Last place Yankees...

[AppGuy04]

I love those three words in the same sentence:hurray: :hurray:

[dbackjon]

Excellent!

[colgate13]

Oh please! I remember the same crap last year at this time and look how that ended. Give it a rest! The Yankees will be there in the end, most likely winning the division at least.

[AppGuy04]

Oh please! I remember the same crap last year at this time and look how that ended. Give it a rest! The Yankees will be there in the end, most likely winning the division at least.

I'm sure they will, but let me enjoy it while I can. I think Toronto and Boston might have enough to knock the Yanks out, but we'll see, thats the beauty of baseball

[TheValleyRaider]

I'd like to see how your team would start the season if they began @Oakland then @Anahiem :rotateh: :rotateh: :rotateh:

Especially if you're a fan of that AAA league: the NL :p

[AppGuy04]

I'd like to see how your team would start the season if they began @Oakland then @Anahiem :rotateh: :rotateh: :rotateh:

Especially if you're a fan of that AAA league: the NL :p

you mean the league where they play pure baseball, not that DH crap, by the way, Bronson Arroyo has more homeruns than Gary Sheffield, and the same amount as ARod, hahahaxlolx xlolx

[MR. CHICKEN]

LAST PLACE YANKEES...WON'T LAST!.............BAWK!

LAST PLACE PHILLIES.............WILL!..............BAWK!

[blukeys]

LAST PLACE YANKEES...WON'T LAST!.............BAWK!

LAST PLACE PHILLIES.............WILL!..............BAWK!


SAD to say I have to agree.

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

[Tod]

http://www.cincinnatilandmarkproductions.com/sbm/images/Damn%20Yankees.gif

[HiHiYikas]

I love those three words in the same sentence:hurray: :hurray:
It's been close to a decade since that same sentence hasn't included the words "but only at the beginning of April." Surely we haven't forgotten when 1-4 turned into 114-48.

Same goes "Undefeated Brewers," and "First Place Tigers."

[JoltinJoe]

Join the journey as the Yankees capture their 9th straight first-place finish in 2006.

Here Come the Yankees (http://www.thedeadballera.com/yankees.wav)

[Gil Dobie]

The Yankees are in Minnesota this weekend for a three game sweep. :)

[bandl]

Oh please! I remember the same crap last year at this time and look how that ended. Give it a rest! The Yankees will be there in the end, most likely winning the division at least.

And then they'll still choke in the post-season...xcoffeex :hurray:

[UNH 40]

It is early still. However I do think that there lack of solid pitching with the exception of Johnson and Rivera will eventually do them in. Pitching is the name of the game that is why the sox will take the AL east and go deep into the playoffs because of there depth in there pitching staff.

[colgate13]

And then they'll still choke in the post-season...xcoffeex :hurray:

26 World Series titles
39 AL Pennants


Yea, choke! :smiley_wi

[bandl]

26 World Series titles
39 AL Pennants


Yea, choke! :smiley_wi

Add the title of 'The Biggest Choke-job in the History of Professional American Sports' to that list! ;)

What else have they done lately? Didn't they all but guarantee the World Series last season? And the year before that...and the year before that...and the year before that...

[colgate13]

What else have they done lately? Didn't they all but guarantee the World Series last season? And the year before that...and the year before that...and the year before that...

Lately? 4 out of the last 10 World Series titles isn't enough for you????

6 out of the last 10 AL Pennants isn't enough for you???? Being competitive in every year they didn't win a pennant isn't enough?

Jeez! Name a team with better stats than that! That's the problem with being the best I guess... unrealistic expectations. Name a fan who wouldn't trade their teams records with the success of the Yankees and you'll be showing me a liar. :twocents:

[bandl]

Lately? 4 out of the last 10 World Series titles isn't enough for you????

6 out of the last 10 AL Pennants isn't enough for you???? Being competitive in every year they didn't win a pennant isn't enough?

