AGS Top 25 FCS team Rankings

[AGSPoll]

Week 1 Results...
1 Eastern Washington Eagles 2100 69
2 Georgia Southern Eagles 2047 16
3 Northern Iowa Panthers 1647 0
4 William & Mary Tribe 1645 0
5 Montana State Bobcats 1638 0
6 North Dakota State Bison 1573 0
7 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1569 0
8 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1492 0
9 Wofford Terriers 1479 0
10 Richmond Spiders 1438 0
11 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1180 0
12 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 1072 0
13 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 969 0
14 New Hampshire Wildcats 953 0
15 Montana Grizzlies 869 0
16 Sacramento State Hornets 839 1
17 Southern Illinois Salukis 809 0
18 James Madison Dukes 677 0
19 Liberty Flames 511 0
20 Villanova Wildcats 413 0
21 Central Arkansas Bears 405 0
22 Chattanooga Mocs 319 0
23 Cal Poly Mustangs 265 0
24 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 263 0
25 South Carolina State Bulldogs 258 0


Also recieving votes:


26 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 209 0
27 McNeese State Cowboys 188 0
28 Pennsylvania Quakers 131 0
29 Sam Houston State Bearkats 116 0
30 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 114 0
31 Weber State Wildcats 88 0
32 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 72 0
33 Stony Brook Seawolves 70 0
34 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 67 0
35 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 44 0
36 Colgate Raiders 43 0
37 Old Dominion Monarchs 39 0
38 Eastern Illinois Panthers 31 0
39 Western Illinois Leathernecks 23 0
40 Murray State Racers 23 0
41 Alabama State Hornets 23 0
42 Harvard Crimson 21 0
43 Rhode Island Rams 17 0
44 Jackson State Tigers 17 0
45 Towson Tigers 17 0
46 Hampton Pirates 15 0
47 Delaware State Hornets 14 0
48 Youngstown State Penguins 14 0
49 UC Davis Aggies 13 0
50 Tennessee State Tigers 12 0
51 Florida A&M Rattlers 11 0
52 Southeast Missouri State Redhawks 10 0
53 Dayton Flyers 10 0


Most significant win of week 1:
Sacramento State Hornets

Most Significant Loss of week1:
Appalachian State Mountaineers

Thanks voters for making a higher than expected turnout for a Labor Day weekend.xbowx

[bluehenbillk]

Montana ahead of Sacramento State? Wow! App got no love this week either - but that is deserved.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

3,4, & 5 are real tight.

[Skjellyfetti]

Hope y'all move Georgia Southern way down after they get pounded by Alabama. Won't hold my breath, though.

[blackfordpu]

Can some one post the ranking the teams had in the previous poll?

[theasushow]

ASU deserved the drop...but IMO you can't drop ASU and not William&Mary too. ASU lost by more, but VT is also a much better team than UVA.

[superman7515]

Can some one post the ranking the teams had in the previous poll?

1 Eastern Washington Eagles - Lost 30-27 @ Washington (FBS)
2 Georgia Southern Eagles - Won 31-17 @ Samford
3 William & Mary Tribe - Lost 40-3 @ Virginia (FBS)
4 Appalachian State Mountaineers - Lost 66-13 @ Virginia Tech (FBS)
5 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens - Lost 40-17 @ Navy (FBS)
6 Montana State Bobcats - Lost 27-10 @ Utah (FBS)
7 Wofford Terriers - Won 35-28 @ Presbyterian
8 North Dakota State Bison - Won 42-6 vs Lafayette
9 Northern Iowa Panthers - Lost 20-19 @ Iowa State (FBS)
10 New Hampshire Wildcats - Lost 58-22 @ Toledo (FBS)
11 Jacksonville State Gamecocks - Won 24-23 vs Tennessee Martin
12 Montana Grizzlies - Loss 42-16 @ Tennessee (FBS)
13 Villanova Wildcats - Lost 42-7 @ Temple (FBS)
14 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks - Won 82-6 vs McMurry (D2 transitional from D3)
15 Lehigh Mountain Hawks - Won 49-24 @ Monmouth
16 Richmond Spiders - Won 23-21 @ Duke (FBS)
17 James Madison Dukes - Lost 42-10 @ North Carolina (FBS)
18 Chattanooga Mocs - Lost 40-7 @ Nebraska (FBS)
19 Liberty Flames - Lost 43-21 @ North Carolina St (FBS)
20 Cal Poly Mustangs - Lost 49-21 @ San Diego St (FBS)
21 South Carolina State Bulldogs - Lost 21-6 @ Central Michigan (FBS)
22 Southeast Missouri State Redhawks - Lost 38-10 vs Southern Illinois
23 Southern Illinois Salukis - Won 38-10 @ Southeast Missouri State
24 Central Arkansas Bears - Won 38-14 vs Henderson St (D2)
25 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats - Won 63-14 vs Prairie View A&M @ neutral site Florida Citrus Bowl


Other Receiving Votes:

McNeese State Cowboys - Lost 42-24 @ Kansas (FBS)
Pennsylvania Quakers - No Game This Week
Western Illinois Leathernecks - Lost 20-6 @ Sam Houston State
Southern Utah Thunderbirds - Lost 29-28 @ South Dakota State
Indiana State Sycamores - Lost 41-7 @ Penn State (FBS)
Eastern Kentucky Colonels - Lost 10-7 @ Kansas State (FBS)
Old Dominion Monarchs - Won 41-14 vs Campbell
Florida A&M Rattlers - Won 28-22 vs Fort Valley State (D2)
Harvard Crimson - No Game This Week
South Dakota State Jackrabbits - Won 29-28 vs Southern Utah
Furman Paladins - Lost 23-30 @ Coastal Carolina
Robert Morris Colonials - Lost 19-13 vs Dayton
Jacksonville Dolphins - Lost 31-9 @ The Citadel
Murray State Racers - Lost 21-9 @ Louisville (FBS)
Weber State Wildcats - Lost 32-35 @ Wyoming (FBS)
Elon Phoenix - Lost 45-14 @ Vanderbilt (FBS)

[blackfordpu]

Thanks Superman.

Can someone tell me why a team like SFA jumped two spots after destroying a team like McMurry and New Hampshire drops four spots after losing to a FBS team (and ends up behind SFA)?

[bjtheflamesfan]

Can some one post the ranking the teams had in the previous poll?

Here ya go:

1 Eastern Washington Eagles 2100 69 (1)
2 Georgia Southern Eagles 2047 16 (2)
3 Northern Iowa Panthers 1647 0 (9)
4 William & Mary Tribe 1645 0 (3)
5 Montana State Bobcats 1638 0 (6)
6 North Dakota State Bison 1573 0 (8)
7 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1569 0 (5)
8 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1492 0 (4)
9 Wofford Terriers 1479 0 (7)
10 Richmond Spiders 1438 0 (16)
11 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1180 0 (11)
12 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 1072 0 (14)
13 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 969 0 (15)
14 New Hampshire Wildcats 953 0 (10)
15 Montana Grizzlies 869 0 (12)
16 Sacramento State Hornets 839 1 (NR)
17 Southern Illinois Salukis 809 0 (23)
18 James Madison Dukes 677 0 (17)
19 Liberty Flames 511 0 (19)
20 Villanova Wildcats 413 0 (13)
21 Central Arkansas Bears 405 0 (24)
22 Chattanooga Mocs 319 0 (18)
23 Cal Poly Mustangs 265 0 (20)
24 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 263 0 (25)
25 South Carolina State Bulldogs 258 0 (21)


Also recieving votes:


26 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 209 0
27 McNeese State Cowboys 188 0
28 Pennsylvania Quakers 131 0
29 Sam Houston State Bearkats 116 0
30 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 114 0
31 Weber State Wildcats 88 0
32 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 72 0
33 Stony Brook Seawolves 70 0
34 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 67 0
35 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 44 0
36 Colgate Raiders 43 0
37 Old Dominion Monarchs 39 0
38 Eastern Illinois Panthers 31 0
39 Western Illinois Leathernecks 23 0
40 Murray State Racers 23 0
41 Alabama State Hornets 23 0
42 Harvard Crimson 21 0
43 Rhode Island Rams 17 0
44 Jackson State Tigers 17 0
45 Towson Tigers 17 0
46 Hampton Pirates 15 0
47 Delaware State Hornets 14 0
48 Youngstown State Penguins 14 0
49 UC Davis Aggies 13 0
50 Tennessee State Tigers 12 0
51 Florida A&M Rattlers 11 0
52 Southeast Missouri State Redhawks 10 0
53 Dayton Flyers 10 0

[blackfordpu]

Also, can we start a sticky thread to put each weeks poll results in so we don't have to scroll through to look for them?

