Problems at the U???

[GeauxLions94]

Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=AuhkKwxKsBBOHpBM8wiMcUo5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_08 1611)

[dgtw]

I guess you can cross them off the SEC's wish list.

[tribe_pride]

Wouldn't this make them perfect for the SEC?

[SideLine Shooter]

Imagine that.

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[bluehenbillk]

Problems at the U might be understated. I can't ever remember a case where head & assistant coaches were named.....

[asumike83]

Is the death penalty a possibility here? This is really, really bad. Coaches named (and pictured) with the booster, owning a sports agency, prostitutes, abortions, cash, cars, bounties on opposing players... I'm just waiting for the cocaine and dead strippers!

[Franks Tanks]

The amount of improper benefits provided here are staggering, but the level of school/coaching staff involvement will dictate how severe the penalty.

This stuff has been going on at the U for decades, but this guy may have been the most lavish with his gifts. If the coaches or staff somehow cordinated or look the other way Miami could be in severe trouble. Tressel got crushed for covering up free tats.

[Franks Tanks]

Is the death penalty a possibility here? This is really, really bad. Coaches named (and pictured) with the booster, owning a sports agency, prostitutes, abortions, cash, cars, bounties on opposing players... I'm just waiting for the cocaine and dead strippers!

It is very sensational, but I don't think this is death penalty even with a coach involvement or cover up. SMU only got it because they continued to pay players after being put on probation. I guess the argument for the death penalty would be that Miami has been on probation before.

[bluehenbillk]

It is very sensational, but I don't think this is death penalty even with a coach involvement or cover up. SMU only got it because they continued to pay players after being put on probation. I guess the argument for the death penalty would be that Miami has been on probation before.

Uhh,, these violations go back to 2002 - Miami was still under probation when many of these alleged incidents took place.

[appfan2008]

not good for the acc that is already dealing with GT and UNC

[813Jag]

Problems at the U might be understated. I can't ever remember a case where head & assistant coaches were named.....
and the Pres and AD.

Saying Miami has problems is like saying losing an arm is minor.

[813Jag]

dude wanted to put in a stripper pole in his suite at Dolphins/Sunlife/Lanshark/Whateverthehellitis Stadium. The basketball program is involved, which could also indirectly impact Mizzou's program.

[813Jag]

You can see all the players involved in the allegations here (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=AlFNLybjfr.it.AmbPTg54ZRMuB_?slug=ys-ray_ray_armstrong_allegations).

[813Jag]

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg619/scaled.php?tn=0&server=619&filename=sgdzmi.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

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[Franks Tanks]

Uhh,, these violations go back to 2002 - Miami was still under probation when many of these alleged incidents took place.

I don't think so. It looks like Miami was on probation from 96-99. If they were on probation in 2002 in was an extremely mild one as it appears that had a full complement of scholarships, and were obviously allowed to play in bowls and on TV.

SMU got the death penalty because they continued to pay players, with the knowledge of university officials, right after being put on very harsh probation.

[eagle07]

YEA YEA, i know not FCS but I figured we could get some good discussion in here about it.

Have you guys heard some of the stuff this booster allegedly paid for. Abortions, Sex Parties, Hookers! Holy Cow, the AD and University had to know some of this was going on.

http://http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6866006/ponzi-schemer-nevin-shapiro-says-provided-benefits-miami-athletes (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6866006/ponzi-schemer-nevin-shapiro-says-provided-benefits-miami-athletes)

[bonarae]

They could face the "death penalty" - the fear might be true...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/808873-miami-football-could-canes-face-the-death-penalty


The NCAA's repeat violator rule, aka "the death penalty," is supposed to be used for those who repeatedly violate NCAA rules, get caught, get punished, and do it again. However, the NCAA has the power to ban schools from competing in a particular sport without preliminary sanctions if the violation is serious enough.

Miami's alleged violations are the most serious that any school has been accused of since 1986, and the argument can be made that they are in fact worse. If the NCAA is going to use the death penalty again, they will use it against Miami.

In the end, I think that the dreaded "death penalty" will not be used. What is more likely is a huge cut in scholarships, television black outs, bowl ineligibility, and perhaps player bans. They may not kill the program, but it'll be enough to turn Miami into a basement dweller for years.