Jeez! Name a team with better stats than that! That's the problem with being the best I guess... unrealistic expectations. Name a fan who wouldn't trade their teams records with the success of the Yankees and you'll be showing me a liar. :twocents:

I could not care less about the yankees or their history. I hate the yankees. Always have, always will. Nothing personal, of course! ;) But you know how it is with the yanks...either love 'em or hate 'em! I'm definitely the latter.

[saint0917]

Oh please! I remember the same crap last year at this time and look how that ended.

Yes how did it end, lets see, NO Worlds Series ring and a $500 Billion dollar payroll :D xlolx

[JoltinJoe]

The Yankees have been in the post-season 11 straight seasons.

They have won 8 straight AL East titles.

They have played in six World Series in the past 10 seasons.

They have won four World Series in that stretch.

And the only response you guys have is that the Yankees' season is a failure if they don't win the World Series. That's tantamount to admitting that the Yankees are the standard by which all other teams are judged.

[JoltinJoe]

Yes how did it end, lets see, NO Worlds Series ring and a $500 Billion dollar payroll :D xlolx

Actually, the Yankees' season ended better than the Red Sox defense of their "wild card championship" in 2004. For the Sox, another season of the back door route into the playoffs culminating in a pathetic first-round sweep.

[colgate13]

You get 'em Joe! ;)

They know in their heart of hearts they GOT NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Gratuitous Yankee homage time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Babe_Ruth.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Joe_DiMaggio.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Don_Mattingly.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/ReggieJackson_HomeRun.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/DerekJeterXMRadio.jpg

[bandl]

the Yankees' season is a failure if they don't win the World Series.

You took the words out of Steinbrenner's mouth, as well as Torre's and the rest of the Yankee players.

[bandl]

You get 'em Joe! ;)

They know in their heart of hearts they GOT NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Gratuitous Yankee homage time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Babe_Ruth.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Joe_DiMaggio.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Don_Mattingly.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/ReggieJackson_HomeRun.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/DerekJeterXMRadio.jpg
All queers I tell ya! The lot of 'em! :p Bah!!! :rotateh:

[colgate13]

All queers I tell ya! The lot of 'em! :p Bah!!! :rotateh:

Dude, Reggie Jackson was my baseball HERO growing up! That's it, we's fightin' now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shakingma:shakingma:shakingma:sh akingma



;)

[Gil Dobie]

All queers I tell ya! The lot of 'em! :p Bah!!! :rotateh:

Say it ain't so.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40406000/jpg/_40406517_marriage_238.jpg

[saint0917]

Actually, the Yankees' season ended better than the Red Sox defense of their "wild card championship" in 2004. For the Sox, another season of the back door route into the playoffs culminating in a pathetic first-round sweep.

I'm not sure what the Red Sox have to do with this:confused: Plus I'm NOT a Red Sox fan, I like the A's. :nod:

http://www.mlb.com/mlb/images/allstar2001/ucs/ph_ucs_rollie_fingers_110.jpg http://www.straybaseball.com/mwwl/images/players/Catfish_Hunter74-2.jpg
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/oakland/Billyoak.JPGhttp://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/oakland/Eckoak.JPG
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/oakland/Stewart.jpghttp://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/oakland/DWilliamsoak.jpg

[Gil Dobie]

Yes how did it end, lets see, NO Worlds Series ring and a $500 Billion dollar payroll :D xlolx

Payroll was under $200,00. What was their profit in 2005?

[JoltinJoe]

I'm not sure what the Red Sox have to do with this:confused: Plus I'm NOT a Red Sox fan, I like the A's. :nod:


I assumed due to the UMass avatar that you were a Sox fan.

[JoltinJoe]

It is early still. However I do think that there lack of solid pitching with the exception of Johnson and Rivera will eventually do them in. Pitching is the name of the game that is why the sox will take the AL east and go deep into the playoffs because of there depth in there pitching staff.

xlolx

Pitching? The Sox have Beckett, fine. Then Schilling pitching on borrowed time. He'll be DLed by May. Then what? Wakefield? He's fine if his knuckleball knuckles, but he's going to get blasted when it doesn't/ Put him down for 4.50 ERA. Wells? He's one enchalida away from carrying so much weight he'll need traction. Clement? History (not just last year) says he's a one half pitcher.

