2011 Missouri Valley Predictions

[Jacked_Rabbit]

In order to get some discussion started for the 2011 MVFC season, I've compiled a list of key returners/departures for each team in the Missouri Valley. I think we are all excited for the season to start, and I know I'm interested in seeing how everyone thinks the conference race will turn out.

This list is based mainly on the 2010 All-MVFC award winners and top statistical leaders in a wide variety of individual stat categories, so I apologize in advance if you feel someone on your team has been left off of my list. Also, I did not include any FBS transfers or injured players from last season, which can often be important pieces of a championship team. If you notice any errors or major exclusions, please message me so I can get things corrected.

Northern Iowa
Key Departures: A. Zlab (OL), J. Thompson (LB), H. Obi (DL), B. Hallgren (K)
Key Returners: T. Rennie (QB), C. Anderson (RB), B. Boothby (DL), LJ Fort (LB), A. Martin (DB), J. Smith, J. Swain (DB), (LB), J. Conley (DB), W. Eilert (DL), A. Martin (DB), K. Bernard (P)

Western Illinois
Key Departures: M. Barr (QB), L. Senatus (WR), M. Lamphear (OL), K. Glazier (LB), B. Kreczmer (LB), C. Jouett (K), C. Fuchs (P), M. Stieren (DL)
Key Returners: C. Ray (RB), B. Flowers (RB), T. Crump (WR), T. West (DB), K. Palermo (LB)

North Dakota St.
Key Departures: J. Mohler (QB), M. Anderson (LB), M. Gratzek (DL), J. Gatlin (DB), J. Prelvitz (P)
Key Returners: DJ McNorton (RB), P. Cornick (OL), R. Jastram (K), P. Evans (LB), C. Willson (LB), B. Jemison (LB), D. Eaves (DB), C. Heagle (DB), C. Boyer (DL), C. Jirik (DL), M. Williams (DB)

Indiana St.
Key Departures: D. Gates (RB), B. Kent (WR), P. Burke (OL),
Key Returners: R. Fouch (QB), J. Hilton (WR), A. Jones (TE), C. Little (K), J. Washington (LB), B. Obaseki (DL), A. Sewall (DB), L. King (DB), L. Carter (DB), C. Burnett (DB), B. Lough (FB)

Illinois St.
Key Departures: EJ Jones (DB), S. Fetzer (P/K)
Key Returners: M. Brown (QB), M. Sanders (WR), T. Walker (WR), C. McCarthy (OL), J. Howe (LB), A. Davis (LB), M. Zimmer (LB), E. Brunner (DL), N. Broome (DL)

South Dakota St.
Key Departures: K. Minett (RB), C. Cochart (TE), R. McKnight (OL), C. Brodie (DB), D. Domino (LB), C. Jeske (DB), D. Priddy (P)
Key Returners: T. O’Brien (QB), T. Kool (RB/WR), K. Harris (K), M. Lien (LB), A. Wise (DB), D. Kool (LB), A. Mink (DL), J. Steffen (DL)

Missouri St.
Key Departures: C. Kirby (QB), D. Arkin (OL), A. Wilkinson (LB), S. Smith (DB), A. Beauchamp (LB), T. Washington (TBD),
Key Returners: C. Douglas (RB), S. Johnston (RB), J. Saffold (WR), J. Chiles (P/K), A. Witmer (K), H. Scarborough (DB), J. Strong (DB)

Southern Illinois
Key Departures: C. Dieker (QB), J. Allaria (WR), S. Franklin (LB), K. Lindsey (DB), K. Dougherty (K), B. Briggs (DB)
Key Returners: B. Boemer (OL), D. Pickard (OL), J. Evans (WR), J. Goode (FB), A. Pucylowski (P), J. Okon (LB), J. DiManche (LB), C. Coda (DL)

Youngstown St.
Key Departures: D. Barnes (WR), B. Coates (OL), B. Ross (DB), S. Blose (K), T. Nicholson (DL)
Key Returners: J. Cook (RB), K. Hess (QB), A. Bellamy (RB), N. Liste (P), J. Sasson (LB), D. D’Alesio (DB), D. Rach (LB), D. Tate (LB)

[darell1976]

North Dakota St.
Key Departures: M. Anderson (LB), M. Gratzek (DL), J. Gatlin (DB), J. Prelvitz (P)
Key Returners: DJ McNorton (RB), J. Mohler (QB), P. Cornick (OL), R. Jastram (K), P. Evans (LB), C. Willson (LB), B. Jemison (LB), D. Eaves (DB), C. Heagle (DB), C. Boyer (DL), C. Jirik (DL), M. Williams (DB)


Mohler transferred to Central Washington.

[Professor Chaos]

I like UNI and NDSU at the top of the conference. I think SIU could contend as well. InSU is a very good team but I don't think they've got a conference title team yet, perhaps a playoff team though. IlSU, SDSU, YSU, and WIU are unknowns for me based on who steps up. I'd bet one of those teams is going to surprise and challenge the upper tier teams. I think MSU will have a down year this year but everone's tied for 1st right now.

1) UNI
2) NDSU
3) SIU
4) InSU
5) IlSU
6) SDSU
7) YSU
8) WIU
9) MSU

[No_Skill]

Mohler transferred to Central Washington.

Not sure he really qualifies as "key". Don't get me wrong, he was a pretty good player at times, but he would have been third string this year.

[Houndawg]

I like UNI and NDSU at the top of the conference. I think SIU could contend as well. InSU is a very good team but I don't think they've got a conference title team yet, perhaps a playoff team though. IlSU, SDSU, YSU, and WIU are unknowns for me based on who steps up. I'd bet one of those teams is going to surprise and challenge the upper tier teams. I think MSU will have a down year this year but everone's tied for 1st right now.

1) UNI
2) NDSU
3) SIU
4) InSU
5) IlSU
6) SDSU
7) YSU
8) WIU
9) MSU

Good starting point. My feeling SIU will contend is based on blind homerism and returning all of our 2 deep o line, including two pre-season AAs, the best blocking FB in FCS, and 8 starters on the MVC's leading total defense. Left off the above list by injury last year, but likely to be a significant contributor, is FS Mike McElroy who was on the Buchanan watch early last season before he went down. Newcomers to watch: NAIA transfer DE Ken Boatright and SS Boo Rodgers.

I see SIU going 8-3/7-4 with the most likely losses being @ Ol' Miss, @UNI, @SDSU. I think this could be the year QB Paul MacIntosh's baptism under fire as a freshman and sophmore pays dividends. He ain't gonna see nobody like W&M's defense in '09.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Good starting point. My feeling SIU will contend is based on blind homerism and returning all of our 2 deep o line, including two pre-season AAs, the best blocking FB in FCS, and 8 starters on the MVC's leading total defense. Left off the above list by injury last year, but likely to be a significant contributor, is FS Mike McElroy who was on the Buchanan watch early last season before he went down. Newcomers to watch: NAIA transfer DE Ken Boatright and SS Boo Rodgers.