[superman7515]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?89613-Problems-at-the-U

[Bam]

I loved the ESPN 30 for 30 on the U!

[eagle07]

Ahhhh, hmmm did not see other thread my bad..... How do i move/delete or does a MOD have to do it?

[Smitty]

This is where Vikings punter Chris Kluwe said that they just need to pay college players now.

[superman7515]

Looks like it could affect more than just Miami...

Haith's Contract At Mizzou Says He Can Be Fired For Violations At Miami (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/tiger-tracker/article_3338a562-c8eb-11e0-89bf-001a4bcf6878.html)


Under the category "Termination For Cause," the contract stipulates Mizzou "shall have the right to terminate the Contract for Employment" for "any behavior of the employee that brings him into public disrepute, contempt, scandal or ridicule or any behavior that is unfavorable to the reputation or moral or ethical standards of the University."

Specifically, the contract accounts for rules violations that "in the sole judgment of the University, reflect adversely" on it, including "any violation which occurred during prior employment of the Employee at another NCAA member institution."

[superman7515]

Think a Mod has to. Just giving ya a heads up to the regulary scheduled dismantling of a BCS program already in progress.

[kperk014]

I wonder if the prez will sic the IRS on all those players for the unreported income? If he didn't prosecute the black panthers for violating the rights of voters in Philly, it would be a long shot here that he would take action.

[813Jag]

Looks like it could affect more than just Miami...

Haith's Contract At Mizzou Says He Can Be Fired For Violations At Miami (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/tiger-tracker/article_3338a562-c8eb-11e0-89bf-001a4bcf6878.html)
there's also a few players from other schools involved. Two being Robert Marve (QB Purdue) and Orson Charles (TE UGA).

[813Jag]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za5wwChsCwg

[ngineer]

I am just shocked, shocked! I just can't believe what I'm hearing!


Carry on...smokes if you got 'em...

[Go...gate]

Can you say "Death Penalty"?

[Franks Tanks]

Can you say "Death Penalty"?

Death Penalty is not out of the question, but most feel it is a longshot. I was listening to ESPN radio over lunch and one reporter, I didn't catch his name, had an interesting view. Basically he felt the death penalty would likely be avoided due to the sheer loss of revenue to the ACC with a premier program banished for a year or two. Miami football players have been hanging out with shady dudes for a generation, like Luther Campbell in the 80's and 90's, but what allegedly went on here makes the USC and OSU violation look small time.

[superman7515]

Most of it doesn't surprise me. One of the improper benefits being that he paid for an abortion... Now that was surprising.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Death Penalty is not out of the question, but most feel it is a longshot. I was listening to ESPN radio over lunch and one reporter, I didn't catch his name, had an interesting view. Basically he felt the death penalty would likely be avoided due to the sheer loss of revenue to the ACC with a premier program banished for a year or two.

So what you're trying to tell me is..... Miami (FL) is "too big to fail"?

If they get a slap on the wrist, the NCAA is more of a laughingstock than it already is. And that's saying something.

[klak]

So what you're trying to tell me is..... Miami (FL) is "too big to fail"?

If they get a slap on the wrist, the NCAA is more of a laughingstock than it already is. And that's saying something.

They won't get the "death penalty" in name, but it will likely be the death penalty in practice. I'm guessing a loss of 15+ for 5 years and a 5+ year postseason ban. They won't get the death penalty, but they'll be dead.

[AppAlum2003]

I have a feeling this will cripple Miami enough to where they won't be able to afford the best recruits anymore.

[aust42]

I work with a guy that went to the U of Miami back in the mid 70's. He said the football players all drove around campus in new sports cars and were treated like God's. I work with another guy that played at Va Tech in the late 90's. After games the players often got the "Hokie Handshake" from certain people. The closed handshake always had a nice folded up C note or few. My Mom went to high school with a guy that played at Ohio State back in the 60's. He told me one time he would go to the campus Ice Cream shop to pick up his paycheck every week even though he never worked there.