And the Sox traded Arroyo with this staff?

So you seriously think this is enough to even finish second in the AL East?

[saint0917]

I assumed due to the UMass avatar that you were a Sox fan.

I do like the Red Sox, their just not my favorite team.

[saint0917]

Payroll was under $200,00. What was their profit in 2005?

The A's payroll for this year is $71 Million, but Fox Sports has them at $62 Million. Gil I'm not sure what their profit was in 2005, I can't find anything on that. Their profit can't be very good there is talk about the A's moving to Fremont.

Fremont A's?? YUCK (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/30/sports/s103933S70.DTL&feed=rss.athletics)

A's Payroll (http://www.insidebayarea.com/athletics/ci_3670729)

Team-By-Team Payroll (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5476130)

[JoltinJoe]

I do like the Red Sox, their just not my favorite team.

This isn't ringing true. Every A's fan I know absolutely despises the Red Sox.

Has to do with the classless way the Red Sox handled themselves during the 2003 ALDS with Oakland. That really left a bad taste in the mouths of all the A's fans I know.

[saint0917]

This isn't ringing true. Every A's fan I know absolutely despises the Red Sox.

Well, I was born and raised in Mass. I lived in Mass. for 37 years (I live in CT. now) so I have always followed the Red Sox. When we were kids, once a year my dad would take us to see the Red Sox, I remember standing near the Soxs dugout and guys like Fred Lynn, Jim Rice, Carlton Fisk, Yaz, Luis Tiant, etc... would come over and sign a note pad I had brought with me. So I guess this is one A's fan who likes the Red Sox. :nod:

[Gil Dobie]

Here is a link for 1995-99

Economists: Baseball's debts misleading
(http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/2000/0719/641139.html)
1995-99 Operating Profits/Losses (millions)
1. Yankees +64.50
2. Indians +45.92
3. Rockies +12.44
4. Devil Rays -4.88
5. Expos -5.14
6. Red Sox -5.43
7. Braves -6.88
8. Orioles -10.03
9. Pirates -18.90
10. Cubs -30.36

[UNH 40]

xlolx

Pitching? The Sox have Beckett, fine. Then Schilling pitching on borrowed time. He'll be DLed by May. Then what? Wakefield? He's fine if his knuckleball knuckles, but he's going to get blasted when it doesn't/ Put him down for 4.50 ERA. Wells? He's one enchalida away from carrying so much weight he'll need traction. Clement? History (not just last year) says he's a one half pitcher.

And the Sox traded Arroyo with this staff?

So you seriously think this is enough to even finish second in the AL East?

How do you figure that Schilling is pitching on borrowed time. You have no idea what you are talking about. He is healthier now, and throwing harder then he was when he was in 2004 when he won 20 games. He will win 20 games this season with an ERA right around 3. If you want to talk about pitching on borrowed time how about mentioning Johnson who is 42, your boy MOOSE! give me a break, with his back problems he will be on the DL by May. I will take Wakefield (a guy who kills the Yankees), and Clement (won 14 games last season i don't care if that was in one half or not it is still 14 wins) 2 proven MLB pitchers over your scrubs Chacon, and Wang. As for Wells I don't know, but I do know that he won 14 games last season, I would take 10 or 12 from him this year. If he fails we have Papelbon who is pitching better than anyone in Baseball right now to step in and let himself become the next Clemens. There Bullpen is stronger as well I will take Papelbon ( if he stays there), Foulke, Timlin, and Tavarez over any of your guys with the exception of Rivera.

The staff will get stronger by mid summer when the sox get either Clemens or Dontrell Willis.

The Yankees are getting old my friend and getting old fast, from there pitching right through there line-up and they don't have nearly the wealth of talent in there farm system that the Sox do. Again the sox will win the AL East, Why? Because they have Great pitching and it will get better by mid season.

[JoltinJoe]

Your comment that Papelbon is the next Clemens is all I need to point to. You are way too optimistic.

