Appalachian FBS committee meets 8-4-11

[Burn the Horse]

I only answered YOUR question. 1936 is the year we joined the Southern Conference. From then until the formation of I-AA EVERY one of those wins is a DIVISION I win. The same as yours.

click refresh from time to time. im impuslive and tend to self edit a lot before I get my final post out. the curse of not having editors, lol.

[citdog]

I was a sports writer for the Tropolitan. not knowing the history of a program at a lower level and miles away does not mean I am not familiar with the game.

The game of football as it is played in the South grew up in the Southern Conference. To understand college football one need only look at WHO has played in it.

[Burn the Horse]

well anyways...

I think this was supposed to be an App State thread right?

[citdog]

well anyways...

I think this was supposed to be an App State thread right?

Dismiss it if you will but please seek out the facts before you do. I would hate for you to look foolish.

[Burn the Horse]

c'mon man, are you really so starved for attention that you are going to drag out a pointless discussion with someone you've never met about a topic only you consider important? i mean seriously, there are children dying of cholera in Somalian hospitals today. you should feel ashamed. ;)

everyone on here knows the only FCS team that actually matters is William and Mary. xthumbsupx

[citdog]

c'mon man, are you really so starved for attention that you are going to drag out a pointless discussion with someone you've never met about a topic only you consider important? i mean seriously, there are children dying of cholera in Somalian hospitals today. you should feel ashamed. ;)

everyone on here knows the only FCS team that actually matters is William and Mary.

Are your ancestors French? Because you surrender AWFUL quickly for a SOUTHRON.
Only been one frenchie since Bonaparte who knew how to fight and that's General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard.

[I-16Bandit]

everyone on here knows the only FCS team that actually matters is William and Mary.

:pumpuke:

[Burn the Horse]

OK, Georgia Southern can matter too. but only because your little pumpkin friend threw up and I feel sorry for you. ;)

[Dane96]

Wow...do you post every 10 minutes?

[Burn the Horse]

eh, i'm sittin' up alone watching a CFL game. nothing else to do. I guess I have posted a lot today.

[tarmac]

oh well


http://www2.wataugademocrat.com/ASU_Sports/story/No-action-taken-on-FBS-study-id-005833

No action taken on FBS study

by Steve Behr Sports Editor

Appalachian State’s Feasibility Committee took no action after its meeting Thursday.

The committee was formed to investigate whether the Mountaineers’ football team should make a move to become a member of the Football Bowl Subdivision, or stay in the Football Championship Subdivision.

A recommendation was not made either way, according to a statement released by the univeristy’s athletic department Friday. There is also no time table to when a recommendation will be made.

The committee will recommend whether to stay in the FCS or to move to the FBS to chancellor Kenneth Peacock. He will then make his recommendation to the Board of Trustees.

“The committee continues to move towards making a recommendation to the ASU Board of Trustees. However, a recommendation was not determined on Thursday and a timeline for making a recommendation was not set,” the statement read.

No mention of any future meetings was mentioned.

[tarmac]

http://www.journalnow.net/index.php/app_trail/

Thursday, May 05, 2011
ASU’s FBS decision

Appalachian State’s decision whether to move from the NCAA’s Football Championship Subdivision to the Football Bowl Subdivision will most likely be delayed, but work toward a decision will continue.

ASU officials have said the timing for a decision of a possible move isn’t the best because of state budget concerns, even though state money isn’t involved in athletic funding or the possible football move.

They said that a target date of May for a recommendation was just that, a target, and that it is not essential for a decision to be made right away. The NCAA’s moratorium that has precluded teams from moving to the FBS will be lifted in August, but there is no deadline for programs to declare their intention to move.

An essential component to the question of whether ASU will move to the FBS has to do with where it would go, in regard to affiliation with an FBS conference. An invitation would have to be extended to ASU, and the possibility of that depends on an opening and subsequent invitation – whether it be as result of a conference’s vacancy, expansion or restructuring, which has yet to unfold.

“There doesn’t seem to be the mass movement within conferences that there was last year at this time,” Charlie Cobb, ASU’s athletics director, said. “That’s a part we can’t control. As much as anything, our work is about being prepared for what could occur.”

It is possible that ASU, if it decides to move, could declare its intention to do so even if a conference opportunity isn’t in place. But an invitation to join an FBS conference must be in place for the Mountaineers to actually make the move. There is not an option to do so as an Independent, even if there was interest in that, which there isn’t. The NCAA requires that programs moving to the FBS must do so as part of an FBS conference.

[citdog]

Find out all the answers on the next episode of Soap.

This whole thing is beginning to look like a cluster**** for appy.

How many times are these guys going to meet and make no decision?

[dgtw]

This thread is like Waiting for Godot. They spend forever talking about it and in the end, nothing happens.

[AppMan]

I am fairly confident a decision has been made, but since no home has been found nothing will be said publicly. It is only a matter of time until the landscape of D-I football begins to change and options begin to emerge. Although I am disappointed with the silence, because I think it would energize the fan base, I can see the hesitancy to do so given the state of funding for the university system right now.

[citdog]

I am fairly confident a decision has been made, but since no home has been found nothing will be said publicly. It is only a matter of time until the landscape of D-I football begins to change and options begin to emerge. Although I am disappointed with the silence, because I think it would energize the fan base, I can see the hesitancy to do so given the state of funding for the university system right now.

I think people bought all the "hope and change" they can stomach for a lifetime three years ago. These fellas will be meeting two years from now and continue issuing these Officer Barbrady like statements.

[ninerID]

This is such a dog and pony show. The whole thing is a ridiculous attempt to appease some of the fan base to show that they do think about moving up, while indirectly improving recruiting for those "tweener" kids (somewhere between FBS and FCS talent).

Are we at a 1 year anniversary of "secret CUSA invite" yet?

You have no new information that you didn't have a year ago. Most importantly, you have no invite.

This whole thing should not have even started until there was at least an invite from the Sun Belt and/or the CAA. At that point a study should have began. Until either of those happen, these meetings, and future meetings, are worthless.

[tarmac]

ninerID's "This whole thing should not have even started until there was at least an invite from the Sun Belt and/or the CAA. At that point a study should have began. Until either of those happen, these meetings, and future meetings, are worthless."

App's approach "As much as anything, our work is about being prepared for what could occur.”

I think App's approach makes more sense.

[Saint3333]

This whole thing should not have even started until there was at least an invite from the Sun Belt and/or the CAA. At that point a study should have began. Until either of those happen, these meetings, and future meetings, are worthless.

I would say the invite is the most important factor of the "should we move" question. I wonder if within the inner circle they don't discuss possible conference shifts in the FBS ranks and consider hypothetical situations in order to be prepared for when the shift starts. Planning and being prepared is never "worthless". In fact it is a very nice change from the reactive leadership ASU had pre 2004. They are playing this correctly, leaving all options open, but letting the fans know they are still discussing this. Sorry they aren't including every discussion with the media, but that's how the game is played.

[GSU EAGLES]

I would say the invite is the most important factor of the "should we move" question. I wonder if within the inner circle they don't discuss possible conference shifts in the FBS ranks and consider hypothetical situations in order to be prepared for when the shift starts. Planning and being prepared is never "worthless". In fact it is a very nice change from the reactive leadership ASU had pre 2004. They are playing this correctly, leaving all options open, but letting the fans know they are still discussing this. Sorry they aren't including every discussion with the media, but that's how the game is played.

If App had an offer from the Sun Belt on the table, would the administration take it? It seems the fan base is 50/50 at best on the Sun Belt.

[Saint3333]

I think that would be a difficult decision. On one side of the coin it could be viewed as getting your foot in the door that may open opportunities down the line. The down side is the increasing travel with a smaller amount of increase in revenues.

The Sun Belt is getting better and putting together pretty decent OOC schedules, but I think ASU could compete favorably with an additional 22 scholarships. I'm not aware of the Sun Belt wishing to expand at this time, so if an invite were given the Sun Belt would have likely lost teams (probably to CUSA) and thus it would look different.

First choice would be CUSA, 2nd new mid-atlantic/southern FBS conference (with a mix of FBS/FCS teams, most unlikely), CAA, then current make up of Sun Belt. WIth moves the Sun Belt could move up the list though. But in my opinion only all four options would be more appealing than the SoCon.

[Cocky]

If App had an offer from the Sun Belt on the table, would the administration take it? It seems the fan base is 50/50 at best on the Sun Belt.

Not an App fan so not an insider, I believe they would or you wouldnt be discussing it. CUSA invite isnt as easy as an SB invite. Of course if movement starts anything could happen so CUSA and others are out talking to several schools to make sure bases are covered.

[ninerID]

App's approach "As much as anything, our work is about being prepared for what could occur.

I think App's approach makes more sense.


I would say the invite is the most important factor of the "should we move" question. I wonder if within the inner circle they don't discuss possible conference shifts in the FBS ranks and consider hypothetical situations in order to be prepared for when the shift starts. Planning and being prepared is never "worthless". In fact it is a very nice change from the reactive leadership ASU had pre 2004. They are playing this correctly, leaving all options open, but letting the fans know they are still discussing this. Sorry they aren't including every discussion with the media, but that's how the game is played.

I don't disagree that being proactive is better than being reactive. But, I also think most "committees" take way more time than what is needed. I really don't think it takes a year of committees and special studies by 3rd parties that cost a tremendous amount of money to see where Appalachian stands.

You have a stadium that seats 21k, and holds almost 30k (approximate numbers, calm down). That is more than enough for the Sun Belt, and upgrades would be needed to be in line with CUSA. Thanks wikipedia.

Most of the schools in both of those conferences are public, so finding out donation/endowment/athletic gifts shouldn't require an outside 3rd party to do the research.

The good news is, you are not Villanova with a small football stadium, and unclear options on expansion.

My plan would be to be proactive in the items that you can control. How big of a stadium do we need? How big of one can we get? What does our donor profile look like in a move to FBS? What would be our travel costs for conference X? What improvements to other facilities would we need? How should the transition period go if we do decide to move up? Those are all items that could be handled in the athletic department. No need for committees, 3rd parties or even public knowledge.

Then when the invite comes, you can respond to what your options are. Have committees on that, but reduce their timeline.

I agree, that being prepared is the best policy, but isn't that what you are paying the guys in the athletic department to do?

[hapapp]

Charlie Cobb did say that an update would be provided before the season started to let folks know where things are at this point.

I believe the athletic department thought the movement that occurred prior to last season would likely continue into this summer. Obviously, things have slowed in terms conference realignments. No doubt, as many have already said, until there is some more movement there is little ASU can really do at this point. It does seem from Cobb's comments in his interview posted on GoASU.com that things are leaning towards a move but all the pieces aren't in place.

It does seem that we go through this whole debate/discussion every time something is mentioned about the committee. I think it is a bit agonizing or nauseating (depending on one's point of view) every time we go through this.

[GSU EAGLES]

You're wrong there. I've watched the Sun Belt progress with admiration. The Sun Belt champion plays for a lot more than The Citadel will ever play for, and it would be very wrong for you to assume that the face of the Football Bowl Subdivision will always look like it currently does until the world ends.

I'd say Troy has more than carried their own over the last 5-6 years, but outside of them, I can't really say any other teams have progressed much. I think there is potential there to improve, but it would take bringing in new members if they are ever going to pass the CUSA as far as Sagarin or similar ratings. Most of the teams in the conference have many years of consistent mediocrity. I haven't seen anything that would change that. App State and Ga Southern with 85 scholarships are the only teams in the Sun Belt region with a history of success, support and tradition that could help in terms of improvement on the field.

[GSU EAGLES]

Progression isn't measured by just wins and losses by its football team, my Georgia Southern friend. I've watched those schools grow in numbers, better facilities, additions of new educational buildings and on-campus living quarters. New schools of learning within each of those universities are being developed. Oh, no. Success isn't just measured by the football team's record. Since making the move to the FBS most of those schools have seen or are seeing vast transformations in athletics AND academics.

You don't see that very much in FCS schools or the progression is much slower.

This is a athletics/football chat board. I hope you didn't think I was referring to academics. I am just pointing out that in terms of performance on the field, there really hasn't been much improvement. They haven't had a team crack the top 25 poll and to the best of my knowledge, they have not defeated a team that has finished the season in the top 25.

[GSU EAGLES]

The same could be said of Georgia Southern and the teams of the Southern Conference who do not have to compete for prestige against the AQ Power $ix conferences of the Football Bowl Subdivision. The Sun Belt's New Orleans Bowl outdrew the FCS National Champsionship game in attendance lending proof to the fact that there are people that give a darn about the Sun Belt Conference. It's bowl game also had a higher Nielson TV Rating than the FCS National Title game.

And I don't want to hear the excuse that the Cotton Bowl hurt the FCS National title game attendance because attendance trends for the game in previous seasons would shoot that argument down. I'm saying that there is something more to play for at the FBS level even if it isn't a national championship. You are being seen more. People want to come to your school more because they see you more. When more people comes to your school, that means more money, more facilities, and growth. Even though this is a "sport board," the face of a school's athletics program oftentimes dictates other attributes of the school.

I just said the SB has not improved much on the field over the past 3-4 years. Maybe it will happen soon. I am a fan of FBS football and the SB. I just honestly think that whatever improvements have been made, it has not translated to performance on the field. Nothing more. I think you can agree with that assesment.


