Top "Small School" Prospects 4/14

[TexasTerror]

In the most recent release of the Top "Small School" Prospects from yesterday...

2. DE/DT/OLB/ILB Chris Gocong, Cal Poly (6021, 263, 4.70/4.77) - 2nd-4th
3. OT Paul McQuistan, Weber State (6061, 312, 5.07/5.10) - 3rd-4th
4. FS Antoine Bethea, Howard (5110, 203, 4.39/4.45) - 3rd
5. CB David Pittman, Northwestern State (La.) (5112, 182, 4.44/4.52) - 2nd-4th
6. DE Brent Hawkins, Illinois State (6022, 242, 4.72/4.74) - 3rd-5th
8. OT/OG Willie Colon, Hofstra (6027, 320, 5.31/5.36) - 3rd-4th
9. OT Kevin Boothe, Cornell (6047, 320, 5.36/5.41) - 3rd-4th
10. WR Miles Austin, Monmouth (6021, 220, 4.47/4.52) - 3rd-4th
11. FS Reed Doughty, Northern Colorado, 6004, 209, 4.60/4.67 - 5th
12. QB Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama State, 6017, 224, 4.64/4.74 - 5th-6th
14. QB Erik Meyer, Eastern Washington, 6011, 209, 4.66/4.74 - 5th-6th
17. DE Jason Hatcher, Grambling State, 6057, 284, 4.75/4.82 - 5th-6th
19. WR Marques Colston, Hofstra, 6045, 220, 4.43/4.51 - 6th-7th round
20. K Jon Scifres, Missouri State, 6005, 224, 4.95/5.00 - 6th-PFA

Others to keep in mind:

21. QB Barrick Nealy, Texas State, 6037, 220, 4.62/4.66 - 6th-PFA
22. DE/DT Darrell Adams, Villanova, 6042, 275, 4.86/4.89 - 7th
23. DE/OLB Jason Hunter, Appalachian State, 6042, 245, 4.53/4.59 - 7th
24. OT Ryan Gibbons, Northeastern, 6052, 318, 5.08/5.09 - 7th
26. TE Daniel Fells, UC Davis, 6033, 262, 4.81/4.85 - 7th-PFA
27. QB Ingle Martin, Furman, 6022, 222, 4.65/4.75 - 7th-PFA
28. QB Travis Lulay, Montana State, 6021, 213, 4.69/4.75 - 7th-PFA
29. CB/FS Cortland Finnegan, Samford, 5097, 188, 4.33/4.35 - 7th-PFA
31. CB Jay McCareins, Princeton, 5112, 193, 4.57/4.60 - 7th-PFA
36. QB Bruce Eugene, Grambling State, 6002, 260, 5.08/5.18 - 7th-PFA
37. FB Nick Hartigan, Brown, 6010, 227, 4.69/4.78 - 7th-PFA
38. FS Shannon James, UMASS, 5090, 203, 4.45/4.51 - 7th-PFA
40. DT Fred Evans, Texas State, 6046, 305, 5.12/5.15 - PFA

[Linehawg]

Chris Kuper (North Dakota) is the top small school Guard and the only one invited to the Indy Combine (Boothe went as an OT) and is an easy 4th-6th round choice and will go way ahead of almost all these other linemen.

[MACHIAVELLI]

I undrstand it is based on team needs but Jason Hatcher should be the first D1AA player chosen.

[*****]

I undrstand it is based on team needs but Jason Hatcher should be the first D1AA player chosen.Over Buchanan winner Gocong? Why?

[MACHIAVELLI]

Over Buchanan winner Gocong? Why?

Ralph please don't bring up any sportsnetwork awards anymore...they are tarnished/slanted/fixed. I suggested to Matt that he remove all Grambling related coaches/players names from any awards associated with that group. It is a joke.

anywho
To answer your question....
DE 6-5, 284, 4.75/4.82

[*****]

Ralph please don't bring up any sportsnetwork awards anymore...they are tarnished/slanted/fixed. I suggested to Matt that he remove all Grambling related coaches/players names from any awards associated with that group. It is a joke.

anywho
To answer your question....
DE 6-5, 284, 4.75/4.82Okay, over I-AA.org Defensive Player of the Year Chris Gocong (6-2, 263, 4.70/4.77)... I-AA's leading sack man? Nothing against Hatcher but "should be" is what you said.

