AGS Top 25 Week 6 Results

[AGSPoll]

AGS Top 25 Results October-10-2011

Week 6 Poll Results
1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2199 51
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2152 20
3 North Dakota State Bison 2048 13
4 Montana State Bobcats 1989 2
5 Wofford Terriers 1978 4
6 New Hampshire Wildcats 1798 0
7 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1648 1
8 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1548
9 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1464
10 Maine Black Bears 1436
11 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1387
12 James Madison Dukes 1259
13 Montana Grizzlies 1193
14 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1100
15 Towson Tigers 937
16 South Dakota Coyotes 810
17 Indiana State Sycamores 754
18 Old Dominion Monarchs 667
19 William & Mary Tribe 380
20 Richmond Spiders 373
21 Norfolk State Spartans 329
22 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 274
23 McNeese State Cowboys 269
24 Liberty Flames 227
25 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 209


Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears

Most Significant Loss: William & Mary Tribe

Others recieving votes:
26 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 190
27 Chattanooga Mocs 154
28 Southern Illinois Salukis 146
29 Sacramento State Hornets 115
30 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 110
31 Alabama State Hornets 77
32 Harvard Crimson 75
33 Portland State Vikings 39
34 Furman Paladins 33
35 Elon Phoenix 29
36T Cal Poly Mustangs 21
36T Brown Bears 21
38 Samford Bulldogs 19
39 South Carolina State Bulldogs 18
40 Delaware State Hornets 16

[Professor Chaos]

Good to see 3 ranked teams from the Dakotas. And the haters said we couldn't support 4 D1 universities :D

Also suprised to still see 8 CAA teams in the top 20. Richmond and W&M are looking pretty shaky to still be ranked IMO.

[Twentysix]

Isn't it week 7? Should be the poll for week 6.

[danefan]

AGS Top 25 Results October-10-2011

Week 6 Poll Results
1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2199 51
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2152 20
3 North Dakota State Bison 2048 13
4 Montana State Bobcats 1989 2
5 Wofford Terriers 1978 4
6 New Hampshire Wildcats 1798 0
7 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1648 1
8 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1548
9 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1464
10 Maine Black Bears 1436
11 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1387
12 James Madison Dukes 1259
13 Montana Grizzlies 1193
14 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1100
15 Towson Tigers 937
16 South Dakota Coyotes 810
17 Indiana State Sycamores 754
18 Old Dominion Monarchs 667
19 William & Mary Tribe 380
20 Richmond Spiders 373
21 Norfolk State Spartans 329
22 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 274
23 McNeese State Cowboys 269
24 Liberty Flames 227
25 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 209


Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears

Most Significant Loss: William & Mary Tribe

Others recieving votes:
26 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 190
27 Chattanooga Mocs 154
28 Southern Illinois Salukis 146
29 Sacramento State Hornets 115
30 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 110
31 Alabama State Hornets 77
32 Harvard Crimson 75
33 Portland State Vikings 39
34 Furman Paladins 33
35 Elon Phoenix 29
Tie 36 Cal Poly Mustangs 21
Tie 36 Brown Bears 21
38 Samford Bulldogs 19
39 South Carolina State Bulldogs 18
40 Delaware State Hornets 16


That has to be a mis-vote intended for Delaware.

Sep 3 - W at Va Military, 24-21
Sep 10 - W vs. Shaw, 31-27
Sep 17 - L at Delaware, 0-45
Sep 24 - L at SC State, 0-69
Oct 1 - L at Florida A&M, 7-34
Oct 8 - L vs. Norfolk State, 21-38

Some poll auditing needed boys......

[UIWWildthing]

#15 :) :) :)

[jhanel]

Destroy as you will:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Wofford Terriers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Towson Tigers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Drake Bulldogs
22: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
23: San Diego Toreros
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

jhanel

[ursus arctos horribilis]

That has to be a mis-vote intended for Delaware.

Sep 3 - W at Va Military, 24-21
Sep 10 - W vs. Shaw, 31-27
Sep 17 - L at Delaware, 0-45
Sep 24 - L at SC State, 0-69
Oct 1 - L at Florida A&M, 7-34
Oct 8 - L vs. Norfolk State, 21-38

Some poll auditing needed boys......

