Colgate wins the PL lacrosse title!

[colgate13]

Beating Bucknell today 8-6 (http://www.colgateraiders.com/News/mlax/2006/4/23/MLX_20060423.asp?path=mlax), Colgate grabs a share of its first ever men's PL lax title with Navy, and has the tiebreaker with Navy in hand. So we host the four team tournamment this weekend! It's Colgate vs. Army and Lehigh vs. Navy on tap.

For those not following lacrosse too closely, the Patriot league is at worst the 3rd best lacrosse conference in the land and making serious strides upward. Colgate is a team on the move as well now that we give scholarships. After the PL tournament, we host national powerhouse Syracuse at Andy Kerr Stadium (need to fit the SU crowd!) to close out the year. That will be a HUGE barometer test for where the Raiders are actually at.

[ngineer]

Beating Bucknell today 8-6 (http://www.colgateraiders.com/News/mlax/2006/4/23/MLX_20060423.asp?path=mlax), Colgate grabs a share of its first ever men's PL lax title with Navy, and has the tiebreaker with Navy in hand. So we host the four team tournamment this weekend! It's Colgate vs. Army and Lehigh vs. Navy on tap.

For those not following lacrosse too closely, the Patriot league is at worst the 3rd best lacrosse conference in the land and making serious strides upward. Colgate is a team on the move as well now that we give scholarships. After the PL tournament, we host national powerhouse Syracuse at Andy Kerr Stadium (need to fit the SU crowd!) to close out the year. That will be a HUGE barometer test for where the Raiders are actually at.

Congrats there 13! Yes Colgate's emergence was quite sudden this year. Thought you were another year away; but no question the PL is becoming a power. Bucknell--the other perennial must be spinning not even making the playoffs. I guess Lehgh finishe #3 seed having beaten Army earlier. Unfortunately, we have to go to Annapolis on Friday. Should be an exciting weekend. LU went down to Baltimore today to play #17 Notre Dame and lost 10-7; but a good tune up for a tougher Navy team. Good luck with Army--I'll keep my fingers crossed for a Colgate-Lehigh final on Sunday!:D

[89Hen]

For those not following lacrosse too closely, the Patriot league is at worst the 3rd best lacrosse conference in the land
:eyebrow: Dunno about that 13. I'd put the PL fifth right now behind ACC, Ivy, ECAC and CAA in that order.

Current power rankings....
1 Virginia ACC
2 Cornell IVY
3 Hofstra CAA
4 Maryland ACC
5 Princeton IVY
6 Duke ACC
7 Massachusetts ECAC
8 Georgetown ECAC
9 Johns Hopkins Indy
10 Syracuse Indy
11 Navy PL
12 Harvard IVY
13 Pennsylvania IVY
14 Towson CAA
15 Denver GWLL
16 Penn State ECAC
17 Loyola ECAC
18 Notre Dame GWLL
19 UMBC AEC
20 Delaware CAA

[colgate13]

:eyebrow: Dunno about that 13. I'd put the PL fifth right now behind ACC, Ivy, ECAC and CAA in that order.

Current power rankings....
1 Virginia ACC
2 Cornell IVY
3 Hofstra CAA
4 Maryland ACC
5 Princeton IVY
6 Duke ACC
7 Massachusetts ECAC
8 Georgetown ECAC
9 Johns Hopkins Indy
10 Syracuse Indy
11 Navy PL
12 Harvard IVY
13 Pennsylvania IVY
14 Towson CAA
15 Denver GWLL
16 Penn State ECAC
17 Loyola ECAC
18 Notre Dame GWLL
19 UMBC AEC
20 Delaware CAA

USILA rankings (http://www.usila.org/polls.html):

1 Virginia ACC
2 Hofstra CAA
3 Maryland ACC
4 Navy PL
5 Cornell IVY
6 Princeton IVY
7 Georgetown ECAC
8 Massachusetts ECAC
9 Syracuse Indy
10 Pennsylvania IVY
11 Towson CAA
12 Johns Hopkins Indy
13 Penn State ECAC
14 Denver GWLL
15 UMBC AEC
16 Loyola ECAC
17 Harvard Ivy
18 Army PL
19 Notre Dame GWLL
20 Colgate PL

I count 4 ECAC, 4 Ivy and 3 PL. Add to that the fact that a team missing our tournament has beaten #3 Maryland of the ACC, and I'll stand by my claim. I also think the PL is better than the CAA.