This stuff goes on at every major college football program and most school officials probably have no idea it's going on. Schools cannot efficiently monitor the big time money boosters who bleed their school colors and provide recruits and players benefits for playing at their respective schools. I'm guess I'm just a Redneck because I really don't see anything wrong with it. lol

[Franks Tanks]

This Shapiro guy is an incredible scumbag. He ran a Ponzi scheme, and got his kicks from cavorting with 19 year old college football players, often times in sexual situations. The Miami guys probably though he was a huge d-bag, but of course hung around with him for the perks. Talk about buying your friends.

[Franks Tanks]

I work with a guy that went to the U of Miami back in the mid 70's. He said the football players all drove around campus in new sports cars and were treated like God's. I work with another guy that played at Va Tech in the late 90's. After games the players often got the "Hokie Handshake" from certain people. The closed handshake always had a nice folded up C note or few. My Mom went to high school with a guy that played at Ohio State back in the 60's. He told me one time he would go to the campus Ice Cream shop to pick up his paycheck every week even though he never worked there.

This stuff goes on at every major college football program and most school officials probably have no idea it's going on. Schools cannot efficiently monitor the big time money boosters who bleed their school colors and provide recruits and players benefits for playing at their respective schools. I'm guess I'm just a Redneck because I really don't see anything wrong with it. lol

I am surpised Miami players were being paid in the 70's. They were terrible and whoever was paying them got a raw deal.

I am not surpised by the "handshake" gifts of a few hundred here and there. I am sure that happens often at many places.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Can you say "Death Penalty"?

I think so, too. I feel the NCAA is going to try to make an example of out them. We haven't heard all of the details yet, which is the scary thing!

And, for those who aren't aware, here is the WiKi link to the NCAA's "Death Penalty":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

[813Jag]

I have a feeling this will cripple Miami enough to where they won't be able to afford the best recruits anymore.
have you seen Miami's recruiting lately? They've already been losing the battle to fsu and uf. At this rate they'll be chasing usf and ucf. xlolx

[GeauxLions94]

have you seen Miami's recruiting lately? They've already been losing the battle to fsu and uf. At this rate they'll be chasing usf and ucf. xlolx

I think Jacksonville and Stetson could one-up the Canes xlolx xlolx xlolx

[ngineer]

Miami won't be given death penalty. The NCAA did it to SMU and began the demise of the Southwest Conference. Reports also say the impact, economically, on the Dallas area around SMU was substantial. So, for purely economic reasons, the penalty will not be as drastic. I also wonder whether this gives Al Golden pause about the poor job he has just undertaken. They may have to redo his contract to get him to stay. Will also be interesting to see what Coker has to say. Everyone seemed to think he was getting things straightened out when he arrived.

[superman7515]

Palm Beach Post (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/hurricanes/commentary-university-of-miami-should-prepare-for-the-1756236.html)


If the worst of the allegations are true - from the money and other gifts to the prostitution to providing for an abortion - then it's time to shut down the University of Miami football program.

Otherwise, why should the NCAA ever consider the so-called "death penalty" an option?

That was the ruling that wiped out football at SMU in 1987. The school chose not to return until 1989 and only recently has regained any semblance of respectability. It's a primary reason the NCAA hasn't levied the same punishment on any big-time program since then.

But so what? If the shoe fits at UM and an exhaustive investigation by Yahoo! Sports suggests it might.

[AppAlum2003]

Hey, so if Miami U is called "The U" is Miami(OH) U called "The Oh U!!!!!"?

Do they have limp-wristed linemen?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I could see Miami dropping down or eliminating the program all together. Their academic ranking continues to rise, i believe USNWR has them at #55 overall, that's impressive. Perhaps if the U eliminates the program or downsizes it the U could become the Georgetown of the South.

[TheRevSFA]

Hey, so if Miami U is called "The U" is Miami(OH) U called "The Oh U!!!!!"?

Do they have limp-wristed linemen?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AppAlum2003 again.

[frozennorth]

I could see Miami dropping down or eliminating the program all together. Their academic ranking continues to rise, i believe USNWR has them at #55 overall, that's impressive. Perhaps if the U eliminates the program or downsizes it the U could become the Georgetown of the South.

USNWR has structural biases in their methodology that favor 1) smaller schools 2) private schools. Since Miami is both Small and Private, it's probably overrated by a good 10-15 spots. It's certainly a second tier ACC school, after UVA, UNC, Gtech and Duke. That said, it should hellpurge it's athletics department. Close it down, and restart from scratch.