Chacon and Wang are the real deal. Few guys in baseball have movement on their pitches the way Chacon and Wang do.

As for Schilling, I expect him to be DLed after a few good starts with a lacerated tongue from talking too much. xlolx

P.S. -- If Willis is going anywhere, it's New York, my friend. The Sox don't have the prospects to land Willis.

[AppGuy04]

Your comment that Papelbon is the next Clemens is all I need to point to. You are way too optimistic.

Chacon and Wang are the real deal. Few guys in baseball have movement on their pitches the way Chacon and Wang do.

As for Schilling, I expect him to be DLed after a few good starts with a lacerated tongue from talking too much. xlolx

P.S. -- If Willis is going anywhere, it's New York, my friend. The Sox don't have the prospects to land Willis.

Dontrelle isn't going anywhere, he's all they have left. If they trade him, they might as well fold the team

[JoltinJoe]

Dontrelle isn't going anywhere, he's all they have left. If they trade him, they might as well fold the team

I don't disagree with you. That's why I prefaced my comment with "If Willis is going anywhere ..."

Trading Willis would be tantamount to telling the fans "stay home, we have no one worth watching." Besides Willis is still young and not earning big bucks yet (relatively speaking, about $4.5 mil).

And although he is pitching on a one-year deal, he's not free agent eligible for another three years.

My guess is that the Marlins try to lock up him with a long-term deal to avoid salary arbitration next year. But there is no compelling need to move Willis during the season. If the Marlins can't work out a long-term deal, and they don't like the number that gets awarded for next season through salary arbitration, only then would they have any reason to move Willis. So I don't see him going anywhere until next year at the earliest, and only if the Marlins can't get a long-term deal done and Willis goes through salary arbitration and gets awarded a number too high for the Marlins' budget.

[UNH 40]

Your comment that Papelbon is the next Clemens is all I need to point to. You are way too optimistic.

Chacon and Wang are the real deal. Few guys in baseball have movement on their pitches the way Chacon and Wang do.

As for Schilling, I expect him to be DLed after a few good starts with a lacerated tongue from talking too much. xlolx

P.S. -- If Willis is going anywhere, it's New York, my friend. The Sox don't have the prospects to land Willis.


You obviously don't know much about your own team. First off Chacon and Wang are average major league pitchers at the very best. Neither one of them will win more the 12 games. There is not a person in this world who believes that either Chacon or Wang are better that Papelbon on his worst day.

I still don't know why you believe that Schilling is going to land on the DL, He is HEALTHY and back to his old self.

And finally to prove my point that you know nothing about the team that you fallow. The Yankees have amoung the worst level of talent in there farm system of any team in the majors, where as the Red Sox have either the best or the second best farm system in MLB. This means that if the red sox want to go out and get Willis they will, the have the good young and cheap players to deal. The question is do they want to part with there young can't miss lefty Jon Lester.

P.S. Bring some knowledge of your own team before posting this garbage!!!!xidiotx

[UNH 40]

I don't disagree with you. That's why I prefaced my comment with "If Willis is going anywhere ..."

Trading Willis would be tantamount to telling the fans "stay home, we have no one worth watching." Besides Willis is still young and not earning big bucks yet (relatively speaking, about $4.5 mil).

And although he is pitching on a one-year deal, he's not free agent eligible for another three years.

My guess is that the Marlins try to lock up him with a long-term deal to avoid salary arbitration next year. But there is no compelling need to move Willis during the season. If the Marlins can't work out a long-term deal, and they don't like the number that gets awarded for next season through salary arbitration, only then would they have any reason to move Willis. So I don't see him going anywhere until next year at the earliest, and only if the Marlins can't get a long-term deal done and Willis goes through salary arbitration and gets awarded a number too high for the Marlins' budget.


Man you are crazy!! Do you fallow baseball? The Marlins are going to be forced to move him, because his salary is like a third of the marlins entire salary. They also are most likely going to move you fenom Miguel Cabrara because his salary is also about a third of what the marlins pay role is. One of them will be trade before the deadline, and believe me if they can get Jon Lester for one of them they will jump all over it.