[MACHIAVELLI]

Okay, over I-AA.org Defensive Player of the Year Chris Gocong (6-2, 263, 4.70/4.77)... I-AA's leading sack man? Nothing against Hatcher but "should be" is what you said.

Nothing against Gocong but I did say "should be"
Jason Hatcher, DE 6-5, 284, 4.75/4.82
12 sacks
24 tackles for a loss
71 total tackles
16 quarterback hurries
2 fumble recoveries
1 pass defended
1 blocked kick
NFL Combine invite


Chris Gocong (6-2, 263, 4.70/4.77)
19 sacks
24 tackles for a loss
79 total tackles
14 quarterback hurries
3 forced fumbles
3 fumble recoveries

[TexasTerror]

I undrstand it is based on team needs but Jason Hatcher should be the first D1AA player chosen.

Hatcher is not making the rounds like CP's Gocong. You may think one way or another about Hatcher's ability, but the fact is, he's actually fallen a round or two in the last few weeks while Gocong is one of the fastest rising players on the board. The fact that Gocong has worked out with quite a few NFL teams must mean something he is doing is right and while I may have thought someone else would've been drafted first originally, I think Gocong may very well be the first I-AAer.

Hatcher could end up being third behind Gocong and McQuistan...maybe fall even further based on Bethea passing him up in recent weeks too.

[TexasTerror]

Nothing against Gocong but I did say "should be"
Jason Hatcher, DE 6-5, 284, 4.75/4.82
12 sacks
24 tackles for a loss
71 total tackles
16 quarterback hurries
2 fumble recoveries
1 pass defended
1 blocked kick


Chris Gocong (6-2, 263, 4.70/4.77)
19 sacks
24 tackles for a loss
79 total tackles
14 quarterback hurries
3 forced fumbles
3 fumble recoveries

Advantage: Gocong :bow:

[MACHIAVELLI]

Hatcher is not making the rounds like CP's Gocong. You may think one way or another about Hatcher's ability, but the fact is, he's actually fallen a round or two in the last few weeks while Gocong is one of the fastest rising players on the board. The fact that Gocong has worked out with quite a few NFL teams must mean something he is doing is right and while I may have thought someone else would've been drafted first originally, I think Gocong may very well be the first I-AAer.


FACTS:
From the Grambling Fan Website:
Jason has already worked out for Jacksonville, KC , Miami, New Orleans and Cincinatti in Grambling.

Jason's upcoming scheduled workouts:
Monday 17th @ Dallas
Tuesday 18th @ Atlanta
Wednesday 19th @ New Orleans




I'm not even presenting a bias view one way or another here. I'm just presenting the facts from I-AA.org and the pay-site that I am a member of.


I can show you sites that have Hatcher ranked above Gocong. xcoffeex
BTW...Hatcher has only been playing DE for about two years. He was recruited and was previously a Tight End.

[MACHIAVELLI]

Hatcher is not making the rounds like CP's Gocong. You may think one way or another about Hatcher's ability, but the fact is, he's actually fallen a round or two in the last few weeks while Gocong is one of the fastest rising players on the board.

Provide links

[*****]

Provide linksReally, rising or falling in the draft is subjective. But stats are earned against opponents that can be ranked and Gocong clearly has faced much tougher competition and done better. He "should be" taken before Hatcher. Good luck to both of these young men.:nod:

[MACHIAVELLI]

But stats are earned against opponents that can be ranked and Gocong clearly has faced much tougher competition and done better.



According to ...... That is equally subjective

Cocong will be drafted as a linebacker not a DE.

I am not going to go back and forth about this....

[TexasTerror]

This mentions your LB talk right here, Mach...

While Gocong was in the same 5-6 range that Hatcher was (and still is in), Gocong has moved up. In fact overall, Hatcher is rated 16th while Gocong is rated 10th at the position...

