Chattanooga vs App predictions

[SoCon48]

I'll start off:
UT-C 32 ASU 27

[Squealofthepig]

I see this as a close game.

UTC is more battle-tested than App, I think we can all agree. JSU and road game at EKU is solid; home wins vs. NC A&T and Savannah State aren't as good.

That, alone, doesn't make the Mocs superior, but it gives them an edge, especially psychologically when heading to the Rock. UTC has been challenged; App? not so much. I see the Mocs doing a lot to win this game, and I see App doing just barely enough to overcome it - like they did last year in Nooga.

[chattanoogamocs]

Usually I have a pretty good feel for games (my picks so far have been 45-14 for NU, 28-17 over JSU and 31-14 over EKU) But on this one, I absolutely have no idea...ASU is pretty much untested, but they almost never lose at home. UTC is a legit top 20 team, but this is uncharted territory for them (at least in the last 20 years...before many of these players were even born). Both teams have some great strengths and some pretty obvious weaknesses.

All I can say is that I am really excited about this game and think it's going to be hell of a battle. I know I am not going out on much of a limb, but I think with so many equals (or "cancel outs"), whoever can minimize the other teams "big plays" will pull it out late in the 4th quarter. 31-28 seems to be popular, just not sure who will get the 31.

[Squealofthepig]

All I can say is that I am really excited about this game and think it's going to be hell of a battle. I know I am not going out on much of a limb, but I think with so many equals (or "cancel outs"), whoever can minimize the other teams "big plays" will pull it out late in the 4th quarter. 31-28 seems to be popular, just not sure who will get the 31.

All I can say is - isn't that how it should be? If we all agreed on the outcome, how boring it would be! If we didn't know - what better reason to play the games?

Good luck to both App and UTC this weekend, and I hope the injury list is non-existent for both of you going forward.

[appfan2008]

ASU 31
UTC 28

[Milktruck74]

Keys to Winning

Mocs:
1. Special teams - Last year the Mocs lost by a point, and missed a few field goals and an extra point. So far this year, there have been a few short misses and a few blocks. Extra points should be gimmies...
2. Ball Control - IF the Mocs can dominate the time of possession, they can keep their shallow D-Line off the field and fresh. You can run with 3 DLs, but they will get tired if they play too much.
3. Stuff 3rd down - The Mocs D has been great on 3rd down this year (allowing 3 of 28), this trend has to continue.

App:
1. Pressure BJ - This may be the biggest key of the year. If App gets to him, they win. If not, he destroys the secondary.
2. Score Early - The Mocs D has been very good in the second half, so App needs to take advantage of the early opportunities to score....6s not 3s.
3. DP's Legs - DP needs to use his running ability to soften up the Mocs secondary. If he can get four or five 10+ yard runs, App wins.

31-28 is the popular score, but I feel it will not be as close. The spread is going to be at least 14 points.... Head pick 38-21 App.... Heart Pick 41-24 Mocs.

[SideLine Shooter]

UTC - 56
ASU - 10

[SpeedkingATL]

Going with the Apps because of home field advantage and solid kicking game.....38-37.

[ASUMountaineer]

UTC - 56
Pittsburgh Steelers - 10

FIFY

[jmufan999]

31-28 seems to be popular, just not sure who will get the 31.

Come on, dude. It's a prediction thread. Take a stand and make a pick.

ASU 37
UTC 28

[jmufan999]

Head pick 38-21 App.... Heart Pick 41-24 Mocs.

You guys are killing me with these half@$$ predictions. Which one are you going with? Head or heart?

[appfan2008]

I have a feeling that even though I threw out 31-28 there is a chance this game could be a blow out one way or the other and yes for the first time in years i am saying that an fcs team could truly come in here and kick our ***

[Go Apps]

UTC 42
ASU 28

[biggie]

So far in reality to me:

Mocs - 38
App - 31

[ElonPride]

UTC 28
App 24

[appfan2008]

a lot of asu fans picking utc... not a good sign...

[biggie]

a lot of asu fans picking utc... not a good sign...
We really don't know about App, but a lot of young people along with bland play calling is keeping hope down. Could all be shocked by a different look this week, but I'm afraid it will be more of hand the ball off up the middle.

[Skjellyfetti]

a lot of asu fans picking utc... not a good sign...

Reminds me of App fans picking Wofford last year and App fans picking Elon in 2009... etc. etc.

Our guys have a history of stepping up in big conference games at home.

I think App wins in a close one... solely because it's at the Rock... in front of what should be a packed and amped crowd. If it was at a neutral site or in Chattanooga, I'd probably pick the Moccanoogas.

[asumike83]

I think the plain vanilla ASU offense up tot his point has been intentional, the coaches have said as much in interviews on the Rivals site. I think we open up the playbook this weekend but a win is certainly not a guarantee.

I am going to play odds maker and give a full prediction: spread, over/under and just for the hell of it, attendance.

Spread: ASU -4
O/U: 60
Attendance: 29,165

[StorminASU]

I think the plain vanilla ASU offense up tot his point has been intentional, the coaches have said as much in interviews on the Rivals site. I think we open up the playbook this weekend but a win is certainly not a guarantee.

I am going to play odds maker and give a full prediction: spread, over/under and just for the hell of it, attendance.

Spread: ASU -4
O/U: 60
Attendance: 29,165

One thing I've never understood on the spread; is ASU -4 meaning we'll win by less than 4, or that ASU will be four points under the winning score? I believe it's the prior, just not 100%.

I'll take ASU -7
Over on the points and over on the attendance (hopefully everyone knows the importance of this game and has been waiting for a great home game)

[olejack]

Gosh, I'm wishy-washy. I keep thinking App in a close one, then the Mocs in a close one (heart prediction) and then Milktruck made a lot of great points and it could be App in a 14+ win. One thing is for sure though. This would be the biggest win for the Mocs in 25 years if they could pull out a win. A side note in that I have a tremendeous amout of respect and admiration for the App St football program. I remember the rivalry days of App and ETSU and really admire how far the Mountaineer program has progressed over the years. I for one am a big fan of App moving up to the FBS level and wish them all the success in the world....except for this Saturday. I hope we beat the crap out of 'em! Go Mocs!