I see SIU going 8-3/7-4 with the most likely losses being @ Ol' Miss, @UNI, @SDSU. I think this could be the year QB Paul MacIntosh's baptism under fire as a freshman and sophmore pays dividends. He ain't gonna see nobody like W&M's defense in '09.

If I were buying stock in a team that is undervalued it would be SIU and I would selling NDsU to buy up a whole bunch of SDSU as well.

Not saying I don't think NDSU will be good cuz I think they will but the hype around them is greater amongst some of their fans than the performance was and I think I could get a good deal from them.:)

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Not sure he really qualifies as "key". Don't get me wrong, he was a pretty good player at times, but he would have been third string this year.

When talking college football in general, whether you lose or return your starting QB, the position is so critical to the team's success that I personally considered it a "key" departure or return. This is regardless of how good that particular individual's performance is/was. If I remember correctly, he did rank decently high in a handful of individual statistical categories too. I guess maybe one of them was interceptions though - who knows...

As I mentioned, I tried to be as objective as possible, using only the stat categories and All-MVFC teams.

[FargoBison]

I'd sell SDSU, no team besides WIU has bigger question marks in the Valley. Especially offensively.

Not sure why NDSU fans shouldn't be excited, I mean the team was very young last year and they came on strong at just the right time. All of the key players are back besides a few players and the team did play very well against the two best Big Sky schools last year on the road.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'd sell SDSU, no team besides WIU has bigger question marks in the Valley. Especially offensively.

Not sure why NDSU fans shouldn't be excited, I mean the team was very young last year and they came on strong at just the right time. All of the key players are back besides a few players and the team did play very well against the two best Big Sky schools last year on the road.

I never said they shouldn't be excited FB, I said I'd try and take advantage of it.

[FargoBison]

Sorry, guess I'm just tired of Bison fans being bashed(there is a thread on CS.com that I'm not a fan of that is about a similar topic). Most of the people I've talked to...9-2 is about as optimistic as it gets, many think around 8-3.

That said I do think you are right about SIU, they should be a much better team.

[Gil Dobie]

If I were buying stock in a team that is undervalued it would be SIU and I would selling NDsU to buy up a whole bunch of SDSU as well.

Not saying I don't think NDSU will be good cuz I think they will but the hype around them is greater amongst some of their fans than the performance was and I think I could get a good deal from them.:)

The pollsters aren't buying the NDSU hype that Bisonville has produced which is no different than what Houndawg is selling with SIU a preseason 10-14 ranked team.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The pollsters aren't buying the NDSU hype that Bisonville has produced which is no different than what Houndawg is selling with SIU a preseason 10-14 ranked team.

No, but there seems to be a bigger market for the NDSU stuff...you know...supply/demand sort of thing.xlolx

[Gil Dobie]

No, but there seems to be a bigger market for the NDSU stuff...you know...supply/demand sort of thing.xlolx

I was a regular on egriz in 2003, saw the belly of the beast and it looked very similar to what goes on at Bisonville. ;)

[ValleyChamp]

I think that UNI clearly has the most/best talent returning, and will probably be considered by most to be the favorite. I see SIU and NDSU as the only other two teams that can challenge at the top with UNI.

[Professor Chaos]

No, but there seems to be a bigger market for the NDSU stuff...you know...supply/demand sort of thing.xlolx


I was a regular on egriz in 2003, saw the belly of the beast and it looked very similar to what goes on at Bisonville. ;)

Bison fans will always be overzealous about the football team's chances, that's not exactly the worst thing to have in a fanbase. It's much better than the alternative at least. I'd like to think our coaching staff and players are better than to let that go to their heads, especially with the humbing experience of the 2009 season was still fresh in their minds and the sour taste in their mouth they had to have stepping off the red turf last December.

Having said that I can't pick the Bison to win the conference having not posted a winning record in conference or beating UNI since they joined the MVFC. Being a typical Bison fan, I expect them to win every game they play. Being a realist, which is atypical for many Bison fans, I expect them to lose a couple games in conference but I just hope it's not to UNI (this year) or SDSU (any year).

[Jacked_Rabbit]

However being a realist (which is atypical for many Bison fans) I expect them to lose a couple games in conference but I just hope it's not to UNI (this year) or SDSU (any year).

SDSU's odds of beating NDSU are much higher when the game is played in Brookings, which it is this year. I'm not saying we'll win this game, but I feel the home team has a large advantage in this series. The Fargo Dome and Coughlin-Alumni Stadium are at completely different ends of the spectrum when it comes to venues.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I was a regular on egriz in 2003, saw the belly of the beast and it looked very similar to what goes on at Bisonville. ;)

Indeed you are spot on my man and if you'll recall you didn't know me on there. I saw it the same as you did but it is of course more personal when you are considered to be a part of the mess...so I never was a part of it.

Gil, nothing here is meant as an attack on you as a fan or the NDSU football team. You realize that right?

NDSU is very good and could win that conference...I'd give them a 1 in 4 chance at least but I've seen some Bison dudes that would surely take the Bison against the field and that's who I am referring to when I say I'd make that deal any day of the week.

Making me come clean like this ain't helping me pump up the MVFC thread ya bastard.xlolx

[Gil Dobie]

Indeed you are spot on my man and if you'll recall you didn't know me on there. I saw it the same as you did but it is of course more personal when you are considered to be a part of the mess...so I never was a part of it.

Gil, nothing here is meant as an attack on you as a fan or the NDSU football team. You realize that right?

NDSU is very good and could win that conference...I'd give them a 1 in 4 chance at least but I've seen some Bison dudes that would surely take the Bison against the field and that's who I am referring to when I say I'd make that deal any day of the week.

Making me come clean like this ain't helping me pump up the MVFC thread ya bastard.xlolx

I'm not taking anything as an attack, just doing myh part in keeping the BS flying in one direction or another. ;)

[Professor Chaos]

SDSU's odds of beating NDSU are much higher when the game is played in Brookings, which it is this year. I'm not saying we'll win this game, but I feel the home team has a large advantage in this series. The Fargo Dome and Coughlin-Alumni Stadium are at completely different ends of the spectrum when it comes to venues.

No doubt about that, I just don't like seeing my Bison lose to SDSU... ever xpeacex

I'm sure you feel the same the other way around.

[RabidRabbit]

No doubt about that, I just don't like seeing my Bison lose to SDSU... ever xpeacex

I'm sure you feel the same the other way around.

And SDSU went through an incredibly long time (16 years straight?) when NDSU did that to the Jacks. The difference in scholarships (45 NDSU, 36 SDSU) truly showed up on the field. Also remarkable was the number of times played in Fargo during that period, more like 11 rather than 8.

Now that Jacks and Bison are equal on the schollies, it's interesting how it has balanced out. IIRC, NDSU has yet to win in Brookings during the D-I era.