Rising (from a pay-site that I subscribe to):

DE Chris Gocong, Cal Poly - Gocong was once a 5th-6th round type prospect but has now moved into the 3rd-4th round range on most boards. His 4.7 speed has teams giving him a much harder look and his stock is being reflected in that. A collegiate defensive end, Gocong is exciting to scouts because of his versatility and potential to line up at either end or outside linebacker.

[*****]

According to ...... That is equally subjective
Gocong will be drafted as a linebacker not a DE.
I am not going to go back and forth about this....Okay.

[TexasTerror]

Mach,

Grambling played a tougher schedule than Cal Poly? I find that hard to believe especially since the GPI of the SWAC was lower than the GWFC. Cal Poly's was 7th while Grambling was 25th...

Which top offenses did Grambling face this year? Cal Poly faced Montana (twice), Texas St-San Marcos, Montana St and Eastern Washington. That's a tough schedule with four games against three teams that went to the I-AA playoffs.

I'm not even presenting a bias view one way or another here. I'm just presenting the facts from I-AA.org and the pay-site that I am a member of. I could care less about Gocong and Hatcher. In fact, I've been higher on Hatcher since day one of the post-IAA season because I want the Texans to draft him...

[MACHIAVELLI]

I'm not even presenting a bias view one way or another here. I'm just presenting the facts from I-AA.org and the pay-site that I am a member of.


I can show you sites that have Hatcher ranked above Gocong. xcoffeex
BTW...Hatcher has only been playing DE for about two years. He was recruited and was previously a Tight End.

[*****]

Mach,
Grambling played a tougher schedule than Cal Poly? I find that hard to believe especially since the GPI...That's what I was referring to.

6. Cal Poly (7.00)
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8. Montana (10.00)
13. E Washington (13.11)
14. Montana St (15.89)
18. N Dakota St (18.67)
22. UC Davis (23.22)
37. S Dakota St (32.33)
41. Idaho St (35.67)
56T. N Colorado (47.78)
66T. Sacramento St (52.33)
77T. S Utah (60.89)
I-A Troy

9/3 Cal Poly at Troy Troy 27-10
9/10 Sacramento State at Cal Poly Cal Poly 37-13
9/17 Montana State at Cal Poly Cal Poly 38-10
9/24 Cal Poly at South Dakota State Cal Poly 24-16
10/1 Cal Poly at Northern Colorado Cal Poly 31-14
10/8 North Dakota State at Cal Poly Cal Poly 37-6
10/22 Cal Poly at Montana Montana 36-27
10/29 Cal Poly at UC Davis UC Davis 20-13
11/5 Eastern Washington at Cal Poly Cal Poly 40-35
11/12 Southern Utah at Cal Poly Cal Poly 20-10
11/19 Idaho State at Cal Poly Cal Poly 35-10
11/26 Cal Poly at Montana NCAA Playoffs 1st Round Cal Poly 35-21
12/3 Cal Poly at Texas State NCAA Playoffs Quarterfinals Texas State 14-7

25. Grambling (24.33)
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70. Alabama A&M (54.89)
73. Alabama St (56.89)
80. MS Valley St (62.67)
84. Alcorn St (64.11)
87. Southern Univ (66.56)
99. Ark Pine Bluff (75.44)
101. Prairie View (76.78)
110. TX Southern (82.56)
111. Jackson St (82.89)
No-Div Concordia
I-A Washington State

9/10 Alabama A&M at Grambling State Grambling State 44-0
9/17 Grambling State at Washington State Washington State 48-7
10/1 Grambling State at Prairie View A&M Grambling State 50-7
10/8 Mississippi Valley State at Grambling State Grambling State 37-22
10/15 Grambling State at Arkansas-Pine Bluff Grambling State 26-23
10/22 Grambling State at Jackson State Grambling State 52-21
10/29 Texas Southern at Grambling State Grambling State 58-21
11/5 Grambling State at Alabama State Grambling State 32-27
11/12 Concordia (AL) at Grambling State Grambling State 82-7
11/26 Southern at Grambling Grambling 50-35
12/3 Grambling State at Alcorn State Grambling State 46-19
12/10 Grambling State vs Alabama A&M SWAC Championship Game Grambling State 45-6

The NFL draft is another animal altogether. Players, not teams are measured.

[MACHIAVELLI]

Ralph what is the GPI based on?