Yes, I'm sure it is. I caught 3 of those but it appears one got through.

[Twentysix]

SD and drake just to start.

[JmuSkinsfan]

Destroy as you will:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Wofford Terriers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Towson Tigers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Drake Bulldogs
22: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
23: San Diego Toreros
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

jhanel

Maine needs to be higher ... no way JMU is below ODU and Towson. Maybe in 2 weeks ... but losing to the #1 team in the CAA in OT by 1 does not justify falling behind Towson and ODU, yet.

[frozennorth]

Drake?

[UNH Fanboi]

Maine and JMU are too low. W+M should not be ranked.

[molly]

Destroy as you will:

9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks


How do you have Tennessee-Martin ranked, but not Tennessee Tech? Tennessee Tech is 4-1, with their only loss to a FBS, and they just beat Martin on the road.

In fact, I'd argue Tennessee Tech's resume is about the same as Jacksonville St.'s. They're both 4-1. Jacksonville St.'s loss was a blowout to Chattanooga; Tennessee Tech's was a blowout to Iowa. They've each beat Tennessee-Martin and Eastern Illinois (Tech beat both on the road, while Jax St beat them at home). Jax St gets a nod for their win at Murray State. But to have them as a top 10 team, and not rank Tech, seems off to me.

[WileECoyote06]

This poll looks a lot better than last week's poll. I gotta wonder how Delaware State can get votes, and Jackson State doesn't.

Congrats to Coastal Carolina, Norfolk State, and North Dakota!

[PantherRob82]

Only real issue I see is W&M. They should not be ranked, let alone that high.

[superman7515]

How do you have Tennessee-Martin ranked, but not Tennessee Tech? Tennessee Tech is 4-1, with their only loss to a FBS, and they just beat Martin on the road.

In fact, I'd argue Tennessee Tech's resume is about the same as Jacksonville St.'s. They're both 4-1. Jacksonville St.'s loss was a blowout to Chattanooga; Tennessee Tech's was a blowout to Iowa. They've each beat Tennessee-Martin and Eastern Illinois (Tech beat both on the road, while Jax St beat them at home). Jax St gets a nod for their win at Murray State. But to have them as a top 10 team, and not rank Tech, seems off to me.

I brought this same thing up when I noticed that Jackson State was getting more votes than Alabama State.
Jackson State has only one loss, to Alabama State, at Jackson State.
Alabama State has one loss, to a FBS team.
How could you reasonably vote Jackson State higher than Alabama State?

[TypicalTribe]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Towson Tigers
9: Maine Black Bears
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Old Dominion Monarchs
16: Indiana State Sycamores
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: Liberty Flames
19: Norfolk State Spartans
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Portland State Vikings
23: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
24: William & Mary Tribe
25: Harvard Crimson

Similar to last week, I find it hard to fill out the bottom five spots. Just not enough teams with decent wins at this point. Tribe will be long gone after most likely losing to UNH this Saturday.

[TTUEagles]

We'll pretty much have settled the "should TN TECH be ranked at all" debate after their game at Jacksonville St. on Oct. 29. Of course, they'll have to get by TSU first which rolled 55-3 over SEMO Saturday.

[ElonPride]

Destroy as you will:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Wofford Terriers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Towson Tigers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Drake Bulldogs
22: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
23: San Diego Toreros
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

jhanel

Thanks for the props, but Elon in the top 25???

[RabidRabbit]

Destroy as you will:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles - Two SOCons 1-2?
2: Wofford Terriers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Towson Tigers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Indiana State Sycamores - Trees should be higher.
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Drake Bulldogs - Pioneer No schollies, loss to Sioux
22: North Dakota Fighting Sioux - TOOO Many non-counters /FBS no way making 7 D-I wins.
23: San Diego Toreros
24: Elon Phoenix Who in top 25 or FBS has the Phoenix beat?
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks Should this be TN Tech at 5-1? IMO, Tech is #2 in the OVC right now.
jhanel

No MEAC, SWAC, Big South, Ivy. Tough to pick since CAA is so balanced this year, and few/no obvious deficient teams.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Towson Tigers
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Appalachian State Mountaineers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Norfolk State Spartans
22: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Liberty Flames

I feel better about this week's vote than any so far, though there are still plenty of questions out there.