[asumike83]

One thing I've never understood on the spread; is ASU -4 meaning we'll win by less than 4, or that ASU will be four points under the winning score? I believe it's the prior, just not 100%.

ASU -4 just means that I put ASU as a 4-point favorite and we would have to win by more than 4 to beat the spread if you put your money on ASU.

[Milktruck74]

You guys are killing me with these half@$$ predictions. Which one are you going with? Head or heart?

I'm all heart, baby!!!!!

[AppAlum2003]

I think the plain vanilla ASU offense up tot his point has been intentional, the coaches have said as much in interviews on the Rivals site. I think we open up the playbook this weekend but a win is certainly not a guarantee.

I am going to play odds maker and give a full prediction: spread, over/under and just for the hell of it, attendance.

Spread: ASU -4
O/U: 60
Attendance: 29,165

I keep holding out hope that this is the case. I think it is from a defensive standpoint (i.e. no blitzing running the 3-4) but the offense still concerns me. Does ASU have great athletes on offense? Yes. Are we probably going to see the same play-calling we saw in the Villanova game last year? Most likely. I don't think Oregon's athletes could win a game with that play-calling.

[chattownmocs]

Chattanooga's offense will move the ball and put points on the board. The only question is whether App State can match them. I think Chattanooga's offense wins over App's D and the otehr side of the ball is a stalemate. Mocs 35 App State 24. Chattanooga has a young and undersized defensive front, but the back 7 is among the best in the nation. They will continue to cover up fro the front 4 when needed. BJ throws for 350. The mocs grind out 80-100 on the ground. 35-24

[asumike83]

Chattanooga's offense will move the ball and put points on the board. The only question is whether App State can match them. I think Chattanooga's offense wins over App's D and the otehr side of the ball is a stalemate. Mocs 35 App State 24. Chattanooga has a young and undersized defensive front, but the back 7 is among the best in the nation. They will continue to cover up fro the front 4 when needed. BJ throws for 350. The mocs grind out 80-100 on the ground. 35-24

It could definitely happen. I agree that we should hold y'all to 80-100 on the ground. The only way we keep you guys under 30 is if we can get some pressure on BJ and limit the passing attack. The effectiveness of the ASU front seven is the key in my mind.

[ASUMountaineer]

ASU -4 just means that I put ASU as a 4-point favorite and we would have to win by more than 4 to beat the spread if you put your money on ASU.

Yes, it means the favored team is "giving points." So, you can bet a few ways. For example: 1) take the favored team to "cover" AKA win by 4 or more or 2) take the points and bet that the favored team does not "cover" AKA they may win, but it will be less than the spread, or the dog wins. I have never bet on a game before, but I enjoy checking lines and such. Speaking of which, does anyone know a good site that does lines for FCS games?

[asumike83]

Yes, it means the favored team is "giving points." So, you can bet a few ways. For example: 1) take the favored team to "cover" AKA win by 4 or more or 2) take the points and bet that the favored team does not "cover" AKA they may win, but it will be less than the spread, or the dog wins. I have never bet on a game before, but I enjoy checking lines and such. Speaking of which, does anyone know a good site that does lines for FCS games?

I want to say 5dimes does the FCS lines but I'm not totally sure (can't access gambling sites at work). There is a guy that usually posts them here every week. Hopefully he puts them up because I'd be very curious to see where the odds makers put the line for this one.

[ASUMountaineer]

We really don't know about App, but a lot of young people along with bland play calling is keeping hope down. Could all be shocked by a different look this week, but I'm afraid it will be more of hand the ball off up the middle.

Keep in mind that Chatty's D, especially DL, is young too. They are starting several freshmen and sophomores. On paper, it should be a tight game.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I gotta go with App State. Until Chattanooga proves they can beat someone other than an OVC team I will pick the power SoCon teams against them. It should be a decent game, but I think it being in Boone is huge.

App 35
UTC 17

[biggie]

Keep in mind that Chatty's D, especially DL, is young too. They are starting several freshmen and sophomores. On paper, it should be a tight game.
Yes, I do seem to believe that both Defenses will struggle to stop each Offense. But with bland play calling App's Offense could stop themselves.

[blueballs]

App by 10

[Milktruck74]

ASU -4 just means that I put ASU as a 4-point favorite and we would have to win by more than 4 to beat the spread if you put your money on ASU.

The line doesn't say that one team is better then the other by 4 points. Rather it is designed to make 50% of the bets fall on either side of the line. It's more about emotion than score. That's why the line moves during the week. They are trying to balance the bets. Best case for a bookie is it is a 50/50 bet because they get the juice.

[Apphole]

I say, with the weak UTC lines on both sides of the ball, we get the W. You can't win if you lose the battle in the trenches.

We control the clock because they have no answer to our running game. Our RB corps and size on O-line will capitalize on the match up. After a few long drives, mostly on the ground well see some 40-50 yard passes over the top to #8.

Our stout run defense will keep them a pass happy, one-dimensional team. This is the kind of team we always do well against. Elon only passed in 09, we owned them; Wofford only ran last year, and we did the same. The key of course is to pressure BJ. We pressured Riddle and had no problem. I don't think their O-line has to speed to consistently keep BJ of his back and I think it makes all the difference. Couple that with the Rock atmosphere, and it could get ugly.

We also have the best specialist in the Conference in Sam Martin. It's going to make it even harder for BJ and Co to operate when they have to start inside their own 5. If we play our game and utilize the atmosphere, I say we win big. If the play calling was the same as it was against Villanova and we start out behind, I'm worried.

Spread- App -12
O/U- 65
Attendance- 30,471

[Go Apps]

I say, with the weak UTC lines on both sides of the ball, we get the W. You can't win if you lose the battle in the trenches.

We control the clock because they have no answer to our running game. Our RB corps and size on O-line will capitalize on the match up. After a few long drives, mostly on the ground well see some 40-50 yard passes over the top to #8.

Our stout run defense will keep them a pass happy, one-dimensional team. This is the kind of team we always do well against. Elon only passed in 09, we owned them; Wofford only ran last year, and we did the same. The key of course is to pressure BJ. We pressured Riddle and had no problem. I don't think their O-line has to speed to consistently keep BJ of his back and I think it makes all the difference. Couple that with the Rock atmosphere, and it could get ugly.