Somehow this was misinterpreted as me saying: FCS is better than FBS, Something about the Cotton bowl, something about better academics, something about Leslie Nielson's ratings

[AppAlum2003]

Man, this thread has gotten really boring. Quick, citdog, offend someone.

[GSU EAGLES]

Man, this thread has gotten really boring. Quick, citdog, offend someone.

The whole App feasability study got very boring with all of the "announcements" that announced there is nothing to announce. So a fitting end to this thread.

[Burn the Horse]

GSU Eagles, the Sun Belt has managed to lock up a second bowl and a third with secondary tie ins in the last 4 years. just because we are still losing games to Florida, Alabama, and Arkansas does not mean we haven't made strides. not many at any level would fare well against schedules like that either, geeze.

[citdog]

Man, this thread has gotten really boring. Quick, citdog, offend someone.

Yosef needs a feasibility study to get a hard on. This is NO way for a school that has had the GREAT success they have had of late to enter the fbs ranks. If you're going then FOR GOD'S SAKE enter the field WITH THE HONOR you have EARNED and not like a cheap, well is there any other kind?, pig's ***, Ga whore.

Also chinapino's are dirty.


Hope this helps

Love

Cit

[AppMan]

I think people bought all the "hope and change" they can stomach for a lifetime three years ago. These fellas will be meeting two years from now and continue issuing these Officer Barbrady like statements.

The guy selling "Hope & Change" three years ago is going down in history as one greatest bait and switch artist's of all times. Little more than a common liar and snake oil salesman. The members of ASU's committee have not made any promises one way or the other. Big difference.

[AppMan]

If App had an offer from the Sun Belt on the table, would the administration take it? It seems the fan base is 50/50 at best on the Sun Belt.

Unless there were some additional schools brought in and divisions formed to ease travel costs I doubt ASU would take the offer.

[AppMan]

Not an App fan so not an insider, I believe they would or you wouldnt be discussing it. CUSA invite isnt as easy as an SB invite. Of course if movement starts anything could happen so CUSA and others are out talking to several schools to make sure bases are covered.

Wright Waters has said the Sun Belt won't consider any FCS schools for expansion, which I personally find a rather arrogant position considering ALL the Sun Belt schools are former 1-AA programs, so the Sun Belt may not be an option. I think some type of announcement will be made before the season begins. It may not reveal much else than to say we're all dressed up sitting by the phone waiting for that special someone to call.

[tarmac]

some comments from AD about halfway thru

http://www.goasu.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=21500&id=790615&DB_MENU_ID=&SPSID=&SPID=&DB_OEM_ID=21500

[dgtw]

Wright Waters has said the Sun Belt won't consider any FCS schools for expansion, which I personally find a rather arrogant position considering ALL the Sun Belt schools are former 1-AA programs, so the Sun Belt may not be an option. I think some type of announcement will be made before the season begins. It may not reveal much else than to say we're all dressed up sitting by the phone waiting for that special someone to call.

In other words, unless La Tech changes their mind, they aren't expanding. nobody from C-USA will drop down a notch and the MAC is outside their footprint.

Why would travel be an issue for Appy in the Sun Belt but not C-USA? If the SBC took Appy and one other team, they'd have 12 and could go to divisions. Even if the only had 11 football schools, they'd have 12 for everything else with Arky-Little Rock.

[Burn the Horse]

i think the Belt is looking to move to a football-mandatory league. no explanation for the anti-FCS outlook. I want App State and La Tech personally.

[ThompsonThe]

i think the Belt is looking to move to a football-mandatory league. no explanation for the anti-FCS outlook. I want App State and La Tech personally.

I believe that our App State fans could really get into playing teams like Troy, Middle Tennessee, and WKU. So much better than the teams we are playing now.

[Saint3333]

Why would travel be an issue for Appy in the Sun Belt but not C-USA? If the SBC took Appy and one other team, they'd have 12 and could go to divisions. Even if the only had 11 football schools, they'd have 12 for everything else with Arky-Little Rock.

Covering the cost of travel would be much easier in CUSA due to increased revenue streams.

[Smitty]

I believe that our App State fans could really get into playing teams like Troy, Middle Tennessee, and WKU. So much better than the teams we are playing now.

Because Troy Middle Tennessee and WKU are so much better than the teams you are currently playing.

[Burn the Horse]

Covering the cost of travel would be much easier in CUSA due to increased revenue streams.

maybe, but yall have zero chance at getting an invite from them in the forseable future, so the point is moot.

[Burn the Horse]

I believe that our App State fans could really get into playing teams like Troy, Middle Tennessee, and WKU. So much better than the teams we are playing now.

I know Troy fans are on board with yall being members. App State is really the only FCS program we as a fanbase are interested in. we have a lot of respect for what you guys have done at your level and the potential is there for success at the next level.

[Saint3333]

maybe, but yall have zero chance at getting an invite from them in the forseable future, so the point is moot.

"Maybe", easy big fella - it is a FACT that the revenue streams in CUSA are greater than the Sun Belt.

I'd say we have a little more than a 0% chance. We aren't #1 on the list, but I'd say ASU would be in the top 6 or 7 for expansion. It will depend on who was left should a shake up occur. Is Troy really that much more attractive to CUSA than ASU? Would UAB fight for or against Troy? Would ECU fight for or against ASU? I personally don't like either Troy or ASU's chances at CUSA, but neither are 0%.

[Burn the Horse]

I never said Troy was headed to C-USA. the biggest reason we aren't going to be top of their list is because Conference USA tends to go for big market teams, which we are not located in. I'd say we have a better chance than App, because we have had a lot of success already in FBS, but we aren't expecting a phone call.

App States best chance is the Belt, and yall might not even get that opportunity.

[Accelerati Incredibilus]

Because Troy Middle Tennessee and WKU are so much better than the teams you are currently playing.

Exactly! Your ignorance is typical of many FCS fans when it comes to the level of play in the Sun Belt.

[McNeese75]

Geez, sure is a lot of huffing and puffing about the SB on this thread. It AINT all that. Troy has had some success but that is about it. When Troy was in FCS their accomplishments in the SLC were nothing stellar. A quick glance at scores back to the 70's had McNeese winning twice as many of the head to head matchups. In those days Troy lived and died by the number of Crimson Tide transfers they could get each year.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Exactly! Your ignorance is typical of many FCS fans when it comes to the level of play in the Sun Belt.

I'm sorry, but that's just utter bull****. The Slumbelt conference has a LOSING record against the Southland, and we're a middle of the pack conference. Of course, we'd be happy to schedule more team from that abyss you call a football conference, if any of you had the intestinal fortitude to schedule us, but it would only drag our strength of schedule down...

The "level of play" in the Sun Belt? Good Gosh, have you seen any of their games?

[citdog]

Exactly! Your ignorance is typical of many FCS fans when it comes to the level of play in the Sun Belt.

Incredibilus homosexualati I will take Mr. Sagarin's opinion that FOUR CONFERENCES IN THE FCS are stronger than the sun belch over yours.

[Smitty]

Exactly! Your ignorance is typical of many FCS fans when it comes to the level of play in the Sun Belt.

I'll keep that in mind next time I hear that App is getting ready to play in the Sun Belt

Florida International §...6 – 2 7 – 6
Troy..........................6 – 2 8 – 5
Middle Tennessee........5 – 3 6 – 7
Arkansas Stat.............4 – 4 4 – 8
Louisiana–Monroe........4 – 4 5 – 7
Florida Atlantic...........3 – 5 4 – 8
Louisiana–Lafayette.....3 – 5 3 – 9
North Texas................3 – 5 3 – 9
Western Kentucky........2 – 6 2 – 10

This is the level of play in the sun belt. I will give you credit it looks absolutely amazing.

Personally I cannot wait to see the rivalry between App and Florida Atlantic xlolx

[Skjellyfetti]

Personally I cannot wait to see the rivalry between App and Florida Atlantic xlolx

Would be an actual competitive rivalry.

Unlike the Battle for the Old Mountain Jug. xcoffeex

[McNeese75]

Kind of like how you do with L$U? Or worse yet, Louisiana Tech, ULM, and Louisiana-Lafayette? The Sun Belt's competition overall is much, much better than the Southland as evidenced to the Sun Belt's rejection of Texas State, UTSA, and Texas-Arlington who instead settled for the woeful Western Athletic Conference. You can't compare the 1970's to 2011. Troy would honestly bang McNeese State like a drum today, but that's only because Troy has increased its stature from 40 years ago where McNeese State is probably the same.

Kind of like we do WHAT? with LSU, etc. And all the rejection of Tx State, UTSA, UTA means to me is the SB is scared of the financial resources and fertile recruiting grounds those schools will enjoy once they get established at the FBS level. Troy probably would and should beat McNeese more often than not but the ONLY reason would be the scholly advantage. Banging like a drum? Not in your lifetime.

[PaladinFan]

This is one of those bad business decisions that everyone else can see coming four miles away, but the people making the call just ignore reality.

[Skjellyfetti]

This is one of those bad business decisions that everyone else can see coming four miles away, but the people making the call just ignore reality.

Always cracks me up when people on the internet accuse a list that looks like this of making bad business decisions:

G.A. Sywassink, Chairman and retired CEO of Standard Holding Corporation
Larry Stone, President and COO of Lowe’s Corporation
John Blackburn, President, Linville Resorts, Inc.
Mark Harrill, President, Foscoe Companies
Jay Howard, President, JHE Production Group
Derek Jenkins, Senior Vice President, Target Stores
Doug Johnson, CEO, Blue Ridge Energies
Jeffrey A. Shepard, Retired CEO, Footstar
Tommy Sofield, CEO, U.S. Buildings
Brad Wilson, CEO, Blue Cross & Blue Shield of North Carolina


Fact is, the committee hasn't made any decisions. No one knows much at all about what is discussed, what conclusions they've reached, what problems they foresee, etc. etc.

Not understanding how you can claim they're making poor decisions. xlolx

[citdog]

The Sagarin Ratings are a crock. This coming from a Mormon. That should tell you just how pathetic and biased those ratings are. A 6-win team in the Southern Conference isn't better than a 4-win team in the Sun Belt Conference just because the SoCon team scored two more wins, but Jeff Sagarin puts way too much stock in number of wins and losses, even if a 9-2 FCS team played one of the weakest schedules in America. If Jeff actually did the right thing and gave Strength of Schedule the amount of weight that it deserves, you wouldn't see the conference ratings that puts four or five FCS leagues over the Sun Belt.

You should honestly be more humble. The Citadel hasn't made any headlines since Shannon Faulkner first stepped on its campus in the 1990's.

Yet his rating system is universally respected COMPLETLY unlike your cult based on a CHARLATAN translating gold plates that no one ever saw whilst looking into a hat all so that he could several wives. Nice choir though! One would have to be a FOOL to put faith in sexual deviants like smith or brigham young.

The Citadel is doing just fine....thanks for asking.


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[Dane96]

Citdog, giving me my humor of the day. Thanks, my tribe friend.


Wow...overall, this thread has to go down as one of the most ecletic, off-center, "no...**** you", "one third-rate league is better than this other third-rate league" threads of all time.

[appfan2008]

Always cracks me up when people on the internet accuse a list that looks like this of making bad business decisions:

G.A. Sywassink, Chairman and retired CEO of Standard Holding Corporation
Larry Stone, President and COO of Lowe’s Corporation
John Blackburn, President, Linville Resorts, Inc.
Mark Harrill, President, Foscoe Companies
Jay Howard, President, JHE Production Group
Derek Jenkins, Senior Vice President, Target Stores
Doug Johnson, CEO, Blue Ridge Energies
Jeffrey A. Shepard, Retired CEO, Footstar
Tommy Sofield, CEO, U.S. Buildings
Brad Wilson, CEO, Blue Cross & Blue Shield of North Carolina


Fact is, the committee hasn't made any decisions. No one knows much at all about what is discussed, what conclusions they've reached, what problems they foresee, etc. etc.

Not understanding how you can claim they're making poor decisions. xlolx

That is a pretty impressive list of people!

[Burn the Horse]

Yet his rating system is universally respected COMPLETLY unlike your cult based on a CHARLATAN translating gold plates that no one ever saw whilst looking into a hat all so that he could several wives. Nice choir though! One would have to be a FOOL to put faith in sexual deviants like smith or brigham young.

The Citadel is doing just fine....thanks for asking.


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i'm no Mormon, but this was utterly offensive Citdog. it's one thing to talk smack about sports, but to insult someone's religion is uncalled for and tacky in this context. He said nothing about you as a person, he had kept his comments related to sports and you attacked his faith. C'mon man, there has to be limits.

[citdog]

i'm no Mormon, but this was utterly offensive Citdog. it's one thing to talk smack about sports, but to insult someone's religion is uncalled for and tacky in this context. He said nothing about you as a person, he had kept his comments related to sports and you attacked his faith. C'mon man, there has to be limits.

I am so glad that you didn't like it. If you read his post he said "the Sagrin ratings are a crock this is coming from a mormon and that should tell you how biased they are". If he didn't want comments about his cult membership he probably shouldn't have brought it up.



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[Burn the Horse]

Citdog you should be repremanded by the Moderator staff for this. you intentionally attacked someone on a personal level because you didn't agree with his comments. you attacked his religion, his faith, and him as an individual just to "make it mean enough" to "win" the discussion. that is low and you should be ashamed.