[crusader11]

Anyone have Samford in their top 25? A win over Furman and close losses to GA Southern and Wofford are impressive. With a dearth of deserving teams in the 20-25 range, Samford crept into my top 25 this week.

[crusader11]

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Towson Tigers
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Appalachian State Mountaineers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Norfolk State Spartans
22: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Liberty Flames

I feel better about this week's vote than any so far, though there are still plenty of questions out there.

Thanks for the love, but I don't think we're a top 25 team right now. What happened to that great offensive show we put on against UNH?

[darell1976]

#22!!!!!!!!!!!!! xthumbsupxxhurrayxxhurrayx

[bincitysioux]

Here's mine to be raked across the coals................

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: Towson Tigers
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Old Dominion Monarchs
20: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Norfolk State Spartans
23: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Harvard Crimson

[NDB]

We are now in the 7th week of the season.

How do you justify ranking a team with one win against a Division I scholarship program at #20?

[darell1976]

We are now in the 7th week of the season.

How do you justify ranking a team with one win against a Division I scholarship program at #20?

Why do you hate UND that much?

[darell1976]

My poll..to be crusified.

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: James Madison Dukes
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Towson Tigers
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: William & Mary Tribe
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Old Dominion Monarchs
21: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
22: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
23: Liberty Flames
24: Norfolk State Spartans
25: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers

[F'N Hawks]

We are now in the 7th week of the season.

How do you justify ranking a team with one win against a Division I scholarship program at #20?

For those playing along, the NDSU media and fan base have now officially questioned the intelligence of the Anygivensaturday poll voters AND the FCS coaches poll voters regarding UND being in the poll. I am sure they are appalled by the TSN poll also.

Next step is a full FBI led investigation.

xrolleyesx

[bincitysioux]

We are now in the 7th week of the season.

How do you justify ranking a team with one win against a Division I scholarship program at #20?

Because due to their schedule, I couldn't justify ranking them any higher..................

[darell1976]

Because due to their schedule, I couldn't justify ranking them any higher..................

xlolxxlolx

[FargoBison]

My poll..to be crusified.

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: James Madison Dukes
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Towson Tigers
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: William & Mary Tribe
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Old Dominion Monarchs
21: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
22: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
23: Liberty Flames
24: Norfolk State Spartans
25: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers

Looks fine to me....

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Because due to their schedule, I couldn't justify ranking them any higher..................

That's fantastic. Well done.xlolx

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

My poll..to be crusified.
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: New Hampshire Wildcats

11: James Madison Dukes
13: Maine Black Bears


????????

[unigriff]

Looks fine to me....

Would make for an epic game in Fargo in a couple weeks.

[TwoFeathers]

Here's mine to be raked across the coals................

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: Towson Tigers
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Old Dominion Monarchs
20: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Norfolk State Spartans
23: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Harvard Crimson

Mocs lose, and they move up 7?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Mocs lose, and they move up 7?

They moved down on his ballot, not up. How did you get that they moved up 7?

[TwoFeathers]

They moved down on his ballot, not up. How did you get that they moved up 7?

Right... I'm crossing my polls.

[Mattymc727]

I think Maine should be 6, and UNH 7

[SU DOG]

Anyone have Samford in their top 25? A win over Furman and close losses to GA Southern and Wofford are impressive. With a dearth of deserving teams in the 20-25 range, Samford crept into my top 25 this week.

Crusader11 is a very logical, astute, and intelligent poster.

[NDB]

For those playing along, the NDSU media and fan base have now officially questioned the intelligence of the Anygivensaturday poll voters AND the FCS coaches poll voters regarding UND being in the poll. I am sure they are appalled by the TSN poll also.

Next step is a full FBI led investigation.

xrolleyesx

No. The Fargo media wondered why NDSU dropped 6 spots during a bye week while UND went from getting no votes to #21 after a loss.

I question the intelligence of anyone who has voted for UND.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

No. The Fargo media wondered why NDSU dropped 6 spots during a bye week while UND went from getting no votes to #21 after a loss.

I question the intelligence of anyone who has voted for UND.

Feel free to do so cuz those are the same people that voted NDSU in top 5 type spots.

[No_Skill]

Feel free to do so cuz those are the same people that voted NDSU in top 5 type spots.