[Stang Fever]

I love hearing this talk about Gocong.......The man is a beast i was watching ESPN last night and Mel was talking about the Packers taking a sleeper in the third and that was Gocong

There is a correction needed Chris had 21.5 sacks not 19

[grizband]

I love hearing this talk about Gocong.......The man is a beast i was watching ESPN last night and Mel was talking about the Packers taking a sleeper in the third and that was Gocong

There is a correction needed Chris had 21.5 sacks not 19
I would love to see the Pack take GoCong. They need a D end, and he is a great one, especially since a team can get him in a lower round. Hope he can get used to those cold winters up on the tundra.:smiley_wi

[Retro]

I'll weigh in here...

1. Did someone delete all their post's?

2. Performance againest quality competition is more important than just plain size.

3. The NFL does draft based on potential, however you have to have had shown some quality play on the field againest quality opponents more than once or twice..

4. According to Mel Kiper's draft report, he has Chris Cogong going at #75 overall in the 3rd rd to new england... He has David Pittman going earlier at #68 to the 49ers and the first I-AA player taken... Hatcher is not in his 4 rd mock draft..

I have about 10 different draft books just arriving and will give a full I-AA breakdown this weekend.

[Catmendue2]

In the most recent release of the Top "Small School" Prospects from yesterday...

2. DE/DT/OLB/ILB Chris Gocong, Cal Poly (6021, 263, 4.70/4.77) - 2nd-4th
3. OT Paul McQuistan, Weber State (6061, 312, 5.07/5.10) - 3rd-4th
4. FS Antoine Bethea, Howard (5110, 203, 4.39/4.45) - 3rd
5. CB David Pittman, Northwestern State (La.) (5112, 182, 4.44/4.52) - 2nd-4th
6. DE Brent Hawkins, Illinois State (6022, 242, 4.72/4.74) - 3rd-5th
8. OT/OG Willie Colon, Hofstra (6027, 320, 5.31/5.36) - 3rd-4th
9. OT Kevin Boothe, Cornell (6047, 320, 5.36/5.41) - 3rd-4th
10. WR Miles Austin, Monmouth (6021, 220, 4.47/4.52) - 3rd-4th
11. FS Reed Doughty, Northern Colorado, 6004, 209, 4.60/4.67 - 5th
12. QB Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama State, 6017, 224, 4.64/4.74 - 5th-6th
14. QB Erik Meyer, Eastern Washington, 6011, 209, 4.66/4.74 - 5th-6th
17. DE Jason Hatcher, Grambling State, 6057, 284, 4.75/4.82 - 5th-6th
19. WR Marques Colston, Hofstra, 6045, 220, 4.43/4.51 - 6th-7th round
20. K Jon Scifres, Missouri State, 6005, 224, 4.95/5.00 - 6th-PFA

Others to keep in mind:

21. QB Barrick Nealy, Texas State, 6037, 220, 4.62/4.66 - 6th-PFA
22. DE/DT Darrell Adams, Villanova, 6042, 275, 4.86/4.89 - 7th
23. DE/OLB Jason Hunter, Appalachian State, 6042, 245, 4.53/4.59 - 7th
24. OT Ryan Gibbons, Northeastern, 6052, 318, 5.08/5.09 - 7th
26. TE Daniel Fells, UC Davis, 6033, 262, 4.81/4.85 - 7th-PFA
27. QB Ingle Martin, Furman, 6022, 222, 4.65/4.75 - 7th-PFA
28. QB Travis Lulay, Montana State, 6021, 213, 4.69/4.75 - 7th-PFA
29. CB/FS Cortland Finnegan, Samford, 5097, 188, 4.33/4.35 - 7th-PFA
31. CB Jay McCareins, Princeton, 5112, 193, 4.57/4.60 - 7th-PFA
36. QB Bruce Eugene, Grambling State, 6002, 260, 5.08/5.18 - 7th-PFA
37. FB Nick Hartigan, Brown, 6010, 227, 4.69/4.78 - 7th-PFA
38. FS Shannon James, UMASS, 5090, 203, 4.45/4.51 - 7th-PFA
40. DT Fred Evans, Texas State, 6046, 305, 5.12/5.15 - PFA


Link please