UNH @ Lehigh Thread: The Battle for a Top Ten Spot

[Bogus Megapardus]

No mercy against the Tigers next week!

My loyalties are divided on this one (given my post-Lafayette educational circumstances) but when it comes to sports, I am a Patriot League fan to the end. Knock 'em out, engineers (but I won't be too upset if you don't).

[RichH2]

My loyalties are divided on this one (given my post-Lafayette educational circumstances) but when it comes to sports, I am a Patriot League fan to the end. Knock 'em out, engineers (but I won't be too upset if you don't).

Fair enuf Bogie , Good luk tonite

[Wildcat80]

this will be the last game that the particular official will be involved in. He will get fired for this disgusting call at the end of the game...

My highly placed sources tell me he is a UNH alum........or was that a Leopard????

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

If these teams play 10 times they'd split, imo, they're that equal.

Lehigh has to get their special teams in order ASAP. That's a bigger concern than the defense imo. Over time i think the D will be ok. People knew going in it this game was going to be high scoring.

Hopefully some of Lehigh's walking wounded will heal up for next week. The OL is a little beat up right now but i think it's building reallly good depth. Once McKena returns they'll be stacked. Hood's going to be very, very good by the time leaves.

The game against Liberty just got bigger too. If Lehigh wins that one and can survive the league with 1 loss they'll be in good shape in terms of getting into the playoffs.

[Mattymc727]

While it was a terrible call that put UNH ahead. It was still only a first down play and UNH still could have scored had the right call been made. Also, lehigh still had the opportunity to tie the game and they didnt. Yes, it was a terrible call, but Im not so sure that it totally decided the game.

[RichH2]

While it was a terrible call that put UNH ahead. It was still only a first down play and UNH still could have scored had the right call been made. Also, lehigh still had the opportunity to tie the game and they didnt. Yes, it was a terrible call, but Im not so sure that it totally decided the game.

True as far as it goes. If correct call UNH still had the opportunity to score but call did give UNH a score. That is a fact not just a possibility of scoring. Lum still threw an INT on our side so one will ever know how things might have changed with a correct call

[RichH2]

If these teams play 10 times they'd split, imo, they're that equal.

Lehigh has to get their special teams in order ASAP. That's a bigger concern than the defense imo. Over time i think the D will be ok. People knew going in it this game was going to be high scoring.

Hopefully some of Lehigh's walking wounded will heal up for next week. The OL is a little beat up right now but i think it's building reallly good depth. Once McKena returns they'll be stacked. Hood's going to be very, very good by the time leaves.

The game against Liberty just got bigger too. If Lehigh wins that one and can survive the league with 1 loss they'll be in good shape in terms of getting into the playoffs.


If Hood had not been injured last yr he would already be starting. We make one of the missed EPs and we win in reg time. ST must improve. 2ndary will I think get better as the season moves on but today they were not good against an excellent qb. We face 2 more of these vs Liberty and Yale

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

True as far as it goes. If correct call UNH still had the opportunity to score but call did give UNH a score. That is a fact not just a possibility of scoring. Lum still threw an INT on our side so one will ever know how things might have changed with a correct call

Ultimately, the difference in the game was the first 5 minutes of the second half and special teams. Lehigh has not had a reliable FG kicker since Douglas!

[RichH2]

Ultimately, the difference in the game was the first 5 minutes of the second half and special teams. Lehigh has not had a reliable FG kicker since Douglas!

TRUe score on a Lum INTdeep in LU end and punt return not on D . I still go back to missed EP. No excuse. for either one.

[R3TRO]

wrong

ultimately the difference in the game was the disgusting call by the ref at the end of the game

Or the interception thrown right after that. Everyone agrees it was a bad call but Lehigh had their chance and blew it.

[LehighGuy]

Or the interception thrown right after that. Everyone agrees it was a bad call but Lehigh had their chance and blew it.

I don't think anyone is saying that but for the call Lehigh would have won the game. You just hate to see a game as epic as this afternoon end with a bad call which so grossly influences the outcome. It's like going to a movie and having someone shout out the ending with ten minutes left. It ruins the whole experience.

[danefan]

danefan, please come back to this thread to apologize once Lehigh blows out UNH and makes the top ten in the rankings


Are we seriously doing this again.

Seems to me like you should be the one eating some crow.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?91634-AGS-Top-25-Week-1-Results&p=1666902&viewfull=1#post1666902

And read this closely smart guy - blowing UNH out may be a Top Ten performance, but winning this game not a lock for either team as LFN claims.

Worry about the game first. You can come back and eat your crow afterwards.

http://www.nashvillescene.com/imager/eat-crow-watch-th.come-titans-pluck-the-ravens-saturday-at-the-belcourt/b/original/1481970/941a/EatCrow.jpg

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Dane,

He's a Princeton guy at heart so it all makes sense. When Lehigh beats the Tigers by 4 TD's next week he would have preferred the Hawks be Top 10. Well, Top 20 will have to do.

[dwtime]

I didn't see the call but I looked at all the posts saying it was a bad call so I assume it was. The thing i was wondering were both feet out of bounds when he caught the ball? because most of the posts I've been reading say one leg was out of bounds and unless they changed the college rules that is a legit catch as long as you have on foot in bounds, am I wrong?