Exactly! We should be top 3!

:P


...for the record I have no issue with UND in the top 25 at this point.

[FargoBison]

Yeah, as a poll voter once you get past 17 or 18 things start to get tough and when I got to 24 and 25 I almost didn't want to rank anyone because I didn't think either team I voted for deserved it yet.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

What I came up with....I should have kept Indiana State ranked...

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Wofford Terriers
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Towson Tigers
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: Liberty Flames
18: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Old Dominion Monarchs
21: Norfolk State Spartans
22: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
23: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
24: Brown Bears
25: Sacramento State Hornets

[crusader11]

24: Brown Bears


Should be Harvard instead, no?

[crusader11]

Crusader11 is a very logical, astute, and intelligent poster.

I do my best, DOG.

[DaBigBlue]

Congrats to the 7 ranked teams from Virginia.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

And a hearty congrats to Montana and North Dakota as well for having 100% of their teams ranked.xlolx

[Twentysix]

I forsee a future when all monkota's are ranked in the top 25 of TSN/Coaches/AGS/CS polls.

[JMUNJ08]

And a hearty congrats to Montana and North Dakota as well for having 100% of their teams ranked.xlolx

Virginia is stuck with VMI...I love the Keydets but that is a tough task for us to run the table....

[JMUNJ08]

We are now in the 7th week of the season.

How do you justify ranking a team with one win against a Division I scholarship program at #20?

Not in my poll...I like the Southern Utah win but they are now 3-3 and barely ranked in my poll...NOTHING else of substance...

Problem is, there weren't any that you could 100% say are better. I went with Alabama St. instead as they are 5-1 (5 D1 wins) with their only loss by 7pts to FBS E. Michigan.

[th0m]

Congrats to the 7 ranked teams from Virginia.

Am I missing one? I'm only counting 6: JMU, ODU, W&M, Richmond, Norfolk State, Liberty

[HensRock]

Am I missing one? I'm only counting 6: JMU, ODU, W&M, Richmond, Norfolk State, Liberty

No, You are correct. There are only 6.

[TwoFeathers]

Am I missing one? I'm only counting 6: JMU, ODU, W&M, Richmond, Norfolk State, Liberty

Even so, all the following are within about 2hrs from one another: JMU, ODU, W&M, Richmond, Nortolk State. High concentration of quality football.

[coastalalum]

all the following are within about 2hrs from one another: JMU, ODU, W&M, Richmond, Nortolk State.

as a virginia boy myself, i'll jump on the bandwagon. not to mention that my alma mater is starting to get some love in the polls as well. however, if you can get from the norfolk area schools to harrisonburg in "about 2 hours", remind me to never ride in a car with you. xnonox

[Strommer10]

Week 6 Poll Results
1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2199 51
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2152 20
3 North Dakota State Bison 2048 13
4 Montana State Bobcats 1989 2
5 Wofford Terriers 1978 4

Top 5 are pretty interchangable in my mind. I wouldn't have a problem with any order of these teams. I do feel that there is a drop off after #5 to NH, Maine, etc.

[msupokes1]

Week 6 Poll Results
1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2199 51
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2152 20
3 North Dakota State Bison 2048 13
4 Montana State Bobcats 1989 2
5 Wofford Terriers 1978 4

Top 5 are pretty interchangable in my mind. I wouldn't have a problem with any order of these teams. I do feel that there is a drop off after #5 to NH, Maine, etc.

I think Maine could be in the conversation. They have the misfortune of starting the season unranked but in my opinion have a better resume than UNI right now. They have beat two top ten teams and their only loss is to Pitt.

[Strommer10]

I think Maine could be in the conversation. They have the misfortune of starting the season unranked but in my opinion have a better resume than UNI right now. They have beat two top ten teams and their only loss is to Pitt.

I agree that Maine should be higher than #10. But I don't see them in the top 5. Right now I would put them around 7 with UNH & SHSU.

[Strommer10]

gee, and how can we prove this with some facts?

maybe if you showed the significant drop-off in the amount of points for positions 6-10, compared to 1-5, you might be able to underscore your point:

Week 6 Poll Results
1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2199 51
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2152 20
3 North Dakota State Bison 2048 13
4 Montana State Bobcats 1989 2
5 Wofford Terriers 1978 4
6 New Hampshire Wildcats 1798 0
7 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1648 1
8 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1548
9 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1464
10 Maine Black Bears 1436

Exactly, the poll is all the proof you need.