[bjtheflamesfan]

My guess is that it wasnt the fact that they lost to an FBS but the fact that they lost as significantly as they did. Just about every team in the poll that lost to an FBS team significantly trended downward from the preseason poll to this week

[blackfordpu]

My guess is that it wasnt the fact that they lost to an FBS but the fact that they lost as significantly as they did. Just about every team in the poll that lost to an FBS team significantly trended downward from the preseason poll to this week

I can see that but should destroying a DII team count as much as losing to an FBS team? Fine line I know but I just don't see that one.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Also, can we start a sticky thread to put each weeks poll results in so we don't have to scroll through to look for them?
That can be done my man and will.

[RichH2]

Still the best FCS poll

[BlueGoldAg]

I'm a new voter to the AGS weekly poll. Can someone explain just how the points received by a team are calculated? Also, how many voters were there in this poll? Thanks.

[Squealofthepig]

I'm a new voter to the AGS weekly poll. Can someone explain just how the points received by a team are calculated? Also, how many voters were there in this poll? Thanks.

Sure. Points are given based on each ballot's ranking, with a first place vote (the number on the far right hand side) being worth 25 points, a second place vote worth 24, etc down to 25, which is worth one point. You can always see how many people voted by tallying up the total number of first place votes (again, the far right - looks like 86).

[Gil Dobie]

Hope y'all move Georgia Southern way down after they get pounded by Alabama. Won't hold my breath, though.

This is the initial vote. I threw my preseason vote out the window and started from scratch, so no one moved up or down, I just placed them.

...and FWIW I had App St ranked 2 spots ahead of NDSU in my vote.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Also, can we start a sticky thread to put each weeks poll results in so we don't have to scroll through to look for them?
How's this?

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?91839-2011-Week-By-Week-Results-Of-The-AGS-Poll&p=1667393&posted=1#post1667393

I'm gonna replace the rankings with Superman's after each weeks results to provide the extra information that he adds to it.

[Mountaineer]

No problems from me with App's spot, though I do think voters have an axe to grind on occasion. xlolx Curious that W&M remained so high after a whuppin' by Virginia.

And rewarding Stephen F. Austin for running up the score on a Division II/III team? I'd put a bag over the name before I polled 'em higher. xconfusedx

[Houndawg]

Thanks Superman.

Can someone tell me why a team like SFA jumped two spots after destroying a team like McMurry and New Hampshire drops four spots after losing to a FBS team (and ends up behind SFA)?

......and how New Hampshire is ahead of Sac State?xeyebrowx

[bojeta]

Since it's still so early and Week 1 is always dangerous to bet your horse on (no pun intended for my Mustangs) so I'm not going to argue this too much. I will say this; there will be some serious movement coming by Week 4. I will also stand by my early Summer prediction that Sac State is a top 10 team in 2011!!

[BlueGoldAg]

Sure. Points are given based on each ballot's ranking, with a first place vote (the number on the far right hand side) being worth 25 points, a second place vote worth 24, etc down to 25, which is worth one point. You can always see how many people voted by tallying up the total number of first place votes (again, the far right - looks like 86).

Thanks very much.

I'm pretty pleased with my poll compared with the final results since this was my first time as a voting member. I've been following the UC Davis Aggies for 39 years and I think I have a good feel for the teams in the west some of the upper midwest teams like the Dakotas etc. Other than that, I'm familiar with the teams that have been consistent playoff contenders from all the regions. After that, however, it gets pretty foggy for me so I really rely on the voters from those regions and what I read on this forum. So, whereas my votes for the teams in the west have more of a solid basis for my votes, its wasn't easy to know where they stack up in relationship to the teams from the other regions. Consequently, at least for me, this first poll was a bit of a crap shoot and it should begin to sort itself out as the season progresses.

I had fun with it though and I think it is going to make the season much more interesting for me as well.

[Squealofthepig]

It looks like we have some general groupings - most voters feel pretty confident about the top two, some agreement in the 3-10 range, then much less certainty after that.

It's interesting (OK, at least for me) to compare the points to a pure ballot (that is, if everyone agreed and had exactly the same ballot). Here's a graph - the red line is the pure one, and the gold line is the points from the poll. (I'd note too there's a HUGE tail, as there are tons of Others Receiving Votes this early).

http://i.imgur.com/M28g8.jpg

[DJKyR0]

http://i.imgur.com/M28g8.jpg

Excellent representation. Goes to show just how the program success is pretty concentrated and stratified across the top of the league.

[MR. CHICKEN]

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[wmtribe1693]

I agree that W&M is a bit too high but one game against a FBS opponent doesn't decide how a team will perform against FCS programs. If you watched the game, the Tribe was only down 0-3 after the first and 10-0 at the half. Simply put, UVA's great height, weight, and speed advantage took its toll on W&M in the 2nd half. FCS schools won't have that advantage. Then, 3 very costly turnovers and that's all she wrote. We don't know how good VT or UVA will be this season. VT should be a much better team but time will tell. Appy fans have an argument but I'd wait a few weeks before I put much stock in these polls.

[TheRevSFA]

BFPU is pissy because sam isn't in top 25. Hey man, I voted for y'all

[theasushow]

I agree that W&M is a bit too high but one game against a FBS opponent doesn't decide how a team will perform against FCS programs. If you watched the game, the Tribe was only down 0-3 after the first and 10-0 at the half. Simply put, UVA's great height, weight, and speed advantage took its toll on W&M in the 2nd half. FCS schools won't have that advantage. Then, 3 very costly turnovers and that's all she wrote. We don't know how good VT or UVA will be this season. VT should be a much better team but time will tell. Appy fans have an argument but I'd wait a few weeks before I put much stock in these polls.

I agree with everything you said, I just have a feeling that some people jumped at (and probably enjoyed lol) the opportunity to lay it on ASU after that loss. And I'm not saying it isn't warranted (i dropped them to 8 in my poll as well), I just hope the general dislike for ASU that many people have didn't effect their voting.

Oh and I didn't see the W&M game, I was down the road in Lane stadium hating life.

[The Eagle's Cliff]

It would never happen, but I wouldn't mind if all media agreed to not do a poll until week 4. It's guessing anyway, but at least it's more informed after a few games.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I agree with everything you said, I just have a feeling that some people jumped at (and probably enjoyed lol) the opportunity to lay it on ASU after that loss. And I'm not saying it isn't warranted (i dropped them to 8 in my poll as well), I just hope the general dislike for ASU that many people have didn't effect their voting.

Oh and I didn't see the W&M game, I was down the road in Lane stadium hating life.
Ya know, I sometimes hear this sort of thing from Montana people as well. If you want to see some boogeyman out there that is against ya then by all means do so but the community here must have the same exact amount of dislike as you do yourself for ASU.

You see them as an 8.

They end up as an 8 this week.

Not a lot to nitpick at there and rally the "everyone is against us" thing but somehow....xlolx

[PantherRob82]

I just looked at results and voted. I don't care what preseason or last season was. Obviously you have to include any information you can in order to put teams in some sort of order, but I don't think it's prudent to just slide teams up and down.

[theasushow]

Ya know, I sometimes hear this sort of thing from Montana people as well. If you want to see some boogeyman out there that is against ya then by all means do so but the community here must have the same exact amount of dislike as you do yourself for ASU.

You see them as an 8.

They end up as an 8 this week.

Not a lot to nitpick at there and rally the "everyone is against us" thing but somehow....xlolx

I wasn't complaining that ASU was as 8...but it has been noted over the past 48 hours that the ASU and W&M performances were some of the most shocking of the weekend as most people thought that the FCS teams would put up more of a fight. So when the polls came out I found it interesting that voters really hammered it to ASU but seemed to turn their head to the W&M loss. Also, W&M was only 2 points away from ranked 3rd, which means voters wouldn't have dropped them at all despite the loss.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I wasn't complaining that ASU was as 8...but it has been noted over the past 48 hours that the ASU and W&M performances were some of the most shocking of the weekend as most people thought that the FCS teams would put up more of a fight. So when the polls came out I found it interesting that voters really hammered it to ASU but seemed to turn their head to the W&M loss. Also, W&M was only 2 points away from ranked 3rd, which means voters wouldn't have dropped them at all despite the loss.
Yes but you are implying it is some sort of prejudice. I don't see that at all. ASU was a landslide on the "Most significant loss of the week" voting. Now what that says to me is that people have a reverence for ASU. They expected you to play it close and possibly pull a win out.

In my eyes, that's a whole lot of respect from your peers and is quite different than what you had said in the previous post.

[Skjellyfetti]

ASU was a landslide on the "Most significant loss of the week" voting.

This I don't get.

The playoff committee chairman said last year that FBS losses do not hurt you... and FBS wins help you.

I would view an FCS loss... like Furman losing to Coastal Carolina as much more significant.

[Milktruck74]

OK, I'm an idiot. I put Univ of North Dakota in my poll rather then NDSU. Fortunately the mistake was not enough points to cause a position shift. I'm preaching to myself, but make sure you have the right team. Remember Jacksonville/Jacksonville State last year.