[PantherRob82]

I don't think anyone is saying that but for the call Lehigh would have won the game. You just hate to see a game as epic as this afternoon end with a bad call which so grossly influences the outcome. It's like going to a movie and having someone shout out the ending with ten minutes left. It ruins the whole experience.

TheFan is. That's why it keeps getting brought up.

[PantherRob82]

I didn't see the call but I looked at all the posts saying it was a bad call so I assume it was. The thing i was wondering were both feet out of bounds when he caught the ball? because most of the posts I've been reading say one leg was out of bounds and unless they changed the college rules that is a legit catch as long as you have on foot in bounds, am I wrong?

The foot in bounds would have to touch first.

[Pard4Life]

Oh boy we are going to have to live with Lehigh fans b*tching about this game for the next ten years and how they were robbed.

[Wildcat80]

While it was a terrible call that put UNH ahead. It was still only a first down play and UNH still could have scored had the right call been made. Also, lehigh still had the opportunity to tie the game and they didnt. Yes, it was a terrible call, but Im not so sure that it totally decided the game.

UNH fans at game confirm it was the RIGHT call!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

UNH fans at game confirm it was the RIGHT call!

There is no way they could have seen it. It was on the complete opposite side of the field. The proof is in the replay. Either way, time to move on....

[LUHawker]

UNH fans at game confirm it was the RIGHT call!

Check it out for yourselves. His feet were out of bounds.

http://www.wfmz.com/sports/Controversial-call-sinks-Lehigh-in-OT/-/121402/969668/-/odj8iiz/-/index.html

[Pard4Life]

Whatever... it doesn't hurt their championship aspirations. Their poll standings will not change much. It's an OOC loss...

Bum played great and is the real deal, but makes questionable calls under pressure... and Lehigh has no pass defense. More disappointed with UNH really and their defense.

[The Historian]

He was pushed out of bounds and never came completely back in before he caught the ball. The Lehigh website has a video that shows the play at the very end of the video. It was a bad call in my opinion, but it was on first down. UNH would have had opportunities to score. It did not decide the game. UNH special teams made the difference.

[hawkineer]

Oh boy we are going to have to live with Lehigh fans b*tching about this game for the next ten years and how they were robbed.
I can understand why your a little cranky tonight, but most of the recent banter has not included LU fans "b*tching about this game". It was great game. How was yours?:D

[LehighGuy]

I didn't see the call but I looked at all the posts saying it was a bad call so I assume it was. The thing i was wondering were both feet out of bounds when he caught the ball? because most of the posts I've been reading say one leg was out of bounds and unless they changed the college rules that is a legit catch as long as you have on foot in bounds, am I wrong?

Not the best piece of footage ever but still pretty clear that both his feet/knees were out bounds when he made the catch. IMO the debatable part is whether or not he was "pushed" out of bounds. In that case, pass interference would be the right call not a TD.

http://www.wfmz.com/sports/Controversial-call-sinks-Lehigh-in-OT-Lafayette-falls-at-Georgetown/-/121402/969668/-/r5o513z/-/index.html

[LehighGuy]

Oh boy we are going to have to live with Lehigh fans b*tching about this game for the next ten years and how they were robbed.

You just lost to GEORGETOWN. Seriously, crawl back in your hole.

[R3TRO]

"Lehigh's hometown TV coverage appeared to verify a correct call - unless you were listening to the Mountain Hawks broadcasters, of course. The ruling kept one of the great homecomings of the season intact. "

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sns-tsn-agn-haley-nhf-lehigh-20110910,0,2143226.story

[UNHFootballAlum]

I saw the game and saw that play several times and while initially I thought that he was out of bounds when he caught it. When I looked at it in slow motion, his body was in the air when he made the catch and his need landed in bounds first to make it a good catch for a TD.

[WrenFGun]

UNH fans at game confirm it was the RIGHT call!

It was, 100%, the wrong call.

[LehighGuy]

"Lehigh's hometown TV coverage appeared to verify a correct call - unless you were listening to the Mountain Hawks broadcasters, of course. The ruling kept one of the great homecomings of the season intact. "

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sns-tsn-agn-haley-nhf-lehigh-20110910,0,2143226.story

If you looked at the link I posted, I'm not sure how this is even still being disputed. Obviously the video quality is not up to par for still but this is a moment before he caught the ball. Both knees/feet on the ground on the other side of the line.

http://imageshack.us/f/148/unledow.jpg/

[R3TRO]

If you looked at the link I posted, I'm not sure how this is even still being disputed. Obviously the video quality is not up to par for still but this is a moment before he caught the ball. Both knees/feet on the ground on the other side of the line.

http://imageshack.us/f/148/unledow.jpg/

I don't really remember disputing anything. I'm pretty sure I posted a quote from an article.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Time to move on. If both teams clean a few things up they may very well meet again!

[LehighGuy]

I don't really remember disputing anything. I'm pretty sure I posted a quote from an article.


I apologize. I too, often post obscure quotations from internet articles, with no additional comment and expect others will recognize that it is not my inference that the article also represents my own opinion. Forgive me.