[BisonFan02]

Exactly, the poll is all the proof you need.

Not really. You could argue by the poll it drops off over a hundred between UNI and NDSU too. Too me, 1-7 are all in striking distance (week-to-week depending on what happens) with 8-10 on the doorstep.

[WrenFGun]

Week 6 Poll Results
1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2199 51
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2152 20
3 North Dakota State Bison 2048 13
4 Montana State Bobcats 1989 2
5 Wofford Terriers 1978 4

Top 5 are pretty interchangable in my mind. I wouldn't have a problem with any order of these teams. I do feel that there is a drop off after #5 to NH, Maine, etc.

Don't want to single you out, but why?

Ga. Southern Wins: Samford, Tusculum (non-counter), Western Carolina, @ Elon, and Chatty (by 1 point)
Wofford Wins: Presby (by 7), Samford, Appalachian State, Citadel (close loss to Clemson)
North Dakota State Wins: Lafayette, St. Francis, Minnesota (by double digits), Illinois State and SIU
Montana State Wins: UC Davis, Minot State (non-counter), EWU, Sac State, Portland State (by 2)
UNI Wins: Stephen F. Austin, WIU, Mizzou State, Indiana State (1 point loss to Iowa State)

Now, for the CAA homer in Me:

Maine: Bryant, Albany, Delaware, JMU (6 point loss to Pittsburgh)
UNH: Lehigh, Richmond, Holy Cross, Villanova (Blown out by Toledo)

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If you're ranking on Resumes, how do you rank those?

For me:

1. NDSU (Undefeated with an FBS win and ok win over SIU ... could make the argument for Maine here, though).
2. Maine (wins over ranked JMU on the road, and UD, along with 6 point loss to Pitt)
3. UNH (wins over ranked Lehigh and Richmond, both on road. HC is a pretty significant third win)
4. Wofford (wins over Appalachian State and Samford)
5. UNI (best win over Indiana State, plus Iowa State nailbiter)
6. Montana State (best win over 4 loss EWU or Sac State?)
7. Georgia Southern (best win over a questionable Elon team?)

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I don't think people should agree with me, but if you really look at these resumes, why is Georgia Southern #1? Even if you want to dismiss CAA, Wofford is a better call there, IMO. FYI, I don't vote.

[TwoFeathers]

as a virginia boy myself, i'll jump on the bandwagon. not to mention that my alma mater is starting to get some love in the polls as well. however, if you can get from the norfolk area schools to harrisonburg in "about 2 hours", remind me to never ride in a car with you. xnonox

Good point... I was thinking from Richmond as the center. About 3 1/2 from Norfolk to Harrisonburg ;)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Don't want to single you out, but why?

Ga. Southern Wins: Samford, Tusculum (non-counter), Western Carolina, @ Elon, and Chatty (by 1 point)
Wofford Wins: Presby (by 7), Samford, Appalachian State, Citadel (close loss to Clemson)
North Dakota State Wins: Lafayette, St. Francis, Minnesota (by double digits), Illinois State and SIU
Montana State Wins: UC Davis, Minot State (non-counter), EWU, Sac State, Portland State (by 2)
UNI Wins: Stephen F. Austin, WIU, Mizzou State, Indiana State (1 point loss to Iowa State)

Now, for the CAA homer in Me:

Maine: Bryant, Albany, Delaware, JMU (6 point loss to Pittsburgh)
UNH: Lehigh, Richmond, Holy Cross, Villanova (Blown out by Toledo)

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If you're ranking on Resumes, how do you rank those?

For me:

1. NDSU (Undefeated with an FBS win and ok win over SIU ... could make the argument for Maine here, though).
2. Maine (wins over ranked JMU on the road, and UD, along with 6 point loss to Pitt)
3. UNH (wins over ranked Lehigh and Richmond, both on road. HC is a pretty significant third win)
4. Wofford (wins over Appalachian State and Samford)
5. UNI (best win over Indiana State, plus Iowa State nailbiter)
6. Montana State (best win over 4 loss EWU or Sac State?)
7. Georgia Southern (best win over a questionable Elon team?)

