans, the mythical prestige of mid-major FBS status outweighs the fact nothing good really awaits them there.

Meh. You can call it mythical prestige if you want to. Fact is... FCS prestige is just as mythical if you want to look at it that way. Sure, we crown a national "champion"... but, how much prestige is there when there is a whole level of football above you. How can you call yourself "champion" when you would get run off the field by the actual college football national champion.

And... most any bowl... even the absolute bottom of the bowls... get higher ratings and higher attendance than the FCS championship game. You can call it mythical prestige if you want... but, more people pay attention to the dregs of FBS than the powers of FCS.

[youwouldno]

Well certainly no one said FCS was prestigious. The point is, App St will never win the FBS championship. App St will never be in a prestige FBS conference and rake in tens of millions of dollars. Just isn't going to happen. So from a fan perspective, what exactly are you getting out of a move up? Down the road, maybe a big-name opponent at home, once every 4 or 5 years, if you sometimes play only 5 home games. Would be a lot of fun, true. A meaningless bowl game that is a money loser most of the time? I guess it would be fun sometimes. But at the end of the day, no ultimate goal to achieve and still no respect from the 'big boys'.

I'm not saying App shouldn't move up if the right opportunity presents itself. But most fans that want a move to FBS somehow thinks this is a form of validation for the program and even themselves personally- that their alma mater is now more legit because they technically play in the same subdivision as the big name programs. I think that's a pretty sad rationale to support a move.

[cbarrier90]

Well certainly no one said FCS was prestigious. The point is, App St will never win the FBS championship. App St will never be in a prestige FBS conference and rake in tens of millions of dollars. Just isn't going to happen. So from a fan perspective, what exactly are you getting out of a move up? Down the road, maybe a big-name opponent at home, once every 4 or 5 years, if you sometimes play only 5 home games. Would be a lot of fun, true. A meaningless bowl game that is a money loser most of the time? I guess it would be fun sometimes. But at the end of the day, no ultimate goal to achieve and still no respect from the 'big boys'.

I think you're missing the point here.

As Jelly said, the expectation is not to be in a BCS conference, but to get an opportunity to possibly host in-state teams like ECU and Wake Forest as opposed to NC Central and NC A&T. And if 2007 taught us anything, it's that one big football win can do more for the university as a whole (revenue, applications, etc.) than ten straight FCS titles.

If every home game in the FCS for App had the excitement and energy of 09 Montana or the UTC and GSU games this year, I would be perfectly content with staying. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the norm for the past three years or so at KBS.


I'm not saying App shouldn't move up if the right opportunity presents itself. But most fans that want a move to FBS somehow thinks this is a form of validation for the program and even themselves personally- that their alma mater is now more legit because they technically play in the same subdivision as the big name programs. I think that's a pretty sad rationale to support a move.

I don't have any personal stake in the move, but I would love to see what App can do on a bigger stage consistently against the Marshalls, ECUs, and Wake Forests of the world, teams that at one time were on the same level as ASU that have since either "moved up" or stayed put when ASU "moved down." In that sense, this move could be a validation of the program.

[OL FU]

I don't know why everyone argues over this(except for a little smack which I understand). ASU needs to do what they believe is in there best interest. Period.

[Horseshoe App]

Please let this thread die. Everytime I see a new post, it reminds me of our bad performance last Saturday:)

[SideLine Shooter]

I don't know why everyone argues over this(except for a little smack which I understand). ASU needs to do what they believe is in there best interest. Period.

It is all about $$$. They have already made the decision. They are just waiting on the right invitation from what I understand. I will support whatever ASU does.

[FurmanWins!!]

Please let this thread die. Everytime I see a new post, it reminds me of our bad performance last Saturday:)

Haha :)

[OL FU]

It is all about $$$. They have already made the decision. They are just waiting on the right invitation from what I understand. I will support whatever ASU does.

Exactly. I prefer FCS but the point is whether you are in FCS or in lower level FBS you are in no man's land when it comes to the larger football audience. So you do what is best for your school. Not sure why people take shots at etiher "sub division".

[StorminASU]

Please let this thread die. Everytime I see a new post, it reminds me of our bad performance last Saturday:)

I agree with Horseshoe, lets kill this one please!!!

[PaladinFan]

Exactly. I prefer FCS but the point is whether you are in FCS or in lower level FBS you are in no man's land when it comes to the larger football audience. So you do what is best for your school. Not sure why people take shots at etiher "sub division".