[AppGuy04]

I don't disagree with you. That's why I prefaced my comment with "If Willis is going anywhere ..."

Trading Willis would be tantamount to telling the fans "stay home, we have no one worth watching." Besides Willis is still young and not earning big bucks yet (relatively speaking, about $4.5 mil).

And although he is pitching on a one-year deal, he's not free agent eligible for another three years.

My guess is that the Marlins try to lock up him with a long-term deal to avoid salary arbitration next year. But there is no compelling need to move Willis during the season. If the Marlins can't work out a long-term deal, and they don't like the number that gets awarded for next season through salary arbitration, only then would they have any reason to move Willis. So I don't see him going anywhere until next year at the earliest, and only if the Marlins can't get a long-term deal done and Willis goes through salary arbitration and gets awarded a number too high for the Marlins' budget.

Hermida is supposed to be the 2nd coming of JC, I've yet to see it. I say 5 years before they are even a .500 team again



BTW- as of today, the Yanks are tied for 2nd place, ahhaha

[saint0917]

Chacon and Wang are the real deal. Few guys in baseball have movement on their pitches the way Chacon and Wang do.


Chacon and Wang the "Real Deal":confused:

Wang: 10.2 IP, 5.91 ERA, 9 Runs, 7 ER, 15 Hits. xidiotx

Chacon: 10.2 IP, 7.59 ERA, 9 Runs, 9 ER, 15 Hits. xidiotx

Their both giving up almost a run an inning, their both giving up over a hit an inning. I know it's early in the season, but do you really call that the "Real Deal?"

Papelbon: 5.0 IP, 0.00 ERA, 0 Runs, 0 ERA, 1 Hit, 4 Saves.

It looks to me like Papelbon is the "Real Deal" :nod:

[JoltinJoe]

Man you are crazy!! Do you fallow baseball? The Marlins are going to be forced to move him, because his salary is like a third of the marlins entire salary. They also are most likely going to move you fenom Miguel Cabrara because his salary is also about a third of what the marlins pay role is. One of them will be trade before the deadline, and believe me if they can get Jon Lester for one of them they will jump all over it.

Cabrera makes less than $500,000. And you have the friggin nerve to ask if I follow baseball? You have no idea what you're talking about.

[AppGuy04]

Chacon and Wang the "Real Deal":confused:

Wang: 10.2 IP, 5.91 ERA, 9 Runs, 7 ER, 15 Hits. xidiotx

Chacon: 10.2 IP, 7.59 ERA, 9 Runs, 9 ER, 15 Hits. xidiotx

Their both giving up almost a run an inning, their both giving up over a hit an inning. I know it's early in the season, but do you really call that the "Real Deal?"

Papelbon: 5.0 IP, 0.00 ERA, 0 Runs, 0 ERA, 1 Hit, 4 Saves.

It looks to me like Papelbon is the "Real Deal" :nod:

if JP can keep it up, that gives the Red Sox a pretty good pen, and with the offense they put up, I'd say they win the division

[JoltinJoe]

Chacon and Wang the "Real Deal":confused:

Wang: 10.2 IP, 5.91 ERA, 9 Runs, 7 ER, 15 Hits. xidiotx

Chacon: 10.2 IP, 7.59 ERA, 9 Runs, 9 ER, 15 Hits. xidiotx

Their both giving up almost a run an inning, their both giving up over a hit an inning. I know it's early in the season, but do you really call that the "Real Deal?"

Papelbon: 5.0 IP, 0.00 ERA, 0 Runs, 0 ERA, 1 Hit, 4 Saves.

It looks to me like Papelbon is the "Real Deal" :nod:

Big talk eight games in the season. :nono:

The Yankees won the division last year (for the 8th straight time) because they went out there with Wang and Chacon, while the Sox were throwing out old men like Wakefield (the "Yankee killer" who lost the AL East pennant clincher to the Yankees) and Wells. And of course, the predictably lousy first-half phenom Matt Clement, who is relatively young and has many more second-half flops ahead of him.