Give the PL another 3 years and we'll be ahead of the Ivy too IMO.

[89Hen]

I count 4 ECAC, 4 Ivy and 3 PL.
Army at 18 is a joke. Outside of the PL they are 2-3 with wins over Stony Brook and Rutgers, and losses to Cuse, Cornell (13-1) and Hofstra. Colgate has zero wins over ranked teams OOC (only game was a 14-5 loss to Denver). If you want to be considered to be one of the better conferences you'll have to start scheduling some better teams. :twocents:

[colgate13]

If you want to be considered to be one of the better conferences you'll have to start scheduling some better teams. :twocents:

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Navy over North Carolina.
Bucknell over then #1 Maryland.
Army over Rutgers.
Navy over then #4 Maryland.
Bucknell over then #13 Penn State.
Army over Stony Brook.

Aside from Hofstra, can you point out the more impressive CAA OOC wins this year? Towson over Loyola and UMBC. Anything else?

The CAA is a two team league of Hofstra and Towson. The Patriot is now a 5 team league of Army, Navy, Colgate, Bucknell and Lehigh. I'll take us over the CAA any day of the week.

[ngineer]

Army at 18 is a joke. Outside of the PL they are 2-3 with wins over Stony Brook and Rutgers, and losses to Cuse, Cornell (13-1) and Hofstra. Colgate has zero wins over ranked teams OOC (only game was a 14-5 loss to Denver). If you want to be considered to be one of the better conferences you'll have to start scheduling some better teams. :twocents:

I agree with 13--in 2-3 more years, at the rate the PL has been improving we will be ahead of the Ivy. I think the Ivy may have some better individual teams, but on the whole, I think the PL is a stronger league. Only Holy Cross was lousy this year, Bucknell a usual contender, couldn't even make the playoffs this year.

[89Hen]

The CAA is a two team league of Hofstra and Towson. The Patriot is now a 5 team league of Army, Navy, Colgate, Bucknell and Lehigh.
:confused: You're the one who made the claim to be #3, not me. I'm not saying the Hens are world beaters, but....

Delaware 10 - Lehigh 9
Delaware 10 - Rutgers 6 (I wasn't going to count that as a quality, but you did)
Delaware 18 - #18 Albany 11

So how is the CAA a two team conference while you give the PL credit for five teams? The PL is BEHIND the ACC, IVY and ECAC without a doubt and IMO is at best even with the CAA, meaning the PL is not the third best conference at worst.

[colgate13]

The PL is BEHIND the ACC, IVY and ECAC without a doubt and IMO is at best even with the CAA, meaning the PL is not the third best conference at worst.

The ACC is a joke of a lacrosse conference - not because there are bad teams but because there are only 4 of them! How can you have a conference of 4 teams??? But that's besides the point when head to head two PL teams have defeated Maryland.

The ECAC has some good teams and the Ivy does have our number - for now. That's what I'm saying. :nod:

[89Hen]

The ACC is a joke of a lacrosse conference - not because there are bad teams but because there are only 4 of them! How can you have a conference of 4 teams???
Easily. NCAA Men's Lacrosse Championship Game..