[Smitty]

Citdog you should be repremanded by the Moderator staff for this. you intentionally attacked someone on a personal level because you didn't agree with his comments. you attacked his religion, his faith, and him as an individual just to "make it mean enough" to "win" the discussion. that is low and you should be ashamed.

Blah blah blah.... Give it a rest and don't bring this crap to the forum. You are not a moderator and should not be reprimanding other people for what they say. If the original poster has an issue with what he said there is a report button down at the bottom of his post.

[Smitty]

That is a pretty impressive list of people!

Kinda makes you wonder how they approach people like that. Hey CEO person of *insert random high profile company here* wanna join a committee that talks about football?

[Skjellyfetti]

Kinda makes you wonder how they approach people like that. Hey CEO person of *insert random high profile company here* wanna join a committee that talks about football?

They're not random. xlolx

They're boosters, Board of Trustees members, etc.

http://www.news.appstate.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/BOTLeaders.jpg


Reading other schools' fans opinion of them... you'd think it was Jim, Ed, and Billy sitting and discussing FBS vs. FCS over drinks at the bar. xlolx

[Burn the Horse]

Blah blah blah.... Give it a rest and don't bring this crap to the forum. You are not a moderator and should not be reprimanding other people for what they say. If the original poster has an issue with what he said there is a report button down at the bottom of his post.

the "crap" is what I have an issue with. just because you find it funny when people's religion/faith is attacked on a sports message board in response to pure sports talk with the intention of "winning an argument," doesn't make it right. I know Citdog is known for being edgy on here and that's fine, but to allow people to throw insults like that around is setting poor precedent.

I've been a moderator on two large boards for many years. I know where this leads. it leads to anger and larger overall problems. smack is one thing, attacking people is another.

[49RFootballNow]

Citdog you should be repremanded by the Moderator staff for this. you intentionally attacked someone on a personal level because you didn't agree with his comments. you attacked his religion, his faith, and him as an individual just to "make it mean enough" to "win" the discussion. that is low and you should be ashamed.

That's his schtick. That's why he gets away with it. He's kind of a permanent gimmick poster.

[Smitty]

the "crap" is what I have an issue with. just because you find it funny when people's religion/faith is attacked on a sports message board in response to pure sports talk with the intention of "winning an argument," doesn't make it right. I know Citdog is known for being edgy on here and that's fine, but to allow people to throw insults like that around is setting poor precedent.

I'm sorry but if you are offended by a post that is on the internet maybe you should go back to watching Sesame Street on PBS (after all SoCon games this fall!). All I am saying is that you have an ignore button and a report button, if it offends you use it. Otherwise don't sit here and derail a thread to police someone.


I've been a moderator on two large boards for many years. I know where this leads. it leads to anger and impounded problems. smack is one thing, attacking people is another.

Big deal you are not a moderator on these boards and have only been a member for a few days.

[Burn the Horse]

That's his schtick. That's why he gets away with it. He's kind of a permanent gimmick poster.

well if everyone on this board is fine with that kind of behavior then I'm done here. I am shocked you guys are defending this. I've never posted on a board that supported one member attacking another in the context with which this was done.

I'm not against talking smack, I do plenty of it. but this was unrelated to the sports topic and came out of left field. gimmick or not, there has to be a line.

[49RFootballNow]

well if everyone on this board is fine with that kind of behavior then I'm done here. I am shocked you guys are defending this. I've never posted on a board that supported one member attacking another in the context with which this was done.

I'm not against talking smack, I do plenty of it. but this was unrelated to the sports topic and came out of left field. gimmick or not, there has to be a line.

If you don't like what ****dog said then report it. click the warning buttom on the bottom left of his offending post and let the mods have it.

[Burn the Horse]

OK, i found the report icon and used it.

[I-16Bandit]

I think that Burn the Horse and Citdog are a great combination. :D

Man I love reading the stuff that Citdog stirs up.

[TheRevSFA]

BTH, you complained about Citdog on another thread as well. You can report to a mod..but ignore him if you don't like what he says. Most people either find his offensive humor amusing, as in finding shock comics amusing, or they ignore him.

[Burn the Horse]

......

[Mountaineer]

OK, i found the report icon and used it.

$5 says Ursus and the mods will be laughing their asses off. xlolx

Fer chrissakes.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9848/welcome2ags.jpg

[Burn the Horse]

BTH, you complained about Citdog on another thread as well. You can report to a mod..but ignore him if you don't like what he says. Most people either find his offensive humor amusing, as in finding shock comics amusing, or they ignore him.

I complained about him being a jerk in the past, but this particular issue I have with him is not about me. It is about one poster attacking another poster's faith in order to win an argument having nothing to do with religion. if that happened to anyone they would be offended. someone had to say something, the guy just has no limits and that is wrong.

[Burn the Horse]

everything is funny in the right context, but this was not that situation. South Park mocking Mormons? hilarious. Citdog using faith to shut someone up who he doesn't agree with...not funny.

[49RFootballNow]

See, what we have here is an expectations issue. You came here expecting reasonable and well though out discussions on FCS topics.

That's not what THIS board is about.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/

That's were you can go to find reasonable discussions of FCS topics.

[I-16Bandit]

BTH, you complained about Citdog on another thread as well. You can report to a mod..but ignore him if you don't like what he says. Most people either find his offensive humor amusing, as in finding shock comics amusing, or they ignore him.

He already blocked Citdog briefly as soon as he got here, but Citdog still got to him. Haha.

But seriously Burn, I know you may have been offended, but lighten up some. Just don't acknowledge Citdog (sorry man). It's just how we are here on AGS. Wouldn't want to loose you off the board for something silly like this.

[I-16Bandit]

See, what we have here is an expectations issue. You came here expecting reasonable and well though out discussions on FCS topics.

That's not what THIS board is about.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/

That's were you can go to find reasonable discussions of FCS topics.

Shut up.

[Burn the Horse]

I guess so 49R. I am just accustomed to a different kind of sports board than this it seems. the boards I frequent and moderate have policies in place to prevent people from outright attacking other members. If that is how it goes around here than that is my mistake and I'll back off.

it surprised me that you guys came to his defense, but if that's how it is done here than I'll drop the issue. sorry.

[Burn the Horse]

I had unblocked him because people told me I should give him another chance.

that was a mistake and I won't make it twice.

[49RFootballNow]

I don't think anyone here came to citdog's defense. I doubt you'd find too many El Cid grads on here even coming to his defense.

[appfan2008]

I wont come to his defense but he is who he is and ags is what ags is... love it or hate it... i have loved it for a long time and plan on continuing to do so...

[Dane96]

Citdog you should be repremanded by the Moderator staff for this. you intentionally attacked someone on a personal level because you didn't agree with his comments. you attacked his religion, his faith, and him as an individual just to "make it mean enough" to "win" the discussion. that is low and you should be ashamed.

Give it a rest sally. While Citdog can, and sometimes yearns to, offend...in this instance the poster brought up his religion as a source of something to do with what he was about to say.

[I-16Bandit]

Give it a rest sally. While Citdog can, and sometimes yearns to, offend...in this instance the poster brought up his religion as a source of something to do with what he was about to say.

Exactly. And when he gets a reaction out of somebody like you, it feeds the fire that is Citdog. If you notice, he only replies to you after you would reply to him.

[McNeese75]

See, what we have here is an expectations issue. You came here expecting reasonable and well though out discussions on FCS topics.

That's not what THIS board is about.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/

That's were you can go to find reasonable discussions of FCS topics.

xlolx Now thats funny, I don't care who you are

[Dane96]

everything is funny in the right context, but this was not that situation. South Park mocking Mormons? hilarious. Citdog using faith to shut someone up who he doesn't agree with...not funny.

What the **** is the difference? Who are you to say something is funny on TV and not in a forum. Would South Park mocking the holocust (not that they have) be ok...but doing the same here is not?

Maybe Citdog is expressing his artistic side. Either way, give it a rest...post football and get used to one thing in life that is a fact: you may not like how others behave...but you can either sack up and ignore it, complain once or twice...or move on.

Frankly, your posts bore the **** out of me. Doesn't mean I want you to leave the board....so I deal with your preaching.

[appfan2008]

xlolx Now thats funny, I don't care who you are

Congrats on the 5,000 posts!!!

[TheRevSFA]

What the **** is the difference? Who are you to say something is funny on TV and not in a forum. Would South Park mocking the holocust (not that they have) be ok...but doing the same here is not?

Maybe Citdog is expressing his artistic side. Either way, give it a rest...post football and get used to one thing in life that is a fact: you may not like how others behave...but you can either sack up and ignore it, complain once or twice...or move on.

Frankly, your posts bore the **** out of me.

Don't mess with him, BTH, he's got a ****ty view from his office!

[Dane96]

See, what we have here is an expectations issue. You came here expecting reasonable and well though out discussions on FCS topics.

That's not what THIS board is about.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/

That's were you can go to find reasonable discussions of FCS topics.

OMG...the irony. 49er...you are my new favorite poster...and I seriously mean that. Your one post just brightened my day.

[Dane96]

Don't mess with him, BTH, he's got a ****ty view from his office!

Damn right...my view makes me angry as a m'fcker. ;)

But the view from my law school "club" is faaaaantastic (too bad I can't deal with paying the fee). Where's that UMASS fan.....

[appfan2008]

Damn right...my view makes me angry as a m'fcker. ;)

But the view from my law school "club" is faaaaantastic (too bad I can't deal with paying the fee). Where's that UMASS fan.....

I just wish I had a view... sometimes I think of this as more like a jail cell with no windows... so I am jealous of anyone with a window!

[citdog]

the "crap" is what I have an issue with. just because you find it funny when people's religion/faith is attacked on a sports message board in response to pure sports talk with the intention of "winning an argument," doesn't make it right. I know Citdog is known for being edgy on here and that's fine, but to allow people to throw insults like that around is setting poor precedent.

I've been a moderator on two large boards for many years. I know where this leads. it leads to anger and larger overall problems. smack is one thing, attacking people is another.

You should really attempt to hose out your vagina........it seems pretty sandy up there.

Grizzaholic is the self appointed moderatin' scum here not you.

[dgtw]

This board is a little "bluer" than other ones I've posted on but its something I can deal with because I like talking FCS football and posting on message boards in general. I have left boards in the past because the tone got to a point I didn't like but since I didn't run the board it wasn't my place to change the rules. I really don't know what citdog's deal is, but he is what he is so accept him or ignore him. I doubt any mod complaints will result in his ban.

What exactly do the Sagarin ratings have to do with membership in the LDS Church? Is Sagarin a Mormon or are the ratings based out of BYU?

[superman7515]

Damn right...my view makes me angry as a m'fcker. ;)

But the view from my law school "club" is faaaaantastic (too bad I can't deal with paying the fee). Where's that UMASS fan.....

Shouldn't you be eating lunch in Baltimore?

[citdog]

This board is a little "bluer" than other ones I've posted on but its something I can deal with because I like talking FCS football and posting on message boards in general. I have left boards in the past because the tone got to a point I didn't like but since I didn't run the board it wasn't my place to change the rules. I really don't know what citdog's deal is, but he is what he is so accept him or ignore him. I doubt any mod complaints will result in his ban.

What exactly do the Sagarin ratings have to do with membership in the LDS Church? Is Sagarin a Mormon or are the ratings based out of BYU?

I only wish some of you bleeding gashes were members of this site before the secession. It would have been fun to see the obesity twins, Cap'n Cat and d1b, appaholic, and others pass you around like a hooker.

Dgtw apparently being a son of moroni gives one special understanding of Mr. Sagarin's ratings. As this, what can only be described as a gift directly from "heavenly father", is what started this whole massive amount of blood to come gushing out of burnthehorse's vajayjay.

Perhaps tenninutah would like to tell us all how indians in north america are actually JEWS. All of Israel is waiting to LAUGH OUR FORESKINS off as we do when anyone mentions this cult.

[citdog]

Shouldn't you be eating lunch in Baltimore?


No cops

[AppAlum2003]

See? Told you guys this thread was getting boring and we needed citdog to offend someone to get it rolling again.

Thanks dog.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I really can't tell y'all how glad I am to see so many of you siding with a fella's prerogative to express his opinion and not be admonished to fit inside some perceived societal boundaries.

I like Tennesseeboy, I also like Burney. I however think all religious beliefs are horse ****. You are free to have them cuz it don't matter a thing to me, but if you think for one second that I am gonna shield anyone from scrutiny of what you believe in then you are just out of your mind. You bring it up then you better know that it's open to another making a point or a joke about.

If you are personally threatened in some manner ( "I'm gonna kick your *** when I see ya"...etc.) then let me know. I don't want to hear about what your definition of a personal attack is though. We all have fluctuations in that regard depending on what the subject is.

49er...that was flat out hilarious brother.

Dane96 and the rest of ya...I really couldn't have said it better myself.

Burn The Horse...I hope you can learn to handle a rough house non PC environment cuz I like what you bring to this board. If you can not though I will tell you what I have told ONE other guy in the past couple months...If it's too rough for ya then we just come from different perspectives and mine is the one we are gonna be working from here so the choice is yours and yours alone to participate or not.

Safe has never equaled fun in my lifetime and it has sure never equaled exciting, compelling, humorous, etc...so those aren't the discussions I cotton to.xthumbsupx

[McNeese75]

Congrats on the 5,000 posts!!!