Expect more of the same this year.

[saint0917]

Big talk eight games in the season. :nono:

Your the one who said they were the real deal. Big talk eight games into the season xidiotx :D

[JoltinJoe]

Your the one who said they were the real deal. Big talk eight games into the season xidiotx :D

What I'm saying isn't talk. Wang and Chacon did it on the field last year, and the Yanks took home the AL East title for the 8th time in a row as a result.

Repeat after me: "The Yankees beat out the Sox last year, and won the division for the 8th straight time, because of Wang, Chacon, and Aaron Small."

The "talk" is the whining from Beantown all of the off-season that what Wang and Chacon did was a fluke. But you guys are great at bragging in April, so go right ahead. You've gotten the best of us once in the last 87 years.

[colgate13]

The "talk" is the whining from Beantown all of season that what Wang and Chacon did was a fluke. But you guys are great at bragging in April, so go right ahead. You've gotten the best of us once in the last 87 years.

EXACTLY Joe. Nothing but a lot of hot air from the Sox fans, which is typical this time of year. They might be a bit bolder because they're only 1 year into another LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG dry spell. xcoffeex

Doesn't change who's their Daddy. :smiley_wi

[UNH 40]

What I'm saying isn't talk. Wang and Chacon did it on the field last year, and the Yanks took home the AL East title for the 8th time in a row as a result.

Repeat after me: "The Yankees beat out the Sox last year, and won the division for the 8th straight time, because of Wang, Chacon, and Aaron Small."

The "talk" is the whining from Beantown all of season that what Wang and Chacon did was a fluke. But you guys are great at bragging in April, so go right ahead. You've gotten the best of us once in the last 87 years.


Papelbon did it on the field as well last season. He pitched 34 innings with a 2.65 ERA and 34 k's. that is the "real deal". Aaron Small will make it less than half of a season in the bigs, what he did last season truely was a miracle, he will not repeat it.

I was wrong about Cabrera i admit that, he is arbitration eligible and asking for close 5 mill. the marlins simply will not hold onto both him and willis and cabrera, therefore one of them will be traded and Bostons farm system is far superior to NY to land either one of them.

As far as the 87 years comment, good for you who won a series more recently that is all i care about. That other crap is ancient history.

P.S. If you truely believe that Chacon, Wang and Aaron are better than what Papelbon will do this year you no credibility.

[JoltinJoe]

Papelbon did it on the field as well last season. He pitched 34 innings with a 2.65 ERA and 34 k's. that is the "real deal". Aaron Small will make it less than half of a season in the bigs, what he did last season truely was a miracle, he will not repeat it.

I was wrong about Cabrera i admit that, he is arbitration eligible and asking for close 5 mill. the marlins simply will not hold onto both him and willis and cabrera, therefore one of them will be traded and Bostons farm system is far superior to NY to land either one of them.

But why do you assume that the Marlins will trade both Willis and Cabrera without at least making an effort to sign them to a reasonable longer-term deal to avoid salary arbitration? You build teams around young talent like Willis and Cabrera. You try to lock up talent like that at a price you can afford before resorting to trades.

As for Papelbon, I didn't say he's not the real deal. I like Papelbon. But so long as the Sox need him to do Foulke's job, he's not getting into the starting rotation.

[bandl]

Back to the original point of this thread...

The Yankees can suck my a$$. :D

[UNH 40]

Back to the original point of this thread...

The Yankees can suck my a$$. :D


xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx
Thats great.


As for Joltin joes last post, the marlins are going to need to unload both of these guys at some point because they do not have the money to pay either one of them what they will eventually demand so long as there fan base and revenue is the worst in baseball. Instead of losing them to free agency they want to get young players that are signed to long deals for short money. Kind of like the one that they signed cabrara for 6 years ago. Willis' and Cabreras contract is going to rise steadily through arbitration for the next 2-3 years and the Marlins can't pay them. That is why they will get traded.

[saint0917]

What I'm saying isn't talk. Wang and Chacon did it on the field last year, and the Yanks took home the AL East title for the 8th time in a row as a result.