1971 Cornell 12-6 Maryland
1972 Virginia 13-12 Johns Hopkins
1973 Maryland 10-9 (2OT) Johns Hopkins
1974 Johns Hopkins 17-12 Maryland
1975 Maryland 20-13 Navy
1976 Cornell 16-13 (OT) Maryland
1977 Cornell 16-8 Johns Hopkins
1978 Johns Hopkins 13-8 Cornell
1979 Johns Hopkins 15-9 Maryland
1980 Johns Hopkins 9-8 (2OT) Virginia
1981 North Carolina 14-13 Johns Hopkins
1982 North Carolina 7-5 Johns Hopkins
1983 Syracuse 17-16 Johns Hopkins
1984 Johns Hopkins 13-10 Syracuse
1985 Johns Hopkins 11-4 Syracuse
1986 North Carolina 10-9 (OT) Virginia
1987 Johns Hopkins 11-10 Cornell
1988 Syracuse 13-8 Cornell
1989 Syracuse 13-12 Johns Hopkins
1990 Syracuse* 21-9 Loyola (Md.)
1991 North Carolina 18-13 Towson
1992 Princeton 10-9 (2OT) Syracuse
1993 Syracuse 13-12 North Carolina
1994 Princeton 9-8 (OT) Virginia
1995 Syracuse 13-9 Maryland
1996 Princeton 13-12 (OT) Virginia
1997 Princeton 19-7 Maryland
1998 Princeton 15-5 Maryland
1999 Virginia 12-10 Syracuse
2000 Syracuse 13-7 Princeton
2001 Princeton 10-9 (OT) Syracuse
2002 Syracuse 13-12 Princeton
2003 Virginia 9-7 Johns Hopkins
2004 Syracuse 14-13 Navy
2005 Johns Hopkins 9-8 Duke

Next question.

[colgate13]

Next question.
This is funny considering how often the A-10 is thrown around as so good top to bottom and the SoCon is dismissed as 3 teams and no one else. Same reasoning here! Duke's recent success (and subsequent failing off the field) has meant the ACC consists of Virginia and Maryland for more than a decade. That's it. Heck, all of the lacrosse world has basically been UVA, Maryland, Princeton and SU for a long time!

Even still - the PL has the ACC's number so far this year. I think the trend will continue too.

(this is even better though because the two AGS members that most hate to admit they are wrong are going head to head! I bet you and I could go all day. :))

[SunCoastBlueHen]

(this is even better though because the two AGS members that most hate to admit they are wrong are going head to head! I bet you and I could go all day. :))

Damn, you beat me to it!:D This could be a heavyweight prize fight...

Did you both captain the debate team in High School?

[89Hen]

This is funny considering how often the A-10 is thrown around as so good top to bottom and the SoCon is dismissed as 3 teams and no one else. Same reasoning here!
:confused: :confused: :confused: EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the ACC has played for the national championship in the last nine years! How much more top to bottom can you get?! It would seem that two trips to the finals by Navy spread out over 30 years is it for the PL. Too bad the ACC doesn't have teams like Holy Cross and Lafayette to make a six team conference, then I guess you'd consider it to be a better conference. :confused:


!And yes, I could go all day.) ;)

[colgate13]

:confused: :confused: :confused: EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the ACC has played for the national championship in the last nine years!

What have you done for me lately? I made no claim of historical dominancy. This year. This year the PL has significant wins over the ACC. The PL is rapidly increasing and this year I believe is no worse than 3rd behind the Ivy and ECAC, and depending on the playoffs might give the ECAC a run for its money!

And top to bottom is pretty easy to acheive when 75% of the conference makes the playoffs. :rolleyes: I'd consider it worse if it had some bottom feeders to take some conference lumps!

[89Hen]

What have you done for me lately? I made no claim of historical dominancy. This year. This year the PL has significant wins over the ACC. The PL is rapidly increasing and this year I believe is no worse than 3rd behind the Ivy and ECAC, and depending on the playoffs might give the ECAC a run for its money!

And top to bottom is pretty easy to acheive when 75% of the conference makes the playoffs. :rolleyes: I'd consider it worse if it had some bottom feeders to take some conference lumps!
What have you done for me lately?! How about two national championship appearances in the last three years and UVA is FAR and above the best team in the country this year and had Duke not had their off-field issue, they'd be a top 5 team as well! Top to bottom is easy to achieve when 75% of the conference makes the playoffs, but SENDING 75% of your conference to the playoffs is NOT easy to achieve. I don't think the NCAA will be beating down the door of Army and Lehigh to be in the tourney this year. xcoffeex

[Ivytalk]

I hope to attend this year's final game in Philadelphia again this year. Last year's contest between Hopkins and Duke was a thriller that drew about 50K fans to the Linc.

[ngineer]

I hope to attend this year's final game in Philadelphia again this year. Last year's contest between Hopkins and Duke was a thriller that drew about 50K fans to the Linc.

My son and I already got our tickets for the weekend. We really enjoyed it last year..a great venue!