Thank you Sir!! You are a Gentleman and a Scholar, I don't care what Citdog says :)

[Dane96]

Shouldn't you be eating lunch in Baltimore?

Sad, I have no idea if that is a dig or a joke that i should laugh at. So, I have decided to punch myself in the nuts after jerking off. That way, I can laugh and smile and cry all at once.

[Sir William]

I only wish some of you bleeding gashes were members of this site before the secession. It would have been fun to see the obesity twins, Cap'n Cat and d1b, appaholic, and others pass you around like a hooker.

Dgtw apparently being a son of moroni gives one special understanding of Mr. Sagarin's ratings. As this, what can only be described as a gift directly from "heavenly father", is what started this whole massive amount of blood to come gushing out of burnthehorse's vajayjay.

Perhaps tenninutah would like to tell us all how indians in north america are actually JEWS. All of Israel is waiting to LAUGH OUR FORESKINS off as we do when anyone mentions this cult.

Holy cow! LOL!

Did I say "holy cow"? Let the hindus have it, boys!!

[GSU EAGLES]

the "crap" is what I have an issue with. just because you find it funny when people's religion/faith is attacked on a sports message board in response to pure sports talk with the intention of "winning an argument," doesn't make it right. I know Citdog is known for being edgy on here and that's fine, but to allow people to throw insults like that around is setting poor precedent.

I've been a moderator on two large boards for many years. I know where this leads. it leads to anger and larger overall problems. smack is one thing, attacking people is another.

Also, if you say anything that can be perceived as negative about the SunBelt on the SunBelt board, Burn the Horse is a moderatpr and he will ban you. If you bring up Sagarin ratings - Automatic Ban. If a moderator used his standards on AGS his comments on here would have had him banned long ago.

[GSU EAGLES]

Citidog's comments were pretty pathetic, but I'm not going to report the post because my faith is ALWAYS attacked! I have learned that to truly be close to Jesus, we must be persecuted for our faith like Jesus. Not very many people get persecuted for their faiths like the Mormons do. So, as classless and irresponsible as Citidog's comments were, it just stands to prove what I already know. It still doesn't change the fact that The Citadel has one of the worst football teams in the Football Championship Subdivision, and one that hasn't done anything for nearly 20 years.

Believe it or not, CITDOG is Jewish so he should be able to relate.

[Dane96]

Citidog's comments were pretty pathetic, but I'm not going to report the post because my faith is ALWAYS attacked! I have learned that to truly be close to Jesus, we must be persecuted for our faith like Jesus. Not very many people get persecuted for their faiths like the Mormons do. So, as classless and irresponsible as Citidog's comments were, it just stands to prove what I already know. It still doesn't change the fact that The Citadel has one of the worst football teams in the Football Championship Subdivision, and one that hasn't done anything for nearly 20 years.

Well, WTF did you bring your religion into the argument for. I am asking a serious question. Because you were about to curse...and you wanted us to know how strongly you felt about the Sagrin ratings that it lead you to sin? Come on now. I don't go around saying, "I have a big dick so...."; "I am a jew/catholic so..."; "I stayed at a Holiday in so...". BTW, that first one is a patent lie.

Back to the ranch, injecting your Mormonism simply didn't belong or help your argument...so if you are going to bring it in...well, if someone's got a problem with it you bet your *** it's going to be fair game.

Kinda like why I was taught to never ask a question of a witness on the stand if I was not pretty sure of the answer or what the jury reaction to the question will be.

[Dane96]

Also, if you say anything that can be perceived as negative about the SunBelt on the SunBelt board, Burn the Horse is a moderatpr and he will ban you. If you bring up Sagarin ratings - Automatic Ban. If a moderator used his standards on AGS his comments on here would have had him banned long ago.

Where's Ralph....

[Dane96]

Yeah...I read it. Still doesn't remotely back up your reasoning.

Injecting your religious belief into the conversation opened you up to a statement of such religion. Would I have done it. No, but I am not Citdog. However, you can't cry over his freedom of speech. Guy didn't say he wanted to kill you and all Mormon's. He stated he felt your religion was a farce....as was your argument.

Again, I am not advocating his comments...but don't act surprised.

Pretty Simple.

[GSU EAGLES]

See reply two comments back regarding Saragin Ratings being a crock of ****.

No way you are Mormon using language like that.

[Apphole]

Citdog is just jealous. He hates on any successful program because he knows how bad Citadel is (leave out the THE and watch him go nuts). He also hates Mormons because he wishes he could have several wives. His discusses his Jewish faith openly on AGS to get it out of his system, knowing that if he let that fact slip at one of his Klan meetings, he would certainly be lynched by his fellow, white-hooded South Carolinians.

[Burn the Horse]

Also, if you say anything that can be perceived as negative about the SunBelt on the SunBelt board, Burn the Horse is a moderatpr and he will ban you. If you bring up Sagarin ratings - Automatic Ban. If a moderator used his standards on AGS his comments on here would have had him banned long ago.

actually GSU Eagles, no one has EVER been banned from the Sun Belt board. in fact, no one has EVER been sent on a "vacation" for ANYTHING said on that board by one of our Mods. But I guess you wouldn't know that since you spend your whole time there begging us to consider your program for admission. Seriously, it's getting old. don't try to come here and make me look bad, I can do that all on my own. if you DO want to give it another try though, I would recommend not LYING to do it.

I may not be popular here right now, but atleast I'm honest.

[citdog]

Pretty pathetic of you to attack a religion because your school has underperformed for more than 20 years. How old are you? 12?

We would probably do much better if we played in the sun belch of the FCS, the little south, instead we play in the BEST league in the FCS. One of the FOUR rated higher than yours.

Thanks for playing

[TheRevSFA]

Holy **** this thread became a barrel of awesome

[Burn the Horse]

Holy **** this thread became a barrel of awesome

we're gonna need a bigger barrel.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

we're gonna need a bigger barrel.

xlolx

Excellent reference.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--ij0EOpGAYA/ThFdv7yIygI/AAAAAAAAHK8/ERjl9RBV1nA/s1600/jaws-comin-out-the-water.jpg

[Burn the Horse]

thanks. one of my favorite movies of all time. I wouldn't jump in a pool for months as a child after seeing it.

[citdog]

Citidog's comments were pretty pathetic, but I'm not going to report the post because my faith is ALWAYS attacked! I have learned that to truly be close to Jesus, we must be persecuted for our faith like Jesus. Not very many people get persecuted for their faiths like the Mormons do. So, as classless and irresponsible as Citidog's comments were, it just stands to prove what I already know. It still doesn't change the fact that The Citadel has one of the worst football teams in the Football Championship Subdivision, and one that hasn't done anything for nearly 20 years.

Would you like to get into a statistical debate over who has been persecuted the most?

6 million.

I win

Brigham Young was a pussy who ALWAYS retreated when confronted by the army. Cult leaders usually do run away........look at YOUR warren jeffs for a modern example.


If you want to believe that Yahweh buried golden plates in upstate new york and the Angel Gabriel appeared to joseph smith and Gabriels friend moroni gave smith rocks to read these plates and that the American Indians were Jews you are free to do so........I am also free to mock you for being one of the most gullible and unbelievably stupid man ever to inhabit this planet.

Ps.........your Jesus of nazareth.......ALSO JEWISH

[Dane96]

Citdog....bad dog.

You forgot pre-BC, Jesus (pun intended). What about all those lost to the Romans, Egyptians, Sumarians, Otto-Turks, the cleansing of E. Europe...etc.

Number of tribe lost would be a lot bigger. Though TennBoy should concede the point.

[citdog]

Last I checked, BYU doesn't play in the Sun Belt. You must not have been paying attention while watching the little Citadel get its @ss kicked by every single team in the Southern Conference. Thank goodness for Chowan and Presby, eh? Anyhow, thanks for playing.

You were touting how troy STATE would roll through people like Lee went through joe hooker not 2 pages ago. The Citadel will be MUCH improved this season. With Yahweh's blessing, and honor, we will prevail. The wishbone allowed us to shock the world with our prowess once before......The 'Dogs are THRUSTING in 2011.

[Dane96]

NM

[Dane96]

I have no problem with Judaism even though it rejects Jesus Christ as the Messiah. That's one you'll have to take up with God once you're gone from this world. In this country, the Mormons are persecuted more than your Jews. This country actually fights for your Jews. This country murdered Joseph Smith who did absolutely nothing wrong to warrant being murdered. No one is holding me against my will telling me what to believe. Therefore, the definition of a cult (which describes the Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, and the Charles Manson Family) does not apply to the Mormon Church. But like I said, your comments are as irrelevant as your pathetic excuse of a football program.

Ok...now we are getting all religious on this board. Let's get back to Appy State.

That said, wtf is getting persecuted. Seriously...no one is getting persecuted to the level you utilize as persecution. I mean for Pete's Sake a Mormon is a front-runner to win the Republican nomination for President. Even the ****ing Celtics...are run by a Mormon.

[superman7515]

Sad, I have no idea if that is a dig or a joke that i should laugh at. So, I have decided to punch myself in the nuts after jerking off. That way, I can laugh and smile and cry all at once.

That's a real tragedy. Follow this... AGS No Cop Lunch For Rubes (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?84673-banned-from-the-FCS-Discussion-Board)

[superman7515]

Can't we all just agree that Citdog killed Jesus during Pickett's Charge and TennesseeBoy killed common sense when he chose to follow Brigham Young... http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/images/young.jpg... over the widely accepted true messiah... http://dcgn0mrmiumxb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/FlyingSpaghettiMonster.FSM_.Pottymouth.jpg

[Apphole]

No group has been more persecuted in the United States than Native Americans. Shame on you NDSU.

[Dane96]

LOL! First you say, "let's get back to Appy State, then you talk more religion." People of your faith, Dane, murdered our prophet. They also murdered and raped many of the Latter-Day Saint women and children as they pushed the saints out of Palmyra, New York and then further West. The Jews are protected in this country. It's not our fault Citi's lineage pissed off the descendants of Ishmael.

I am the spawn of Catholic Sperm and Jewish ovaries. Now go **** yourself. Unless you had someone killed close to you because of sexual, political, racial, cultural, or religious orientation, like some of us who have relatives pass in the Holocaust/Ethnic Cleansing (pick your region), etc...shut your pie hole.

Persecuted...when have you been persecuted.

[Dane96]

That's a real tragedy. Follow this... AGS No Cop Lunch For Rubes (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?84673-banned-from-the-FCS-Discussion-Board)

Holy ****...he finally got banned. Ha.

BTW, I hope you know I was joking about the law school thing. Some knucklehead got all high and mighty as why UMASS was on the verge of greatness because UMASS Alumni have a 33rd floor suite in downtown Boston. I pointed out that my smallish law school had the same on the 38th floor.

But i really don't like that GASouthern Legal Eagle dude...so that **** made my day.

[Redwyn]

Are your ancestors French? Because you surrender AWFUL quickly for a SOUTHRON.
Only been one frenchie since Bonaparte who knew how to fight and that's General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard.

Well, depends if you ignore Haitians in describing French. Toussant L'Overture would object (right around Napoleon's era).

Since then your statement does hold a slight bit of truth. While a very, very, very, stubborn general - one tactically without the novelty and skill bestowed upon Lee - Beauregard was one of the noblest and courageous fighters in the Southern Army. His persistence and foresight at Petersburg was impressive.

[citdog]

More like the 'Dogs are going to get thrusted. Plus, I was simply defending a position I believe to be true regarding Troy compared to some woeful teams like yours and those in the Southland. You do know know that the Ku Klux Klan has a thing against Jews, right? Nathan Bedford Forrest is the face of the KKK.

Perhaps in the universe you live in. Google LT. Genl Forrest's speech to the pole bearers. Genl Forrest DISBANDED the first klan and it and HIM have nothing to do with its current manifestation. We may not have been winning much lately but we are ALWAYS up for a FIGHT......ask anyone.

[citdog]

Citdog is just jealous. He hates on any successful program because he knows how bad Citadel is (leave out the THE and watch him go nuts). He also hates Mormons because he wishes he could have several wives. His discusses his Jewish faith openly on AGS to get it out of his system, knowing that if he let that fact slip at one of his Klan meetings, he would certainly be lynched by his fellow, white-hooded South Carolinians.


The above shows ABSOLUTE ignorance of the history of the City of Charleston, SC. Home of the oldest synagogue in the 'late united states' and often referred to as "OUR JERUSALEM". Charleston had the largest Jewish population in the COUNTRY in 1860 and they fought for the Confederacy as hard as any. Robert Rosen's fine book The Jewish Confederates tells OUR story. My avatar is Judah P. Benjamin, the FIRST JEW to hold a cabinet level post in the history of north america. HE was a JEWISH CONFEDERATE!

[Dane96]

Citdog...was with you til this post. Absolutely not true. Oldest house of Judaic worship in the US is in Rhode Island...Newport to be exact. Charleston's wasn't around for about 80 something years if memory serves me correct...

Now, if you a referring to the Confederate States of America as the "Late United States"...well, I'd guess it would make sense in your world.

Now you can go tell me to go **** my sewer slum self.

Thanks.

[Appaholic]

Citdog you should be repremanded by the Moderator staff for this. you intentionally attacked someone on a personal level because you didn't agree with his comments. you attacked his religion, his faith, and him as an individual just to "make it mean enough" to "win" the discussion. that is low and you should be ashamed.