[Professor Chaos]

And SDSU went through an incredibly long time (16 years straight?) when NDSU did that to the Jacks. The difference in scholarships (45 NDSU, 36 SDSU) truly showed up on the field. Also remarkable was the number of times played in Fargo during that period, more like 11 rather than 8.

Now that Jacks and Bison are equal on the schollies, it's interesting how it has balanced out. IIRC, NDSU has yet to win in Brookings during the D-I era.

I think the rivalry has also intensified a lot since the D1 move and that makes for a much more competitive series regardless of the quality of teams from year to year. Prior to that the UxDs were the primary rivals of the xDSUs and I don't think SDSU/NDSU meant as much to the teams 10 years ago as it does now. It'll be interesting to see the level of interest SDSU will show the NDSU rivalry after the USD rivalry is renewed. I get the feeling NDSU will still be your biggest rivalry game but that's my biased opinion based on not knowing much about the post-D1 relationship between SDSU and USD.

[darell1976]

I think the rivalry has also intensified a lot since the D1 move and that makes for a much more competitive series regardless of the quality of teams from year to year. Prior to that the UxDs were the primary rivals of the xDSUs and I don't think SDSU/NDSU meant as much to the teams 10 years ago as it does now. It'll be interesting to see the level of interest SDSU will show the NDSU rivalry after the USD rivalry is renewed. I get the feeling NDSU will still be your biggest rivalry game but that's my biased opinion based on not knowing much about the post-D1 relationship between SDSU and USD.

I think NDSU/SDSU rivalry will still be as big when USD arrives next season. Good luck in the battle of the SU's. And SDSU...we will see you in 2013.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

I think NDSU/SDSU rivalry will still be as big when USD arrives next season. Good luck in the battle of the SU's. And SDSU...we will see you in 2013.

You are exactly right, Darell. There are many schools across the country that have multiple rivals, and there is nothing wrong with that... To be honest, I think the NDSU vs. USD game will probably mean a lot more to each team now in the MVFC than it did back in the NCC days. And, as silly as it sounds, I think playing for something tangible (the Dakota Marker trophy, in the case of NDSU/SDSU) goes a long way for a rivalry. When you are playing for pride and bragging rights, that's one thing. But, when your opponent runs across the field to take something away from you - rather than shaking your hand - when the final horn sounds, that adds a new dimension to things! You can not only feel the pride or hurt, you can see it being carried out of the stadium.

Now, back to the main topic, the 2011 MVFC. Here are my predicted final standings:

1. UNI - I'll be very suprised if the Panthers don't win this year.
2. NDSU - There are too many pieces coming back to ignore.
3. IlSU - Most undervalued, offensively explosive team in the conference.
4. SIU - Perrenial power should be back in the mix.
5. SDSU - Too many questionmarks, starting with our experienced returning QB.
6. WIU - Major holes to fill with loss of Barr and Glazier.
7. InSU - Most overrated team. Sure, they're better, but how could they be worse.
8. YSU - Program seems to be going the wrong direction.
9. MSU - Toss up for last with YSU, in my opinion.

[Twentysix]

When talking college football in general, whether you lose or return your starting QB, the position is so critical to the team's success that I personally considered it a "key" departure or return. This is regardless of how good that particular individual's performance is/was. If I remember correctly, he did rank decently high in a handful of individual statistical categories too. I guess maybe one of them was interceptions though - who knows...

As I mentioned, I tried to be as objective as possible, using only the stat categories and All-MVFC teams.

Arguably Brock was our starting qb at the end of the year and for about half of it. It's not like we don't return a 2nd year qb.

[Houndawg]

The pollsters aren't buying the NDSU hype that Bisonville has produced which is no different than what Houndawg is selling with SIU a preseason 10-14 ranked team.

xeyebrowx Really? Link?

I have SIU in the 18-22 range.

[Gil Dobie]

xeyebrowx Really? Link?

I have SIU in the 18-22 range.


They did have four conference losses and some mighty ugly wins, too. That said, I'd have them in the 17-22 range, with SIU, and UNI in the 10-14 range....

SIU and UNI in the 10-14 range

[Big Cats]

Northern Iowa
Key Departures: A. Zlab (OL), J. Thompson (LB), H. Obi (DL), B. Hallgren (K)
Key Returners: T. Rennie (QB), C. Anderson (RB), B. Boothby (DL), LJ Fort (LB), A. Martin (DB), J. Smith, J. Swain (DB), (LB), J. Conley (DB), B. Boothby (DL), W. Eilert (DL), A. Martin (DB), K. Bernard


We Panther fans know Boothby's a beast but taking two places on the D-line? That's impressive!!

[TheBisonator]

Indeed you are spot on my man and if you'll recall you didn't know me on there. I saw it the same as you did but it is of course more personal when you are considered to be a part of the mess...so I never was a part of it.

Gil, nothing here is meant as an attack on you as a fan or the NDSU football team. You realize that right?

NDSU is very good and could win that conference...I'd give them a 1 in 4 chance at least but I've seen some Bison dudes that would surely take the Bison against the field and that's who I am referring to when I say I'd make that deal any day of the week.

Making me come clean like this ain't helping me pump up the MVFC thread ya bastard.xlolx

You and I are on the same page, ursus. I'd give the Bison a 1 in 4 chance of winning the MVFC, though I will definitely stop short of predicting them conference champions.

NDSU has a better chance of finishing in the top 3 than out of the top 3, but that's as far as I'll go. I think UNI, SIU and NDSU are the top 3 this year.

[achrist70]

1. UNI- if Rennie makes improvement in the passing game we could run away with the title, but that is a big if
2. NDSU- I am going with the Bison here but going to Carbondale could move them to the 3rd spot, I think they are a more complete team than the Egyptian Dogs, but a playoff team none the less.
3. SIU- This seems like the right place for them, but if they underachieve again is Lennon on the hot seat in C'dale?
4. ISU Red- Indiana State is the trendy pick here but I really think the Redbirds are the more complete team, that just need to but there pieces together.
5. ISU Blue- A program that continues to get better, however I don't see the trees placing any higher than this spot, I could see a few close losses for them.
6. SDSU- A team that could do bigger things but just have too many question marks to really compete for a title in my opinion, I could see them surprise a few teams though.
7. MSU- Another team that has some pieces I just don't know if they will get that puzzle assembled, the real question is where does T.A. end up after the season, assistant in CF?
8. Youngstown- 2nd year coach will go through growing pains
9. WIU- The Leathernecks loose too much I think they will compete, but I think last year was a bit of a fluke.

Offensive POY- Tirrell Rennie
Defensive POY- Ben Boothby
Coach of the Year- Mark Farley
Newcomer of the Year- Jewel Hampton
Freshman of the Year- David Johnson (I will be honest, I do not know much about other teams freshmen)

[BearsCountry]

I have a feeling we will have a new man on the sideline in Springfield come 2012.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You and I are on the same page, ursus. I'd give the Bison a 1 in 4 chance of winning the MVFC, though I will definitely stop short of predicting them conference champions.