[R3TRO]

Read my previous posts. You can quote me more than once saying it was a bad call. You are forgiven.

[ngineer]

Well, I've just recovered enough thanks to my Phillies saving the day. I was truly proud of the way our guys battled back from being down 38-20 in the third quarter to put up 21 unanswered, when most were expecting the wheels to fall off in a blowout. No real surprise, other than the horrendous call everyone has dissected. The divot says it all. WR's feet and knees hit out of bounds before catch. AD Sterrett ran down to the field from the press box. Ol' Joe can still motor at 57. Still, we deserved to lose as we made more mistakes than UNH. As I said weeks ago on other threads looking at our upcoming season, the biggest concern I had about our team is the Special Teams. PK is reliably unreliable. The punt return for a TD is inexcusable. That is 9 points right there. Secondary played well, imo, considering Decker had all day to throw. You cannot expect our DBs to stay with all-league type receivers for 6 seconds. Not enough pressure in the first half. It improved in the second. OL did a decent job overall. AJ Hood filled in nicely for Vuono. Only a soph--could become another Rackley imo. TE Haggins also made his presence known with some nice catches. I expected the OC to go to him on our final drive in regulation, figuring UNH would key on on the WRs. On balance, we made a nice statement that we are the real deal..especially on offense. We even showed some decent running with Barket. I expect the D to improve and be fine by PL time. It will be very interesting to see how well they improve by the time Liberty arrives in two weeks with their hot-shot QB.
Guys just need to put it behind them and focus on Princeton. Preseason, everyone expected this to be a loss with many hoping we just wouldn't be embarrassed at home. This game can be a springboard to another fine season. Up to the players to use it. Also had a chance to meet a feller AGSer from UNH post game for a beer at the football pavilion--UNH Wildcats CT--hope his travels home go well and I hope he enjoyed his Goodman experience...other than the game's result.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Time for a new avatar...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

darn it

it appears that Lehigh is just going to have to enter the post season FCS playoffs with one loss instead of being truly undefeated...

I take it you're not giving Princeton much of a chance next week? Hopefully Lehigh comes out in a controlled rage in preperation for Liberty.

[UNH Fanboi]

A couple of thoughts after this game:

1) The UNH defense is as bad as we feared. The only silver lining is that it's a very young squad that could improve as the season progresses.

2) The most disappointing thing about this game for me is not the defense (because we already knew about that), but the lack of an effective running game. I really expected UNH to separate themselves from Lehigh by running a more balanced offense and running the ball more to keep the defense off of the field. I don't think UNH utilized their RBs well at all.

3) Some Lehigh fans are making way too big of a deal about the blown call. As others have noted, it was a 1st down play and Lehigh still threw an INT to end the game. It's a shame that some Lehigh fans are trying to put an asterisk next to this game. If Lehigh wants to be considered a top 10 program, they need to act like it. Regardless of who won this game, both teams need to be very concerned about their defenses moving forward. I doubt the UNH coaches were high-fiving each other in the locker room after this game. I hope Lehigh uses this game as a learning experience rather than whining about it for the rest of the season. You still control you're own destiny.

[LUHawker]

A couple of thoughts after this game:



3) Some Lehigh fans are making way too big of a deal about the blown call. As others have noted, it was a 1st down play and Lehigh still threw an INT to end the game. It's a shame that some Lehigh fans are trying to put an asterisk next to this game. If Lehigh wants to be considered a top 10 program, they need to act like it. Regardless of who won this game, both teams need to be very concerned about their defenses moving forward. I doubt the UNH coaches were high-fiving each other in the locker room after this game. I hope Lehigh uses this game as a learning experience rather than whining about it for the rest of the season. You still control you're own destiny.


Get off your high horse. There is no whining, but it is clear that it was a terrible call that MAY have changed the outcome. I would like to know how you would be reacting had it been the other way around; doubtful you'd be so kind. Besides I think Lehigh acquitted themselves on the field very well today. As other LU posters stated, special teams the real difference in the game. I think LU may very well be a top ten team by playoff time. We'll see. UNH will be better as well. Maybe a rematch in December.

[UNH Fanboi]

I would like to know how you would be reacting had it been the other way around; doubtful you'd be so kind.

Lehigh was scoring on UNH at will, so I doubt I would blame a blown call on first down for UNH losing. I'd probably feel about the same as I do now--pissed at UNH for allowing 40+ points and looking to the next game. When you give up 48 points, that means you made a lot of other mistakes that had nothing to do with the refs. The blown call just happened to occur late in the game.

[LEHIGH61]

Get off your high horse. There is no whining, but it is clear that it was a terrible call that MAY have changed the outcome. I would like to know how you would be reacting had it been the other way around; doubtful you'd be so kind. Besides I think Lehigh acquitted themselves on the field very well today. As other LU posters stated, special teams the real difference in the game. I think LU may very well be a top ten team by playoff time. We'll see. UNH will be better as well. Maybe a rematch in December.