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I don't think people should agree with me, but if you really look at these resumes, why is Georgia Southern #1? Even if you want to dismiss CAA, Wofford is a better call there, IMO. FYI, I don't vote.

Based on resumes though I think you make a real good case there.

[PantherRob82]

GSU's best win is UT-C. Record wise they may not blow you away, but besides blowing the Citadel game they have proven to be a tough opponent.

[UNIFanSince1983]

If you are giving Wofford a good win for beating Samford you better give GSU a good win for beating Samford too.

[Walkon79]

Don't want to single you out, but why?

Montana State Wins: UC Davis, Minot State (non-counter), EWU, Sac State, Portland State (by 2)

Now, for the CAA homer in Me:

Maine: Bryant, Albany, Delaware, JMU (6 point loss to Pittsburgh)
UNH: Lehigh, Richmond, Holy Cross, Villanova (Blown out by Toledo)

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If you're ranking on Resumes, how do you rank those?

For me:

1. NDSU (Undefeated with an FBS win and ok win over SIU ... could make the argument for Maine here, though).
2. Maine (wins over ranked JMU on the road, and UD, along with 6 point loss to Pitt)
3. UNH (wins over ranked Lehigh and Richmond, both on road. HC is a pretty significant third win)
4. Wofford (wins over Appalachian State and Samford)
5. UNI (best win over Indiana State, plus Iowa State nailbiter)
6. Montana State (best win over 4 loss EWU or Sac State?)7. Georgia Southern (best win over a questionable Elon team?)

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I don't think people should agree with me, but if you really look at these resumes, why is Georgia Southern #1? Even if you want to dismiss CAA, Wofford is a better call there, IMO. FYI, I don't vote.

Both of which were in the top 25 when we beat them, and then went on the road against an undefeated BSC team and won. I know it was 2 points at the end, but we also had 2 punts blocked and lost a pooch kick at the end. Take away the special teams mistakes and we dominated a very good Portland State. I think the Cats resume stacks up with any of the top 5.

[Walkon79]

And by-the-way, I think EWU has an excellent chance to run the table and be the third BSC entry into the playoffs when this is all said and done.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

And by-the-way, I think EWU has an excellent chance to run the table and be the third BSC entry into the playoffs when this is all said and done.

Agree. They have no margin for error but they are a very good team and may do it.

[Twentysix]

Both of which were in the top 25 when we beat them, and then went on the road against an undefeated BSC team and won. I know it was 2 points at the end, but we also had 2 punts blocked and lost a pooch kick at the end. Take away the special teams mistakes and we dominated a very good Portland State. I think the Cats resume stacks up with any of the top 5.

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[URMite]

Both of which were in the top 25 when we beat them, and then went on the road against an undefeated BSC team and won. I know it was 2 points at the end, but we also had 2 punts blocked and lost a pooch kick at the end. Take away the special teams mistakes and we dominated a very good Portland State. I think the Cats resume stacks up with any of the top 5.

I don't think earlier ranking should specifically bolster your case, unless something has changed on the team you played that caused their drop in ranking. For instance, if you had played EWU in the 1st game last year and then Taiwan Jones was injured the rest of the year. Then saying they were ranked when we played them would matter.

FYI My top 3 are GSU, UNI, MSU.

What is the proper way to rank teams by who they did beat or lost to or by how they played while doing it? If there were two undefeated teams and one looked solid throughout each of their games but had only played one ranked team, while the other only played well in stretches but had won close games over 2 ranked opponents, who should be the higher ranked team?

[WrenFGun]

I think what troubles me here is that if you replaced "UNH" and "Maine" with "JMU" "Richmond" "Delaware" or "William and Mary" (and they had the same resume that UNH or Maine had) I have no doubt those teams would be in the top 5 based on quality of wins.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I think what troubles me here is that if you replaced "UNH" and "Maine" with "JMU" "Richmond" "Delaware" or "William and Mary" (and they had the same resume that UNH or Maine had) I have no doubt those teams would be in the top 5 based on quality of wins.

I don't think so. UNH may have had that problem in 2003 or prior but since then they are more of a staple in the polls and at least as known if not better known to the voters than all but maybe Delaware.