[PantherRob82]

This I don't get.

The playoff committee chairman said last year that FBS losses do not hurt you... and FBS wins help you.

I would view an FCS loss... like Furman losing to Coastal Carolina as much more significant.

I would assume most thought it was the most significant because we didn't expect App to get absolutely destroyed. Furman losing wasn't that big of a shock.

[No_Skill]

OK, I'm an idiot. I put Univ of North Dakota in my poll rather then NDSU. Fortunately the mistake was not enough points to cause a position shift. I'm preaching to myself, but make sure you have the right team. Remember Jacksonville/Jacksonville State last year.

Is the mascot included on the ballot like on the results?

[Skjellyfetti]

Oh, so it was biggest shock of the week. Ok, that helps explain it.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I must be one of the only ones, but I am surprised we moved up 6 spots after losing. I know it was a 1 point loss to a FBS team, but it was still a loss plus it wasn't like it was a powerhouse it was just Iowa State.

I guess after a few more weeks things will sort itself out. Can't put too much weight on early season polls.

[Milktruck74]

Is the mascot included on the ballot like on the results?

Yep, that makes me even more of an idiot!!!

[JMUNJ08]

From a CAA standpoint in the poll

- I am really surpised that Villanova is still riding last year's coattails after the big let down against Temple with the last 2 years being so close. Its clear to me that they should not be in the poll.

-Based on the points, I seem to be the only one liking URI so far. But for them to be even with Towson in the voting and Maine not getting a vote? Tough pill to swallow...

- Things should start moving next week as the CAA slate gets going!

Otherwise, great poll after week 1 to all the fellow voters!

[jhanel]

My ballet,...let the bashing begin.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Sacramento State Hornets
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: James Madison Dukes
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Liberty Flames
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

[MR. CHICKEN]

I must be one of the only ones, but I am surprised we moved up 6 spots after losing. I know it was a 1 point loss to a FBS team, but it was still a loss plus it wasn't like it was a powerhouse it was just Iowa State.

I guess after a few more weeks things will sort itself out. Can't put too much weight on early season polls.

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[PantherRob82]

My ballet,...let the bashing begin.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Sacramento State Hornets
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: James Madison Dukes
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Liberty Flames
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

Ok. ;)

#1- ballot, not ballet. :D
#2- Other than the order of some of the teams, it's not too bad. Looks like you ranked teams based on Week 1 games, not the past....for the most part. Not sure why Delaware is 5, when UNH, App, JMU, Montana, and Nova all ended up at the bottom of the poll for their FBS losses.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Ok. ;)

#1- ballot, not ballet. :D
#2- Other than the order of some of the teams, it's not too bad. Looks like you ranked teams based on Week 1 games, not the past....for the most part. Not sure why Delaware is 5, when UNH, App, JMU, Montana, and Nova all ended up at the bottom of the poll for their FBS losses.

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[frozennorth]

My ballet,...let the bashing begin.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Sacramento State Hornets
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: James Madison Dukes
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Liberty Flames
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

No respect for ndsu here huh? ;0

[frozennorth]

Double post

[darell1976]

Here was mine, and if UND beats Idaho I will have them in the polls!!

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Wofford Terriers
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Southern Illinois Salukis
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: James Madison Dukes
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Sacramento State Hornets
23: Sam Houston State Bearkats
24: Liberty Flames
25: Cal Poly Mustangs

[darell1976]

No respect for ndsu here huh? ;0

Stony Brook in but NDSU unranked??xconfusedx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

My ballet,...let the bashing begin.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Sacramento State Hornets
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: James Madison Dukes
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Liberty Flames
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits



LOL....NDSU not even in the top 25.....they are a top 10 or 5....easy!

[aceinthehole]

37 Old Dominion Monarchs 39 0

Huh? How many votes is CAA membership worth?

They beat Campbell. The non-schoarship Camels entered the game with 7-26 record in the last 3 years.

Are the voters aware, or is this just a popularity contest?

[aceinthehole]

ODU with more votes than Maine, Towson, or URI? Southern bias within the CAA?

[HailSzczur]

I am really surpised that Villanova is still riding last year's coattails after the big let down against Temple with the last 2 years being so close. Its clear to me that they should not be in the poll.

It seems we are being given way too much respect among voters. I mean we came out this week and prove absolutely nothing except for the fact that we are nowheres close to the team we were 3 years ago when we lost in Harrisonburg in the quarterfinals, 2 years ago when we won the NC, or last year when we lost in the semis. It pained me as a homer to not put us in the Top 25 on my ballot, but we did nothing to prove that we deserve to be there in Thursday game. I think just the fact that Norman White is out for the season alone should have been enough to take us out of the talks

[Squealofthepig]

Huh? How many votes is CAA membership worth??

An excellent question. I can say in two years voting, this week had the fewest number of CAA teams on my ballot ever (there were weeks last year where I had more CAA teams in the top 10 than I had in this week's top 25). So it's not every voter, to be certain.

It's still early - as others have repeatedly said, the first couple of weeks are just us trying to make some sense out of the chaos of FCS football.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

My crack at it

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: William & Mary Tribe
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Sacramento State Hornets
16: Pennsylvania Quakers
17: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
18: South Carolina State Bulldogs
19: Liberty Flames
20: James Madison Dukes
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils

I might have SIU and JMU a little low.

[aceinthehole]

I love the respect, but even I'm not ready to put CCSU in the polls yet. Not sure I'd put Colgate in there either, but both are in consideration for future weeks

I really think DAYTON is worthy of the #25 spot.

[UNIFanSince1983]

16048........ME TOO.......IOWA STATE WAS YER DUKE.......RICHMOND BEAT.....DEY'RE DUKE........xconfusedx....BRAWK!

Couldn't have clucked it any better myself!!

[GeauxLions94]

Here's mine FWIW

1. Georgia Southern
2. Eastern Washington (couldn't keep them at No. 1 with a loss)
3. North Dakota State (a bit high, but with all the losses, someone had to go there)
4. Wofford (see No. 3)
5. Jacksonville State (see No. 4)
6. Delaware (you get the picture)
7. Northern Iowa
8. Richmond
9. Montana State
10. Sacramento State
11. Lehigh
12. Appalachian State (really surprised by the margin of loss to VT)
13. William & Mary (see No. 12, tough loss to UVa)
14. Stephen F. Austin
15. New Hampshire
16. Southern Illinois
17. Central Arkansas
18. Montana
19. Massachusetts
20. Sam Houston State
21. South Dakota State
22. James Madison
23. McNeese State
24. Florida A&M
25. Villanova

I did vote before Bethune-Cookman defeated Prairie View, otherwise they're in and FAMU's out. With UMass moving to the MAC next year, have they added scholarships above the 63 allowed? If so, then they should not receive any votes IMO.

[bjtheflamesfan]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: William & Mary Tribe
4: Appalachian State Mountaineers
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: North Dakota State Bison
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: South Carolina State Bulldogs
14: Liberty Flames
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Southern Illinois Salukis
18: Pennsylvania Quakers
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Western Illinois Leathernecks
22: Furman Paladins
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Old Dominion Monarchs
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

I will say in full disclosure that the fact that they are my hometown team (lives 26 years in Portsmouth, VA and ODU was my number 1 choice all through my college process. That said, I also considered recent history (like the last two or three seasons) when I got down to my last 5 spots. I was very much coming down to Sacramento State or South Dakota State for my 25 spot.

[Hambone]

My poll:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Richmond Spiders
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Appalachian State Mountaineers
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
14: Sacramento State Hornets
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Liberty Flames
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: South Carolina State Bulldogs
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[X-Factor]

Anytime there is a program that has had recent success like ASU, there are bound to be haters. I had ASU at 10. Lots of season left, week 1 rankings are moot.

[BlueGoldAg]

Here is my first ever crack at this:


1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Sacramento State Hornets
18: Liberty Flames
19: South Carolina State Bulldogs
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Southern Utah Thunderbirds

I'm 100% positive that there will be a new entrants, hasty exits and jostling around in the first few weeks of play.

[aceinthehole]

24: Old Dominion Monarchs
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

I will say in full disclosure that the fact that they are my hometown team (lives 26 years in Portsmouth, VA and ODU was my number 1 choice all through my college process. That said, I also considered recent history (like the last two or three seasons) when I got down to my last 5 spots. I was very much coming down to Sacramento State or South Dakota State for my 25 spot.

So ODU is ranked #24 because they are your "hometown team"? Is this a new criteria for polls that I missed?

Fellow CAA member Towson beat Morgan State 42-3 and Maine beat Bryant 28-13, but somehow ODU's victory of Campbell is top-25 worth?