Talk about whining. Lehigh was a top 10 program before UNH ever thought about it.in the 70's and early 80's. We won the National championship in 1977, were runer-ups in 1979 and were ranked NUMBER 1 at the end of the 1980 season, just as an example. And let's not forget the 1998-2004 period of dominance. Believe me, we can handle it. And I have NEVER seen so much whining after a team won a game than these UNH posters. UNH doesn't deserve top ten status with the fans whining all the time. Geez, Pursue another interest. That call was so awfully awfully bad that to not comment on it would be a disservice. It was an insult to College Football.
You whine about the defense. Well, you were facing a very talented, dynamic, and DANGEROUS offense whether you know it or not. This will be shown the rest of the way. Lehigh is an offensive machine.

[Houndawg]

I don't think either team should be in the Top 10 right now, but we're still two weeks away from the polls being near reality.

[LEHIGH61]

Oh boy we are going to have to live with Lehigh fans b*tching about this game for the next ten years and how they were robbed.

JUST LOOK AT THE FILM. THAT CALL WAS A DISASTER, PERIOD. Of course, we'll ***** about an INJUSTICE. And we'll ***** about that LUCKY HAIL MARY TOUCHDOWN THAT YOU STILL SHOW A PICTURE OF. That's ancient history now and so is Lafayette having a winning season. You were lucky and you have to live off that for the rest of your life, OR UNTIL LAFAYETTE WINS A GAME AGAIN. WE have to here from you, so get used to hearing from us, buddy boy.

[UNH72Plus]

Regarding the defense, the local radio guys said that two starting defensive backs and two starting defensive linemen sat out with injuries. I don't know how much difference that would make, but it's food for thought. Either way, the guys who did play were pretty shaky!

With all the raging about the blown call and the raving about the two quarterbacks and hometown boy Joey Orlando, Matt Evans performance (24 tackles) has kind of slipped through the cracks.

As someone else noted earlier, we don't have any easy games. In case you didn't notice:

Pitt 35 - Maine 29
Syracuse 21 - URI 14
Towson 31 - Nova 10

[RichH2]

gEEZ GUYS GIVE IT A REST. lOUSY CALL abysmal. Still p*sses me off, BUT if we could kick EPs would never have come to that. If we hadn't sleepwalked thru the 1st 5 minutes of the 3rd period. Refs ineptitude should not lead anyone to avoid our own responsibilty for losing. Lets fix our problems and win out.

[Pard4Life]

JUST LOOK AT THE FILM. THAT CALL WAS A DISASTER, PERIOD. Of course, we'll ***** about an INJUSTICE. And we'll ***** about that LUCKY HAIL MARY TOUCHDOWN THAT YOU STILL SHOW A PICTURE OF. That's ancient history now and so is Lafayette having a winning season. You were lucky and you have to live off that for the rest of your life, OR UNTIL LAFAYETTE WINS A GAME AGAIN. WE have to here from you, so get used to hearing from us, buddy boy.

Well well look who comes crawling out of the gutter when Lehigh finally has something to play for... were you one those people running for the exits when Lehigh went down 38-20?

Right old man, just how your avatar is "ancient" history from three years ago... right, luck Hail Mary... like the 1995 play we still hear your fans and broadcasters crow about?? And that 2006 game you thought was "your house?" Last I checked old man we are in the same position you were a few years ago... team quality goes in cycles... all I know is we own your sorry a***s in the all-time series. Maybe you can tell us the story of how we gave you those brown colors after you s*** yourselves against us in the first game... c'mon you were there!

The UNH poster certainly hit the nail on the head... it's an OOC game... you have nine left... get real!!

[Pard4Life]

3) Some Lehigh fans are making way too big of a deal about the blown call. As others have noted, it was a 1st down play and Lehigh still threw an INT to end the game. It's a shame that some Lehigh fans are trying to put an asterisk next to this game. If Lehigh wants to be considered a top 10 program, they need to act like it. Regardless of who won this game, both teams need to be very concerned about their defenses moving forward. I doubt the UNH coaches were high-fiving each other in the locker room after this game. I hope Lehigh uses this game as a learning experience rather than whining about it for the rest of the season. You still control you're own destiny.

Everything except the part about Lehigh acting like a top ten program is objective, straightforward and honest.

And yet, the Lehigh people lambast the guy... this game was lost by Lehigh before that play... XPs, kicking, false starts?

[Pard4Life]

Can someone PLEASE give a straightforward and honest answer without the emotional commentary? LFN maybe?

I was at the game, did not see replay: was the ball caught while his body was is in the air, including feet? It looked like the Lehigh defender was pushing the WR out of bounds.

[crusader11]

Wow, did Matt Evans really have 24 tackles? Think that may be an NCAA record.

Pard4Life, as a neutral observer watching the telecast of the game via the Lehigh website (they do a great job, by the way) it indeed was a blown call.

As Orlando came down the sideline, he was bumped out of bounds by a Lehigh player. By rule, he is allowed to enter back into the field of play and catch the ball (this would not be the case if he went out of bounds under his own will). Problem was, Orlando never established himself back into the field of play. His entire right leg (foot up to his knee) was clearly out of bounds while he caught the ball...there was visible proof of this on the field with a sizable divot left out of bounds. Part of his left leg was still out of bounds as well, so it was not like the argument could be made that the ball was caught with his left foot being in bounds and then his right leg landed out of bounds.