NDSU has a better chance of finishing in the top 3 than out of the top 3, but that's as far as I'll go. I think UNI, SIU and NDSU are the top 3 this year.

Yeah and as Jacked pointed out as well the Redbirds may well put it together this year and do some damage also. Things look extremely competitive around the country this year. The MVFC, Big Sky, & Southern are all pretty loaded and a toss up in the top 3 or 4 spots and the CAA is always real interesting so it's gonna be a great year of exciting football and some real "shoulda, coulda, woulda" type moments going into the play offs this year.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Yeah and as Jacked pointed out as well the Redbirds may well put it together this year and do some damage also. Things look extremely competitive around the country this year. The MVFC, Big Sky, & Southern are all pretty loaded and a toss up in the top 3 or 4 spots and the CAA is always real interesting so it's gonna be a great year of exciting football and some real "shoulda, coulda, woulda" type moments going into the play offs this year.

Yup - watch out for those Redbirds... They'll be hanging 40+ on the board frequently, I'm afraid.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yup - watch out for those Redbirds... They'll be hanging 40+ on the board frequently, I'm afraid.

I only watched them in a couple of games last year but the had a couple of real good hard runners and a pretty good Oline it looked like. Is that more of the same this year?

[Houndawg]

SIU and UNI in the 10-14 range

Read it again, Gil, paying proper attention to commas.

Here it is for you: "That said, I'd have them in the 17-22 range, with SIU, and UNI in the 10-14 range."

How's that, Gil, better?

[Gil Dobie]

Read it again, Gil, paying proper attention to commas.

Here it is for you: "That said, I'd have them in the 17-22 range, with SIU, and UNI in the 10-14 range."

How's that, Gil, better?

Yep

[Houndawg]

Yep

Sometimes it helps to read twice.

[clenz]

1. UNI
2-9. Everybody else.

Tough to pick against the defending conference champs who bring back everyone except a TE, FB, and 2/3 linebackers.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

1. UNI
2-9. Everybody else.

Tough to pick against the defending conference champs who bring back everyone except a TE, FB, and 2/3 linebackers.

You can't take the time to predict 2-9, clenz? C'mon man, everyone knows UNI is the favorite. Everything after that is the entertaining part of this discussion.

[ValleyChamp]

You can't take the time to predict 2-9, clenz? C'mon man, everyone knows UNI is the favorite. Everything after that is the entertaining part of this discussion.

Not if you are a UNI fan. xlolx

[UNIFanSince1983]

I am quite worried about this season. We not only have some tough OOC games, but the MVFC looks to be as competitive as ever.

SIU and NDSU appear to be at the top. The fact that we have to go to Fargo, and the fact that we have never beaten Dale Lennon worries me. I have yet to see Rennie prove to me he can throw the ball with out it going to the other team. We did not lose to much so I think we will still be at the top, but I think it is closer than some of the more arrogant UNI fans think.

1. SIU
2. UNI
3. NDSU
4. Illinois St.
5. SDSU
6. MSU
7. Indiana St.
8. WIU
9. YSU

Some of these I really didn't know about and I think could be toss ups. I mean honestly I had no real clue in 4-9...

Should be a great year!!

[ValleyChamp]

I am quite worried about this season. We not only have some tough OOC games, but the MVFC looks to be as competitive as ever.

SIU and NDSU appear to be at the top. The fact that we have to go to Fargo, and the fact that we have never beaten Dale Lennon worries me. I have yet to see Rennie prove to me he can throw the ball with out it going to the other team. We did not lose to much so I think we will still be at the top, but I think it is closer than some of the more arrogant UNI fans think.


At best, UNI runs away with the league. At worst, UNI is still right in the mix near the top with NDSU and SIU.

Rennie was about as bad throwing the ball as a QB could be last year, and UNI was still able to win the league. With the overall talent that UNI has coming back this year, even if Rennie is the exact same player as he was last year, UNI is still be a very tough team. If Rennie has significantly improved throwing the ball, and UNI develops a solid passing game, then we could be a really, really good team.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Maybe I am just being a little more cautious because of how extremely bad we looked in our last two games last year. I thought we were really talented last year too, but we struggled mightily at times. We need to find a way to run the ball in short yardage situations, and Rennie needs to really improve so teams can't load the box against us.

[ValleyChamp]

Maybe I am just being a little more cautious because of how extremely bad we looked in our last two games last year. I thought we were really talented last year too, but we struggled mightily at times. We need to find a way to run the ball in short yardage situations, and Rennie needs to really improve so teams can't load the box against us.

Well you really have to go back and look at the exact circumstances of those two games. (@WIU, and playoffs against Lehigh)

The week before the WIU game, UNI had just clinched the outright league title. That game for WIU was essentially a playoff game for them. They had to win to make the playoffs, and it was senior day against an old rival. They were playing for everything while UNI was playing for playoff posturing. UNI just was not mentally prepared for what it was going to take to compete in that game, and they fell flat on their faces. Some of that can be attributed to how young we were last year too.

Another thing that happened in that game was that Rennie hurt his knee. He missed most of that game, and was significantly hobbled for the Lehigh game, and that really cost UNI because of how much our offense relied on him and him alone last year. That was a large part of our offensive struggles in that game.

I do agree with your cautious optimism though, because if UNI does not make some changes in the offense this upcoming year (successfully throwing the ball, play calling, and not leaning so heavily on Rennie), we will still be good enough to be near the top of the conference, but we will not be near good enough to challenge on a national level.

We were a really young team last year, with a lot of first year players in key positions. UNI, in many ways, over-achieved last year by winning the conf and making the playoffs. We had a lot of flashes of greatness, and a lot of flashes of horrible last year and that is what you will always see with a very young team. If UNI can just show some typical growth from a young team from 1 year to the next, we should be a really tough football team.

[FargoBison]

I'll say whichever QB for NDSU, SIU or UNI develops some consistency throwing the football will win the league. That said, the lack of great QB's in the MVFC really makes things wide open and a team like Illinois State or even Youngstown could surprise.

[ValleyChamp]

I'll say whichever QB for NDSU, SIU or UNI develops some consistency throwing the football will win the league. That said, the lack of great QB's in the MVFC really makes things wide open and a team like Illinois State or even Youngstown could surprise.

I wouldn't say that they are not any great QBs. Most were just young. Ill St and Ind St both have some very good QBs coming back as well.

[achrist70]

I'll say whichever QB for NDSU, SIU or UNI develops some consistency throwing the football will win the league. That said, the lack of great QB's in the MVFC really makes things wide open and a team like Illinois State or even Youngstown could surprise.

I will agree with this Fargo, but I think what will hold those three teams back will be there defense, and that is how the Panthers are going to have to win a majority of their games, we aren't going to win any shootouts.