There are probably a dozen teams who have better week 1 wins than ODU, but I guess that doesn't matter. At least you are honest and admit you aren't evaluating all teams equally.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Here's mine:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Richmond Spiders
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Appalachian State Mountaineers
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Sacramento State Hornets
13: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Liberty Flames
24: South Carolina State Bulldogs
25: Villanova Wildcats


I tried to strike a balance between rewarding teams that are consistently at the top of the FCS, taking last year's performance into account, evaluating close losses and competitiveness with stronger programs, and looking at the quality of the wins for week 1. Still, it's the first week's poll. This one won't look much like the one at the end of the season, or even the one after the next couple of weeks. The more data we have to work with the more accurate the rankings will be. At this point it's a mix of first impressions, gut feelings, and semi-educated guesses.

[wmtribe1693]

My ballet,...let the bashing begin.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Sacramento State Hornets
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: James Madison Dukes
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Liberty Flames
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

Okay, you're a crackhead. Nothing more to say.

[JMUNJ08]

So ODU is ranked #24 because they are your "hometown team"? Is this a new criteria for polls that I missed?

Fellow CAA member Towson beat Morgan State 42-3 and Maine beat Bryant 28-13, but somehow ODU's victory of Campbell is top-25 worth?

There are probably a dozen teams who have better week 1 wins than ODU, but I guess that doesn't matter. At least you are honest and admit you aren't evaluating all teams equally.

Alot of people liked ODU in the preseason poll so not too surprised. Haven't seen anyone put them in the top15 so probably a bunch of people just filling out the end of their brackets. They beat the Camels the way they should so no reason to switch up on wins over Bryant and Morgan St.

Towson got a win, that deserves some sympathy votes in the hopes they start closing the gap. Maine is suppose to be a tough but not top tier CAA this season. My big surprise as I said earlier is URI's lack of visibility. Yes, they had a bye week but they had a strong 2010 campaign and should be a tough out this year too.

[bjtheflamesfan]

So ODU is ranked #24 because they are your "hometown team"? Is this a new criteria for polls that I missed?

Fellow CAA member Towson beat Morgan State 42-3 and Maine beat Bryant 28-13, but somehow ODU's victory of Campbell is top-25 worth?

There are probably a dozen teams who have better week 1 wins than ODU, but I guess that doesn't matter. At least you are honest and admit you aren't evaluating all teams equally.

I'll say this...my bottom 5 probably has the most shifting and changing of position of any portion of my poll from year to year. its very likely that ODU, unless there is a TON of upheaval among the teams just on the outside looking in (like a Dayton), will not get the "hometown" treatment again next week...especially if they lose

[Dane96]

No problems from me with App's spot, though I do think voters have an axe to grind on occasion. xlolx Curious that W&M remained so high after a whuppin' by Virginia.

And rewarding Stephen F. Austin for running up the score on a Division II/III team? I'd put a bag over the name before I polled 'em higher. xconfusedx

I say this with respect and seriousness-- THIS IS THE TYPE OF THINKING THAT SHOULD GO INTO A POLL. Well thought out!!! SFA...I had high in my pre-season...so I wasn't about to punish them...but they didnt move up tremendously.

[Dane96]

This I don't get.

The playoff committee chairman said last year that FBS losses do not hurt you... and FBS wins help you.

I would view an FCS loss... like Furman losing to Coastal Carolina as much more significant.

He may have said it, but it is a crock of ****. If you get pummeled like some of our teams did this week...looking really useless out there against average FBS teams, that is going to hurt if you are comparing a 11-1 FCS team with 1 close FCS loss and an 11-1 team with no FCS Losses, some close games, and a throttling at the hands of a mid-level FBS squad, which is probably closer to a TOP FCS team than it is a TOP FBS team.

Examples: App State and UNH this week.

[PantherRob82]

I was very much coming down to Sacramento State or South Dakota State for my 25 spot.

Hard to take you seriously with this comment. Sac St beat a BCS team, but they didn't even end up in your Top 25? WTF, mate? xconfusedx

[Dane96]

LOL....NDSU not even in the top 25.....they are a top 10 or 5....easy!

Agreed...this ballot has glaring issues (NO NDSU; JMU, UNH, McNEESE, Central Ark are way to high; Villanova...suspect at being in the poll).

[Dane96]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: William & Mary Tribe
4: Appalachian State Mountaineers
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: North Dakota State Bison
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: South Carolina State Bulldogs
14: Liberty Flames
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Southern Illinois Salukis
18: Pennsylvania Quakers
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Western Illinois Leathernecks
22: Furman Paladins
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Old Dominion Monarchs
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

I will say in full disclosure that the fact that they are my hometown team (lives 26 years in Portsmouth, VA and ODU was my number 1 choice all through my college process. That said, I also considered recent history (like the last two or three seasons) when I got down to my last 5 spots. I was very much coming down to Sacramento State or South Dakota State for my 25 spot.

I said this in another thread post of yours: It's a disgrace that you don't have SAC State in. Sorry, there is absolutely no excuse...they had the best win of the week bar none. Forget that for a second...since that is arguable. You beat a Pac-10 team on the road, even a middling to lower team, and you deserve to be in the Top 20...**** top 25. It's really one of the more glaring omissions I have seen in years here. Further, you make matters worse by putting SBU (who I have in my poll) and WIU in...teams that lost openers. You have Penn in...they haven't played a game. JMU got squashed...badly...and you have them in the Top 15?

Singularly, I can accept some of those...but with the omission of SAC STATE, I cannot. I can't believe i am defending SAC STATE. In reality, I am not...I am defending the integrity of this poll...and frankly, I don't care if it works itself out of the weeks of a season...this effort is piss poor.

Yeah...I am really in a pissy mood over this. We have been known to have the most accurate of the polls...but stuff like this is pure lazy.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Wofford Terriers
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Sacramento State Hornets
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: William & Mary Tribe
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Cal Poly Mustangs
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: James Madison Dukes
18: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
19: Liberty Flames
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I must be one of the only ones, but I am surprised we moved up 6 spots after losing. I know it was a 1 point loss to a FBS team, but it was still a loss plus it wasn't like it was a powerhouse it was just Iowa State.

I guess after a few more weeks things will sort itself out. Can't put too much weight on early season polls.

I guess you're probably right. Bring on UNH! :)

[JMUNJ08]

JMU got squashed...badly...and you have them in the Top 15?

I am defending you in the other thread with SAC State too but I had to defend my Dukes on this one. I was able to watch the game on ESPN3 and saw glimpses of a good team that was overmatched at the line of scrimmage by some BIG boys. We played well and had chances to get back in the game but it wasn't meant to be. We had a slow start and that lead to the scoring gap that we couldn't overcome. I came away happy with out QB situation (we may be able to pass this year) and the continued fight in the team. That is all I really asked for since no one is going to overlook us for awhile thanks to last years VT win. JMU deserves their mid-teens ranking for at least another week.

[Squealofthepig]

I am defending you in the other thread with SAC State too but I had to defend my Dukes on this one. I was able to watch the game on ESPN3 and saw glimpses of a good team that was overmatched at the line of scrimmage by some BIG boys. We played well and had chances to get back in the game but it wasn't meant to be. We had a slow start and that lead to the scoring gap that we couldn't overcome. I came away happy with out QB situation (we may be able to pass this year) and the continued fight in the team. That is all I really asked for since no one is going to overlook us for awhile thanks to last years VT win. JMU deserves their mid-teens ranking for at least another week.

And JMU had a win over FBS last year, which you know was hammered into the Tarheels' players at every opportunity. I was a bit surprised at the final score, but still had the Dukes as mid-teens too (16 in my poll).

[frozennorth]

I am defending you in the other thread with SAC State too but I had to defend my Dukes on this one. I was able to watch the game on ESPN3 and saw glimpses of a good team that was overmatched at the line of scrimmage by some BIG boys. We played well and had chances to get back in the game but it wasn't meant to be. We had a slow start and that lead to the scoring gap that we couldn't overcome. I came away happy with out QB situation (we may be able to pass this year) and the continued fight in the team. That is all I really asked for since no one is going to overlook us for awhile thanks to last years VT win. JMU deserves their mid-teens ranking for at least another week.

Unc still has piles of nfl talent lying around, even if they don't do much with it sometimes. Were it not for the drama and coaching changes, they would probably be ranked. A team like that should be expected to have its way with a good but not elite fcs squad.

[bjtheflamesfan]

My general rule has always been that I dont hammer teams for FBS losses (like drop them like 10 spots in the next week's voting). That's why I largely kept station with William and Mary, Appalachian State, and JMU among others despite being on the wrong side of some very lopsided scores. Now if JMU had lost like that to say...Rhode Island...then heck yeah Im sending them plunging...but not for a game that really on paper they are expected to lose.

[ngineer]

Nice to see we moved a notch. At least we didn't fall as we did in the "fathead" poll, which just underscored the name. The real barometer this week with UNH paying a visit to Goodman. I expect a very close game.