We also have the best specialist in the Conference in Sam Martin. It's going to make it even harder for BJ and Co to operate when they have to start inside their own 5. If we play our game and utilize the atmosphere, I say we win big. If the play calling was the same as it was against Villanova and we start out behind, I'm worried.

Spread- App -12
O/U- 65
Attendance- 30,471

I was at the previous two home games and our lines should have outperformed against those two teams and they really did not at A&T I am not sure we ever got to the QB - I think we have lost our speed and UTC will be way better than the last two teams - my only hope is that JM has held back in many areas - ASU will find out very quickly what kind of year this will be by the close of next Saturday!

[Apphole]

I was at the previous two home games and our lines should have outperformed against those two teams and they really did not at A&T I am not sure we ever got to the QB - I think we have lost our speed and UTC will be way better than the last two teams - my only hope is that JM has held back in many areas - ASU will find out very quickly what kind of year this will be by the close of next Saturday!

Pretty sure we had 4-6 sacks last weekend

[asumike83]

Pretty sure we had 4-6 sacks last weekend

We had 6 sacks last weekend. Hard to tell given the level of competition, but it was the 1st game that James Robinson started at DE instead of Gordy Witte and that could make a big difference going forward.

[boonegoon]

I've been concerned over this game for a time. However, the more I look at it the better I feel. Yes, Chattanooga comes in with 2 wins over OVC teams but I'm not that impressed with that anymore. I think (and hope) that we will get pressure on BJ enough to slow them down. I say, 35-24. App

[chattownmocs]

Chattanooga hasnt just beaten to OVC teams. They beat a top 10 OVC team and a borderline top 25 OVC team. They have played the 7th toughest schedule in FCS football. And in those last 2 games. They dominated against the run, and got pressure with just the front 4. Our LBs and secondary are very fast and can stop the run as well as cover.

[ASUMountaineer]

Yes, I do seem to believe that both Defenses will struggle to stop each Offense. But with bland play calling App's Offense could stop themselves.

Yeah, that's definitely a concern. I'm not sure what to make of the offensive play calling, but I'm hoping for growth from the coaches.

[asumike83]

Yeah, that's definitely a concern. I'm not sure what to make of the offensive play calling, but I'm hoping for growth from the coaches.

From Rivals.com:

"Yeah, especially up front with some of the younger guys or guys that are not as experienced as others," quarterbacks coach Brad Glenn said when asked if they are prepared to open up the playbook and move past the basics. "We kind of wanted to keep it basic for those guys and learn step one before we get to step two. And we've accomplished that, so we're throwing everything out there at them now and they're picking it up."

[ASUMountaineer]

From Rivals.com:

"Yeah, especially up front with some of the younger guys or guys that are not as experienced as others," quarterbacks coach Brad Glenn said when asked if they are prepared to open up the playbook and move past the basics. "We kind of wanted to keep it basic for those guys and learn step one before we get to step two. And we've accomplished that, so we're throwing everything out there at them now and they're picking it up."

Cool deal. I don't subscribe to rivals, but that's good to see. Thanks.

[Apphole]

From Rivals.com:

"Yeah, especially up front with some of the younger guys or guys that are not as experienced as others," quarterbacks coach Brad Glenn said when asked if they are prepared to open up the playbook and move past the basics. "We kind of wanted to keep it basic for those guys and learn step one before we get to step two. And we've accomplished that, so we're throwing everything out there at them now and they're picking it up."

eeexcellent! (mr. Burns voice)

[asumike83]

Chattanooga hasnt just beaten to OVC teams. They beat a top 10 OVC team and a borderline top 25 OVC team. They have played the 7th toughest schedule in FCS football. And in those last 2 games. They dominated against the run, and got pressure with just the front 4. Our LBs and secondary are very fast and can stop the run as well as cover.

UTC has played a much tougher schedule than ASU and I don't think there is an App fan in the world that would argue that. However, it is really tough to gauge anything from the rankings this early in the season and I don't think JSU or EKU will end up being Top 25 teams, much less Top 10. Stopping Appalachian's ground game will be a much taller task.

That being said, we know even LESS about the team ASU has this year or whether they deserve anything close to that #3 ranking. ASU will be making an enormous step up in competition from the last few weeks but Chattanooga will be facing a much tougher test as well, especially for their defense.

[Reign of Terrier]

Chattanooga's offense will move the ball and put points on the board. The only question is whether App State can match them. I think Chattanooga's offense wins over App's D and the otehr side of the ball is a stalemate. Mocs 35 App State 24. Chattanooga has a young and undersized defensive front, but the back 7 is among the best in the nation. They will continue to cover up fro the front 4 when needed. BJ throws for 350. The mocs grind out 80-100 on the ground. 35-24
Holy crap...I think I agree with you, with that being said, my head (and experience) also tells me crazy things happen at the rock, so it wouldn't surprise me if the opposite happened. I'll go with Chatty, but more along the lines of 37-28

[chattownmocs]

UTC has played a much tougher schedule than ASU and I don't think there is an App fan in the world that would argue that. However, it is really tough to gauge anything from the rankings this early in the season and I don't think JSU or EKU will end up being Top 25 teams, much less Top 10. Stopping Appalachian's ground game will be a much taller task.

That being said, we know even LESS about the team ASU has this year or whether they deserve anything close to that #3 ranking. ASU will be making an enormous step up in competition from the last few weeks but Chattanooga will be facing a much tougher test as well, especially for their defense.

Jacksonville State will end up in the top 25 easily and Eastern Kentucky's defense will carry them to close to the top 25 as well. Stopping Apps run game will be t ougher, That being said those 2 teams have some pretty good players, they savannah state or A&T. If Appalachian State can line up and run the ball at Chattanooga for 60 minutes than they have a chance. Im doubting that this will be the case.

[Milktruck74]

Chattown you must have gotten your xanax refilled.... You are being realistic....and wait for it, wait for it.....some App fans and Woffy fans are agreeing with you. What's up???? I don't know I like the new you....we will have to just wait and see.

[Squealofthepig]

So, I think we're all in agreement: UTC's schedule has been tougher than App's.