[clenz]

Maybe I am just being a little more cautious because of how extremely bad we looked in our last two games last year. I thought we were really talented last year too, but we struggled mightily at times. We need to find a way to run the ball in short yardage situations, and Rennie needs to really improve so teams can't load the box against us.

The worst thing you can do is judge last years team translating to this year based on the WIU game. Were you there? If not you didn't see just how little the players actually cared about the game. That was obvious from the second I saw them take the field. They went through warm ups like it was a practice, then called and ran plays like it was a spring game. This is the reason Rennie injured his kinee like he did. That meant Davis had to play - and by that time in the season Davis had already checked out of playing football for UNI, he just hadn't turned in his uniform yet.

The next week was a let down. However, Lehigh deserves all the credit in the world for that game. I've never saw opposing coaches so fired up for a game, and that translated to the players very well. UNI again just looked disinterested.

Last season UNI was breaking in 9 new starters on offense - 5 new offensive lineman (who had 3 career combined starts in the MVFC, and all from one player), a new QB, and all the WR's had experience but not starting experience.

Rennie still had an efficiency rating of 134.9 - which was 4TH BEST in the conference, behind only Brown, Fouch, and Barr. If we look at conference only games Rennie finished SECOND BEST in efficiency, behind only Barr (149 to 171).


The only thing Rennie really needs to change is cutting back on INT's. If he gets more TD's than INT's UNI should be nearly impossible to beat, as that means he is slighly more accurate.


We know what we are going to get from our defense. We also know that UNI will have about a 2.2-2.5/1 run/pass ratio, just like the last decade. So for those who say we didn't pass enough last year, ratio wise we were right where we have been - even when Sanders was here. The only difference was with the fumbles and 4 play drives that lead to TD's we ran a lot less plays. UNI ran 760 offensive plays last season,I can't find 2009 stats quickly so I"m letting it go , in 2008 UNI ran 979, in 2007 UNI ran 938. As you can see, we passed less by looking at straight attempts. If you look at ratio and total plays we were right where we have been.


1. UNI
2-9. Everybody else

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The worst thing you can do is judge last years team translating to this year based on the WIU game. Were you there? If not you didn't see just how little the players actually cared about the game. That was obvious from the second I saw them take the field. They went through warm ups like it was a practice, then called and ran plays like it was a spring game. This is the reason Rennie injured his kinee like he did. That meant Davis had to play - and by that time in the season Davis had already checked out of playing football for UNI, he just hadn't turned in his uniform yet.

The next week was a let down. However, Lehigh deserves all the credit in the world for that game. I've never saw opposing coaches so fired up for a game, and that translated to the players very well. UNI again just looked disinterested.

Last season UNI was breaking in 9 new starters on offense - 5 new offensive lineman (who had 3 career combined starts in the MVFC, and all from one player), a new QB, and all the WR's had experience but not starting experience.

Rennie still had an efficiency rating of 134.9 - which was 4TH BEST in the conference, behind only Brown, Fouch, and Barr. If we look at conference only games Rennie finished SECOND BEST in efficiency, behind only Barr (149 to 171).


The only thing Rennie really needs to change is cutting back on INT's. If he gets more TD's than INT's UNI should be nearly impossible to beat, as that means he is slighly more accurate.


We know what we are going to get from our defense. We also know that UNI will have about a 2.2-2.5/1 run/pass ratio, just like the last decade. So for those who say we didn't pass enough last year, ratio wise we were right where we have been - even when Sanders was here. The only difference was with the fumbles and 4 play drives that lead to TD's we ran a lot less plays. UNI ran 760 offensive plays last season,I can't find 2009 stats quickly so I"m letting it go , in 2008 UNI ran 979, in 2007 UNI ran 938. As you can see, we passed less by looking at straight attempts. If you look at ratio and total plays we were right where we have been.


1. UNI
2-9. Everybody else

Now that's the clenz I know and love. A fella with an opinion about football, and his team and is not afraid to share it. Good work.

[Aeacos]

I would love to think that UNI will run away with the conference and have an easy go but I really don't see that happening unless NDSU and SIU implode. Strong OOC schedule and tough road games make it unlikely but if they survive them the team should make a nice run in the playoffs.

1. UNI - I'm hoping we survive and dominant
2. NDSU - Strong contenders
3. SIU - Always tough
4. SDSU - QB play decides
5. IlSU - Weak D
6. WIU - Running on empty
7. InSU - Improved but going through motions till Bball season
8. YSU - The cube is melting
9. MSU - New coach next year, possible during season

[Redbird Ray]

Excuse me for being late to da party here gents....been too busy watching my ChiSox strand runners in SP the last couple months.

As for da Valley. It's hard to accurately predict a league that was so damn close last year, and has so much returning talent around the league. You guys gotta remember that after UNI and WIU, the rest of the league was deadlocked in mediocrity, and there wasn't a whole helluva lot that seperated NDSU from YSU in the standings.

Regardless, here's how see 2011 shaking out:

1) UNI - Champs until proven otherwise
2) ISUR - Call me a homer, but if our D improves with our new FBS transfers, we're going to be pretty tough to stop.
3) NDSU - Either they were a different team in the playoffs last year, or the Big Sky was just overrated. They bring enough back to contend this year either way.
4) SIU - They'll be good, but ultimately I think they miss Kill still.
5) ISUB - Their QB scares me, but I like the other four teams above as a whole better.
6) SDSU - All I know about SDSU is that they have a great coach.
7) YSU - If they can finish some of those close loss games from last year, they'll win 4-6 games.
8) WIU - Too many holes to fill to contend again.
9) MSU - Suicide schedule early in the year. Could easily start 0-6.

[RabidRabbit]

IMHO, In St should have a break-through season this year. This is the 4th yr of the "new" ex-ISUBlue coach. They lost virtually no one, and return a full team. I could see them being the surprise team of the MoValley. Can the Trees win the conference? Wow, what a history of underperforming to overcome. With two other teams back at full returners (NDSU & UNI) I would expect the Trees to battle for a play-off spot.

[Chuck]

I believe Indiana State is only going to get tougher, just got a big time receiver from Michigan State who is going to be another threat for Fouch. Shakir Bell is the super threat on Indiana State now, Bell is much more talented than Gates was so with him getting the bulk of carries and truly being a punishing runner he fits well in this offense.
On the defense, Indiana State will be much tougher than last year because they are much more experienced and bigger upfront.
I would say a top 3 finish isn't out of the question.

[DJKyR0]

As confident as I am that NDSU will contend for the conference crown this season, the ISUB game has me nervous. Fouch torched our defense in the first half of the game in Fargo, and as we found, that was a defense that did not usually get torched. Hope our defensive line (which lost our main man Gratzek) is ready to pull out the stops and get pressure on the guy before he can carve us up.

[MSUBear42]

9) MSU - Suicide schedule early in the year. Could easily start 0-6.