[bjtheflamesfan]

As for Stony Brook, they had UTEP against the ropes for much of their game. If they had pulled off that win Id of probably had them inside the top 20 (along with Sacramento State but again that was a simple error of omission on my part). If they knock off Buffalo or play them like they did UTEP this week that will likely solidify their standing in my next ballot

[dgtw]

I enjoy reading the polls, but don't participate. I simply don't know enough about all the programs to fairly rank them. Even if I followed the FCS as a whole very closely, once I got past the top 10-15, it would simply be throwing out names or copying from other polls.

If I did vote, I likely wouldn't punish a team for an FBS loss. Though a truly bad outing, like App State had, might cause me to drop them a spot or two if those right below them played better.

[blackfordpu]

BFPU is pissy because sam isn't in top 25. Hey man, I voted for y'all

Not pissy at all, I just don't see how that shift happens in that situation. Also, I don't think SFA is a top 15 team yet, they have to prove more after losing some key players from last season and beating a DII does not do that for me. At this point I don't feel SHSU should be in the top 25, we have more to prove as well. Yes, I do think we will end up there soon though.

[PantherRob82]

As for Stony Brook, they had UTEP against the ropes for much of their game. If they had pulled off that win Id of probably had them inside the top 20 (along with Sacramento State but again that was a simple error of omission on my part). If they knock off Buffalo or play them like they did UTEP this week that will likely solidify their standing in my next ballot

But Western Illinois lost to Sam Houston, who doesn't even make your poll. No excuse for that.

[bjtheflamesfan]

I will acknowledge I should have dropped the Leathernecks out for that one (which actually also would have opened up a spot for Sac State which I again acknowledge that their omission was a glaring error on my part). Sam Houston is good but Im not quite sold on their exclusion being as glaring an error as the Hornets.

[PantherRob82]

Here's my vote from this week. I will start off by explaining that I do not vote based on last years results or preseason polls. I go through each conference and find the teams worth ranking and then move them up and down as I go through the next conference. The obvious issue is that to an extent you are guessing on the quality of each FCS and FBS team and these first few weeks will be difficult as a result.

Here's my breakdown:


1: Eastern Washington Eagles: I don't vote the previous champ #1 just because they won, but when you pair that with a performance and near win vs. an in-state FBS rival, EWU gets my vote.

2: Sacramento State Hornets: If I based my vote on the previous year, this vote would never happen, but for Sac State to go on the road to a BCS squads stadium and win is impressive. After one week, it's fair to say they are a Top 5 team. The test is to say if they can continue.

3: Richmond Spiders: BCS win on the road (I know it was Duke) added to Richmond's track record puts them right behind Sac State

4: Weber State Wildcats: This vote might be a little high. Not sure how much almost winning at Wyoming REALLY means, but I don't have many arguments to place anyone higher after week one.

5: Montana State Bobcats: The Bobcats had some high expectations and had a decent game against a good FBS squad. Hard to say.

6: Georgia Southern Eagles: GSU's win over Samford was hard to gauge. Could see arguements to be a little higher or lower.

7: North Dakota State Bison: NDSU smoked Lafayette and it's hard to place them any lower.

8: Northern Iowa Panthers: UNI had a good game against a BCS in-state rival. I've seen them higher and lower in polls.

9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits: SDSU may be a little high in some people's eyes. I've been impressed with the direction of the programs in Brookings and Cedar City, so the Jacks ended up here for week one.

10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks: What does running up the score on a sub D-I team tell you? SFA gets placed here for now.

11: Montana Grizzlies: I saw the Griz in person this weekend and I thought the game was closer than the score showed. I was impressed with the lines on both side of the ball. A few betters decisions here and there and it may have been a different game.

12: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers: Might be a little high in retrospect. Like I said, hard to place teams when some played FCS and some played FBS. Need to see more from CCU and Furman to place them more accurately.

13: McNeese State Cowboys: Good showing vs. Kansas. Hard to say what that means. At least they hung in.

14: Appalachian State Mountaineers: I don't want to assume too much from the game vs. VA Tech, but what I did see was not what I have come to expect from Jerry. This seemed like a fair placement.

15: Central Arkansas Bears: Off the top of my head I can't even remember who they played. Wouldn't argue this too strongly one way or another. The bottom of the poll is even more of a guess than the top.

16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds: I personally expect to see good things from SUU and SDSU. SUU fought tough on the road, and just because they lost doesn't mean they aren't one of the Top 25 teams in FCS.

17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens: I thought the game with Navy might be a little closer.

18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks: I don't have much to say about this one.

19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks: Lehigh won a game they should win. We'll see a lot more this week.

20: Stony Brook Seawolves: Hung in on the road at UTEP.

21: New Hampshire Wildcats: UNH might be a little low. I saw a lot of good from them. Similar to Montana. Their game with Toledo was much closer than the score. Toledo looks to be that one MAC team that is really good every now and then.

22: Maine Black Bears: Won a game they should win.

23: Elon Phoenix: Could argue this one. Good performance vs Vandy though.

24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions: Good game with Tulane. Not sure what to make of that.

25: Villanova Wildcats: Not sure if they even belong in the poll. But that can be said for a lot of these teams.

It was "fun" putting together a Week 1 poll. Especially when you are trying to look at what has happened since last Thursday and not at what the teams did last year. I found that while I don't look at last years results, I did find myself giving teams who had a track record of success the benefit of the doubt.

[PantherRob82]

I will acknowledge I should have dropped the Leathernecks out for that one (which actually also would have opened up a spot for Sac State which I again acknowledge that their omission was a glaring error on my part). Sam Houston is good but Im not quite sold on their exclusion being as glaring an error as the Hornets.

Why do you think Sac State should be at the bottom of the poll, let alone left out? A BCS win seems like a good resume for the first week.

[bjtheflamesfan]

It does I agree. I figure if I had not made the mistake I made theyd probably be in the mid teens (the win over Oregon State is good but not quite go from not even ranked to top 10 in the country good). I hope to see them keep the momentum rolling this weekend

[PantherRob82]

It does I agree. I figure if I had not made the mistake I made theyd probably be in the mid teens (the win over Oregon State is good but not quite go from not even ranked to top 10 in the country good). I hope to see them keep the momentum rolling this weekend

Don't take me too seriously. ;) It's a poll. It's for fun. Means very little. Just fodder for conversation.

[theasushow]

Here's my vote from this week. I will start off by explaining that I do not vote based on last years results or preseason polls. I go through each conference and find the teams worth ranking and then move them up and down as I go through the next conference. The obvious issue is that to an extent you are guessing on the quality of each FCS and FBS team and these first few weeks will be difficult as a result.

Here's my breakdown:


1: Eastern Washington Eagles: I don't vote the previous champ #1 just because they won, but when you pair that with a performance and near win vs. an in-state FBS rival, EWU gets my vote.

2: Sacramento State Hornets: If I based my vote on the previous year, this vote would never happen, but for Sac State to go on the road to a BCS squads stadium and win is impressive. After one week, it's fair to say they are a Top 5 team. The test is to say if they can continue.

3: Richmond Spiders: BCS win on the road (I know it was Duke) added to Richmond's track record puts them right behind Sac State

4: Weber State Wildcats: This vote might be a little high. Not sure how much almost winning at Wyoming REALLY means, but I don't have many arguments to place anyone higher after week one.

5: Montana State Bobcats: The Bobcats had some high expectations and had a decent game against a good FBS squad. Hard to say.

6: Georgia Southern Eagles: GSU's win over Samford was hard to gauge. Could see arguements to be a little higher or lower.

7: North Dakota State Bison: NDSU smoked Lafayette and it's hard to place them any lower.

8: Northern Iowa Panthers: UNI had a good game against a BCS in-state rival. I've seen them higher and lower in polls.

9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits: SDSU may be a little high in some people's eyes. I've been impressed with the direction of the programs in Brookings and Cedar City, so the Jacks ended up here for week one.

10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks: What does running up the score on a sub D-I team tell you? SFA gets placed here for now.

11: Montana Grizzlies: I saw the Griz in person this weekend and I thought the game was closer than the score showed. I was impressed with the lines on both side of the ball. A few betters decisions here and there and it may have been a different game.

12: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers: Might be a little high in retrospect. Like I said, hard to place teams when some played FCS and some played FBS. Need to see more from CCU and Furman to place them more accurately.

13: McNeese State Cowboys: Good showing vs. Kansas. Hard to say what that means. At least they hung in.

14: Appalachian State Mountaineers: I don't want to assume too much from the game vs. VA Tech, but what I did see was not what I have come to expect from Jerry. This seemed like a fair placement.

15: Central Arkansas Bears: Off the top of my head I can't even remember who they played. Wouldn't argue this too strongly one way or another. The bottom of the poll is even more of a guess than the top.

16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds: I personally expect to see good things from SUU and SDSU. SUU fought tough on the road, and just because they lost doesn't mean they aren't one of the Top 25 teams in FCS.