Maine, you may have some traction on but no way on UNH.

[Fear the Bird]

I think what troubles me here is that if you replaced "UNH" and "Maine" with "JMU" "Richmond" "Delaware" or "William and Mary" (and they had the same resume that UNH or Maine had) I have no doubt those teams would be in the top 5 based on quality of wins.

Disagree - as mentioned before - I think they were treated unfairly for getting rocked by Toledo and I think any CAA team would have been treated the same - their #6 rankings is more a result of dropping after that loss and nobody in today's top 5 faltering (with the exception of Wofford impressing their way in).

[WrenFGun]

Disagree - as mentioned before - I think they were treated unfairly for getting rocked by Toledo and I think any CAA team would have been treated the same - their #6 rankings is more a result of dropping after that loss and nobody in today's top 5 faltering (with the exception of Wofford impressing their way in).

Is Wofford's win over Appalachian State more impressive than UNH's win over Lehigh (Nevermind Richmond and Holy Cross) or Maine's wins over UD and JMU? That doesn't pass the sniff test to me. If you're arguing the impressive performance against Clemson, shouldn't Maine get the same treatment and then some for a better resume?

[Fear the Bird]

Yes Wofford's win over App is more impressive than a 48-41 win over Lehigh that they maybe should not have won

When did Maine enter this discussion? I thought we were talking about UNH not being respected

[UNIFanSince1983]

The problem is where they were ranked in the preseason. Maine wasn't at all, and I am pretty sure Wofford was in the Top 10 (off top of my head without looking back). Sure Maine's resume looks good, and this is exactly why there shouldn't be preseason polls. There shouldn't be polls until probably about week 4 or 5. All in all it doesn't matter. We will find out who is who when the playoffs come around.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yes Wofford's win over App is more impressive than a 48-41 win over Lehigh that they maybe should not have won

When did Maine enter this discussion? I thought we were talking about UNH not being respected

Agree.

He did mention Maine & UNH and tried to link them as the disrespected lil' brothers. Maine I can go with a little, not UNH.

[soccerguy315]

stop voting for W&M, seriously guys. We can't move the ball against anyone.

[molly]

Disagree - as mentioned before - I think they were treated unfairly for getting rocked by Toledo and I think any CAA team would have been treated the same - their #6 rankings is more a result of dropping after that loss and nobody in today's top 5 faltering (with the exception of Wofford impressing their way in).

I agree that they were probably treated unfairly for the Toledo game, but I disagree that any CAA team would have been treated the same. W&M got rocked 40-3 by UVA, but barely dropped at all. While UVA is in the ACC, I don't think people really see them as better than Toledo, yet W&M wasn't punished like UNH.

Personally, I haven't put UNH in the top 5 because of their games against Lehigh and Richmond. Although they won, those games reinforced the major impression I took away from the Toledo game -- UNH's secondary can't stop anyone (until they play W&M on Sat).

[Mattymc727]

as a UNH fan, I dont think UNH is disrespected at all. We got smoked by a good FBS team, and easily could have lossed all three games against Lehigh, Richmond, and even Holy Cross. Presonally, I dont care where we are ranked. I remember being ranked number 1 in 2005, what did that do for us? I would rather UNH be disrespected in the polls and keep winning all the way to the NC rather than us peaking at number 1 mid season and watch us bow out in the second round again. Yes, a playoff seed and homefield would be nice, but the NCAA doesnt want to play any playoff games at cowell unless they have to.

[PantherRob82]

We got smoked by a good FBS team, and easily could have lossed all three games against Lehigh, Richmond, and even Holy Cross.

I'm dropping you guys 8 slots for having to read that. :D

[unigriff]

I agree that they were probably treated unfairly for the Toledo game, but I disagree that any CAA team would have been treated the same. W&M got rocked 40-3 by UVA, but barely dropped at all. While UVA is in the ACC, I don't think people really see them as better than Toledo, yet W&M wasn't punished like UNH.

Personally, I haven't put UNH in the top 5 because of their games against Lehigh and Richmond. Although they won, those games reinforced the major impression I took away from the Toledo game -- UNH's secondary can't stop anyone (until they play W&M on Sat).

siiigh 2005...the year that shoulda been. Darn fumbles.