See BTH, that's where you went astray....assuming our resident kike b1tch has any shame at all. And given he is a graduate of citadel, surely he would not fight honorably....it's a school that takes pride in losing a war, fought tooth & nail to not have women in their barracks and lost to WCU the last two years. The mere fact el cid continues to claim they deserve to be a member of the SoCon shows it has no shame....I fully expect them to drop down to the Sunbelt in the next couple of years...

[Dane96]

This thread...is just outstanding.

[citdog]

Well, depends if you ignore Haitians in describing French. Toussant L'Overture would object (right around Napoleon's era).

Since then your statement does hold a slight bit of truth. While a very, very, very, stubborn general - one tactically without the novelty and skill bestowed upon Lee - Beauregard was one of the noblest and courageous fighters in the Southern Army. His persistence and foresight at Petersburg was impressive.

Obviously I didn't consider them or I would have mentioned them jacques.

I agree with you about Genl Beauregard regarding Petersburg. His defense of the city beginning with the Battle of Old Men and Boys and lasting until Genl Robert E. Lee arrived with the Army of Northern Virginia was quite well done. President Davis and others should have listened to him more often as his plans for using our only advantage, the interior lines, were as brilliantly conceived as his defense of Charleston was executed.

[citdog]

Citdog...was with you til this post. Absolutely not true. Oldest house of Judaic worship in the US is in Rhode Island...Newport to be exact. Charleston's wasn't around for about 80 something years if memory serves me correct...

Now, if you a referring to the Confederate States of America as the "Late United States"...well, I'd guess it would make sense in your world.

Now you can go tell me to go **** my sewer slum self.

Thanks.

The Touro Synagogue was not established until the 1750's while mine, Kahal Kadosh Beth Elohim Synagogue was established In the 1740's and has occupied the same building since 1850.

Gutter trash yankee papist scum

[Smitty]

We should just change the thread name to every day talk and keep this going. Tomorrow it will be on politics and the day after arguing whether or not people in the south can cook bbq...

[South Carolina Duke]

Beauregard and Davis didn't get along any way.

Also, as talented as one thinks he was, obviously most in the Army of Northern Va did not. PGT's role was a subordinate one....always answering and reporting to a Virginian for the most part.

[citdog]

See BTH, that's where you went astray....assuming our resident kike b1tch has any shame at all. And given he is a graduate of citadel, surely he would not fight honorably....it's a school that takes pride in losing a war, fought tooth & nail to not have women in their barracks and lost to WCU the last two years. The mere fact el cid continues to claim they deserve to be a member of the SoCon shows it has no shame....I fully expect them to drop down to the Sunbelt in the next couple of years...

Appa you complete me. Vermont is calling us!

[citdog]

Beauregard and Davis didn't get along any way.

Also, as talented as one thinks he was, obviously most in the Army of Northern Va did not. PGT's role was a subordinate one....always answering and reporting to a Virginian for the most part.

Beauregard's defense of Charleston with less than 10,000 men scattered between the works in and the harbors of Savannah and Charleston was a BRILLIANT Combination of engineering skill and generalship unequaled in our Second War of Independence.

[TheRevSFA]

I am not sure if this photo was posted earlier..but it needed to be. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb...

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/joseph_smith_southpark.jpg http://mimg.ugo.com/201101/3/2/4/171423/cuts/joseph-smith_528_poster.jpg

[South Carolina Duke]

Agreed, however, it still doesn't change the fact that he was a subordinate to Early and Johnston for most of his career.

[Redwyn]

Obviously I didn't consider them or I would have mentioned them jacques.

I agree with you about Genl Beauregard regarding Petersburg. His defense of the city beginning with the Battle of Old Men and Boys and lasting until Genl Robert E. Lee arrived with the Army of Northern Virginia was quite well done. President Davis and others should have listened to him more often as his plans for using our only advantage, the interior lines, were as brilliantly conceived as his defense of Charleston was executed.

Haha, fair enough. (from another tribesman here, btw. First and only time I'll mention faith on the board. Jolly good fun reading the past few pages though!)

I too am a big fan of Judah P. Benjamin. I also admire as a military history major the great feats Beauregard and others performed in keeping the Confederacy together until the end. A pity no one listened to him during Sherman's march to the sea. Joe Johnston was not the mind Albert Sidney was. Have you read McPherson's Battle Cry for Freedom? Impressive volume.

[Dane96]

The Touro Synagogue was not established until the 1750's while mine, Kahal Kadosh Beth Elohim Synagogue was established In the 1740's and has occupied the same building since 1850.

Gutter trash yankee papist scum

Mmmm..nope. Try 1658 for Touro. Building was 1750's.

http://www.tourosynagogue.org/generalinfo.asp

[Redwyn]

Since making the move to the FBS most of those schools have seen or are seeing vast transformations in athletics AND academics.

You don't see that very much in FCS schools or the progression is much slower.

I can't attest to the new FBS programs, but the idea that FCS programs don't progress is total bull. Stony Brook alone has poured millions into its sport programs, built spectacular new facilities, and done a substantial amount to increase its alumni appeal in the past 10 years as an FCS schools. I watch many peer FBS institutions - see many MAC members - stay stagnant or fall back in the same timeframe.

Your statement was far too broad and categorical to hold truth in this respect.

[dgtw]

I've read a lot of message board threads in my time and this is one of them.

[Burn the Horse]

I've read a lot of message board threads in my time and this is one of them.

spoken like a true poet. xbowx

[superman7515]

You obviously don't know anything about the LDS Church. Jesus Christ is more central to anything we talk about in our Church. We just don't put restrictions on God's power to call prophets in the latter days.

How did Jesus Christ come up in anything I said about the Church of the Latter Day Farce? I spoke only of the almight Flying Spaghetti Monster in reference to you. You're right though, I clearly don't know anything about it. Although you clearly don't know anything about other Christian religions as that is an abomination to Mormons. But let's see if I can get a basic gist of it... So while staring into a hat one night after a long day at his day job, which was breaking the law, he was visited by an angel named Moroni (which is strangely close to Moron, a term once used in psychology to denote mild mental retardation, from the Greek word moros meaning "dull"). So Moron tells him that there's some golden plates buried near by with magic glasses that will let him read the golden plates, however, he isn't allowed to get the plates until he brings the right person with him. Fast forward a few years and he still hasn't gotten the golden plates, but he does get arrested for a crime that is pretending to find lost treasure that he himself planted and thereby defrauding land owners. Odd that someone who got arrested for pretending to find something important would later find something important, but hey, that's neither here nor there. So then he meets a woman and elopes with her because her parents think he's a no good POS and refuse to let her marry him. They run off and lo-and-behold she just happens to be the key person needed to go get the gold plates, which is odd considering women are not allowed to be religious figures just as blacks weren't until the 1970's. Wouldn't want those awful awful negroes and women sullying the white man.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7xvFujw1tAE/SbzERru-NFI/AAAAAAAAAgg/h13xcFe5Ai8/s320/trading+places.JPG

Unfortunately, he's not allowed to show anyone in the universe that they actually exist and after his home is ransacked by the criminals he used to work with, he bails out and moves. Thankfully, he still has the plates and a couple of magic rocks that he uses to to read the plates by staring at them in that old hat again since it's written in a language never seen on Earth by anyone before or since. He later switches to using a stone that he had all along, luckily, and that he used to have for helping to find the treasure he planted and that got him arrested for defrauding people. Unfortunately, they lose the original version and he says that Moron has taken away the plates and his ability to translate, but thankfully, it's restored later that summer. He and a buddy, who is also in the habit of fraud and was in the practice of something Martin Luther had said hundreds of years earlier was practicing occultism, get back to telling everyone what is on the plates that no one else can read. They baptize each other, then years later change their story and claim that John the Baptist appeared and made them priests and that's how they were able to do the baptism. Then after getting some friends to say that they had seen the plates, Moron takes them back never to be seen again.

He then wrote another book, Doctrine and Covenants, that contradicted his first writings in several places, much as the Christian bible you deride. Of course, you also deride the Bible for being edited, yet the Book of Mormon has been altered over 4,000 times in its much shorter existence and the Doctrine & Covenants has been altered over 65,000 times, clearly showing its superiority and claim to have been perfectly written the first time. But let's cut to the other highlights of his career, he was beaten unconscious and tarred & feathered before being run out of town, bankrupted after God told him a town was full of treasure and he couldn't find a dime, joined the Methodist Church in violation of his own edicts, left that and joined the Presbyterian Church (again in violation of his own edicts), had dozens of wives Joseph Smith Family Search (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/individual_record.asp?recid=7762167&lds=0®ion=-1®ionfriendly=&frompage=99) several of which signed court affidavits affirming they had sexual relations with him, and eventually died in a prison gunfight while in jail for treason.

Now you clearly know nothing of Pastafarianism (http://www.venganza.org/), otherwise you wouldn't have brought Jesus into this which has nothing to do with it. *****.

[citdog]

Haha, fair enough. (from another tribesman here, btw. First and only time I'll mention faith on the board. Jolly good fun reading the past few pages though!)

I too am a big fan of Judah P. Benjamin. I also admire as a military history major the great feats Beauregard and others performed in keeping the Confederacy together until the end. A pity no one listened to him during Sherman's march to the sea. Joe Johnston was not the mind Albert Sidney was. Have you read McPherson's Battle Cry for Freedom? Impressive volume.

Concentrating all avaliable forces on Cheraw, or Florence, was the correct play against Sherman NOT sending Genl Hood into Tennessee and their EVERLASTING GLORY at Spring Hill and Franklin. The War Criminal sherman could have been defeated in detail and the Great Tyrant DENIED another term of his bloodthirsty and UNHOLY regime.

Mcpherson is good as a general source but I suggest you read the memoirs of the participants. Start with Genl Edward Porter Alexander, which Mcpherson edited, or the Regimental Histories if you want to go that far into depth. Genl Beauregard's are in two volumes and among the best of their kind in history.

[citdog]

How did Jesus Christ come up in anything I said about the Church of the Latter Day Farce? I spoke only of the almight Flying Spaghetti Monster in reference to you. You're right though, I clearly don't know anything about it. Although you clearly don't know anything about other Christian religions as that is an abomination to Mormons. But let's see if I can get a basic gist of it... So while staring into a hat one night after a long day at his day job, which was breaking the law, he was visited by an angel named Moroni (which is strangely close to Moron, a term once used in psychology to denote mild mental retardation, from the Greek word moros meaning "dull"). So Moron tells him that there's some golden plates buried near by with magic glasses that will let him read the golden plates, however, he isn't allowed to get the plates until he brings the right person with him. Fast forward a few years and he still hasn't gotten the golden plates, but he does get arrested for a crime that is pretending to find lost treasure that he himself planted and thereby defrauding land owners. Odd that someone who got arrested for pretending to find something important would later find something important, but hey, that's neither here nor there. So then he meets a woman and elopes with her because her parents think he's a no good POS and refuse to let her marry him. They run off and lo-and-behold she just happens to be the key person needed to go get the gold plates, which is odd considering women are not allowed to be religious figures just as blacks weren't until the 1970's. Wouldn't want those awful awful negroes and women sullying the white man.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7xvFujw1tAE/SbzERru-NFI/AAAAAAAAAgg/h13xcFe5Ai8/s320/trading+places.JPG

Unfortunately, he's not allowed to show anyone in the universe that they actually exist and after his home is ransacked by the criminals he used to work with, he bails out and moves. Thankfully, he still has the plates and a couple of magic rocks that he uses to to read the plates by staring at them in that old hat again since it's written in a language never seen on Earth by anyone before or since. He later switches to using a stone that he had all along, luckily, and that he used to have for helping to find the treasure he planted and that got him arrested for defrauding people. Unfortunately, they lose the original version and he says that Moron has taken away the plates and his ability to translate, but thankfully, it's restored later that summer. He and a buddy, who is also in the habit of fraud and was in the practice of something Martin Luther had said hundreds of years earlier was practicing occultism, get back to telling everyone what is on the plates that no one else can read. They baptize each other, then years later change their story and claim that John the Baptist appeared and made them priests and that's how they were able to do the baptism. Then after getting some friends to say that they had seen the plates, Moron takes them back never to be seen again.

He then wrote another book, Doctrine and Covenants, that contradicted his first writings in several places, much as the Christian bible you deride. Of course, you also deride the Bible for being edited, yet the Book of Mormon has been altered over 4,000 times in its much shorter existence and the Doctrine & Covenants has been altered over 65,000 times, clearly showing its superiority and claim to have been perfectly written the first time. But let's cut to the other highlights of his career, he was beaten unconscious and tarred & feathered before being run out of town, bankrupted after God told him a town was full of treasure and he couldn't find a dime, joined the Methodist Church in violation of his own edicts, left that and joined the Presbyterian Church (again in violation of his own edicts), had dozens of wives Joseph Smith Family Search (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/individual_record.asp?recid=7762167&lds=0®ion=-1®ionfriendly=&frompage=99) several of which signed court affidavits affirming they had sexual relations with him, and eventually died in a prison gunfight while in jail for treason.

Now you clearly know nothing of Pastafarianism (http://www.venganza.org/), otherwise you wouldn't have brought Jesus into this which has nothing to do with it. *****.

that was john cougar mellencamp "hurts so good" AWESOME!