We could easily start the season 0-11. TA is gone after this year.

This schedule further proves to me that we are whoring out out football team to afford the stadium renovations to move up to FBS.

[Chuck]

@ MSUBear42, why in the world are people spreading rumors that MSU is moving to the C-USA when they can barely afford the MVFC? It comes off assenine.

[ValleyChamp]

This schedule further proves to me that we are whoring out out football team to afford the stadium renovations to move up to FBS.

That does not even make sense.

[MSUDuo]

That does not even make sense.

How does it not make sense? We need to raise money for the east side renovations. We need the east side renovations to one day move up.

I don't think it is going to happen anytime soon, but I do not believe we will be FCS football 10+ years down the road(hopefully)

[mgbison]

Whats the point of whoring out the football team to raise money. If you can't afford fcs, how in the hell is msu gonna afford fbs. Its not gonna do you any good to have a 30000 seat stadium that is empty each week. Plus you have 20 additional scholarships and you'll be paying a mvfc team $250,000 to come down and kick your ***.

I could see some fcs teams moving up to the fbs level and being competitive, but the msu talk is a joke. Msu should try to make the playoffs, be competitive, and expand the stadium when needed. Then worry about fbs. If msu went to the fbs, how many years would it take them to get a win?

[Redbird Ray]

Serious question for the MSU folks here. Is there any real evidence that you guys are in the process of moving up to FBS, aside from that random, possibly groundless tweet from that one bball player?

It seems to me that every time your AD is approached with the issue, that he denies any intent to pursue FBS pretty quickly. Most schools that are in the process of pursuing FBS will at least entertain the notion by saying something like, "We are considering all of our options, and will do what is best for the university" or something like that. I have always heard Moats flat out deny FBS rumors, and he killed the whole CUSA tweet thing within 24 hours or so.

I also remember Moats saying not to long ago that the Oregon and Arkansas games were just financial boosters to pay the struggling athletic department, and that soon most FCS schools will be playing two FBS games a year. I tend to believe this, as we are already seeing several FCS schools doing the FBS double dip this year, and just about all of them are cash-strapped FCS programs with no intention of moving up.

I love to run away with whimsical ideas about ISU's potential for bigger and better things, but it just seems to me that there is very little ground for all of the certainty in which MSU fans declare they will be playing FBS football in a matter of years. Remember, ISUR has a president that said he would ultimately like to see ISUR playing in the Big 12, so we know a little something about getting carried away with expectations.

[Houndawg]

I will agree with this Fargo, but I think what will hold those three teams back will be there defense, and that is how the Panthers are going to have to win a majority of their games, we aren't going to win any shootouts.

I think that SIU's strength will be defense year, seven returning starters from the top ranked defense in the MVC. Our biggest questions are at the skill positions. And, I can say it now, you should have won last year's shootout at SIU. What were your coaches thinking? Three true FR in the defensive backfield and one senior All-American and you throw at Korey Lindsey?xsmhx

[clenz]

I think that SIU's strength will be defense year, seven returning starters from the top ranked defense in the MVC. Our biggest questions are at the skill positions. And, I can say it now, you should have won last year's shootout at SIU. What were your coaches thinking? Three true FR in the defensive backfield and one senior All-American and you throw at Korey Lindsey?xsmhx
That was our play calling all of last season, not just the SIU game.

[MSUBear42]

Serious question for the MSU folks here. Is there any real evidence that you guys are in the process of moving up to FBS, aside from that random, possibly groundless tweet from that one bball player?

It seems to me that every time your AD is approached with the issue, that he denies any intent to pursue FBS pretty quickly. Most schools that are in the process of pursuing FBS will at least entertain the notion by saying something like, "We are considering all of our options, and will do what is best for the university" or something like that. I have always heard Moats flat out deny FBS rumors, and he killed the whole CUSA tweet thing within 24 hours or so.

I also remember Moats saying not to long ago that the Oregon and Arkansas games were just financial boosters to pay the struggling athletic department, and that soon most FCS schools will be playing two FBS games a year. I tend to believe this, as we are already seeing several FCS schools doing the FBS double dip this year, and just about all of them are cash-strapped FCS programs with no intention of moving up.

I love to run away with whimsical ideas about ISU's potential for bigger and better things, but it just seems to me that there is very little ground for all of the certainty in which MSU fans declare they will be playing FBS football in a matter of years. Remember, ISUR has a president that said he would ultimately like to see ISUR playing in the Big 12, so we know a little something about getting carried away with expectations.

It didn't even start with the basketball player. Football players had been talking about 5-6 hours before the basketball player tweeted anything. For all this smoke, there is a fire, I can guarantee it.

And no one ever said a couple of years, people close to the situation said 5-6 years. The unofficial goal I've always heard is "FBS by 2020"

[TheBisonator]

It didn't even start with the basketball player. Football players had been talking about 5-6 hours before the basketball player tweeted anything. For all this smoke, there is a fire, I can guarantee it.

And no one ever said a couple of years, people close to the situation said 5-6 years. The unofficial goal I've always heard is "FBS by 2020"

Heck, that's bascially what it is at NDSU too. (FBS by 2020) People are talking about it a lot. Though we understand that it will take some time for the process to happen.

Perhaps the entire MVFC could move up as a conference to FBS, with maybe the MVC for all sports extending invites to NDSU/SDSU and possibly USD/WIU??

[MSUBear42]

Heck, that's bascially what it is at NDSU too. (FBS by 2020) People are talking about it a lot. Though we understand that it will take some time for the process to happen.

Perhaps the entire MVFC could move up as a conference to FBS, with maybe the MVC for all sports extending invites to NDSU/SDSU and possibly USD/WIU??
Heck, the MVFC could/would be better than the WAC or MAC as it is, let alone if all schools committed the resources to moving up.

[NDB]

NDSU is not going anywhere.

We are very happy in FCS and the MVFC.

[BearsCountry]

@ MSUBear42, why in the world are people spreading rumors that MSU is moving to the C-USA when they can barely afford the MVFC? It comes off assenine.

Barely afford MVFC? WTH are you talking about our football budget is fine for the MVFC.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I am not sure he understands what asinine means...

MSU is really the one team from our conference I could see moving up to FBS right now. Nothing has to do with their success it is all about resources. They seem to have the right resources or the right people to tap to get those resources. Like the Bears fans said I don't see it happening soon, but I do see it happening at some point.

[Redbird Ray]

MSU, ISUR, SIU and WSU (if they ever brought football back) are the four MVC schools I could see potentially playing FBS football someday. All four schools have large enrollments, and all four have the university profile of a MAC/WAC/CUSA kind of school.

What MSU currently lacks in fan support and on-field success, they make up for by having their own T. Boone Pickens, a growing university in a reasonably sized metro, and by having Mizzou as the only real FBS competition in the state. With MSU being a Masters university, they are probably more suited for the Sun Belt/WAC than CUSA, but they could definitely make the move if the $$$ was there to make it happen.