Jacksonville State: I still see them as being somewhere between 20 and 30. Their main issue will be five of their last eight games are on the road (including SEMO, Murray State and... Kentucky? whatever). If they run away with the conference and only lose to Kentucky, it'd be hard to argue (at 9-2) that they're not playoff caliber. However, given the road ahead, they'll probably be more like 7-4 - making it difficult to get a great read.

How's the ticket situation now? Will this be the largest crowd ever at the Rock?

[asumike83]

Jacksonville State will end up in the top 25 easily and Eastern Kentucky's defense will carry them to close to the top 25 as well. Stopping Apps run game will be t ougher, That being said those 2 teams have some pretty good players, they savannah state or A&T. If Appalachian State can line up and run the ball at Chattanooga for 60 minutes than they have a chance. Im doubting that this will be the case.

JSU may end up in the top 25 because they started off so high and don't have many tough games in the OVC. I had my doubts about that team after they needed 2 late TD's to get past Tenn-Martin at home by a point but I could be wrong. In any event, UTC handled them like they should have.

ASU is a young team in general, but we have a lot of experience at QB, RB and the right side of the O-line. I like our chances to move the ball on the ground. The big question for us on offense will be whether anyone steps up to catch passes other than Quick, as I would imagine he will see a LOT of double coverage until someone else proves they can make plays.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Jacksonville State will end up in the top 25 easily and Eastern Kentucky's defense will carry them to close to the top 25 as well. Stopping Apps run game will be t ougher, That being said those 2 teams have some pretty good players, they savannah state or A&T. If Appalachian State can line up and run the ball at Chattanooga for 60 minutes than they have a chance. Im doubting that this will be the case.

I think EKU is the better of the two teams. As Squeal has already said JSU needed two late touchdowns against UTM to win by a point at home.

In my opinion the Top of the SoCon > Top of the OVC. Again I know UTC is much improved and on the way up I just don't see them going into the Rock and coming away with a victory. We will find out on Saturday though! Should be a good game

[asumike83]

Regardless of how the game turns out (and even more so if UTC pulls off the win), you have to respect what Huesman has done with that program. 2-3 years ago, this game would have been an afterthought.

[jmufan999]

I'm all heart, baby!!!!!

now that's what i'm talkin' about!

[Apphole]

.

In my opinion the Top of the SoCon > Top of the OVC.

IMO the middle/bottom of the SoCon> the top of the OVC

[Milktruck74]

IMO the middle/bottom of the SoCon> the top of the OVC

I can't quite go with the bottom. However, the 4-6 in the SoCon is probably equal with 1-3 in the OVC.... at least over the past 5 or 6 years. We better hush before we sound like those CAA-holes.

[Apphole]

I can't quite go with the bottom. However, the 4-6 in the SoCon is probably equal with 1-3 in the OVC.... at least over the past 5 or 6 years. We better hush before we sound like those CAA-holes.

Haha touché

[phoenix3]

App's D can't handle UTC's O. Everything else is a wash.

UTC 35
App 28

[theasushow]

i just took a nap and dreamed it was 60-60 in OT...and we lost on a blocked field goal. true story.

[Skjellyfetti]

I can't quite go with the bottom. However, the 4-6 in the SoCon is probably equal with 1-3 in the OVC.... at least over the past 5 or 6 years. We better hush before we sound like those CAA-holes.

Didn't a 2-9 WCU win fairly easily at Eastern Kentucky a couple of years ago?

[Squealofthepig]

Didn't a 2-9 WCU win fairly easily at Eastern Kentucky a couple of years ago?

Yes, 24-7 in '09. - http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=293182198

[Reign of Terrier]

i just took a nap and dreamed it was 60-60 in OT...and we lost on a blocked field goal. true story.

I dreamed the other day that Wofford beat Samford 48-41 in a 4th quarter comeback

[noogamoc]

i just took a nap and dreamed it was 60-60 in OT...and we lost on a blocked field goal. true story.

I'll take that!

All seriousness aside. What will the game day ticket situation look like Saturday?

[whoanellie]

and you don't respect what Lembo did at Elon?
Regardless of how the game turns out (and even more so if UTC pulls off the win), you have to respect what Huesman has done with that program. 2-3 years ago, this game would have been an afterthought.

[Apphole]

and you don't respect what Lembo did at Elon?

Hopefully he leaves UTC and they join you at the bottom of the SoCon

[Skjellyfetti]

and you don't respect what Lembo did at Elon?

I don't think he said anything at all about Lembo.

I know y'all like to try to make every thread about Elon.... but, kindly **** off. xthumbsupx

[asumike83]

and you don't respect what Lembo did at Elon?

Huh? I don't recall saying anything at all about Lembo in that post.

Pete Lembo is a gentleman and a scholar, not to mention a fine football coach and a damn sharp dresser. Happy?

[chattanoogamocs]

now that's what i'm talkin' about!

I am not on the fence either...I had already picked Chattanooga in the other thread.

[chattanoogamocs]

Didn't a 2-9 WCU win fairly easily at Eastern Kentucky a couple of years ago?

Didn't UTC got 1-10 a few years ago?

That history doesn't really matter...and the present does.

[chattanoogamocs]

I think both EKU and JSU are top 25 caliber teams (not top 10 though). But I think EKU will end up the better team of the two (because of the better defense). It will be interesting to see how it all pans out over the season.

[Saint3333]

Not sure who to take on the spread, but I'm taking the under.

Keys to the game:

UTC:
- rush for 100 yards, BJ is going to get yards through the air
- blitz yet contain DP, UTC will need to bring help from the back
- don't get down early, protect the ball. If UTC turns it over early ASU has the talent and atmosphere to duplicate the last 20 minutes of last year's game

ASU:
- above all else get to BJ and make him make poor throws
- rush for over 175 yards, UTC has a small line, pound them early and it will pay off in the 2nd half
- don't break contain and give up big plays, the 3-4 defense is new

Game of the week no doubt.