Agreed.

I do think the crowd around these parts gets annoyed with the "small con" or other such monikers for this level of football. I'm sure App will do what is best for them. I think they'll end up in football purgatory for twenty years, but I don't call the shots.

[ASUMountaineer]

...in an incredibly large pond. I'll bet the App faithful can't wait for that big game against UL Monroe xrolleyesx .

xlolx

[ASUMountaineer]

Well certainly no one said FCS was prestigious. The point is, App St will never win the FBS championship. App St will never be in a prestige FBS conference and rake in tens of millions of dollars. Just isn't going to happen. So from a fan perspective, what exactly are you getting out of a move up? Down the road, maybe a big-name opponent at home, once every 4 or 5 years, if you sometimes play only 5 home games. Would be a lot of fun, true. A meaningless bowl game that is a money loser most of the time? I guess it would be fun sometimes. But at the end of the day, no ultimate goal to achieve and still no respect from the 'big boys'.

I'm not saying App shouldn't move up if the right opportunity presents itself. But most fans that want a move to FBS somehow thinks this is a form of validation for the program and even themselves personally- that their alma mater is now more legit because they technically play in the same subdivision as the big name programs. I think that's a pretty sad rationale to support a move.

Could you please provide documentation to back up this claim? I'm assuming you have research that shows that "most fans" feel that ASU is less "legit" because it plays in FCS. Otherwise, your post is ridiculous at best.

However, thanks for taking such an interest into what ASU decides is best for the institution. I'm glad to know that Furman fans care.

[youwouldno]

Since when is it against the rules to talk about other schools? Anyway I didn't do a statistical analysis but stand by what I said. I think it's pretty obvious but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[asumike83]

I do think the crowd around these parts gets annoyed with the "small con" or other such monikers for this level of football. I'm sure App will do what is best for them. I think they'll end up in football purgatory for twenty years, but I don't call the shots.

I understand that, although I am not among the 'SmallCon' crowd. Honestly, it bothers me too.

As an App fan, I get annoyed with the "enjoy playing Louisiana-Lafayette at 10AM on Tuesday" or "have fun in the 'Get your pets spayed and neutered Bowl'" that condemn us to football purgatory for 20 years before any announcement has even been made.

Call me crazy but I trust our administration. Chancellor Peacock and Charlie Cobb have done a great job during their time in Boone and I expect them to make the best decision for our university. I guess my point is that people should at least wait for a decision before they criticize it.

[Skjellyfetti]

Down the road, maybe a big-name opponent at home, once every 4 or 5 years, if you sometimes play only 5 home games. Would be a lot of fun, true. A meaningless bowl game that is a money loser most of the time? I guess it would be fun sometimes. But at the end of the day, no ultimate goal to achieve and still no respect from the 'big boys'.

Why do you think... that ever since Division I was divided into 2 subdivisions... there has been a flood of teams moving up? So much so that the NCAA recently had to institute a moratorium on teams moving up? Why isn't there a flood of teams moving down?

If mid major FBS is as awful as you make it sound... surely teams in the Sun Belt and Conference USA would be anxious to move down to FCS and the SoCon.

[youwouldno]

Why do you think... that ever since Division I was divided into 2 subdivisions... there has been a flood of teams moving up? So much so that the NCAA recently had to institute a moratorium on teams moving up? Why isn't there a flood of teams moving down?

If mid major FBS is as awful as you make it sound... surely teams in the Sun Belt and Conference USA would be anxious to move down to FCS and the SoCon.

I'm not sure "flood" is the right word. Of the 29 teams that have played for the FCS title since 1978, only 8 have moved to FBS or are transitioning, in a span of more than 30 years.

I was talking about mid-major FBS from a fan perspective. But that's not the only factor, or even one of the more important ones. Schools move to FBS for different reasons. Nevada was the flagship university of a rapidly growing state. Boise St was well positioned, due to its location, to challenge Idaho both athletically and academically by making a move. It worked out magically for them but that's obviously an exceptional situation. WKU wanted to be an all-sports member of the Sun Belt; basketball was and is their actual priority.

The issue ultimately isn't about the subdivisions so much as it is about conference affiliation. Academics matter. TV contracts matter. Geography matters. If an FBS conference is a good all-around fit for App St, by all means, they should do it. For most App fans, it's about their UNC/NC State/ECU inferiority complex, but for the school it's about a lot more than that.