[citdog]

Mmmm..nope. Try 1658 for Touro. Building was 1750's.

http://www.tourosynagogue.org/generalinfo.asp

I welcome this debate with you because it calls into question what the definition of oldest is. NEVER forget that it was a Jew who helped us ALL to learn the definition of IS.

[TheRevSFA]

that was john cougar mellencamp "hurts so good" AWESOME!
Agree. Wow.

[msusig]

Sorry, Cowboy. Troy would bang you like a drum because McNeese does not have a coach that is as good as Larry Blakeney, nor does McNeese score the talent that Troy is able to get every year. I expect your bias because you are a McNeese fan, but as a fan of neither school, I can tell you that based on more than just 83 vs 68 scholarships that Troy would take McNeese State to the woodshed based on the talent of both schools over the past few years.

Troy couldn't even beat ULM last season, lost to a 4-8 UAB team, and barely beat a 2-7 Bowling Green team. Keep thinking those extra scholarships would help Troy against McNeese.

[Burn the Horse]

Troy couldn't even beat ULM last season, lost to a 4-8 UAB team, and barely beat a 2-7 Bowling Green team. Keep thinking those extra scholarships would help Troy against McNeese.

we also took OK State down to the wire, won the Conference, and thumped Ohio in the New Orleans Bowl on national television...all with a freshman QB and a depleted defensive secondary. just sayin.

haters gonna hate.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D36P1iWeXNs/Ru7dlCU4AuI/AAAAAAAAAW8/ZnvdimRSKB0/s400/silky_johnson1.jpg

[T-Dog]

How did Jesus Christ come up in anything I said about the Church of the Latter Day Farce? I spoke only of the almight Flying Spaghetti Monster in reference to you. You're right though, I clearly don't know anything about it. Although you clearly don't know anything about other Christian religions as that is an abomination to Mormons. But let's see if I can get a basic gist of it... So while staring into a hat one night after a long day at his day job, which was breaking the law, he was visited by an angel named Moroni (which is strangely close to Moron, a term once used in psychology to denote mild mental retardation, from the Greek word moros meaning "dull"). So Moron tells him that there's some golden plates buried near by with magic glasses that will let him read the golden plates, however, he isn't allowed to get the plates until he brings the right person with him. Fast forward a few years and he still hasn't gotten the golden plates, but he does get arrested for a crime that is pretending to find lost treasure that he himself planted and thereby defrauding land owners. Odd that someone who got arrested for pretending to find something important would later find something important, but hey, that's neither here nor there. So then he meets a woman and elopes with her because her parents think he's a no good POS and refuse to let her marry him. They run off and lo-and-behold she just happens to be the key person needed to go get the gold plates, which is odd considering women are not allowed to be religious figures just as blacks weren't until the 1970's. Wouldn't want those awful awful negroes and women sullying the white man.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7xvFujw1tAE/SbzERru-NFI/AAAAAAAAAgg/h13xcFe5Ai8/s320/trading+places.JPG

Unfortunately, he's not allowed to show anyone in the universe that they actually exist and after his home is ransacked by the criminals he used to work with, he bails out and moves. Thankfully, he still has the plates and a couple of magic rocks that he uses to to read the plates by staring at them in that old hat again since it's written in a language never seen on Earth by anyone before or since. He later switches to using a stone that he had all along, luckily, and that he used to have for helping to find the treasure he planted and that got him arrested for defrauding people. Unfortunately, they lose the original version and he says that Moron has taken away the plates and his ability to translate, but thankfully, it's restored later that summer. He and a buddy, who is also in the habit of fraud and was in the practice of something Martin Luther had said hundreds of years earlier was practicing occultism, get back to telling everyone what is on the plates that no one else can read. They baptize each other, then years later change their story and claim that John the Baptist appeared and made them priests and that's how they were able to do the baptism. Then after getting some friends to say that they had seen the plates, Moron takes them back never to be seen again.

He then wrote another book, Doctrine and Covenants, that contradicted his first writings in several places, much as the Christian bible you deride. Of course, you also deride the Bible for being edited, yet the Book of Mormon has been altered over 4,000 times in its much shorter existence and the Doctrine & Covenants has been altered over 65,000 times, clearly showing its superiority and claim to have been perfectly written the first time. But let's cut to the other highlights of his career, he was beaten unconscious and tarred & feathered before being run out of town, bankrupted after God told him a town was full of treasure and he couldn't find a dime, joined the Methodist Church in violation of his own edicts, left that and joined the Presbyterian Church (again in violation of his own edicts), had dozens of wives Joseph Smith Family Search (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/individual_record.asp?recid=7762167&lds=0®ion=-1®ionfriendly=&frompage=99) several of which signed court affidavits affirming they had sexual relations with him, and eventually died in a prison gunfight while in jail for treason.

Now you clearly know nothing of Pastafarianism (http://www.venganza.org/), otherwise you wouldn't have brought Jesus into this which has nothing to do with it. *****.

http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/2/23/Clap.gif

[McNeese75]

Sorry, Cowboy. Troy would bang you like a drum because McNeese does not have a coach that is as good as Larry Blakeney, nor does McNeese score the talent that Troy is able to get every year. I expect your bias because you are a McNeese fan, but as a fan of neither school, I can tell you that based on more than just 83 vs 68 scholarships that Troy would take McNeese State to the woodshed based on the talent of both schools over the past few years.

OH so now you know about our coach and that he is inferior to Larry whatever, lol, sorry I think we will agree to disagree here. I am of course biased regarding my team (just as you obviously are regarding the SB) but if you think the scholly difference is not the main advantage Troy would have you are delusional. Now if you think a touchdown or two win is taking someone to the woodshed then I would say you may be correct. Now back to the the religious debates

[Burn the Horse]

you guys realize TennesseeBoyintheRockies is a BYU fan...not a fan of any Sun Belt team, right?

[49RFootballNow]

I'd just like to point out that THIS App St to FBS thread was NOT taken off topic by me.

Carry on.

[Burn the Horse]

I blame communism.

[citdog]

I am a walking and talking vinegar based diseased vagina cleansing product.

Well....."To thine ownself be true" INDEED!

[Burn the Horse]

Well....."To thine ownself be true" INDEED!

heeeeey, I didn't say that! you tricky yank devil!

but if WOULD have said it, I would have followed it with..."property of Mrs. Citdog."

[SCPALADIN]

If anyone here is looking for a good book to pass the three weeks before the season starts I'll recommend Under the Banner of Heaven by John Krakauer. It reveals the real history of the Mormon religion, the formation of Utah, as well as the disgusting practices of the FCLDS (see Warren Jeffs and company).
http://www.amazon.com/Under-Banner-Heaven-Story-Violent/dp/1400032806/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312945741&sr=8-1

[Apphole]

I'd just like to point out that THIS App St to FBS thread was NOT taken off topic by me.

Carry on.

No ****, I know one Mormon guy and he goes to UNCC

[Sir William]

I wonder how many "Christians" would believe Paul (Saul of Tarsus) if he lived during the year 2011 and claimed to see angels on the road to Damascus just as mentioned in the New Testament...?

Paul/Saul did not see an angel (or angels) on the road to Damascus. He saw Someone, but it wasn't an angel. Of course, if you actually had checked the true Scriptures, you would have known that little tidbit.

Review Acts 9. Pop quiz for you tomorrow.

Carry on.

[Skjellyfetti]

Troy would bang you like a drum because McNeese does not have a coach that is as good as Larry Blakeney

Larry Blakeney is a proven cheat.

[Burn the Horse]

Larry Blakeney is a proven cheat.

actually, Pay Dye was the cheat. Larry fell on the sword and has sense become an Alabama Sports Hall of Fame Coach thanks to his success at Troy University.

thank you for your interest in Troy Trojan Athletics.

[citdog]

Paul/Saul did not see an angel (or angels) on the road to Damascus. He saw Someone, but it wasn't an angel. Of course, if you actually had checked the true Scriptures, you would have known that little tidbit.

Review Acts 9. Pop quiz for you tomorrow.

Carry on.

Wonder WHO what some call the Old Testament could be about?

[Skjellyfetti]

actually, Pay Dye was the cheat. Larry fell on the sword and has sense become an Alabama Sports Hall of Fame Coach thanks to his success at Troy University.

thank you for your interest in Troy Trojan Athletics.

Actually, Larry Blakeney is on tape making cash payments to Eric Ramsey.

~ 3:00 in this 60 minutes expose:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieX-pNMnwFE



Just keep it down home, 'cuz xlmaox





has sense [sic] become an Alabama Sports Hall of Fame Coach
Pathetic. Same trash has corrupted your school that has corrupted Alabama and Auburn. The whole damn state should be banned from NCAA competition. xsmhx

Pat Dye... who you admit is a cheat is also in the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame. xrolleyesx

[citdog]

heeeeey, I didn't say that! you tricky yank devil!

but if WOULD have said it, I would have followed it with..."property of Mrs. Citdog."

I don't know what offends me MORE the attempted mocking of the non-existent Mrs. Citdog or your calling me a yankee. Both are insults that demand ACTION. Lunch and Cops not included.

[AppMan]

I don't know what offends me MORE the attempted mocking of the non-existent Mrs. Citdog or your calling me a yankee. Both are insults that demand ACTION. Lunch and Cops not included.

This should make you feel better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmQTqsmnr80&feature=related

[Dane96]

If anyone here is looking for a good book to pass the three weeks before the season starts I'll recommend Under the Banner of Heaven by John Krakauer. It reveals the real history of the Mormon religion, the formation of Utah, as well as the disgusting practices of the FCLDS (see Warren Jeffs and company).
http://www.amazon.com/Under-Banner-Heaven-Story-Violent/dp/1400032806/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312945741&sr=8-1

Awesome book.

[citdog]

This should make you feel better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmQTqsmnr80&feature=related

Yahweh could have taken me right then and I would have died a VERY happy 16 year old boy. The players coming to the corner of the endzone while the band played DIXIE was one of the great moments of my life.

38-35

[msusig]

we also took OK State down to the wire, won the Conference, and thumped Ohio in the New Orleans Bowl on national television...all with a freshman QB and a depleted defensive secondary. just sayin.

haters gonna hate.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D36P1iWeXNs/Ru7dlCU4AuI/AAAAAAAAAW8/ZnvdimRSKB0/s400/silky_johnson1.jpg

Are you really bragging about beating Ohio? Did you even look at their schedule? I'll give you the Oklahoma St game, but winning the Sun Belt isn't exactly impressive either. Only two Sun Belt members had a winning record in 2010.

[seantaylor]

Citdog gets two holed at his Klavern meetings weekly. Of course, they are good, confederate boys doing the two holing, so no harm, no foul.

[citdog]

Citdog gets two holed at his Klavern meetings weekly. Of course, they are good, confederate boys doing the two holing, so no harm, no foul.

Taylor is OBSESSED with dudes getting dbacked. He really should just come out of the closet because if you're FCS it's like the Ramones say.........

Gabba Gabba
We accept you!
We accept you!
ONE OF US!

It must have been hard to grow up a gay homosexual in Georgia. Mad respect sean......MAD respect.

[Smitty]

Well this just goes to show you that debating about religion is more entertaining than listening to App's committee give no information

[PaladinFan]

Well this just goes to show you that debating about religion is more entertaining than listening to App's committee give no information

You can put "watching paint dry" on the list as well.

[appfan2008]

You can put "watching paint dry" on the list as well.

I agree...

[klak]

This is one of the best threads I have ever read.

[GlassOnion]

Well this just goes to show you that debating about religion is more entertaining than listening to App's committee give no information

This. Give it a solid date, or dont say anything at all.

[Burn the Horse]

Actually, Larry Blakeney is on tape making cash payments to Eric Ramsey.

~ 3:00 in this 60 minutes expose:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieX-pNMnwFE


xlmaox





Pathetic. Same trash has corrupted your school that has corrupted Alabama and Auburn. The whole damn state should be banned from NCAA competition. xsmhx

Pat Dye... who you admit is a cheat is also in the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame. xrolleyesx

If you think that an assistant coach had the ability to pay that kid all by his lonesome without the direction and funding of the head coach, then your opinions from here on out are suspect. Larry did what he was told. Was it right? no. Was he the man behind the scam? nope.

Since that stain on his career he has gone on to become one of the most beloved and respected coaches in all of FBS football. you go out there and find a quote from another head coach who has ever known him and report back when you find something negative. I'll wait.

btw, I know the man on a personal level. he runs a tight ship and is known for his clean program at Troy. he has taken several "second chance" players and been able to help them grow up and become men. most of the people who insult him with this old news are fans looking to discredit him in some way. I have NEVER heard someone who actually knows him or what he's done with the Trojans say anything but positive things about him. He is an outstanding Christian man who cares about his players.

[TheRevSFA]

BTH you had me until you said he was an outstanding Christian.

There have been very outstanding Christian by appearance who turned out to be complete jerkoffs and cheating people.

[Burn the Horse]

BTH you had me until you said he was an outstanding Christian.

There have been very outstanding Christian by appearance who turned out to be complete jerkoffs and cheating people.

sure, but Larry isn't a jerkoff. he's a real great guy. if you knew him you'd agree. don't see how that statement turned ya off to the rest of my points.

[Skjellyfetti]

If you think that an assistant coach had the ability to pay that kid all by his lonesome without the direction and funding of the head coach, then your opinions from here on out are suspect. Larry did what he was told. Was it right? no. Was he the man behind the scam? nope.