[Montanan]

ASU 3#
UTC 3#

i'm almost positive,


not quite,


but almost! http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/icons/icon11.png

[GlassOnion]

Chattanooga's offense will move the ball and put points on the board. The only question is whether App State can match them. I think Chattanooga's offense wins over App's D and the otehr side of the ball is a stalemate. Mocs 35 App State 24. Chattanooga has a young and undersized defensive front, but the back 7 is among the best in the nation. They will continue to cover up fro the front 4 when needed. BJ throws for 350. The mocs grind out 80-100 on the ground. 35-24

If Chatts line cant contain, App has 3 burners at RB that will dominate the TOP. If your back 7 have to creep up to make up for the front 4, App has the best WR, and best TE in the conference and Presley when he has time to throw is every bit as accurate as Coleman.
App is getting to QBs so far this season, that should continue Sat from what your Oline has shown. App's young O-line may match up very well with your young D-line. On the other hand, the Chatty O-line is extremely shaky, Apps D-line has been the strong point of our D.
This is going to be a great game. The coaching may decide this one.

[Ivytalk]

I'll take App at home by 7-10 points.

[Skjellyfetti]

That history doesn't really matter...and the present does.

History does matter. Experience in big games matters. Has anyone on Chattanooga played and won a game of this magnitude?

[chattanoogamocs]

History does matter. Experience in big games matters. Has anyone on Chattanooga played and won a game of this magnitude?

you're changing the argument...the original statement was about a 2-9 WCU beating EKU 2 years ago. Which has nothing to do with the EKU team that Mocs played last week.

[chattanoogamocs]

Not sure who to take on the spread, but I'm taking the under.

Keys to the game:

UTC:
- rush for 100 yards, BJ is going to get yards through the air
- blitz yet contain DP, UTC will need to bring help from the back
- don't get down early, protect the ball. If UTC turns it over early ASU has the talent and atmosphere to duplicate the last 20 minutes of last year's game

ASU:
- above all else get to BJ and make him make poor throws
- rush for over 175 yards, UTC has a small line, pound them early and it will pay off in the 2nd half
- don't break contain and give up big plays, the 3-4 defense is new

Game of the week no doubt.

I will simplify. Huesmans' team is 9-1 in games were the Mocs out rush their opponent. So it stands to reason that if ASU can run the ball well, the Mocs will be in trouble (Mocs are only 5-10 when the opponent out rush them)

[chattanoogamocs]

History does matter. Experience in big games matters. Has anyone on Chattanooga played and won a game of this magnitude?

And yes, they have had plenty of experience in big games (though they might not have been successful in the attempt). Last year's game in Chattanooga was just as big as this one will be on Saturday...and that one came down the the last seconds.

[Skjellyfetti]

you're changing the argument...the original statement was about a 2-9 WCU beating EKU 2 years ago. Which has nothing to do with the EKU team that Mocs played last week.

And the original statement was referring to the argument about where a top level OVC team would fall in the SoCon. Nothing about the Chatty - App game.

Here's the quote I was referring to if you are having trouble keeping up:


However, the 4-6 in the SoCon is probably equal with 1-3 in the OVC.... at least over the past 5 or 6 years. We better hush before we sound like those CAA-holes.

[SoCon48]

If Chatts line cant contain, App has 3 burners at RB that will dominate the TOP. If your back 7 have to creep up to make up for the front 4, App has the best WR, and best TE in the conference and Presley when he has time to throw is every bit as accurate as Coleman.
App is getting to QBs so far this season, that should continue Sat from what your Oline has shown. App's young O-line may match up very well with your young D-line. On the other hand, the Chatty O-line is extremely shaky, Apps D-line has been the strong point of our D.
This is going to be a great game. The coaching may decide this one.

So many talk about Jerry not opening up the playbook. They see in practice what the fans don't. He knows what is working in practice as an indication of what will work or not in a game situation. I get so tired of hearing that "open up the play book " drivel.

[Apphole]

So many talk about Jerry not opening up the playbook. They see in practice what the fans don't. He knows what is working in practice as an indication of what will work or not in a game situation. I get so tired of hearing that "open up the play book " drivel.

Reason for drivel-

From Rivals.com:

"Yeah, especially up front with some of the younger guys or guys that are not as experienced as others," quarterbacks coach Brad Glenn said when asked if they are prepared to open up the playbook and move past the basics. "We kind of wanted to keep it basic for those guys and learn step one before we get to step two. And we've accomplished that, so we're throwing everything out there at them now and they're picking it up."

[GlassOnion]

So many talk about Jerry not opening up the playbook. They see in practice what the fans don't. He knows what is working in practice as an indication of what will work or not in a game situation. I get so tired of hearing that "open up the play book " drivel.

Im talking about coaching in gereral, ie game preperation, the ability to adjust in-game. No drivel here.

[boonegoon]

Im talking about coaching in gereral, ie game preperation, the ability to adjust in-game. No drivel here.

I agree. It seems as though we have had a hard time adjusting over the last couple of years.

[Apphole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLvT-2Jy1os

[boonegoon]

Is this one on the tube anywhere?

[Rekdiver]

Chattanooga had defeated two quality teams and didn't get embarrased by Nebraska like we did by VPI. I'm impressed. There is a hunger there we used to have. Which ASU will show up? Play time is over. I have no clue....but I'll be there.

[GunsAndGuitars]

Chattanooga had defeated two quality teams and didn't get embarrased by Nebraska like we did by VPI. I'm impressed. There is a hunger there we used to have. Which ASU will show up? Play time is over. I have no clue....but I'll be there.

VPI/VT was a statement made to JMU. Look at their numbers afterward. We were just the messenger. I'll agree that so far this year UTC has been tested and with a bit more success, but JSU didn't impress me against (the other) GSU last weekend. I haven't seen Eastern KY, but they're better than Sav State right now. We'll have to see.

35-31 The Rock holds the Native footwear down.

[longtimemocfan]

If Chatts line cant contain, App has 3 burners at RB that will dominate the TOP. If your back 7 have to creep up to make up for the front 4, App has the best WR, and best TE in the conference and Presley when he has time to throw is every bit as accurate as Coleman.
App is getting to QBs so far this season, that should continue Sat from what your Oline has shown. App's young O-line may match up very well with your young D-line. On the other hand, the Chatty O-line is extremely shaky, Apps D-line has been the strong point of our D.
This is going to be a great game. The coaching may decide this one.