I would argue ISUR is in a similar position to MSU, but we don't really have the heavy hitter athletic donors just yet. We do have a university that continues to make its way up the national rankings lists, and an administration that would like to ultimately pursue FBS. We also have really hot coeds.

SIU has many of these same tangibles, but also has some concerns with declining enrollment and a limited direct market in southern Illinois. Though, SIU does have a pretty large and loyal alumni base throughout the state.

If WSU ever gets football back, they will either be in FBS in a matter of years, or become a power in FCS. The athletic program and fanbase are too large and successful to tolerate anything less.

NDSU is the one non-MVC member I could see playing FBS ball someday. They have a large and passionate fanbase, and already have a small, but serviceable FBS stadium built.

I don't think any of these options happen for a number of years, and I don't think the MVFC moves up or merges with another FBS conference (though that would be awesome).

[MSUBear42]

When our long time radio voice was asked if the MVC will have all 10 teams 4 years from now, he gave it a 40% chance.

[doolittledog]

Wasn't it just a couple of years ago MSU was talking about going non-scholarship FCS? Now there is talk of MSU going FBS? Was the non-scholarship talk just a way to bring the big donors up to the table???

[MSUBear42]

Wasn't it just a couple of years ago MSU was talking about going non-scholarship FCS? Now there is talk of MSU going FBS? Was the non-scholarship talk just a way to bring the big donors up to the table???

MSU has NEVER talked about going non-scholarship in football. Not sure where you ever heard that?

[BearsCountry]

MSU has NEVER talked about going non-scholarship in football. Not sure where you ever heard that?

The Evil Lady who hates all Men sports Mahoney suggested it an editoral, but that is the only talk by anybody.

[Twentysix]

If anyones going nonscholly its UNI :D

[MSUBear42]

If anyones going nonscholly its UNI :D

But seriously...

Can't they just drop one more sport before dropping to d2?

[ValleyChamp]

But seriously...

Can't they just drop one more sport before dropping to d2?

UNI offers the same # of sports that Missouri State does.

[underdawg]

I have join anygiven today after observing for many years--thought Houndawg needed some back-up for his Saluki posts. I'd say the Dawgs will probably be picked anywhere from 1-3 in the MVC even though they had a 5-6 record in 2010.

As Houndawg noted defense will again be our forte. Including a return of 2010 pre-season AA Mike McElroy, who was the director of the D till he went down for the 2010 season. Pre-season CB starter James McFadden (hurt before he could play one game) returns and add on Central Michigan starting CB transfer LaVarus Williams (5'11" 200) and star frosh Terrell Wilson (6'1" 180).
We've very much upgraded the DE position with 6'3" 250 Eze Obiora (JUCO) and transfer Kenneth Boatright (6'4" 245)
I'D SAY COFFEYVILLE CC BRYAN PRESUME(6' 230) WILL BE ONE OF THE ILB.
As Houndawg says, QB and WR will be somewhat a Question mark although starting QB Paul McIntosh (who was Mr. Indiana Football three years ago) did lead SIU to the second round of the FCS play-offs two years ago.
RB will be a strong point as Coach Dale Lennon said: "We may have more RBs than footballs!" Add on Iowa FBS Jewel Hampton (5'9" 215) who Sporting News Mag named "fcs transfer of the year".

[MSUDuo]

UNI offers the same # of sports that Missouri State does.

Yeah, not sure why MSU fans dog on UNI for having so few sports...This time 2 years ago they had more...

[Houndawg]

I have join anygiven today after observing for many years--thought Houndawg needed some back-up for his Saluki posts. I'd say the Dawgs will probably be picked anywhere from 1-3 in the MVC even though they had a 5-6 record in 2010.

As Houndawg noted defense will again be our forte. Including a return of 2010 pre-season AA Mike McElroy, who was the director of the D till he went down for the 2010 season. Pre-season CB starter James McFadden (hurt before he could play one game) returns and add on Central Michigan starting CB transfer LaVarus Williams (5'11" 200) and star frosh Terrell Wilson (6'1" 180).
We've very much upgraded the DE position with 6'3" 250 Eze Obiora (JUCO) and transfer Kenneth Boatright (6'4" 245)
I'D SAY COFFEYVILLE CC BRYAN PRESUME(6' 230) WILL BE ONE OF THE ILB.
As Houndawg says, QB and WR will be somewhat a Question mark although starting QB Paul McIntosh (who was Mr. Indiana Football three years ago) did lead SIU to the second round of the FCS play-offs two years ago.
RB will be a strong point as Coach Dale Lennon said: "We may have more RBs than footballs!" Add on Iowa FBS Jewel Hampton (5'9" 215) who Sporting News Mag named "fcs transfer of the year".


The biggest positive for me is that DL is continuing to recruit down in LA where Kill found so much speed. I don't think we have the RBs we've had in the past quality-wise, we've got a bunch of them but that could change in a hurry. I'm not expecting anything from Hampton considering his knees, but otoh our entire 2-deep OL is back - I could probably get a few hundred yards myself..

[DJKyR0]

The biggest positive for me is that DL is continuing to recruit down in LA where Kill found so much speed. I don't think we have the RBs we've had in the past quality-wise, we've got a bunch of them but that could change in a hurry. I'm not expecting anything from Hampton considering his knees, but otoh our entire 2-deep OL is back - I could probably get a few hundred yards myself..

Let me preface this by saying that I have SIU in the top half of the conference, but the two-deep OL only means so much. Kansas boasted the same last season, and it didn't do them a lot of good against NDSU, much less in the Big 12. Obviously it's tough to compare the two without taking a more in-depth look at the players themselves, competition past and present, etc. etc., but returning a two-deep OL is only as effective as the battery behind it. That said, wish we could boast the same.

[underdawg]

The biggest positive for me is that DL is continuing to recruit down in LA where Kill found so much speed. I don't think we have the RBs we've had in the past quality-wise, we've got a bunch of them but that could change in a hurry. I'm not expecting anything from Hampton considering his knees, but otoh our entire 2-deep OL is back - I could probably get a few hundred yards myself..


I know it isn't considered Kosher among some Saluki football fans to say this, but it is the rarely mentioned Shariff Harris (6'1' 200) that I'm predicting to have a good season. Truly Stevie Strother (5'9" 180) beats Harris on lateral quickness but in limited carries Harris didn't do badly for his first year (600 plus yds)> I just have this feeling that he will break out for a 1000. I'm not counting on Hampton until I see what he looks like after contact this fall.

I do think we will have a pretty darn good rushing attack as a whole wit h McIntosh also doing his thing--he can occasionally be devastating--like against SDSU two years ago.

[Houndawg]

I know it isn't considered Kosher among some Saluki football fans to say this, but it is the rarely mentioned Shariff Harris (6'1' 200) that I'm predicting to have a good season. Truly Stevie Strother (5'9" 180) beats Harris on lateral quickness but in limited carries Harris didn't do badly for his first year (600 plus yds)> I just have this feeling that he will break out for a 1000. I'm not counting on Hampton until I see what he looks like after contact this fall.

