NCAA discrimates against Native Americans

[darell1976]

http://plainsdaily.com/entry/the-next-little-big-horn-black-cloud-says-ncaas-actions-discriminatory-against-spirit-lake-sioux/


Spirit Lake Nation is the only Sioux tribe that lies fully within the boundaries of North Dakota, and it is the closest Sioux reservation to Grand Forks and the University of North Dakota. The tribe voted overwhelmingly to support UND’s use of the Fighting Sioux nickname, although Standing Rock Nation’s council did not.


Black Cloud indicated that “something big” is coming from Spirit Lake, but would not say exactly what was planned. However, it was clear that the tribe has decided to continue fighting to keep the Fighting Sioux name alive. “I’m peeling my gloves off. I’m ready to fight these guys.”

“I would like to push for a discrimination case against the NCAA. They are discriminating against Native Americans in this whole thing,” he said. “You have six other established tribes that have given their namesake and permission…Why is it so hard to allow us that permission?…One tribe should have been enough.”

“It is not about UND anymore,” stated Black Cloud. “It’s about the discrimination and the disrespect that NCAA has shown the people here and the voting parties of Spirit Lake. They wanted us to go away quietly, but we’re not going to.”


Thank you Spirit Lake for all your support and blessing throughout this process. It is sad that the NCAA would grant FSU, CMU, Utah 1 tribal permission but UND had to have two and one of them is mostly in South Dakota. I hope the NCAA gets what is coming to them. But they know how the Indians feel about nicknames as they are in Indianapolis.

[JSUBison]

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[Jacked_Rabbit]

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[Redwyn]

I'm all about anti-political correctness. Frankly I feel that it offends more than it helps....

But something tells me that this just can't end well for North Dakota....We're not talking about a marquee program who can afford to push around the parent body (aka Auburn)...I just can't believe that should this be a major legal battle that North Dakota won't feel heat in other areas.

But I'm just a bit of a cynic about these things, so what do I know...

[No_Skill]

I hope The Big Sky is paying attention.

[eiu1999]

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[StorminASU]

I'll continue the trend...

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[darell1976]

Maybe you guys missed it. Its the Indians throwing the lawsuit idea around, not the school or the state. This could be an eye opener on how bias the NCAA is towards the little schools. What does this have to do with the Big Sky?? A Sioux tribe vs the NCAA. It has nothing to do with athletics, its about discrimination, and how the monopoly-ridden NCAA grants one school for 1 tribal approval but wants nothing to do with the Spirit Lake Sioux who voted, who granted permission to use the name and who was denied a chance to talk to the NCAA. Wouldn't it make sense for the NCAA to talk to the tribe whom the school is named after?

[polsongrizz]

Wouldn't it make sense for the NCAA to talk to the tribe whom the school is named after?

Yes it would, thanks for this info. Hadn't heard this yet.

[100%GRIZ]

Go Spirit Lake & Up with the UND Fighting Sioux - Got a feeling the NCAA may have met their match in the Spirit Lake Sioux Tribe!

[StorminASU]

Maybe you guys missed it. Its the Indians throwing the lawsuit idea around, not the school or the state. This could be an eye opener on how bias the NCAA is towards the little schools. What does this have to do with the Big Sky?? A Sioux tribe vs the NCAA. It has nothing to do with athletics, its about discrimination, and how the monopoly-ridden NCAA grants one school for 1 tribal approval but wants nothing to do with the Spirit Lake Sioux who voted, who granted permission to use the name and who was denied a chance to talk to the NCAA. Wouldn't it make sense for the NCAA to talk to the tribe whom the school is named after?

I didn't miss that fact at all. It's still beating a dead horse at this point. There has been thread after thread about the sioux name and yet, here we are again talking about somebody fighting someone about using the name. Where has this fight been all this time? If they would have done this earlier, the hill to climb wouldn't have been quite as steep as it is now. The school is going to begin the process to change it's name as yet another group fights to hold onto the old one. The only loser in all of this is UND.

[darell1976]

I didn't miss that fact at all. It's still beating a dead horse at this point. There has been thread after thread about the sioux name and yet, here we are again talking about somebody fighting someone about using the name. Where has this fight been all this time? If they would have done this earlier, the hill to climb wouldn't have been quite as steep as it is now. The school is going to begin the process to change it's name as yet another group fights to hold onto the old one. The only loser in all of this is UND.