I'm not concerned about your backs or running game. Except for Nebraska, no one has gotten more than 69 yards on the ground against us. Even against Nebraska, we had 12 plays for negative yardage. I think the key for App offensively is your QB's ability to make good decisions under pressure. I can bet he will see some heat.

In any event it does set up for a great game. I'm just glad to see a lot of hype go into this game. It's been a long time since we've had a chance to win a game in Boone.

[asumike83]

Chattanooga had defeated two quality teams and didn't get embarrased by Nebraska like we did by VPI. I'm impressed. There is a hunger there we used to have. Which ASU will show up? Play time is over. I have no clue....but I'll be there.

I wouldn't put too much stock in the final scores of the FBS games, both teams got dominated. Nebraska got the W and let off the gas, VT wanted to send their home fans a message that losing to an FCS team will not happen again. The quality of Chatt's FCS opponents relative to A&T and Savannah State is what they will really benefit from.

[phoenixphanatic21]

I say 3 point win for App. Should be a classic. Can't wait to see it.

[longtimemocfan]

I wouldn't put too much stock in the final scores of the FBS games, both teams got dominated. Nebraska got the W and let off the gas, VT wanted to send their home fans a message that losing to an FCS team will not happen again. The quality of Chatt's FCS opponents relative to A&T and Savannah State is what they will really benefit from.

Let off the gas ? If you call the last possession or 2 when Martinez finally came out the game letting off the gas. Anyway enough speculation. The magnitude of this game is far different then what you do against a FBS team anyway. Enjoy the game.

[asumike83]

Let off the gas ? If you call the last possession or 2 when Martinez finally came out the game letting off the gas. Anyway enough speculation. The magnitude of this game is far different then what you do against a FBS team anyway. Enjoy the game.

Yes, let off the gas as in conservative play calling and then pulling the starters all together as opposed to VT who was throwing the ball downfield and sending the house to block punts even after they had 45 on the board. Unless you really think the UTC defense shut out a Nebraska team going all out in the 4th after scoring double-digits in each of the first 3.

[Milktruck74]

Well, Jerry must have felt the pressure....2 suspended players WILL play on Saturday.

[AppAlum2003]

Well, Jerry must have felt the pressure....2 suspended players WILL play on Saturday.

Kinda unfair reasoning there. You don't know what they did. Could have been worthy of a one game suspension. Jerry has not shown a propensity to give into pressure... he suspended a starting CB for the National Championship game against Delaware.

[asumike83]

I'm glad to see Gainey and Tanyi will be suiting up. Although I am not happy that Patrick Blalock is hurt, I think Doug Middleton is a very good player and may end up taking his spot at safety for good. Interested to see how he does this weekend.

[StorminASU]

Well, Jerry must have felt the pressure....2 suspended players WILL play on Saturday.

Well can't we just say the same thing about the player that was suppose to be suspended for Chatt, but now is going to suit up?

No one knows what these two did, but suddenly JM is too scared of the Mocs to be a man of character? Give me a break.
Go Apps, Beat Chattanooga.

[ElonPride]

Yes, let off the gas as in conservative play calling and then pulling the starters all together as opposed to VT who was throwing the ball downfield and sending the house to block punts even after they had 45 on the board. Unless you really think the UTC defense shut out a Nebraska team going all out in the 4th after scoring double-digits in each of the first 3.

The game I watched on TV had the play by play guy stating VTs two's and three's were getting PT in the second quarter.xrolleyesx

[james_lawfirm]

Chattanooga had defeated two quality teams and didn't get embarrased by Nebraska like we did by VPI. I'm impressed. There is a hunger there we used to have. Which ASU will show up? Play time is over. I have no clue....but I'll be there.

GREAT POST!! Sums up my thoughts exactly. I'm not getting much work done today. Is it time for kickoff yet? PLAY TIME IS OVER!!!

[asumike83]

The game I watched on TV had the play by play guy stating VTs two's and three's were getting PT in the second quarter.xrolleyesx

Well, I guess Logan Thomas and David Wilson got demoted to 2nd or 3rd then. Even when Leal took over at QB late in the 3rd, they were calling passing plays 30 yards down field.

[james_lawfirm]

Kinda unfair reasoning there. You don't know what they did. Could have been worthy of a one game suspension. Jerry has not shown a propensity to give into pressure... he suspended a starting CB for the National Championship game against Delaware.

I would add that the "starting CB" was 1st team all-conference (I think).

[Skjellyfetti]

The game I watched on TV had the play by play guy stating VTs two's and three's were getting PT in the second quarter.xrolleyesx

Maybe regular rotation of WR's, running backs, d-linemen, etc.? xconfusedx Because they didn't mass sub till much later.

[Milktruck74]

Kinda unfair reasoning there. You don't know what they did. Could have been worthy of a one game suspension. Jerry has not shown a propensity to give into pressure... he suspended a starting CB for the National Championship game against Delaware.

Lighten up Francis....

[GaSouthern]

If the turnovers are the same then Appy by 14

[asknoquarter21]

I think everyone is putting a lot of weight into last years game when App was completely flat until the end of the game.

I think ASU realizes the importance of this game this year and UTC is going to get a fired up team and atmosphere that they haven't seen in a southern conference game in a long time.

ASU by 14+

[AppAlum2003]

Lighten up Francis....

Not really an appropriate response there, but we'll take it.

Point is... I trust JM to do the right thing here. If these two are playing, it's because he thinks they've served the appropriate amount of time for whatever it is they did... not because he's afraid of losing the first conference game of the year.

[ElonPride]

Maybe regular rotation of WR's, running backs, d-linemen, etc.? xconfusedx Because they didn't mass sub till much later.

Whatever makes you feel better.

[Skjellyfetti]

Whatever makes you feel better.

I feel great. xthumbsupx Big game this weekend in Boone with SoCon title implications. xnodx Couldn't be better.

Enjoy returning to your rightful place in the bottom half of the SoCon. xthumbsupx

[ElonPride]

I feel great. xthumbsupx Big game this weekend with SoCon title implications. xnodx


How's that new defense of your shaping up?

[PaladinFan]

Can we say this is the biggest game UTC has had in 20 years? Is that overboard?