Terrible call that definitely had a major impact on the game. However, it was not like this ended the game...UNH would have had 2nd and 10 from the 25 yard line, and Lehigh still was going to get the ball back.

[UNH Fanboi]

Wow, did Matt Evans really have 24 tackles? Think that may be an NCAA record.

NCAA record is 37 tackles according to Wikipedia. Anyway, Evans is off to a great start. He currently leads the NCAA with 25 solo and 38 total tackles:

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/1013

Unfortunately, a defense is only as strong as its weakest link...

[WrenFGun]

Can someone PLEASE give a straightforward and honest answer without the emotional commentary? LFN maybe?

I was at the game, did not see replay: was the ball caught while his body was is in the air, including feet? It looked like the Lehigh defender was pushing the WR out of bounds.

It was a screwjob of a call, and a bad one. Frankly, though, the pick call at the end of regulation was equally horrible.

[LUHawker]

Pard4Life, as a neutral observer watching the telecast of the game via the Lehigh website (they do a great job, by the way) it indeed was a blown call.
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This may be the most laughable comment ever! Pard4Life a neutral observer at a Lehigh game, hah!! What a joke that is. 11, your own description of the play is much more objective than anything P4L can provide.

[UNH Fanboi]

This may be the most laughable comment ever! Pard4Life a neutral observer at a Lehigh game, hah!! What a joke that is. 11, your own description of the play is much more objective than anything P4L can provide.

He was speaking to Pard4Life, not about him. Pard4Life asked for a neutral analysis.

[heath]

Receiver was out of bounds when he first caught(touched) the ball then ended up in field of play as he finished catch,but..........if DB pushed him out as ball was in the air(hard to tell by replay)maybe a flag should have been thrown????Result would be 1st down UNH after the mark off.It wasn't 4th down anyway,so that one play did not determine the gamextwocentsx

[hawkineer]

Well well look who comes crawling out of the gutter when Lehigh finally has something to play for... were you one those people running for the exits when Lehigh went down 38-20?

Right old man, just how your avatar is "ancient" history from three years ago... right, luck Hail Mary... like the 1995 play we still hear your fans and broadcasters crow about?? And that 2006 game you thought was "your house?" Last I checked old man we are in the same position you were a few years ago... team quality goes in cycles... all I know is we own your sorry a***s in the all-time series. Maybe you can tell us the story of how we gave you those brown colors after you s*** yourselves against us in the first game... c'mon you were there!

The UNH poster certainly hit the nail on the head... it's an OOC game... you have nine left... get real!!

Wow, still cranky the day after. xnonox Your absolute right about team quality going in cycles as long as the program doesn't have systemic problems. However, just a couple of years ago, Laughing-at-it fans were crowing about how recruits would be beating down the doors to come to College Hill given their fancy new scoreboard, really bright lights, and pretty new turf to play for their master motivator coach.

I recently read diagnosis of the problems in Easton regarding the issues with the spotted puddy tats:
"My guess is:
1) Frank has too much control.
2) Not enough coaches with the right experience to help.
3) Poor budget to get enough recruits and the right coaches."
Hmmm, poor coaches and no money to get the right coaches or players. Sounds more systemic than a cycle.:D

P.S. If things continue this way much longer, the only highlights that you'll be showing on the fancy scoreboard will be from the 1884 game.

[Franks Tanks]

Wow, still cranky the day after. xnonox Your absolute right about team quality going in cycles as long as the program doesn't have systemic problems. However, just a couple of years ago, Laughing-at-it fans were crowing about how recruits would be beating down the doors to come to College Hill given their fancy new scoreboard, really bright lights, and pretty new turf to play for their master motivator coach.

I recently read diagnosis of the problems in Easton regarding the issues with the spotted puddy tats:
"My guess is:
1) Frank has too much control.
2) Not enough coaches with the right experience to help.
3) Poor budget to get enough recruits and the right coaches."
Hmmm, poor coaches and no money to get the right coaches or players. Sounds more systemic than a cycle.:D

P.S. If things continue this way much longer, the only highlights that you'll be showing on the fancy scoreboard will be from the 1884 game.

The issue is more that our talent is not being utilized properly. We don't have the horses we did a few years ago, but the cupboards are not bare in Easton. In my opinion the largest cause for concern is that our players, especially the skill guys and the O-line, are not improving from year to year. O'Neill started to come around at the end of the year, and we felt he would continue to improve. That has not happened.

I think Lehigh had similar issues before Checnini came back. He has done wonders for Lum and the Lehigh offense. Lum has improved greatly from last year. Lafayette has gone is the opposite direction since we lost our ace assistant Bob Heffner.

[Franks Tanks]

Receiver was out of bounds when he first caught(touched) the ball then ended up in field of play as he finished catch,but..........if DB pushed him out as ball was in the air(hard to tell by replay)maybe a flag should have been thrown????Result would be 1st down UNH after the mark off.It wasn't 4th down anyway,so that one play did not determine the gamextwocentsx

I don't believe pushing the reciever out of bounds is a penalty. As we all know when pushed out the reciever can come back in bounds and make the catch. From all accounts Orlando was not back in bounds when he caught the ball. It was a bad call, that is not in doubt. Unfortunatly we don't know if the bad call allowed UNH to get the W.