[eaglewraith]

Why do you think... that ever since Division I was divided into 2 subdivisions... there has been a flood of teams moving up? So much so that the NCAA recently had to institute a moratorium on teams moving up? Why isn't there a flood of teams moving down?

If mid major FBS is as awful as you make it sound... surely teams in the Sun Belt and Conference USA would be anxious to move down to FCS and the SoCon.

Actually the moratorium was to stop the flood of schools transitioning to D1 from D2 or lower to get a piece of the basketball money...but that's neither here or there.

[ASUMountaineer]

Since when is it against the rules to talk about other schools? Anyway I didn't do a statistical analysis but stand by what I said. I think it's pretty obvious but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yeah, I don't know of any rules. I just thanked you for your interest in Appalachian State athletics.

Feel free to stand by your assertion, but I think if you took a trip to the MMB you'd be surprised.

Based on the information that has been made public from the committee, I believe it is in ASU's best interest to move to the FBS assuming the right situation is presented. However, I do not believe it is in ASU's best interest to move just to be FBS. In all actuality, this is where most so-called pro-FBS'ers stand.

As to your continued generalizations about what "most" ASU fans think (or their reasons for supporting the move--inferiority complex), I couldn't disagree more.

[FurmanWins!!]

Go UNCC ;)

[FurmanWins!!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktwcn2jg4pY

[cbarrier90]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktwcn2jg4pY

You really want to play this game?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAycXbA2ZhE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2x-7n0MOvk

[PaladinFan]

Don't make me post the video again of Jerome Felton running over Corey Lynch like he was a fifth grader. I'll do it. :)

[T-Dog]

Don't make me post the video again of Jerome Felton running over Corey Lynch like he was a fifth grader. I'll do it. :)

I think he might be serious. xscanx

[AshevilleApp2]

Don't make me post the video again of Jerome Felton running over Corey Lynch like he was a fifth grader. I'll do it. :)


How about posting Felton getting stuffed on 4th and goal from the 1 after the famous Ingle slip. :)

[cbarrier90]

Don't make me post the video again of Jerome Felton running over Corey Lynch like he was a fifth grader. I'll do it. :)

I already did. It's in the second video, in addition to Felton getting stuffed on the goal line, Ingle's slip, Richie's fake pitch, and the fumble recovery to end it. :)

[PaladinFan]

How about posting Felton getting stuffed on 4th and goal from the 1 after the famous Ingle slip. :)

I'll give you that it took 11 black jerseys to stop Felton and no defenders and an ice patch to stop Martin. Still, in a long history of heartache in Boone, Felton trucking over Lynch was one bright spot.

I don't have a video of it, but one of the most memorable plays up there happened in 2004 where Furman RB Ced Gipson took a screen pass from Martin and ran about 130 yards and waterbugged over the entire field before scoring. Most impressive on that play was the Furman O-lineman that picked up something like four or five blocks over the course of the play.

[Apphole]

I'll give you that it took 11 black jerseys to stop Felton and no defenders and an ice patch to stop Martin. Still, in a long history of heartache in Boone, Felton trucking over Lynch was one bright spot.

I don't have a video of it, but one of the most memorable plays up there happened in 2004 where Furman RB Ced Gipson took a screen pass from Martin and ran about 130 yards and waterbugged over the entire field before scoring. Most impressive on that play was the Furman O-lineman that picked up something like four or five blocks over the course of the play.

Not saying Felton wasn't a beast ect, but it's not like Lynch was a huge guy. He's a DB.

[PaladinFan]

Not saying Felton wasn't a beast ect, but it's not like Lynch was a huge guy. He's a DB.

That's true. It was a testament to the type of player gritty player Lynch was that he even stood in there against him. I saw plenty of runs where defensive players wanted no part of Felton.

Still, it was one of those rare times when you get to see two All-American players in open field square up on one another.

[T-Dog]

I'll give you that it took 11 black jerseys to stop Felton and no defenders and an ice patch to stop Martin. Still, in a long history of heartache in Boone, Felton trucking over Lynch was one bright spot.

You still believe that? He pivoted with the wrong foot. Simple as that.


I don't have a video of it, but one of the most memorable plays up there happened in 2004 where Furman RB Ced Gipson took a screen pass from Martin and ran about 130 yards and waterbugged over the entire field before scoring. Most impressive on that play was the Furman O-lineman that picked up something like four or five blocks over the course of the play.

I remember that play. Blew a few gaskets on that one. xmadx