Wouldn't it shock everyone if the NCAA said we were wrong in not listening to the Spirit Lake Tribe and asking UND to have two tribal approvals when everyone else had to have one. At least the Spirit Lake is not giving up in saving their recognition. Because when (and not if) UND retires the name for good the Sioux tribes of ND will be forgotten unless you drive past their reservations or onto it towards the casino.

[StorminASU]

Wouldn't it shock everyone if the NCAA said we were wrong in not listening to the Spirit Lake Tribe and asking UND to have two tribal approvals when everyone else had to have one. At least the Spirit Lake is not giving up in saving their recognition. Because when (and not if) UND retires the name for good the Sioux tribes of ND will be forgotten unless you drive past their reservations or onto it towards the casino.

Wow, what a jerk move. Neg repping me for having an opinion. You also wanna call home to mommy to complain. I didn't dislike the thread as you alleged in your neg rep comment and I won't stop reading it as you also suggested. I actually find the whole UND name soap opera quite interesting. Grow a set next time. Just because I believe this drama is played out doesn't mean you hate on someone for their comments. I'm not going to return the favor, but next time be above repping someone because you think he's dissing your school.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I hope The Big Sky is paying attention.

So do I. I hope they can stop being the kind of pussies that cave to this kind of thing. This is the tribe that it is supposedly offensive to saying they want this bunch of pansies to listen to what they say and that they are not offended by it. If they are not offended by it what right does some bunch of coddling Serf King wannabees have to take offense on their behalf?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'm all about anti-political correctness. Frankly I feel that it offends more than it helps....

You feel this based on what? Do the people that are offended have some right not to be and are they the actual group that this concerns which appears not to be? Could the offended people just be manufacturing the being offended part so they look like "good people".

If you are all about political correctness then you are also coddling dishonesty and just asking people to be quiet and censor themselves because you can surely agree that most people are not pure of thought and just keep things out of view right?

[JSUBison]

Wow, what a jerk move. Neg repping me for having an opinion. You also wanna call home to mommy to complain. I didn't dislike the thread as you alleged in your neg rep comment and I won't stop reading it as you also suggested. I actually find the whole UND name soap opera quite interesting. Grow a set next time. Just because I believe this drama is played out doesn't mean you hate on someone for their comments. I'm not going to return the favor, but next time be above repping someone because you think he's dissing your school.

Don't feel too bad, ASU. He neg repped me for posting the dead horse. xlolx

[Smitty]

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This is just going to turn into a chicken race in the courtroom...

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Don't feel too bad, ASU. He neg repped me for posting the dead horse. xlolx

I'll hit ya back and cover the damage cuz that neg repping crap is also a sissy move if you're not willing to play out the arguments in public.

[StorminASU]

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This is just going to turn into a chicken race in the courtroom...

Better edit that post Cmitty, lest you fall victim to the dreaded red rep square.

[Redwyn]

You feel this based on what? Do the people that are offended have some right not to be and are they the actual group that this concerns which appears not to be? Could the offended people just be manufacturing the being offended part so they look like "good people".

If you are all about political correctness then you are also coddling dishonesty and just asking people to be quiet and censor themselves because you can surely agree that most people are not pure of thought and just keep things out of view right?

I had a seizure reading this post - the grammar makes it hard to even understand what you're saying. Much like this "very PC" situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNJSc-pW4Q

Care to summarize in a sentence so I can pose a reasonable response? For the record - by the way - I said I was all about anti-PC. ;)

[DJKyR0]

Considering the vast majority of the Spirit Lake tribe didn't even vote, I can't see this going far. It'll be a small group making the case against the NCAA (if it even happens) and won't mean much in the face of the lawsuit already filed by those six students against UND for the environment fostered by the nickname. Don't forget that an astounding 11% of eligible voters actually voted on the name referendum, meaning a staggering 7% of the population supported the nickname - not the 68% the Herald loves to throw around. For those keeping score at home, that's 467 of over 6,500 members. Not exactly a revolutionary number.