17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens: I thought the game with Navy might be a little closer.

18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks: I don't have much to say about this one.

19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks: Lehigh won a game they should win. We'll see a lot more this week.

20: Stony Brook Seawolves: Hung in on the road at UTEP.

21: New Hampshire Wildcats: UNH might be a little low. I saw a lot of good from them. Similar to Montana. Their game with Toledo was much closer than the score. Toledo looks to be that one MAC team that is really good every now and then.

22: Maine Black Bears: Won a game they should win.

23: Elon Phoenix: Could argue this one. Good performance vs Vandy though.

24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions: Good game with Tulane. Not sure what to make of that.

25: Villanova Wildcats: Not sure if they even belong in the poll. But that can be said for a lot of these teams.

It was "fun" putting together a Week 1 poll. Especially when you are trying to look at what has happened since last Thursday and not at what the teams did last year. I found that while I don't look at last years results, I did find myself giving teams who had a track record of success the benefit of the doubt.

wow...I realize W&M got trounced by UVA, but to go from preseason #3 to out of the polls...pretty brutal!

[Fear the Bird]

Is there a way to see what you voted in the previous polls? I apologize for not being able to vote this past week as Labor Day was tricky for me to get on Sunday or Monday morning. I would like to see what I voted in preseason to compare to today.

[sikolec]

Missed this week's vote due to being out of town for the Labor Day weekend. Surprised to see Sacramento State at #16 after their big upset over Oregon State.

I'm personally keeping track of what I voted each week (pre-season included) as well as what the AGS poll is for each week. I've come up with my rankings for this week, but don't feel a need to post them. I hope to vote every week from here on out...except maybe a vacation here or there.

[GeauxLions94]

Here's my vote from this week. I will start off by explaining that I do not vote based on last years results or preseason polls. I go through each conference and find the teams worth ranking and then move them up and down as I go through the next conference. The obvious issue is that to an extent you are guessing on the quality of each FCS and FBS team and these first few weeks will be difficult as a result.

Here's my breakdown:

24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions: Good game with Tulane. Not sure what to make of that.

Thanks for giving us a little love, though I don't know if we're ready for prime time just yet (we'll see come October after we get past Southern Miss and McNeese State - both on the road).

Tulane is a much better club than I've seen in a few years, but don't if they're bowl worthy. They have their deepest group of running backs since I can remember and a couple of pretty good receivers. Their front seven is also pretty good (for Tulane).

As for us, the offense looked really good (had 419 yards total offense on 89 recorded snaps - actually 96 if you count penalties) ... we were pretty good in our return game, but not so well in kick coverage and one punt return by Tulane ... defensively for us was another story, with several plays of busted coverage, but that was from replacing nine starters on defense from a year ago. We did get a couple of sacks and put a lot of pressure Tulane's QB, even with them spending a lot of the game in Max Protection.

We'll have a tough opener at home against Savannah State on Saturday before facing Southern Miss in Hattiesburg and McNeese State in "The Hole"

[Houndawg]

Here's my vote from this week. I will start off by explaining that I do not vote based on last years results or preseason polls. I go through each conference and find the teams worth ranking and then move them up and down as I go through the next conference. The obvious issue is that to an extent you are guessing on the quality of each FCS and FBS team and these first few weeks will be difficult as a result.

Here's my breakdown:


1: Eastern Washington Eagles: I don't vote the previous champ #1 just because they won, but when you pair that with a performance and near win vs. an in-state FBS rival, EWU gets my vote.

2: Sacramento State Hornets: If I based my vote on the previous year, this vote would never happen, but for Sac State to go on the road to a BCS squads stadium and win is impressive. After one week, it's fair to say they are a Top 5 team. The test is to say if they can continue.

3: Richmond Spiders: BCS win on the road (I know it was Duke) added to Richmond's track record puts them right behind Sac State

4: Weber State Wildcats: This vote might be a little high. Not sure how much almost winning at Wyoming REALLY means, but I don't have many arguments to place anyone higher after week one.

5: Montana State Bobcats: The Bobcats had some high expectations and had a decent game against a good FBS squad. Hard to say.

6: Georgia Southern Eagles: GSU's win over Samford was hard to gauge. Could see arguements to be a little higher or lower.

7: North Dakota State Bison: NDSU smoked Lafayette and it's hard to place them any lower.

8: Northern Iowa Panthers: UNI had a good game against a BCS in-state rival. I've seen them higher and lower in polls.

9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits: SDSU may be a little high in some people's eyes. I've been impressed with the direction of the programs in Brookings and Cedar City, so the Jacks ended up here for week one.

10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks: What does running up the score on a sub D-I team tell you? SFA gets placed here for now.

11: Montana Grizzlies: I saw the Griz in person this weekend and I thought the game was closer than the score showed. I was impressed with the lines on both side of the ball. A few betters decisions here and there and it may have been a different game.

12: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers: Might be a little high in retrospect. Like I said, hard to place teams when some played FCS and some played FBS. Need to see more from CCU and Furman to place them more accurately.

13: McNeese State Cowboys: Good showing vs. Kansas. Hard to say what that means. At least they hung in.

14: Appalachian State Mountaineers: I don't want to assume too much from the game vs. VA Tech, but what I did see was not what I have come to expect from Jerry. This seemed like a fair placement.

15: Central Arkansas Bears: Off the top of my head I can't even remember who they played. Wouldn't argue this too strongly one way or another. The bottom of the poll is even more of a guess than the top.

16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds: I personally expect to see good things from SUU and SDSU. SUU fought tough on the road, and just because they lost doesn't mean they aren't one of the Top 25 teams in FCS.

17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens: I thought the game with Navy might be a little closer.

18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks: I don't have much to say about this one.

19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks: Lehigh won a game they should win. We'll see a lot more this week.

20: Stony Brook Seawolves: Hung in on the road at UTEP.

21: New Hampshire Wildcats: UNH might be a little low. I saw a lot of good from them. Similar to Montana. Their game with Toledo was much closer than the score. Toledo looks to be that one MAC team that is really good every now and then.

22: Maine Black Bears: Won a game they should win.

23: Elon Phoenix: Could argue this one. Good performance vs Vandy though.

24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions: Good game with Tulane. Not sure what to make of that.

25: Villanova Wildcats: Not sure if they even belong in the poll. But that can be said for a lot of these teams.

It was "fun" putting together a Week 1 poll. Especially when you are trying to look at what has happened since last Thursday and not at what the teams did last year. I found that while I don't look at last years results, I did find myself giving teams who had a track record of success the benefit of the doubt.

..or this year's either, evidently...

Deep the hate runs in this one, young skywalker........xlolx

[UNIFanSince1983]

Deep the hate runs in this one, young skywalker........xlolx

He does have quite the West Coast bias. Not to mention not having SIU is a little strange especially with SDSU at 9.

[da_Bison]

..or this year's either, evidently...

Deep the hate runs in this one, young skywalker........xlolx

No doubt, this guy has no business voting in the polls,
4 Big Sky teams in the top 5, and No SIU

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Is there a way to see what you voted in the previous polls? I apologize for not being able to vote this past week as Labor Day was tricky for me to get on Sunday or Monday morning. I would like to see what I voted in preseason to compare to today.
This is currently being built and I will let all know when it is ready.

[Dane96]

I am defending you in the other thread with SAC State too but I had to defend my Dukes on this one. I was able to watch the game on ESPN3 and saw glimpses of a good team that was overmatched at the line of scrimmage by some BIG boys. We played well and had chances to get back in the game but it wasn't meant to be. We had a slow start and that lead to the scoring gap that we couldn't overcome. I came away happy with out QB situation (we may be able to pass this year) and the continued fight in the team. That is all I really asked for since no one is going to overlook us for awhile thanks to last years VT win. JMU deserves their mid-teens ranking for at least another week.

Fair enough...I just saw the game differently against an opponent that I dont see as a middling ACC team (I have FSU, MIAMI, VA TECH, MARYLAND and NC State above them).

But...at least you support your argument unlike a certain someone who says, "OH, I forgot...but they're on my radar...and I will keep tabs on them." That poster...and our good friend who votes on "Facility and Revenue potential" are off their rockers.

[Dane96]

Here's my vote from this week. I will start off by explaining that I do not vote based on last years results or preseason polls. I go through each conference and find the teams worth ranking and then move them up and down as I go through the next conference. The obvious issue is that to an extent you are guessing on the quality of each FCS and FBS team and these first few weeks will be difficult as a result.

Here's my breakdown:


1: Eastern Washington Eagles: I don't vote the previous champ #1 just because they won, but when you pair that with a performance and near win vs. an in-state FBS rival, EWU gets my vote.

2: Sacramento State Hornets: If I based my vote on the previous year, this vote would never happen, but for Sac State to go on the road to a BCS squads stadium and win is impressive. After one week, it's fair to say they are a Top 5 team. The test is to say if they can continue.