Since that stain on his career he has gone on to become one of the most beloved and respected coaches in all of FBS football. you go out there and find a quote from another head coach who has ever known him and report back when you find something negative. I'll wait.

btw, I know the man on a personal level. he runs a tight ship and is known for his clean program at Troy. he has taken several "second chance" players and been able to help them grow up and become men. most of the people who insult him with this old news are fans looking to discredit him in some way. I have NEVER heard someone who actually knows him or what he's done with the Trojans say anything but positive things about him. He is an outstanding Christian man who cares about his players.

I didn't say he did it all by his lonesome.

You previously said he "fell on the sword." Which is utter bull****.

He is a proven cheat... and the only state he would ever find a job coaching college football is the state of Alabama.... the most crooked state in college athletics.

Y'all may have forgotten/forgiven his past transgressions down there in Troy. But, imo, a coach that pays players should NEVER be allowed to coach another team. And, any team that hires one is trash. Plain and simple.

"Just keep it down home, 'cuz." xsmhx

[Burn the Horse]

well we can just agree to disagree. you concentrate all your energy on that past transgression (of which I am not defending) and I will concentrate on the fact that he never did anything of the sort since. In fact, he has never done ANYTHING illegal or crooked since.

Larry did in fact fall on the sword. he was fired and pinned with all the heat while the rest of the coaching staff continued on, despite the fact that he could have in no way done that on his own.

[Skjellyfetti]

well we can just agree to disagree. you concentrate all your energy on that past transgression (of which I am not defending) and I will concentrate on the fact that he never did anything of the sort since. In fact, he has never done ANYTHING illegal or crooked since.

People said the same thing about Tressel until recently.

[Burn the Horse]

People said the same thing about Tressel until recently.

So what is your vested interest in this whole discussion? is there a reason you are attacking the man's character? he may have made a mistake a couple decades ago, but apparently learned a lesson and has been one of the most upstanding and honest coaches in college football since.

seems kind of petty and pointless for you to be going on and on about it now, especially since your team doesn't even plays his, and you've never met the man. xthumbsdownx

i'm still waiting on that college football coach quote.

[boonegoon]

How did Jesus Christ come up in anything I said about the Church of the Latter Day Farce? I spoke only of the almight Flying Spaghetti Monster in reference to you. You're right though, I clearly don't know anything about it. Although you clearly don't know anything about other Christian religions as that is an abomination to Mormons. But let's see if I can get a basic gist of it... So while staring into a hat one night after a long day at his day job, which was breaking the law, he was visited by an angel named Moroni (which is strangely close to Moron, a term once used in psychology to denote mild mental retardation, from the Greek word moros meaning "dull"). So Moron tells him that there's some golden plates buried near by with magic glasses that will let him read the golden plates, however, he isn't allowed to get the plates until he brings the right person with him. Fast forward a few years and he still hasn't gotten the golden plates, but he does get arrested for a crime that is pretending to find lost treasure that he himself planted and thereby defrauding land owners. Odd that someone who got arrested for pretending to find something important would later find something important, but hey, that's neither here nor there. So then he meets a woman and elopes with her because her parents think he's a no good POS and refuse to let her marry him. They run off and lo-and-behold she just happens to be the key person needed to go get the gold plates, which is odd considering women are not allowed to be religious figures just as blacks weren't until the 1970's. Wouldn't want those awful awful negroes and women sullying the white man.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7xvFujw1tAE/SbzERru-NFI/AAAAAAAAAgg/h13xcFe5Ai8/s320/trading+places.JPG

Unfortunately, he's not allowed to show anyone in the universe that they actually exist and after his home is ransacked by the criminals he used to work with, he bails out and moves. Thankfully, he still has the plates and a couple of magic rocks that he uses to to read the plates by staring at them in that old hat again since it's written in a language never seen on Earth by anyone before or since. He later switches to using a stone that he had all along, luckily, and that he used to have for helping to find the treasure he planted and that got him arrested for defrauding people. Unfortunately, they lose the original version and he says that Moron has taken away the plates and his ability to translate, but thankfully, it's restored later that summer. He and a buddy, who is also in the habit of fraud and was in the practice of something Martin Luther had said hundreds of years earlier was practicing occultism, get back to telling everyone what is on the plates that no one else can read. They baptize each other, then years later change their story and claim that John the Baptist appeared and made them priests and that's how they were able to do the baptism. Then after getting some friends to say that they had seen the plates, Moron takes them back never to be seen again.

He then wrote another book, Doctrine and Covenants, that contradicted his first writings in several places, much as the Christian bible you deride. Of course, you also deride the Bible for being edited, yet the Book of Mormon has been altered over 4,000 times in its much shorter existence and the Doctrine & Covenants has been altered over 65,000 times, clearly showing its superiority and claim to have been perfectly written the first time. But let's cut to the other highlights of his career, he was beaten unconscious and tarred & feathered before being run out of town, bankrupted after God told him a town was full of treasure and he couldn't find a dime, joined the Methodist Church in violation of his own edicts, left that and joined the Presbyterian Church (again in violation of his own edicts), had dozens of wives Joseph Smith Family Search (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/individual_record.asp?recid=7762167&lds=0®ion=-1®ionfriendly=&frompage=99) several of which signed court affidavits affirming they had sexual relations with him, and eventually died in a prison gunfight while in jail for treason.

Now you clearly know nothing of Pastafarianism (http://www.venganza.org/), otherwise you wouldn't have brought Jesus into this which has nothing to do with it. *****.

This story always always gets me. In fact, I have been fascinated by the Mormon Church for some time now. In general, it has turned me off from organized religion due to the shear lunacy of it. The fact that all of this took place in "modern" times yet there are more documented sightings of Bigfoot that there are recordings in newspapers of Moroni and the Golden Tablets is rather odd. I still chuckle about the Nephites and the Lamonites. They had wheels and cities here, yet nary an archeological fact or anything. I can walk out my door and find a 500 year old arrowhead but cahn't seem to find a great city. Interesting. As a side note, this is the main reason why I think Glen Beck is a sham. He chose this as an adult.

[Skjellyfetti]

I dislike cheaters. What can I say?

If Appalachian State hired a head coach that had been caught on tape paying players... I would never go to another football game or give one dollar to the athletics department the rest of his tenure. That's the only situation I could ever see myself severing myself with Appalachian.

I can't fathom the reasoning behind hiring cheating coaches. I guess wanting to win supersedes everything else for some. :(

[Burn the Horse]

well you are entitled to your opinions Skjellyfetti, but a faceless poster on the FCS message board carries a lot less weight than those in position to hire coaches and induct them in to Hall of Fame status. If you don't like him that's fine, your program isn't lucky enough to have him so you don't have to worry about it. but your opinions on this issue don't mean anything in the real world, so they are harmless.

we have enjoyed having Coach Larry Blakeney as our man for the past two decades. he has run a clean and prosperous program for us and been a positive face for the program. You keep your coach and we'll keep ours.

thank you for your interest in Troy Trojan Football.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Sorry, Cowboy. Troy would bang you like a drum because McNeese does not have a coach that is as good as Larry Blakeney, nor does McNeese score the talent that Troy is able to get every year. I expect your bias because you are a McNeese fan, but as a fan of neither school, I can tell you that based on more than just 83 vs 68 scholarships that Troy would take McNeese State to the woodshed based on the talent of both schools over the past few years.

Just for the record, I have nothing against the Sun Belt and think programs like Troy and MTSU made the right choice in moving up.

But the Sun Belt folks that look down their noses at the FCS (I know your team isn't in the SBC but you are doing the same thing that they are doing) are in dire need of a reality check. The Sun Belt has a losing record against a second-rate FCS conference (the SLC) that hasn't won a playoff game since 2004. The last time a SBC played one of the better SLC teams was when McNeese thumped a middle-of-the-pack ULL team. That same McNeese team was also thumped at home in the first round of the playoffs.

Also, are you not aware that FCS teams can split scholarships? Look at the number of players McNeese has on their roster. I'm sure it's a lot more than 63, and probably isn't much lower than what Troy has.

[Burn the Horse]

Just for the record, I have nothing against the Sun Belt and think programs like Troy and MTSU made the right choice in moving up.

But the Sun Belt folks that look down their noses at the FCS (I know your team isn't in the SBC but you are doing the same thing that they are doing) are in dire need of a reality check. The Sun Belt has a losing record against a second-rate FCS conference (the SLC) that hasn't won a playoff game since 2004. The last time a SBC played one of the better SLC teams was when McNeese thumped a middle-of-the-pack ULL team. That same McNeese team was also thumped at home in the first round of the playoffs.


It's pretty funny to read comments like this, because Sun Belt fans say similar things to the fans of the AQ leagues.

I do appreciate your complimentary comments about my program. thank you.

[Rob Iola]

well you are entitled to your opinions Skjellyfetti, but a faceless poster on the FCS message board carries a lot less weight than those in position to hire coaches and induct them in to Hall of Fame status. If you don't like him that's fine, your program isn't lucky enough to have him so you don't have to worry about it. but your opinions on this issue don't mean anything in the real world, so they are harmless.

...

Um, have you seen his avatar over on FCS? It's hardly faceless...

[asumike83]

well you are entitled to your opinions Skjellyfetti, but a faceless poster on the FCS message board carries a lot less weight than those in position to hire coaches and induct them in to Hall of Fame status. If you don't like him that's fine, your program isn't lucky enough to have him so you don't have to worry about it. but your opinions on this issue don't mean anything in the real world, so they are harmless.

we have enjoyed having Coach Larry Blakeney as our man for the past two decades. he has run a clean and prosperous program for us and been a positive face for the program. You keep your coach and we'll keep ours.

thank you for your interest in Troy Trojan Football.

First off, I have no vested interest in Larry Blakeney or Troy, but this is my $.02. Some people believe in giving a coach a second chance like Troy did, and it has worked out well for y'all to this point. Others think that it is too big a risk to the University's reputation to hire somebody with any dirt on them, and I can understand that point as well. To me, it would all depend on what the offense was, how long ago it was and how they've conducted themselves since.

In reading the earlier posts, I think the use of phrases like he 'fell on the sword' or was 'just following orders' are a bit misleading. To say that he 'fell on the sword' would imply that he took the blame for someone else's misdoings, which was not the case. The hard evidence is there and he willingly did his part. Should others have been punished more for their part? Probably so, but he got what he deserved. The 'following orders' explanation doesn't fly for me either. He wasn't a kid doing what his parents told him or a soldier taking orders from his superior. He was a grown man paid to coach amateur athletes and was 100% aware that what he was doing was wrong. He has kept his nose clean since then and I hope he has continued success in the future, but the heat he takes for his past is to be expected and that's all on him.

[Appaholic]

I welcome this debate with you because it calls into question what the definition of oldest is. NEVER forget that it was a Jew who helped us ALL to learn the definition of IS.

Thanks William J Clinton....

[appfan2008]

Go ASU football!... any info on the committee ;)

[Appaholic]

In reading the earlier posts, I think the use of phrases like he 'fell on the sword' or was 'just following orders' are a bit misleading. To say that he 'fell on the sword' would imply that he took the blame for someone else's misdoings, which was not the case. The hard evidence is there and he willingly did his part. Should others have been punished more for their part? Probably so, but he got what he deserved. The 'following orders' explanation doesn't fly for me either. He wasn't a kid doing what his parents told him or a soldier taking orders from his superior. He was a grown man paid to coach amateur athletes and was 100% aware that what he was doing was wrong. He has kept his nose clean since then and I hope he has continued success in the future, but the heat he takes for his past is to be expected and that's all on him.

Well-stated sir!xsmileyclapx

[Burn the Horse]

haha, well yall can have fun dragging Coach Blakeney's name through the mud all ya want, he has been more successful than any of you have so I doubt he cares.

[citdog]

haha, well yall can have fun dragging Coach Blakeney's name through the mud all ya want, he has been more successful than any of you have so I doubt he cares.

Oswald Pohl was just "following orders" too.

[Mountaineer]

Nanny nanny boo boo!
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9918/hugo82.jpg
I know you are but what am I?!


Fixed. xlolx

[Burn the Horse]

yeah, that's what I meant Mountaneer. LoL.

[Dane96]

haha, well yall can have fun dragging Coach Blakeney's name through the mud all ya want, he has been more successful than any of you have so I doubt he cares.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Holy ****. Douche 4-year old in a playground post of the year.

I'd bet my brand new snowboard and year's salary that "COACH" is a lot less successful than many on this board. That said, everyone's definition of success is different. But really dude...get that stick out of your ***.

[citdog]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Holy ****. Douche 4-year old in a playground post of the year.

I'd bet my brand new snowboard and year's salary that "COACH" is a lot less successful than many on this board. That said, everyone's definition of success is different. But really dude...get that stick out of your ***.

My Dad could beat up your yankee, papist, descended from the sewers of europe, Jewess stealing son having, federalist trash of a Dad ANYTIME

[Burn the Horse]

hey, you guys were going on and on about him I just thought I'd mention the fact. he IS a hall of fame coach, so no matter what yall say that fact remains.

anyone here a hall of fame ANYTHING? if so I honestly would like to know, because that would be cool. if not, you have little ground to judge the man like some of you have been doing. it's easy to sit behind a keyboard and rail on a guy you've never met and have little insight in to.

I don't get the constant aggression and negativity some folks here throw at anything FBS. it's just as ridiculous as anything I've come up with to date. I can understand liking your level over the level your team doesn't play at, but some of you guys are just relentless with the hate.