[813Jag]

I could see Miami dropping down or eliminating the program all together. Their academic ranking continues to rise, i believe USNWR has them at #55 overall, that's impressive. Perhaps if the U eliminates the program or downsizes it the U could become the Georgetown of the South.
Guess SI had the right idea with that story they had in the mid 90's about The U disbanding their program for the the better of the school.

[813Jag]

Luther Campbell speaks (http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/08/nevin_shapiro_can_kiss_my_***.php) on Nevin Shapiro

Shapiro is nothing more than a jilted groupie who ****** over a lot people. He is an opportunistic schemer who now wants to play the role of jailhouse snitch.

[AppAlum2003]

Maybe if they lose NCAA affiliation they could join the AFC East.

Wait, they wouldn't fall under the cap.

[bonarae]

I could see Miami dropping down or eliminating the program all together. Their academic ranking continues to rise, i believe USNWR has them at #55 overall, that's impressive. Perhaps if the U eliminates the program or downsizes it the U could become the Georgetown of the South.

Shut football down entirely, become Independent in all other sports (that are not part of the scandal, e.g. baseball), then after 5-10 years of the football program being dormant (as in the case of U of New Haven), restart the program from scratch and join FBS as an Independent or FCS as PFL.


USNWR has structural biases in their methodology that favor 1) smaller schools 2) private schools. Since Miami is both Small and Private, it's probably overrated by a good 10-15 spots. It's certainly a second tier ACC school, after UVA, UNC, Gtech and Duke. That said, it should hellpurge it's athletics department. Close it down, and restart from scratch.

Some of Miami's athletic programs are all too good to be shut down (e.g. baseball). Just shut down football and all should go smoothly.

[blackfordpu]

Honestly, is anyone surprised by all of this?

[Seawolf97]

I could see Miami dropping down or eliminating the program all together. Their academic ranking continues to rise, i believe USNWR has them at #55 overall, that's impressive. Perhaps if the U eliminates the program or downsizes it the U could become the Georgetown of the South.

New York Media has reported this sentiment this afternoon. Football could be a thing of the past at Miami. Not so much the NCAA's doing but the Univ. President is beside himself with this as are other high level admin members. This imapcts the entire reputation of the University. Stay Tuned.

[blackfordpu]

The Miami (Fl) football program is the largest cash cow that the university has. Do you really think they will get rid of it all together....really? I can see them cleaning house and putting in a bunch of safe guards but not getting rid of it totally. That would surprise me more than if they did nothing at all.

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[dgtw]

If they did drop/downgrade football, they'd have to join a conference for everything else. I doubt the ACC would keep them if they didn't have football. The Sun Belt would be a possibility, they have one non-football member and have FIU and FAU in the area. The Atlantic Sun would be the best fit geographically.

[Cocky]

Why not just make everyone involved transfer (or work at) to Miami (0H)? Wouldnt that be punishment enough?

[NHwildEcat]

Miami of Ohio will be the only Miami in football...does that mean they can drop the Miami (OH) everytime they are listed somewhere?

[813Jag]

Interesting take from here in Tampa:

Plant High School football coach Robert Weiner is angry.

In a scathing, Pulitzer-worthy report by Yahoo Sports that detailed a massive recruiting scandal at the University of Miami, following an 11-month investigation that involved a gajillion hours of interviews, many to corroborate the damning information found in more than 20,000 meticulously researched documents, one high school football coach was mentioned.

One.

Robert Weiner.

http://www.tampabay.com/hometeam/blog/column-plants-robert-weiner-cleared-bad-decision-m/10342/

http://www.tampabay.com/hometeam/blog/weiner-mum-on-miami-booster-allegations/10315/

[bonarae]

Up to 12 players to be ruled ineligible:

http://network.yardbarker.com/college_football/article_external/report_at_least_12_miami_players_to_be_ruled_ineli gible/6348949?linksrc=foxrg_college_football

But Miami wants to have some of them reinstated...

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/Miami-awaiting-eligibility-decisions-from-ncaa-082611

Death penalty still likely to happen, but not as severe as SMU's.