3: Richmond Spiders: BCS win on the road (I know it was Duke) added to Richmond's track record puts them right behind Sac State

4: Weber State Wildcats: This vote might be a little high. Not sure how much almost winning at Wyoming REALLY means, but I don't have many arguments to place anyone higher after week one.

5: Montana State Bobcats: The Bobcats had some high expectations and had a decent game against a good FBS squad. Hard to say.

6: Georgia Southern Eagles: GSU's win over Samford was hard to gauge. Could see arguements to be a little higher or lower.

7: North Dakota State Bison: NDSU smoked Lafayette and it's hard to place them any lower.

8: Northern Iowa Panthers: UNI had a good game against a BCS in-state rival. I've seen them higher and lower in polls.

9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits: SDSU may be a little high in some people's eyes. I've been impressed with the direction of the programs in Brookings and Cedar City, so the Jacks ended up here for week one.

10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks: What does running up the score on a sub D-I team tell you? SFA gets placed here for now.

11: Montana Grizzlies: I saw the Griz in person this weekend and I thought the game was closer than the score showed. I was impressed with the lines on both side of the ball. A few betters decisions here and there and it may have been a different game.

12: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers: Might be a little high in retrospect. Like I said, hard to place teams when some played FCS and some played FBS. Need to see more from CCU and Furman to place them more accurately.

13: McNeese State Cowboys: Good showing vs. Kansas. Hard to say what that means. At least they hung in.

14: Appalachian State Mountaineers: I don't want to assume too much from the game vs. VA Tech, but what I did see was not what I have come to expect from Jerry. This seemed like a fair placement.

15: Central Arkansas Bears: Off the top of my head I can't even remember who they played. Wouldn't argue this too strongly one way or another. The bottom of the poll is even more of a guess than the top.

16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds: I personally expect to see good things from SUU and SDSU. SUU fought tough on the road, and just because they lost doesn't mean they aren't one of the Top 25 teams in FCS.

17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens: I thought the game with Navy might be a little closer.

18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks: I don't have much to say about this one.

19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks: Lehigh won a game they should win. We'll see a lot more this week.

20: Stony Brook Seawolves: Hung in on the road at UTEP.

21: New Hampshire Wildcats: UNH might be a little low. I saw a lot of good from them. Similar to Montana. Their game with Toledo was much closer than the score. Toledo looks to be that one MAC team that is really good every now and then.

22: Maine Black Bears: Won a game they should win.

23: Elon Phoenix: Could argue this one. Good performance vs Vandy though.

24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions: Good game with Tulane. Not sure what to make of that.

25: Villanova Wildcats: Not sure if they even belong in the poll. But that can be said for a lot of these teams.

It was "fun" putting together a Week 1 poll. Especially when you are trying to look at what has happened since last Thursday and not at what the teams did last year. I found that while I don't look at last years results, I did find myself giving teams who had a track record of success the benefit of the doubt.

Actually Rob, the playoff committee looks at all Polls...including this one. How much weight they give it, I can't say. I do know this poll is generally the most accurate of the polls when it comes to playoff time (e.g. Top 20 are pretty spot on).

So...if this is "just for fun" I'd say, don't do a POLL.

[PantherRob82]

wow...I realize W&M got trounced by UVA, but to go from preseason #3 to out of the polls...pretty brutal!

I don't even look at the preseason polls. I would agree they should have been considered.

[PantherRob82]

..or this year's either, evidently...

Deep the hate runs in this one, young skywalker........xlolx

I'm not sure that SIU's win over SEMO means a whole lot. If a bad team beats another bad team, should the winner be ranked? I would guess SEMO was a one year success. SIU will be considered going forward.

[PantherRob82]

No doubt, this guy has no business voting in the polls,
4 Big Sky teams in the top 5, and No SIU

I'd say I have a hell of a lot more business than most, but that's another story. My polls shift every week based on resume. I don't slide teams up an down. There's a good reason why the CS.com poll doesn't start for a few weeks and this is it. I'd argue that people who just take preseason polls and move teams around are much less qualified than I am.

[PantherRob82]

Actually Rob, the playoff committee looks at all Polls...including this one. How much weight they give it, I can't say. I do know this poll is generally the most accurate of the polls when it comes to playoff time (e.g. Top 20 are pretty spot on).

So...if this is "just for fun" I'd say, don't do a POLL.

Does the playoff committee still look at this poll? Regardless, one ballot doesn't throw things off that much, and I didn't say "just for fun" , I said it was "fun" putting together a week one poll. "Fun" meaning it's hard to put a week one poll together when you don't have much to work with.

[Skjellyfetti]

Does the playoff committee still look at this poll?

The playoff committee doesn't look at ANY poll (including this one).

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The playoff committee doesn't look at ANY poll (including this one).

Don't they consider the GPI?

[Skjellyfetti]

Don't they consider the GPI?

No.


External polls and computer rankings are not factored into our decisions.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/2009-11-18/ncca6

[Dane96]

Does the playoff committee still look at this poll? Regardless, one ballot doesn't throw things off that much, and I didn't say "just for fun" , I said it was "fun" putting together a week one poll. "Fun" meaning it's hard to put a week one poll together when you don't have much to work with.

You know what Rob...i re-read what you wrote and I apologize. In fact, I didnt think your Poll was bad. I read what I wanted to read when I wrote just for fun because of the nonsense I have been reading the past few days (and last year) from others who just dont give a ****.

So...I apologize

[Dane96]

No.


http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/2009-11-18/ncca6

And if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you on a Prairie.

[Dane96]

The playoff committee doesn't look at ANY poll (including this one).

Categorically untrue. They may say it...but it 'aint fact.

[danefan]

The committee is on record saying the have their own ranking which gets updated weekly on a conference call during the season. They may look at the polls to develop that ranking, but ido not subscribe the theory that the CSN GPI is used for anything.

[Dane96]

You hit on my point exactly. They are human...so they are affected by everything around them. They look at all different sources to form their own rankings...but they do look at polls, games, etc.

That said, I pray to god they dont use the GPI...because the GPI is the worst of the bunch.

[superman7515]

Everything I've seen has always said that the GPI is the most accurate indicator of the FCS playoffs and that the AGS Poll was ranked either the worst or #2 worst.

[danefan]

I should clarify that the Bridge qualification does use the TSN and Coaches Poll in its application, but that only applies to the PFL this year and the committee has no choice if a team meets the criteria, which I think Dayton actually could with an undefeated season.

[PantherRob82]

You know what Rob...i re-read what you wrote and I apologize. In fact, I didnt think your Poll was bad. I read what I wanted to read when I wrote just for fun because of the nonsense I have been reading the past few days (and last year) from others who just dont give a ****.

So...I apologize

It's all good. It's just a message board. :)

[Dane96]

Everything I've seen has always said that the GPI is the most accurate indicator of the FCS playoffs and that the AGS Poll was ranked either the worst or #2 worst.

That's what Ralph and his minions wrote. In some ways, the GPI was somewhat accurate but for the wrong reasons; if you get enough Polls and average them...he likely will end up with an indicator. But the AGS Poll is seemingly always ahead of the curve since I have been following FCS. Coaches Poll's are done by SID's. TSN has writers who don't watch a game other than their home area. Etc...etc.

[bojeta]

I said this in another thread post of yours: It's a disgrace that you don't have SAC State in. Sorry, there is absolutely no excuse...they had the best win of the week bar none. Forget that for a second...since that is arguable. You beat a Pac-10 team on the road, even a middling to lower team, and you deserve to be in the Top 20...**** top 25. It's really one of the more glaring omissions I have seen in years here. Further, you make matters worse by putting SBU (who I have in my poll) and WIU in...teams that lost openers. You have Penn in...they haven't played a game. JMU got squashed...badly...and you have them in the Top 15?


Singularly, I can accept some of those...but with the omission of SAC STATE, I cannot. I can't believe i am defending SAC STATE. In reality, I am not...I am defending the integrity of this poll...and frankly, I don't care if it works itself out of the weeks of a season...this effort is piss poor.

Yeah...I am really in a pissy mood over this. We have been known to have the most accurate of the polls...but stuff like this is pure lazy.

I posted this on the Cal Poly forum and I thought I'd post it here as well because I think we're all a little guilty of making decisions based on perceptions formed long ago with little attention to what's been going on lately in conferences around the country.
I had Sac State ranked in the top 20 of the pre-season poll. Anyone who does their homework should be able to come up with a fairly good poll. Looking at Sac's performance last year, you could see they were able to move and score (score big) against the best teams in the Big Sky. Heck! They put up 61 points against Montana State, the Big Sky Co-Champs!! They lost 24-28 to the National Champs! They finished 5-3 in the Big Sky, losing the 3 games by a combined total of 10 points. Yes, they lost the final game to Davis by 1 point, but if you followed that game (I listened on the radio), it was POURING cats and dogs and the play was understandably sloppy on both sides of the ball. They returned a solid core and brought in some good new talent. Last year, their Offense put up 353 total points and their Defense gave up 272, but 52 of that was to Stanford and 64 to Montana State in the infamous shootout (64-61). They're a Top 10 pick for me currently and the number one threat to Eastern Washington for the Big Sky title. Personally, I'm glad they're Davis' OOC rival this year and not ours.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

My favorite thing about the poll is the look at philosophies because there are always tidbits and great points made as to why people do it the way they do. I like to cull the best ones and put em' into what I'm looking at.