Best of luck to the Native Americans on this as they stand to lose far more from the potential fallout of UND losing its name, but I don't see this working.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I had a seizure reading this post - the grammar makes it hard to even understand what you're saying. Much like this "very PC" situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNJSc-pW4Q

Care to summarize in a sentence so I can pose a reasonable response? For the record - by the way - I said I was all about anti-PC. ;)

Oh, well then that's my bad and I misunderstood ya. No I can not summarize and it appears you are correct that I left out a few words here and there so that is again my fault. I was in a conversation while typing the thing and it just didn't work out for me there.xthumbsupx

[kperk014]

http://plainsdaily.com/entry/the-next-little-big-horn-black-cloud-says-ncaas-actions-discriminatory-against-spirit-lake-sioux/





Thank you Spirit Lake for all your support and blessing throughout this process. It is sad that the NCAA would grant FSU, CMU, Utah 1 tribal permission but UND had to have two and one of them is mostly in South Dakota. I hope the NCAA gets what is coming to them. But they know how the Indians feel about nicknames as they are in Indianapolis.

I LOVE IT!!! GO TRIBE!

[crossfire07]

I was in a conversation while typing the thing and it just didn't work out for me there.xthumbsupx

yeah yeah yeah xsmiley_wix

[citdog]

I didn't miss that fact at all. It's still beating a dead horse at this point. There has been thread after thread about the sioux name and yet, here we are again talking about somebody fighting someone about using the name. Where has this fight been all this time? If they would have done this earlier, the hill to climb wouldn't have been quite as steep as it is now. The school is going to begin the process to change it's name as yet another group fights to hold onto the old one. The only loser in all of this is UND.

I'd rather read threads about this issue that MATTERS than ANOTHER thread about your fbs dreams.

Good to see the greatest cavalrymen in the history of this hemisphere taking the field again after all these years!

[StorminASU]

I'd rather read threads about this issue that MATTERS than ANOTHER thread about your fbs dreams.

Good to see the greatest cavalrymen in the history of this hemisphere taking the field again after all these years!

Well we can agree, I would rather read this thread that MATTERS than ANOTHER thread about your dreams of the South rising again/Civil war.

[citdog]

Well we can agree, I would rather read this thread that MATTERS than ANOTHER thread about your dreams of the South rising again/Civil war.

If you paid attention you would know that I don't start threads...I HIJACKAFICATE them. It's a GIFT.

[darell1976]

Considering the vast majority of the Spirit Lake tribe didn't even vote, I can't see this going far. It'll be a small group making the case against the NCAA (if it even happens) and won't mean much in the face of the lawsuit already filed by those six students against UND for the environment fostered by the nickname. Don't forget that an astounding 11% of eligible voters actually voted on the name referendum, meaning a staggering 7% of the population supported the nickname - not the 68% the Herald loves to throw around. For those keeping score at home, that's 467 of over 6,500 members. Not exactly a revolutionary number.

Best of luck to the Native Americans on this as they stand to lose far more from the potential fallout of UND losing its name, but I don't see this working.

Wasn't it a small group that started all this PC sh-t to begin with. I too think nothing much will happen in this but at least they are not quitting. They too know the ramifications to losing the Sioux name forever. While the chickensh-ts on the Standing Rock Tribal Council can sit back and watch their county get poorer and poorer, at least they can't blame all their problems on the Sioux name when it is gone. They will have to come up with a different reason.

[darell1976]

Wow, what a jerk move. Neg repping me for having an opinion. You also wanna call home to mommy to complain. I didn't dislike the thread as you alleged in your neg rep comment and I won't stop reading it as you also suggested. I actually find the whole UND name soap opera quite interesting. Grow a set next time. Just because I believe this drama is played out doesn't mean you hate on someone for their comments. I'm not going to return the favor, but next time be above repping someone because you think he's dissing your school.

Yeah it was a jerk move. I apoligize. I was caught up in emotion. I just found this article interesting how Indians are thinking of taking on the NCAA and not the U or the state. This won't go anywhere especially since the NCAA is a club, and its their rules.

[darell1976]

Don't feel too bad, ASU. He neg repped me for posting the dead horse. xlolx

Sorry about that. Just was in a pissy mood and took it out on you guys. Poor horse.