[crusader11]

This may be the most laughable comment ever! Pard4Life a neutral observer at a Lehigh game, hah!! What a joke that is. 11, your own description of the play is much more objective than anything P4L can provide.

Like Fanboi said, I was stating that I was a neutral observer watching the game.

[heath]

I don't believe pushing the reciever out of bounds is a penalty. As we all know when pushed out the reciever can come back in bounds and make the catch. From all accounts Orlando was not back in bounds when he caught the ball. It was a bad call, that is not in doubt. Unfortunatly we don't know if the bad call allowed UNH to get the W.

pushing a receiver when the ball is in the air IS a penalty,out of bounds is not the issue

[Pard4Life]

Wow, still cranky the day after. xnonox Your absolute right about team quality going in cycles as long as the program doesn't have systemic problems. However, just a couple of years ago, Laughing-at-it fans were crowing about how recruits would be beating down the doors to come to College Hill given their fancy new scoreboard, really bright lights, and pretty new turf to play for their master motivator coach.

I recently read diagnosis of the problems in Easton regarding the issues with the spotted puddy tats:
"My guess is:
1) Frank has too much control.
2) Not enough coaches with the right experience to help.
3) Poor budget to get enough recruits and the right coaches."
Hmmm, poor coaches and no money to get the right coaches or players. Sounds more systemic than a cycle.:D

P.S. If things continue this way much longer, the only highlights that you'll be showing on the fancy scoreboard will be from the 1884 game.

Yes I wrote that diagnosis which are speculative guesses. I don't have inside access but I wish I could say... it could be systemic but it's also cyclical in that I doubt it will last. Look at Princeton... great facilities but subpar teams. We know that facilities alone will not buy a team but it can only help. We obviously have issues elsewhere which negate any advantage. And if I can recall correctly, there was an AGS preview magazine feature a few years ago that compared Lafayette-Lehigh facilities to be dead even... written by a Lafayette guy, so I doubt the gloating really meant to put our program on a different level. Like FT said, Checini's return helped immensely... he has some heft and crediblity to counteract Coen... we don't have that balance and he probably saved Coen's job.

Sure we will show 1884 highlights, and 75 others!

ps And what's with those wonderful Goofman facilities? Can't you get a working scoreboard?
pps I'd rather have 63 equivalencies.

[truthteller]

Like Fanboi said, I was stating that I was a neutral observer watching the game.

How can crusader 11 say he is a neutral observer ---when his best buddy was the QB who threw the ball to Orlando

[Pard4Life]

Like Fanboi said, I was stating that I was a neutral observer watching the game.

Thanks for the synopsis Sader... sounds like a no TD.

[crusader11]

How can crusader 11 say he is a neutral observer ---when his best buddy was the QB who threw the ball to Orlando

You do realize I said that it was an atrocious call and it should not have been a touchdown, right?

And, by the way, I think most of your UNH comrades would agree that Decker should have been starting last year...at the very least he should have gotten the nod against Delaware in the playoffs.

[RichH2]

The issue is more that our talent is not being utilized properly. We don't have the horses we did a few years ago, but the cupboards are not bare in Easton. In my opinion the largest cause for concern is that our players, especially the skill guys and the O-line, are not improving from year to year. O'Neill started to come around at the end of the year, and we felt he would continue to improve. That has not happened.

I think Lehigh had similar issues before Checnini came back. He has done wonders for Lum and the Lehigh offense. Lum has improved greatly from last year. Lafayette has gone is the opposite direction since we lost our ace assistant Bob Heffner.

Agree wholeheartedly. One shudders when recalling the O prior to Ceech. Always surprised me as Andy was one hell of an OC also.but he eventually fixed his mistake and brought in Ceech. Lum has gotten better each yr, better coaching and lots of time and effort by him. he stayed at LU for the summer to work out.
Pards remind a bit of those early Coen teams good D but a directionless O. ONe note , your OL is huge but Lord they are more like Easter Island monoliths impressive but immobile

[Pard4Life]

That sums it up nicely.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Can someone PLEASE give a straightforward and honest answer without the emotional commentary? LFN maybe?

I was at the game, did not see replay: was the ball caught while his body was is in the air, including feet? It looked like the Lehigh defender was pushing the WR out of bounds.

The avatar says it all - almost.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2011/09/lehigh-41-new-hampshire-48-final-ot.html

[UNHFootballAlum]

I don't believe pushing the reciever out of bounds is a penalty. As we all know when pushed out the reciever can come back in bounds and make the catch. From all accounts Orlando was not back in bounds when he caught the ball. It was a bad call, that is not in doubt. Unfortunatly we don't know if the bad call allowed UNH to get the W.

It's a penalty because the DB was still in contact with Orlando as the ball was in the air, hence the pass interference that was not called

[van]

Incorrect, there was no contact while ball was in the air. It was a missed call. Did it change the outcome, pure speculation. Did it change momentum, I would say yes.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

LFN really needs to start a Lehigh @ Princeton thread.

[PantherRob82]

So for those of you at the game, watching online, or reading third party stories....was it a legit catch? :D

[R3TRO]

At this point, who cares? Its in the books. Time to move on.