Your talking the talk, but their not walking the walk. Please re-read the stats. Come on, Chacon has been nothing but a bum his whole career. As for Wang, well he's just a young bum. xlolx

[saint0917]

Back to the original point of this thread...

The Yankees can suck my a$$. :D

That's not all they suck xlolx

[JoltinJoe]

Your talking the talk, but their not walking the walk. Please re-read the stats. Come on, Chacon has been nothing but a bum his whole career. As for Wang, well he's just a young bum. xlolx

Chacon throws a fastball in the low 90's with as much movement as anyone in the bigs. Nasty movement.

He's 28, coming into his prime, has excellent mechanics, and has finally gotten out of Colorado.

This was a steal for the Yankees.

As for Wang, ask Jorge Posada who has the nastiest stuff on the Yankees' starting staff, and he'll tell you Wang.

[AppGuy04]

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx
Thats great.


As for Joltin joes last post, the marlins are going to need to unload both of these guys at some point because they do not have the money to pay either one of them what they will eventually demand so long as there fan base and revenue is the worst in baseball. Instead of losing them to free agency they want to get young players that are signed to long deals for short money. Kind of like the one that they signed cabrara for 6 years ago. Willis' and Cabreras contract is going to rise steadily through arbitration for the next 2-3 years and the Marlins can't pay them. That is why they will get traded.

If they trade both of those guys, their attendance will be less than the student enrollment at Wofford

[UNH 40]

If they trade both of those guys, their attendance will be less than the student enrollment at Wofford

That is why they want to move the franchise to a city that will support and embrace a pro ball club, I hope they do because it is sad what has happened down there. Think of all the players that should be on there team but have been trade because of lack of money. To name a few: Beckett, Burnett, Delgado, LaDuca, Pierre, Alou, Castilla....etc,

[saint0917]

Chacon throws a fastball in the low 90's with as much movement as anyone in the bigs. Nasty movement.

He's 28, coming into his prime, has excellent mechanics, and has finally gotten out of Colorado.



It doesn't matter how fast you throw, or how nasty your movement is. The bottom line are W's and L's and this guy has lots of L's. Chacon isn't even a below average pitcher, he's WAY below average. I wouldn't put him on my team in a Wiffle Ball Game.;) :p

2001 W-6, L-10, ERA 5.06
2002 W-5, L- 11, ERA 5.73
2003 W-11, L-8, ERA 4.60
2004 W-1, L-9, ERA 7.11
2005 W-8, L-10, ERA, ERA 3.44 COL./NYY
2006 W-1, L-1, ERA 7.59

[GannonFan]

If they trade both of those guys, their attendance will be less than the student enrollment at Wofford

The Marlins are going to move, it's only a question of exactly when and where to. The voters rejected a proposal for a new stadium and the current owner has pretty much already said that without a new stadium he's going to move the Marlins. The firesale in the off-season was part of that as it came after the rejection for a new stadium. Look for the team to move to San Antonio, Portland, or *gasp* Las Vegas sometime in the near future.

[bandl]

That is why they want to move the franchise to a city that will support and embrace a pro ball club, I hope they do because it is sad what has happened down there. Think of all the players that should be on there team but have been trade because of lack of money. To name a few: Beckett, Burnett, Delgado, LaDuca, Pierre, Alou, Castilla....etc,
Here's a couple things they could do to increase the support in that city:

1) Win a World Series or two (:smiley_wi )

2) Get them out of that stadium that is named after the city's football team :eek:

[GannonFan]

It doesn't matter how fast you throw, or how nasty your movement is. The bottom line are W's and L's and this guy has lots of L's. Chacon isn't even a below average pitcher, he's WAY below average. I wouldn't put him on my team in a Wiffle Ball Game.;) :p

2001 W-6, L-10, ERA 5.06
2002 W-5, L- 11, ERA 5.73
2003 W-11, L-8, ERA 4.60
2004 W-1, L-9, ERA 7.11
2005 W-8, L-10, ERA, ERA 3.44 COL./NYY
2006 W-1, L-1, ERA 7.59

I actually think ERA is a little more important in judging pitchers than W's and L's - the offensives on some teams can certainly cover the warts on a bad pitcher. As for Chacon, he was lightning in a bottle last year for the Yanks - he's not something to count on this year though. Wang could be different, but Chacon is a hack.