[GunsAndGuitars]

From ASU's website.

"• ASU has won 17-straight SoCon openers played in Boone, with their last loss coming at the hands of Furman in 1982. ASU is 21-2 all-time when playing its SoCon opener at home."

xnodx

[SoCon48]

Yes, let off the gas as in conservative play calling and then pulling the starters all together as opposed to VT who was throwing the ball downfield and sending the house to block punts even after they had 45 on the board. Unless you really think the UTC defense shut out a Nebraska team going all out in the 4th after scoring double-digits in each of the first 3.

Conservative play calling is sometimes related to the coaches seeing in practice which plays the team is not capable of pulling off consistently.

[asumike83]

How's that new defense of your shaping up?

We will find out this weekend how good it really is, but it has shaped up well enough to beat a lower-tier MEAC team by more than 1 point.

[ElonPride]

We will find out this weekend how good it really is, but it has shaped up well enough to beat a lower-tier MEAC team by more than 1 point.

Touche.

Although is was the defense that really came through in that 1 point win and held a currently undefeated SEC team to just 309 yards of offense.

[asumike83]

Touche.

Although is was the defense that really came through in that 1 point win and held a currently undefeated SEC team to just 309 yards of offense.

Whatever makes you feel better. :D

[ElonPride]

Whatever makes you feel better. :D

Again. Touche.

:)

[chattanoogamocs]

Can we say this is the biggest game UTC has had in 20 years? Is that overboard?

I am not trying to poo poo it, this is obviously a huge game.

But honestly, I don't think this game is any bigger than last years game against ASU in Chattanooga (or the GSU game last year...or playing at Wofford with a playoff spot on the line <--that was the biggest game imo, unfortunately, it didn't go well). Though I guess on paper, you could argue it is bigger because both teams are ranked top 15.

Now if the Mocs win, then it is unequivocally the biggest game in 20 years. :)

[chattownmocs]

I dont know about the biggest game in 20 years, but it would be the biggest win in a long time. I dont think many people accross the country and especially in this town believe. The good thing is, it only matters what the men in that locker room believe. But they will believe if Chattanooga can go into boone and beat famed Appalachian state. It would take Chattanooga's support to the next level.

[alvinkayak6]

chattanoogamocs, can you please explain to me why everyone thinks BJ Coleman is a top 10 nfl draft pick? i am sure you have seen him play in person more than i have. and yes im assuming u think highly of him...

[chattownmocs]

chattanoogamocs, can you please explain to me why everyone thinks BJ Coleman is a top 10 nfl draft pick? i am sure you have seen him play in person more than i have. and yes im assuming u think highly of him...

I dont think anyone anywhere thinks he is a top 10 draft pick.

[Skjellyfetti]

But they will believe if Chattanooga can go into boone and beat famed Appalachian state. It would take Chattanooga's support to the next level.

But, I thought Chattanooga has the most storied program in the SoCon?

[chattownmocs]

But, I thought Chattanooga has the most storied program in the SoCon?

They have the deepest history. Appalachian State is by far the most famous Socon program currently. Just as Georgia Southern used to be.

[asumike83]

I think BJ will be drafted but I don't recall anyone saying he was a Top-10 pick. I think he's projected as a mid-round selection.

[Saint3333]

Deep - it certainly is.

[GunsAndGuitars]

I think BJ will be drafted but I don't recall anyone saying he was a Top-10 pick. I think he's projected as a mid-round selection.

I doubt he does what Joe Flacco has done as an FCS to Pro QB, but he certainly is a draft worthy QB. Mid-Round sounds about right, and you never know where he may go from there.

[GlassOnion]

I'm not concerned about your backs or running game. Except for Nebraska, no one has gotten more than 69 yards on the ground against us. Even against Nebraska, we had 12 plays for negative yardage. I think the key for App offensively is your QB's ability to make good decisions under pressure. I can bet he will see some heat.

In any event it does set up for a great game. I'm just glad to see a lot of hype go into this game. It's been a long time since we've had a chance to win a game in Boone.

If Chatty goes into tomorrows game thinking like that, DP will put up 69 yards by himself, and I'll make sure to repost this.

[chattownmocs]

I doubt he does what Joe Flacco has done as an FCS to Pro QB, but he certainly is a draft worthy QB. Mid-Round sounds about right, and you never know where he may go from there.

Joe Flacco is a well below average NFL starting QB, I dont know if BJ will ever be a starter in the NFL, but lets not praise Joe Flacco like he is some sort of superstar.

[alvinkayak6]

ok thanks for the honesty and clarity.

but is he really better than 50 or so FBS QB's? Take a look at some of the draft eligible QBs:

Luck, Barkley, Landry Jones, Ryan Tahnnehill, Weeden, Foles, Lindley, Cousins, Robert Griffin III RG3, Kellen moore, chandler harnish NIU, case keenum, Stephen Garcia, Russell Wilson, Dan Persa, Zach Collaros, John Brantley.

Can you pick two QBs under which you would take BJ Coleman. I don't see a player there I wouldn't draft first.

[Reign of Terrier]

ok thanks for the honesty and clarity.

but is he really better than 50 or so FBS QB's? Take a look at some of the draft eligible QBs:

Luck, Barkley, Landry Jones, Ryan Tahnnehill, Weeden, Foles, Lindley, Cousins, Robert Griffin III RG3, Kellen moore, chandler harnish NIU, case keenum, Stephen Garcia, Russell Wilson, Dan Persa, Zach Collaros, John Brantley.

Can you pick two QBs under which you would take BJ Coleman. I don't see a player there I wouldn't draft first.

I actually wouldn't take Garcia, and based off of competition I would also say Harnish

[Skjellyfetti]

I like how there's a thread on Chatty's message board talking about how BJ Coleman is better than Tyler Bray. xlolx

[Milktruck74]

I like how there's a thread on Chatty's message board talking about how BJ Coleman is better than Tyler Bray. xlolx

I think the point in that thread is that the qualities necessary to be a great QB is much more than pure talent... Without talent, none of the others matter, but BJ has leadership, game understanding, and grit. The point being that, for our program BJ is better than Tyler Bray.