[PantherRob82]

At this point, who cares? Its in the books. Time to move on.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Just funny to see people keep asking when they could just go a page or two back in the thread.

[Houndawg]

The official: Were his initials BF?






:D

[Pard4Life]

Sorry, couldn't resist. Just funny to see people keep asking when they could just go a page or two back in the thread.

When you are on a mobile and there's lots of banter flying around... you need 8G to do that!

[HensRock]

Neither of these 2 teams is worthy of Top 10 so far this year IMO.

[UNH Fanboi]

Neither of these 2 teams is worthy of Top 10 so far this year IMO.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the list of teams that have been impressive so far this year is very short. You could criticize nearly anyone's inclusion in the top 10 at this point.

[dwtime]

Talk about whining. Lehigh was a top 10 program before UNH ever thought about it.in the 70's and early 80's. We won the National championship in 1977, were runer-ups in 1979 and were ranked NUMBER 1 at the end of the 1980 season, just as an example. And let's not forget the 1998-2004 period of dominance. Believe me, we can handle it. And I have NEVER seen so much whining after a team won a game than these UNH posters. UNH doesn't deserve top ten status with the fans whining all the time. Geez, Pursue another interest. That call was so awfully awfully bad that to not comment on it would be a disservice. It was an insult to College Football.
You whine about the defense. Well, you were facing a very talented, dynamic, and DANGEROUS offense whether you know it or not. This will be shown the rest of the way. Lehigh is an offensive machine.

You can add the feather of the 1975 playoff win against UNH to your cap, oh wait that went the other way didn't it? Powerhouse Lehigh taken down by lowly UNH at home. What a great football moment. I think I can still see the shock in your eyes from that one. WOOOOOOOOOO! xthumbsupx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

UNH is in my Top Ten. 'Nuff said.

[Pard4Life]

UNH is in my Top Ten. 'Nuff said.

I dunno LFN... I had UNH at 8 last week and I bumped them down seveal spots after seeing their performance this weekend; great offense and good special teams and DL, but the secondary seemed weak, and if you are a top ten team you go for the kill and hold onto your 18 point lead.

[LeadBolt]

I put UNH @ 9 this week.

[Mattymc727]

Honestly, I would leave both teams where they were. UNH didnt do much to move up, and its clear Lehigh isnt more than a spot behind them.

[LUHawker]

Honestly, I would leave both teams where they were. UNH didnt do much to move up, and its clear Lehigh isnt more than a spot behind them.

A very accurate assessment for both teams. Going to OT shows they are very evenly matched. Good chance that by the end of the season, they will be ranked right next to each other, proabably in the 8-13 range.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

A very accurate assessment for both teams. Going to OT shows they are very evenly matched. Good chance that by the end of the season, they will be ranked right next to each other, proabably in the 8-13 range.

The game against Liberty is huge imo. If Lehigh can win that their ceiling will be pretty high, bye, home game, etc.. Yale will loom next but thankfully that's once again at home. Lehigh has the chance to post some very solid wins this year. With that said, they could also go 7-4 and have nothing to show for it.

They need to learn how to dominate at Goodman again. The schedule broke in their favor this year. The Hawks really need to take advantage of it.

[RichH2]

I put them 12-14 range but the season is young a swing up or down would not be surprising. No team has yet set the standard for this yr. lets see what happens once FBS games are over.

[RichH2]

The game against Liberty is huge imo. If Lehigh can win that their ceiling will be pretty high, bye, home game, etc.. Yale will loom next but thankfully that's once again at home. Lehigh has the chance to post some very solid wins this year. They could could also go 7-4 and have nothing to show for it.

They need to learn how to dominate at Goodman again. The schedule broke in their favor this year. The Hawks really need to take advantage of it.

I wish I could disagree with you but 7-4 possible if we dont control our home games. ST must stabilize. Front 7 must also play better. Notice most tackles last week by dbs. Groome and Rivas not factors.

[Franks Tanks]

The game against Liberty is huge imo. If Lehigh can win that their ceiling will be pretty high, bye, home game, etc.. Yale will loom next but thankfully that's once again at home. Lehigh has the chance to post some very solid wins this year. With that said, they could also go 7-4 and have nothing to show for it.

They need to learn how to dominate at Goodman again. The schedule broke in their favor this year. The Hawks really need to take advantage of it.

Liberty and Cross appear to be the best teams left on the schedule.

Liberty has an outstanding QB/WR combo in Brown and Summers. They were very good 2 years ago when they pulled out a close win at Fisher. Summers is especially good. The Lehigh/Liberty game may be another epic offensive battle at Goodman.

[RichH2]

Liberty and Cross appear to be the best teams left on the schedule.

Liberty has an outstanding QB/WR combo in Brown and Summers. They were very good 2 years ago when they pulled out a close win at Fisher. Summers is especially good. The Lehigh/Liberty game may be another epic offensive battle at Goodman.

Would expect so , they could break 100 total points. Back when Air Lehigh 1st started we still lost but we scored llots and lots of yds passing. Back then it was enuf as we had been so bad before. Now expectations are higher, at least mine are.

[Pard4Life]

Lehigh is going to have trouble with Yale... can't overlook their QB.