If this poll were used by others then good enough, if it isn't, I don't care. Just being a part of a group of guys & gals with a common interest trying to do the best job they can on any given outcome of the poll is good enough for me.

Plus, it's nice to see people battle about something that matters.:D

[ursus arctos horribilis]

And NO, I don't give a **** if that second part was corny so bite me.

[Dane96]

You just went brokeback on us. You watch RomCom's all weekend?

;)

Well stated though, well stated.

[van]

Thanks Superman.

Can someone tell me why a team like SFA jumped two spots after destroying a team like McMurry and New Hampshire drops four spots after losing to a FBS team (and ends up behind SFA)?

Simple, more people ranked SFA higher than UNH.

[Skjellyfetti]

Categorically untrue. They may say it...but it 'aint fact.

How can you say this, though. I'd take John McCutcheon's word. No reason to disbelieve him.

What would his motivation be to straight up lie? xlolxxconfusedx

[superman7515]

How can you say this, though. I'd take John McCutcheon's word. No reason to disbelieve him.

What would his motivation be to straight up lie? xlolxxconfusedx

He's the Man.

[TwoFeathers]

ASU deserved the drop...but IMO you can't drop ASU and not William&Mary too. ASU lost by more, but VT is also a much better team than UVA.

Agreed. However, while the Tribe's offense was completely pathetic (Paulus couldn't hit the broad side of a barn), the defense held UVA very well for the first half. They finally wore down due to so much time on the field.

[TwoFeathers]

My ballet,...let the bashing begin.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Sacramento State Hornets
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: James Madison Dukes
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Liberty Flames
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

Delaware #5??? C'mon...

[TwoFeathers]

Here was mine, and if UND beats Idaho I will have them in the polls!!

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Wofford Terriers
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Southern Illinois Salukis
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: James Madison Dukes
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Sacramento State Hornets
23: Sam Houston State Bearkats
24: Liberty Flames
25: Cal Poly Mustangs

You can't put Ga Southern above Eastern Washington. GSU struggled against Samford early, while Eastern Washington nearly put away a FBS team.

[TwoFeathers]

ODU with more votes than Maine, Towson, or URI? Southern bias within the CAA?

They may be looking forward a bit. ODU has been pretty impressive including last year. Let's wait and see how they fare against the core CAA teams, though.

[TwoFeathers]

My poll:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Richmond Spiders
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Appalachian State Mountaineers
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
14: Sacramento State Hornets
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Liberty Flames
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: South Carolina State Bulldogs
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

This is reasonable, but Delaware should be lower.

[Dane96]

How can you say this, though. I'd take John McCutcheon's word. No reason to disbelieve him.

What would his motivation be to straight up lie? xlolxxconfusedx

He's not lying...but come on, are you not influenced in your life by outside factors. You think these people don't utilize outside sources to get their rankings. Rankings and polls by nature are subjective. For something to be subjective, it is generally based on influence from my understanding of the concept.

[Houndawg]

I'm not sure that SIU's win over SEMO means a whole lot. If a bad team beats another bad team, should the winner be ranked? I would guess SEMO was a one year success. SIU will be considered going forward.

Bad seems a bit of a stretch when you have UCA at 15 for beating a D2.....Rob, this doesn't have anything to do with the last three seasons, does it.....

[PantherRob82]

Bad seems a bit of a stretch when you have UCA at 15 for beating a D2.....Rob, this doesn't have anything to do with the last three seasons, does it.....

You must have missed the threads where I didn't renew my UNI season tickets and went to the UNH and Montana's game instead of the UNI-Iowa St game. I have no ill feelings towards SIU, and if anything would maybe give them the benefit of the doubt because I see them more often. SIU probably should be ranked. I just gave the opposite point of view since I didn't rank them. I'm not too worried about it with 10 games left on everyones schedules. :)

[Houndawg]

Cool. Curious as to your thinkin'....and agree it will be at least three more weeks before any of them gain a semblance of accuracy.

[PantherRob82]

Cool. Curious as to your thinkin'....and agree it will be at least three more weeks before any of them gain a semblance of accuracy.

Like I said. In regards to SIU I wonder about the quality of either team, but that also was applied to other teams, and as you pointed out, UCA is really nothing more than a shot in the dark at this point. Hopefully this week sorts it out some more. With the way I do my polls it really doesn't matter. I could rank SIU #5 next week if I thought they were #5.

[seantaylor]

You can't put Ga Southern above Eastern Washington. GSU struggled against Samford early, while Eastern Washington nearly put away a FBS team.

Washington is a terrible FBS team, especially without Locker.

[appfan2008]

8 is about right for app state.. i am fine with that...

[Houndawg]

Like I said. In regards to SIU I wonder about the quality of either team, but that also was applied to other teams, and as you pointed out, UCA is really nothing more than a shot in the dark at this point. Hopefully this week sorts it out some more. With the way I do my polls it really doesn't matter. I could rank SIU #5 next week if I thought they were #5.

Why would you think the team that beat you last year with three true FR DBs is weaker this year when it returns the entire two-deep o-line, an experienced QB, and the MVC's top ranked defense?xconfusedx

Need to do your homework if you're going to be a voter....

[TwoFeathers]

Washington is a terrible FBS team, especially without Locker.

Perhaps, but did you see the numbers that Mitchell put up? Pretty sick. And given they are national champs, and #1 coming in, I don't think they did enough to move down. IMO.

[URMite]

I posted this on the Cal Poly forum and I thought I'd post it here as well because I think we're all a little guilty of making decisions based on perceptions formed long ago with little attention to what's been going on lately in conferences around the country.
I had Sac State ranked in the top 20 of the pre-season poll. Anyone who does their homework should be able to come up with a fairly good poll. Looking at Sac's performance last year, you could see they were able to move and score (score big) against the best teams in the Big Sky. Heck! They put up 61 points against Montana State, the Big Sky Co-Champs!! They lost 24-28 to the National Champs! They finished 5-3 in the Big Sky, losing the 3 games by a combined total of 10 points. Yes, they lost the final game to Davis by 1 point, but if you followed that game (I listened on the radio), it was POURING cats and dogs and the play was understandably sloppy on both sides of the ball. They returned a solid core and brought in some good new talent. Last year, their Offense put up 353 total points and their Defense gave up 272, but 52 of that was to Stanford and 64 to Montana State in the infamous shootout (64-61). They're a Top 10 pick for me currently and the number one threat to Eastern Washington for the Big Sky title. Personally, I'm glad they're Davis' OOC rival this year and not ours.

I'm actually wondering if Sac St may be to the Big Sky what Villanova was to the CAA. Other teams in the conference kept saying how they were building into what could be a very good team and yet other conferences kept dismissing it until it actually happened. xchinscratchx

[URMite]

I have noticed a couple of things.

Very few seem concerned with JSU close call against UTM. I personally am considering if I (and others) started them too high, but that could change quickly.

And I seem more impressed with the EKU performance against KSU than others are. Or at least I'm not hearing much about it.

[PantherRob82]

Why would you think the team that beat you last year with three true FR DBs is weaker this year when it returns the entire two-deep o-line, an experienced QB, and the MVC's top ranked defense?xconfusedx

Need to do your homework if you're going to be a voter....

Who said I thought UNI was good last year? You need to do your homework. If my deal with SIU was actually personal, do you think your arguments would get you anywhere? xdeadhorsex

[JMUNJ08]

And I seem more impressed with the EKU performance against KSU than others are. Or at least I'm not hearing much about it.

I kept them in my poll and was impressed as well. I think its more of other things creating noise right now.

[URMite]

I kept them in my poll and was impressed as well. I think its more of other things creating noise right now.

I had them about 27 preseason. Since I didn't vote this past weekend without internet, I'm putting my poll together now, and it looks like I might have moved them up to 20 if I had voted.

When I saw that JSU & EKU were the ones I was most likely to have diferent from the consensus, it prompted my post above.

[Houndawg]

Who said I thought UNI was good last year? You need to do your homework. If my deal with SIU was actually personal, do you think your arguments would get you anywhere? xdeadhorsex

Wellll.... it was a down year for the MVC, and 7-4 isn't stellar, but it isn't bad......xrotatehx

[PantherRob82]

Wellll.... it was a down year for the MVC, and 7-4 isn't stellar, but it isn't bad......xrotatehx
:D