[JoltinJoe]

It doesn't matter how fast you throw, or how nasty your movement is. The bottom line are W's and L's and this guy has lots of L's. Chacon isn't even a below average pitcher, he's WAY below average. I wouldn't put him on my team in a Wiffle Ball Game.;) :p

2001 W-6, L-10, ERA 5.06
2002 W-5, L- 11, ERA 5.73
2003 W-11, L-8, ERA 4.60
2004 W-1, L-9, ERA 7.11
2005 W-8, L-10, ERA, ERA 3.44 COL./NYY
2006 W-1, L-1, ERA 7.59

Movement isn't important? Come on. If your ball moves enough so that you cause the clean-up hitter to miss the sweet spot on the bat by 1/4 inch, that's an out at Yankee Stadium, and in almost every ballpark. Maybe a deep out, but an out.

In Colorado, given the atmosphere, that ball might still leave the park -- even if the hitter misses the sweet spot.

His Colorado numbers mean nothing now. Colorado is a lousy place to break in for a pitcher. Pitching in Colorado can destory the confidence of even an experienced pitcher. Remember Mike Hampton's stay at Coors?

[saint0917]

I actually think ERA is a little more important in judging pitchers than W's and L's - the offensives on some teams can certainly cover the warts on a bad pitcher.

Your right ERA is more important. If Randy Johnson pitched for K.C. he would still have a low ERA, but, he probably only win 11-12 games because K.C. just can't seem to put any runs on the board.

[UNH 40]

Your right ERA is more important. If Randy Johnson pitched for K.C. he would still have a low ERA, but, he probably only win 11-12 games because K.C. just can't seem to put any runs on the board.


K.C. Is a minor league team, there is another sad representation of a once proud franchise. Its to bad.

[saint0917]

Movement isn't important? Come on.

In Colorado, given the atmosphere, that ball might still leave the park -- even if the hitter misses the sweet spot.


I never said movement wasn't important, because it is. I know Coors Field isn't a great place to judge pitching, but what's his excuse this year? He got spanked by Oakland, even in his win against a WEAK K.C. team he was hit hard for 6 innings.

[saint0917]

K.C. Is a minor league team, there is another sad representation of a once proud franchise. Its to bad.


They need to bring George Brett back. And have everyone use lots of pine tar. ;)

[JoltinJoe]

I never said movement wasn't important, because it is. I know Coors Field isn't a great place to judge pitching, but what's his excuse this year? He got spanked by Oakland, even in his win against a WEAK K.C. team he was hit hard for 6 innings.

Geez, it's two starts. And even, then he pitched pretty well after the first inning yesterday.

[colgate13]

Geez, it's two starts. And even, then he pitched pretty well after the first inning yesterday.

Joe, let's just be sure to reconvene this thread in oh, say August? :nod:

[bandl]

Joe, let's just be sure to reconvene this thread in oh, say August? :nod:

And then again in October, when the Yankees, once again, lose in the playoffs (assuming they make the playoffs, that is) after they had already 'bought' the World Series trophy. :nod: :nod:

Boy...it sure is easy to piss off them Yankee faithful, isn't it?? :D

[AppGuy04]

The Marlins are going to move, it's only a question of exactly when and where to. The voters rejected a proposal for a new stadium and the current owner has pretty much already said that without a new stadium he's going to move the Marlins. The firesale in the off-season was part of that as it came after the rejection for a new stadium. Look for the team to move to San Antonio, Portland, or *gasp* Las Vegas sometime in the near future.

I think of those 3, SA is probably most likely. I don't think a team will ever go to Vegas. I'd like to see Charlotte or Raleigh get a team, but most of the bigger cities in the Carolinas already have minor league teams