[RichH2]

Ok, Pards bringing in all my worries. P4L , regardless of all the writeups on Liberty qb , I think Witt is the best qb we will face this yr. Yale lacks a 400 lb nosetackle like Chapman however.. Still cant get over that guys size. We'll need 3 centers to block him

[Franks Tanks]

Ok, Pards bringing in all my worries. P4L , regardless of all the writeups on Liberty qb , I think Witt is the best qb we will face this yr. Yale lacks a 400 lb nosetackle like Chapman however.. Still cant get over that guys size. We'll need 3 centers to block him

He is suspended for a drug arrest., so you should't have to worry.

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/082011/08312011/648775

Looks like he was also accused of a felony on the past.

[RichH2]

Soory for the kid, did not know. Happy for us tho

[LUHawker]

I wish I could disagree with you but 7-4 possible if we dont control our home games. ST must stabilize. Front 7 must also play better. Notice most tackles last week by dbs. Groome and Rivas not factors.

Very little pressure on Decker in QB game and when we did, there was no contain. Agreed that I didn't hear Groome or Rivas's name called much during the game. LU secondary was not all that bad; problem was Decker had too much time to throw.

[LUHawker]

Ok, Pards bringing in all my worries. P4L , regardless of all the writeups on Liberty qb , I think Witt is the best qb we will face this yr. Yale lacks a 400 lb nosetackle like Chapman however.. Still cant get over that guys size. We'll need 3 centers to block him

Liberty is a solid team and their QB reminds me of Terrell Rinnie from UNI last year. I feel better about chances of defeating Liberty after performance on Saturday. Special teams remains biggest concern for me as I think defense will tighten and improve.

Big difference in UNH game was their kicker was booting kick-offs and LU rarely started a drive beyond the 20, whereas Peery struggled to kick it beyond the 20. UNH has much better starting position and this shouldn't be overlooked.

[Southsider]

Agree Hawker that DB's were not that bad. As the saying goes,it's tough to defend the perfect pass, and Decker was very sharp. Also, need someone else to return KO's. Dormeville just to slow, and all you need is a pinky finger on him to take him down. No knock on the kid, but he is just too small.

[heath]

Ok, Pards bringing in all my worries. P4L , regardless of all the writeups on Liberty qb , I think Witt is the best qb we will face this yr. Yale lacks a 400 lb nosetackle like Chapman however.. Still cant get over that guys size. We'll need 3 centers to block him
Mike Brown will be the best quarterback/athlete/receiver(poy at that spot 2 years ago) if he remains healthy-trust anyone that has seen him play.Should be another high scoring affair.Make that trip to Goodman and watch him yourself and not rely on your son.xtwocentsx

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Well, I've just recovered enough thanks to my Phillies saving the day. I was truly proud of the way our guys battled back from being down 38-20 in the third quarter to put up 21 unanswered, when most were expecting the wheels to fall off in a blowout. No real surprise, other than the horrendous call everyone has dissected. The divot says it all. WR's feet and knees hit out of bounds before catch. AD Sterrett ran down to the field from the press box. Ol' Joe can still motor at 57. Still, we deserved to lose as we made more mistakes than UNH. As I said weeks ago on other threads looking at our upcoming season, the biggest concern I had about our team is the Special Teams. PK is reliably unreliable. The punt return for a TD is inexcusable. That is 9 points right there. Secondary played well, imo, considering Decker had all day to throw. You cannot expect our DBs to stay with all-league type receivers for 6 seconds. Not enough pressure in the first half. It improved in the second. OL did a decent job overall. AJ Hood filled in nicely for Vuono. Only a soph--could become another Rackley imo. TE Haggins also made his presence known with some nice catches. I expected the OC to go to him on our final drive in regulation, figuring UNH would key on on the WRs. On balance, we made a nice statement that we are the real deal..especially on offense. We even showed some decent running with Barket. I expect the D to improve and be fine by PL time. It will be very interesting to see how well they improve by the time Liberty arrives in two weeks with their hot-shot QB.
Guys just need to put it behind them and focus on Princeton. Preseason, everyone expected this to be a loss with many hoping we just wouldn't be embarrassed at home. This game can be a springboard to another fine season. Up to the players to use it. Also had a chance to meet a feller AGSer from UNH post game for a beer at the football pavilion--UNH Wildcats CT--hope his travels home go well and I hope he enjoyed his Goodman experience...other than the game's result.

One of the best things about FCS Football that I've encountered has been the ability of the fans, especially AGS members, to keep things in perspective and genuinely share a post game beer. No different on Saturday when I and one of my alum friends had the pleasure of sharing a post game beer with ngineer and a couple of his friends. It was great to finally meet a poster that I've enjoyed reading for many years. And a fellow member of the AGS Old Pharts Club. :D Despite the heated battle on the gridiron and the controversial ending, it is indeed possible to have a civil conversation with a fan from the opposing side!!! xnodx

Even on a Monday it is impossible to have a traffic free ride from suburban Philly, around Metro NY and through CT!! Got caught twice in delays caused by accidents. xbangx But purchasing a case of Flying Fish Octoberfish in NJ eased that pain!!! xlolx