[Skjellyfetti]

I think the point in that thread is that the qualities necessary to be a great QB is much more than pure talent... Without talent, none of the others matter, but BJ has leadership, game understanding, and grit. The point being that, for our program BJ is better than Tyler Bray.

Not quite.

The thread is about who would start AT TENNESSEE. xlolx So, no it is not about who is better for their respective program.

Sadly, I'm beginning to think Chattownmocs is a run-of-the-mill Chattanooga fan.

[Milktruck74]

Not quite.

The thread is about who would start AT TENNESSEE. xlolx So, know it is not about who is better for their respective program.

at one point it was about BJ being better for OUR program. and given the situation at UT, I think a Senior BJ would start over Bray.

[Skjellyfetti]

I think a Senior BJ would start over Bray.

xlolx

Nick ****ing Stephens (a truly terrible quarterback) started 6 games over BJ Coleman at Tennessee. xlolx

But, you think BJ would start over Bray... probably the best QB in the SEC.

Riiiiiiiight. xlmaox

Rapidly surpassing Elon as the most delusional fanbase in the SoCon.

[chattownmocs]

ok thanks for the honesty and clarity.

but is he really better than 50 or so FBS QB's? Take a look at some of the draft eligible QBs:

Luck, Barkley, Landry Jones, Ryan Tahnnehill, Weeden, Foles, Lindley, Cousins, Robert Griffin III RG3, Kellen moore, chandler harnish NIU, case keenum, Stephen Garcia, Russell Wilson, Dan Persa, Zach Collaros, John Brantley.

Can you pick two QBs under which you would take BJ Coleman. I don't see a player there I wouldn't draft first.

Id take him above all except, luck, barkley, jones, Wilson. But thats just me. I like good arm strength, AND high intelligence with my QBs. But thats just me.

[chattownmocs]

BJ Coleman would have no chance to start over Bray. Yes he was better than Crompton and stephens, But bray is a special talent. Number 1 overall pick type talent if he can add weight.

[chattownmocs]

xlolx

Nick ****ing Stephens (a truly terrible quarterback) started 6 games over BJ Coleman at Tennessee. xlolx

But, you think BJ would start over Bray... probably the best QB in the SEC.

Riiiiiiiight. xlmaox

Rapidly surpassing Elon as the most delusional fanbase in the SoCon.

Lets be real. He didnt start over him because he was a redshirt Freshman. He beat out crompton and Stephens in the spring of his sophomore year fair and square, na d Kiffin didnt want to take the chance of having to Start him for 3 years over HIS recruits. The same thing he did at many positions.

[longtimemocfan]

If Chatty goes into tomorrows game thinking like that, DP will put up 69 yards by himself, and I'll make sure to repost this.

He could go for 69 by himself. Still do not think the run will beat us. And If I'm wrong I'll just be wrong. You can re-post till your hearts desire. Just be assured if I'm right I'll be sure to let you know about it as well.:D

[longtimemocfan]

If Chatty goes into tomorrows game thinking like that, DP will put up 69 yards by himself, and I'll make sure to repost this.

You did get some rushing yards. But overall ineffective. And defenitely not what won the game.

[GlassOnion]

You did get some rushing yards. But overall ineffective. And defenitely not what won the game.

Our offense was totally ineffective, the only thing they did for us was give our D a breather, and sometimes, not even that. Our D however, came to play. Gave up only 32 yards rushing, and scored 2 TDs. Our D had as much yardage as our rushing game. No one could have seen this coming.

[chattownmocs]

Our offense was totally ineffective, the only thing they did for us was give our D a breather, and sometimes, not even that. Our D however, came to play. Gave up only 32 yards rushing, and scored 2 TDs. Our D had as much yardage as our rushing game. No one could have seen this coming.

Your "D" scored one TD.

[Mountaineer#96]

While one occured during a special teams play it was still considered a defensive touchdown since we were defending the field goal attempt.

[GunsAndGuitars]

Our D however, came to play. Gave up only 32 yards rushing, and scored 2 TDs. Our D had as much yardage as our rushing game. No one could have seen this coming.

Well, I didn't read that last sentence until I put it in the box to quote it. Where ever that came from, I'd like to see them do it again.



I like good arm strength, AND high intelligence with my QBs.

I'm too lazy to look up the numbers (it's called Googlephobia) but was there a big difference in the pressure on the QB between JSU, EKY and ASU? I was not impressed with a pressured Coleman at all. I didn't like his decision making at times. He had a tendency to overthrow #3 all game but the "pick six" looked underthrown to me. I was, however sitting on the far 20 yard line from it. It did look like he was throwing off his back foot a lot today.

Our offense shook me up a little, but I like the new pistol packages that were thrown out there on the field from time to time. We still just don't know very much about ASU this year IMO.

[longtimemocfan]

I knew our defense was pretty darn good. Our O-line trying to replace 3 starters was a big question mark. Plus we had a O-line starter out today. Your D-line was just too much for us to handle for the most part. Congrats on the win.

[boonegoon]

I knew our defense was pretty darn good. Our O-line trying to replace 3 starters was a big question mark. Plus we had a O-line starter out today. Your D-line was just too much for us to handle for the most part. Congrats on the win.

I hope it was your good defense rather than our inept offense. If I were a moc fan, I would feel pretty good about the D and your chances the rest of the year. I never saw this outcome given our combined histories for prolific offenses. Good game and I wish you guys all the best the rest of the year. Chattownmocs can **** it.

[longtimemocfan]

Sorry, never saw him until this year.

[GlassOnion]

I knew our defense was pretty darn good. Our O-line trying to replace 3 starters was a big question mark. Plus we had a O-line starter out today. Your D-line was just too much for us to handle for the most part. Congrats on the win.

Thanks. Our O-line is also trying to replace 3 starters, so we know how that goes. By mid-season, both these teams should be rollin'. It wouldnt suprise me to see the Mocs again later this Fall, your program is clearly on its way up. Good luck!

[longtimemocfan]

Thanks. Our O-line is also trying to replace 3 starters, so we know how that goes. By mid-season, both these teams should be rollin'. It wouldnt suprise me to see the Mocs again later this Fall, your program is clearly on its way up. Good luck!

Thanks, same to the App faithful.