[Skjellyfetti]

he IS a hall of fame coach, so no matter what yall say that fact remains.

So is Pat Dye.

Who you called a cheat earlier in the thread.

WHY ARE YOU DRAGGING THAT MAN'S NAME THROUGH THE MUD?!!?

[Burn the Horse]

i simply pointed out that Larry did not have the authority to make the decision to pay a kid, which is true.

[Burn the Horse]

why are we even discussing this? I am not going to bag on my program's coach after all he has done for Troy. he made one mistake over two decades ago and never had another transgression. his mistake was not one he could have made on his own and had to have come down from those above him. no excusing it, but certainly a fact and something all of you are ignoring.

I get the impression you guys are simply attacking him because he coaches at the FBS level and I am in some way associated with him. Since my team is an FBS team I am some kind of defacto "enemy" here with some people, which is nuts. I came here to learn about your level of play, hell I even chose a team to pull for!

the ironic thing is Troy is in the same boat as many of the arguments you hold to. we are looked down on by much of FBS ball for playing at an "inferior level", mainly by the AQ leagues. we want to win just like you want your teams to win and we are fighting for respect just like your programs.

[citdog]

So is Pat Dye.

Who you called a cheat earlier in the thread.

WHY ARE YOU DRAGGING THAT MAN'S NAME THROUGH THE MUD?!!?

That's called the "honeypot" and was nicely executed by lubeboy

[Dane96]

Anyone who posts a pic of Jaime Lee Curtis in a hot pink dress in her prime is not dismissed.

I hear gold is worth a lot these days. Hocking those plates could buy you some sense.

[Burn the Horse]

I hear gold is worth a lot these days. Hocking those plates could buy you some sense.

http://www.treehugger.com/beck-glenn-climate-scientists.jpg

Our sponsor this hour is GoldLine... xlolx

[citdog]

Call me when you're ready to actually stick to topic and talk about sports. Until then, Dane, Superman, and Citidog are all blocked.

Heavenly Father doesn't like this outrageous display of emotion.

Did you have a coke today?

[superman7515]

Call me when you're ready to actually stick to topic and talk about sports. Until then, Dane, Superman, and Citidog are all blocked.

This just in... We have footage of UtahBoyToucher attempting to keep Cit away...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJtzi0VPK10

[citdog]

I'm not turning my nose up to the FCS or looking down on your division. There are a few fans of schools in your division that should not be opening their mouths (like a certain fan from the pathetic Citadel) Certainly Appalachian State, Montana, James Madison, Delaware, Villanova, and several others including McNeese and Georgia Southern in some years could do well in the FBS. Troy just has a really good program that I don't think McNeese State could hang with in most seasons. That's all I'm saying. They probably would beat Louisiana-Lafayette. They are 20-15 against the Ragin' Cajuns overall and 1-0 since after 1986. That doesn't mean McNeese would own the Sun Belt. That doesn't mean that they would beat Troy or even the better half of the teams in the Sun Belt who might struggle to beat a McNeese, but would still manage to beat McNeese.

I do believe that Appalachian will announce their exit from the Football Championship Subdivision sometime within the next two years--maybe even next year.

"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

[Dane96]

Our little Tenny Cry Baby neg repped me.

Awww...would you like a towel. Seriously...8 years...first neg rep. Goes to show who is what here.

Gave you a greenie because, well, you acted the part of a three year old so perfectly--when giving me my neg rep--it was the best i could offer without access to an Academy Award or Oscar.

[Tod]

Thankfully, I read the first sentence of this post and read no more than that. I get it. You are dismissed.

Liar.

[Smitty]

"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

Show us on the doll where he touched you...

[superman7515]

Our little Tenny Cry Baby neg repped me.

Awww...would you like a towel. Seriously...8 years...first neg rep. Goes to show who is what here.

Gave you a greenie because, well, you acted the part of a three year old so perfectly--when giving me my neg rep--it was the best i could offer without access to an Academy Award or Oscar.

After consulting the book of Armaments, I have just the thing for negative Mormon rep...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FVbvfQPv--8/TjA1wKBmYpI/AAAAAAAAD0c/Pl8IBMxWVIQ/s1600/Holy_Hand_Grenade.jpg

And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies negative reppy to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats. And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy negative rep points, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

[Side Judge]

After consulting the book of Armaments, I have just the thing for negative Mormon rep...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FVbvfQPv--8/TjA1wKBmYpI/AAAAAAAAD0c/Pl8IBMxWVIQ/s1600/Holy_Hand_Grenade.jpg

And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies negative reppy to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats. And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy negative rep points, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

Remember the Flacco/Cuff show at Navy in '07, when the Mids showed the Holy Hand Grenade video at halftime?

[superman7515]

Haha. Yes, pretty funny. Even better, remember the final score? Hopefully we see that again in a few weeks.

[appfan2008]

blah blah blah this thread is stupid... I dont think this thread has had any sort of relevance in about a dozen pages... entertaining at times though...

[Smitty]

Well when App came back with absolutely nothing this whole thread was irrelevant...

[Burn the Horse]

anyone seen those siblings who have been on the run? in their new mug shots the one kid looks absolutely insane. wild eyes.

[Dane96]

After consulting the book of Armaments, I have just the thing for negative Mormon rep...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FVbvfQPv--8/TjA1wKBmYpI/AAAAAAAAD0c/Pl8IBMxWVIQ/s1600/Holy_Hand_Grenade.jpg

And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies negative reppy to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats. And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy negative rep points, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

xoutofrepx

[AppAlum2003]

Our little Tenny Cry Baby neg repped me.

Awww...would you like a towel. Seriously...8 years...first neg rep. Goes to show who is what here.

Gave you a greenie because, well, you acted the part of a three year old so perfectly--when giving me my neg rep--it was the best i could offer without access to an Academy Award or Oscar.

First neg rep? You've been doing something wrong then, it appears.

[Smitty]

Where do you go to see your rep? I can never find it...

[Dane96]

First neg rep? You've been doing something wrong then, it appears.

Nah, I just got infractions doled out by the former landlord.

[TheRevSFA]

I didn't realize Mormons could get their temple garments all in a bunch. Apparently I was mistaken

[superman7515]

Where do you go to see your rep? I can never find it...

Click on Private Messages like you're trying to check your mail and then click Settings. On the right hand of the screen you'll see Latest Infractions Received and if you scroll down you'll see Latest Reputation Points Received.

[citdog]

Nah, I just got infractions doled out by the former landlord.

I am pretty sure I've gigged you for not using the THE. You ****ing deserved it too.

Also sherman

[AppAlum2003]

I am pretty sure I've gigged you for not using the THE. You ****ing deserved it too.

Also sherman

Also buttsecks.

[Dane96]

I am pretty sure I've gigged you for not using the THE. You ****ing deserved it too.

Also sherman

Nope...I actually know how to utilize the English language, especially expressing a "particular article." For example, "THE ALBANY GREAT DANES WOULD DOGGYSTYLE THE CITADEL BULLDOGS."

I'm just speaking out loud and all that jazz...you know.

[citdog]

Nope...I actually know how to utilize the English language, especially expressing a "particular article." For example, "THE ALBANY GREAT DANES WOULD DOGGYSTYLE THE CITADEL BULLDOGS."

I'm just speaking out loud and all that jazz...you know.


Your attention to detail is noted and approved of. I may ask my Congress to vote you its thanks when I return to Richmond.

Our schools should meet up sometime.
No lunch.

[Skjellyfetti]

Are BYU players required to wear their magic underwear when they're playing football?

[asumike83]

In hopes of talking about anything besides organized religion, does anybody know what's up with Georgia Southern's FBS feasibility study? I know they were doing one a few years ago but I don't recall hearing a conclusion. Has it been delayed, or did they decide to stay FCS for now? It seems like GSU is always mentioned with us in terms of leaving the SoCon, but I have no idea where their administration stands.

[Skjellyfetti]

In hopes of talking about anything besides organized religion, does anybody know what's up with Georgia Southern's FBS feasibility study? I know they were doing one a few years ago but I don't recall hearing a conclusion. Has it been delayed, or did they decide to stay FCS for now? It seems like GSU is always mentioned with us in terms of leaving the SoCon, but I have no idea where their administration stands.


Here's the meat of it:

This chart suggests that to effectively support the move to FBS, an additional $5.1 million would
need to be generated annually to meet the increased program operating costs; facility capital improvements costs would add an additional $2.3 million. Additional annual funding would be needed
when the arena project is undertaken.
A review of key institutional and market characteristics indicates that Georgia Southern would likely
be at a competitive disadvantage relative to most peer FBS institutions and possible conferences.
Specifically, the Georgia Southern marketplace would be at a disadvantage in terms of Alumni base,
athletic budget, athletic donors, football attendance, market population, age, household EBI and
corporate base relative to most FBS markets analyzed herein.
From a potential conference alignment perspective, the conferences that would likely make the
most sense given Georgia Southern’s institutional and market characteristics would be the Sun Belt
Conference or a new conference made up of a combination of current FCS schools that could make
the move to FBS as well as other selected FBS schools. Approximately 76% of survey respondents
indicated they would support a move to FBS if Georgia Southern were to join Conference USA. Survey
respondents were less interested in supporting a move to the Sun Belt Conference (52%) or a new
conference (50%). Given the substantial differences in various institutional and market characteristics, it is highly unlikely that Georgia Southern could make an effective transition into FBS conferences such as Conference USA, the Atlantic Coast Conference or the Southeastern Conference in the
foreseeable future. In addition, there is likely a cost associated with a change of Conference, but this
cost is unknown at this time.
Conclusion
Georgia Southern University could successfully make the transition from NCAA FCS to FBS from a
competitive athletic perspective. There is much less confidence in the financial capability to meet
the challenge of existing in the high cost and high inflation rate that comes with NCAA FBS. The
risk is considerable and the rewards need to be calculated in some concept other than revenue
generation. The experience of almost all of those institutions that have reclassified is the dramatic
increase in the cost to the institution of intercollegiate athletics. It is not a financial decision to be
made based upon a profit motive. It is a decision that more likely should be based upon the prestige
of being in the “major leagues” and how that will benefit the institution as it contemplates its future
growth and direction.

Lots of good reading here, though:
http://www.georgiasouthern.edu/athleticstudy/pdf/GSUFSreport728.pdf

[citdog]

I give what is deserved. Dane deserved an epic FAIL for his diatribe as did superman and citidog. Again, failing to keep to the topic which was concerning Appalachian State's move to the Football Bowl Subdivision by touting religious bigotry against the LDS Church warrants negative reputation marks. I don't have to read that. But I will let the people that continue to decry and raise calumny against my faith know that I disapprove. I will forgive later, but for now, they have nothing valuable to contribute to the topic and they can pray to Yahweh for forgiveness.


Just call me a kike and get it over with. You'll feel better.

[Skjellyfetti]

Something I just noticed from reading over that -- the study found that Georgia Southern needed to generate $5,100,000 more in revenue to make the move.

2009-2010 revenue:
Georgia Southern: $10,325,261.00
Appalachian State: $$15,865,704.00

$5,540,443 more in revenue... would seem to put us right where we'd need to be, all else equal.

[citdog]

They aren't going anywhere. Sam Baker has made sure of that.

So "tennesseeboyintherockies" if that's your REAL NAME.....

How do you feel about lunch?

Cops?

Rubes?

You're legaleagle in some sort of mormon disguise aren't you?

[The Eagle's Cliff]

Something I just noticed from reading over that -- the study found that Georgia Southern needed to generate $5,100,000 more in revenue to make the move.

2009-2010 revenue:
Georgia Southern: $10,325,261.00
Appalachian State: $$15,865,704.00



$5,540,443 more in revenue... would seem to put us right where we'd need to be, all else equal.

I think, if you read further, the study came up with a $19 million annual budget as a more realistic figure. We just started almost the same kind of fundraising campaign App did 4-5 years ago and we're already seeing favorable results in spite of the worst economy in 80 years.

The question for schools like App, GSU, JMU, Jax St., etc is going to be decided by FBS Conference shuffling. It would appear we and others are doing what we can to make ourselves attractive if/when the time comes.

[Dane96]

I give what is deserved. Dane deserved an epic FAIL for his diatribe as did superman and citidog. Again, failing to keep to the topic which was concerning Appalachian State's move to the Football Bowl Subdivision by touting religious bigotry against the LDS Church warrants negative reputation marks. I don't have to read that. But I will let the people that continue to decry and raise calumny against my faith know that I disapprove. I will forgive later, but for now, they have nothing valuable to contribute to the topic and they can pray to Yahweh for forgiveness.

Show me where I ripped into your religion.

You can't...so **** OFF.

[dgtw]

I'm a Methodist. I feel left out because nobody has ever persecuted me for that and nobody ever hated on John Wesley.

[TheRevSFA]

I'm a Methodist. I feel left out because nobody has ever persecuted me for that and nobody ever hated on John Wesley.

John Wesley was a sissy.

Better?

[SCPALADIN]

...and nobody ever hated on John Wesley.

...except for a great many Anglicans, for obvious reasons.

[Skjellyfetti]

I'm glad we were proactive in trying to get our ducks in a row before conference armageddon dawns. Who knows what will happen... but, we'll be ready should an opportunity present itself. xthumbsupx