I do think we will have a pretty darn good rushing attack as a whole wit h McIntosh also doing his thing--he can occasionally be devastating--like against SDSU two years ago.

He could have a good year with all that line back, but what I saw last year is a guy who can run where the blocking takes him. If he stops dancing in the hole and starts moving piles, which he can, he could be one of the better backs in the league.

I think McIntosh could be the sleeper this year; plenty of pt the past two seasons and he'll never see another defense like he did against W&M as a freshman

[Houndawg]

Let me preface this by saying that I have SIU in the top half of the conference, but the two-deep OL only means so much. Kansas boasted the same last season, and it didn't do them a lot of good against NDSU, much less in the Big 12. Obviously it's tough to compare the two without taking a more in-depth look at the players themselves, competition past and present, etc. etc., but returning a two-deep OL is only as effective as the battery behind it. That said, wish we could boast the same.

SIU's line had a very good game against NDSU last year, DJ, on both sides of the ball. Dominated the clock and ran over 70 plays vs. less than 60, and they're all back; two are on draft lists. Maybe you wouldn't be optimistic in that scenario, but I am.

[TheBisonator]

SIU's line had a very good game against NDSU last year, DJ, on both sides of the ball. Dominated the clock and ran over 70 plays vs. less than 60, and they're all back; two are on draft lists. Maybe you wouldn't be optimistic in that scenario, but I am.

Right now I see SIU as one of NDSU's 3 losses. Right now I have SIU and pick two of the following three: SDSU, MINN, UNI

Lafayette, SFPA, WIU, ISUR, ISUB, YSU, MoSU I have as wins.

[Tribal]

UNI should win the conference but YSU is my sleeper team.

[Dude101010]

UNI should win the conference but YSU is my sleeper team.

Fun Fact, YSU has added 35 scholarship players. alot of JC and transfers including a CB from Miami fl who transfered in 3 days ago which makes it 36 new scholarship players from last year. This team is vastly more talented then last years team was and with both starting OLB (Michigan transfers) new CB (Miami trasfer) and 2 new safties (Juco players transfers) the Defense will make a dramatic improvement. YSU will have a winning record this season and depending on how much of an improvement on defense they made i could see anywhere from 6-9 wins this season

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Fun Fact, YSU has added 35 scholarship players. alot of JC and transfers including a CB from Miami fl who transfered in 3 days ago which makes it 36 new scholarship players from last year. This team is vastly more talented then last years team was and with both starting OLB (Michigan transfers) new CB (Miami trasfer) and 2 new safties (Juco players transfers) the Defense will make a dramatic improvement. YSU will have a winning record this season and depending on how much of an improvement on defense they made i could see anywhere from 6-9 wins this season


36 new scholly players might take awhile to "gell" into a good, consistent team.....just sayin....

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SIU's line had a very good game against NDSU last year, DJ, on both sides of the ball. Dominated the clock and ran over 70 plays vs. less than 60, and they're all back; two are on draft lists. Maybe you wouldn't be optimistic in that scenario, but I am.


Time of possession in that game was 32 to 28 minutes for SIU.....hardly a domination.

Turnovers and special teams are also part of the game. SIU had 3 fumbles and 1 INT and the Bison had 350 yards in returns. Ya, SIU had more yards and plays but wins usually involve TOs and special teams also.

SIU should be right in the mix but I do not see them winning the MV this year.

[TheBisonator]

Time of possession in that game was 32 to 28 minutes for SIU.....hardly a domination.

Turnovers and special teams are also part of the game. SIU had 3 fumbles and 1 INT and the Bison had 350 yards in returns. Ya, SIU had more yards and plays but wins usually involve TOs and special teams also.

SIU should be right in the mix but I do not see them winning the MV this year.

SIU may fight NDSU for 2nd place, IMO.

[Houndawg]

Time of possession in that game was 32 to 28 minutes for SIU.....hardly a domination.

Turnovers and special teams are also part of the game. SIU had 3 fumbles and 1 INT and the Bison had 350 yards in returns. Ya, SIU had more yards and plays but wins usually involve TOs and special teams also.

SIU should be right in the mix but I do not see them winning the MV this year.

I'm not disputing the outcome, guys - absolutely TOs and special teams are part of the game - and, btw, you had 87 yards in returns including the blocked punt for a TD. Note that in two seasons you've blocked two punts for TDs on us, which is the exact number of TDS your offense has scored in two seasons.....no, I'm not disputing the final score- I'm just saying we didn't get beat because NDSU is more physical, and in fact the stats suggest otherwise. 72 plays vs. 55, 4.5 ypc rushing vs. 3.3 ypc.... it wasn't enough to overcome 4 TOs by the QB and a blown coverage by a freshman DB, but it wasn't the lines fault we lost the game. That's all I'm saying, and that I'm optimistic because they're all back up front and last year's top ranked defense is already better this year. Question marks at the skill positions, but the foundation is there and I believe that the defense will keep us in every game but Ol' Miss.

Edit: We're also 3-0 vs. UNI the past three seasons...

[mgbison]

blown coverage by a freshman DB.

It seems to me the exact same thing happened to NDSU 2 years ago at SIU.

[Houndawg]

blown coverage by a freshman DB.

It seems to me the exact same thing happened to NDSU 2 years ago at SIU.

Yeah but we gave it back when you got a TD off of a punt we blocked, or maybe it was an FG attempt. I guess that is
a TD scored by the offense in a way......

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Yeah but we gave it back when you got a TD off of a punt we blocked, or maybe it was an FG attempt. I guess that is
a TD scored by the offense in a way......


The top 3 defenses in the MV will no doubt be UNI, SIU and NDSU and in what order....who knows.

The biggest ? for the Bison defense will be replacing Gratzek at DT. If someone can step up and fill his shoes this year, the Bison defense will be darn good.


SIU had a good defense last year....saw it first hand in the FargoDome last year....very quick. If the Bison can find a consistent passing game this year, they will be in the hunt for the MV title. Teams will stack the line to stop DJ this year, but the Bison will still pound the ball at every team. If we can establish a passing game that garners some respect I fully expect the Bison to win the MV. But if we struggle in the passing game it could turn out to be another 4-4 conference season again.....xsmhxxsmhx

The SIU/NDSU game in Carbondale should be a good one.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SIU may fight NDSU for 2nd place, IMO.


Ya, no argument from me. With the defense they have coming back they will keep them in every game. SIU has to go to UNI this year and that will be a tough one to win there. They have the Bison at home so we need to take care of business on the road.

NDSU/UNI in the FargoDome will be huge this year. Sitting behind the opponents bench also makes it great!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I don't know about NDSU and the upgrades they will have on the field this year but I have noticed a serious upgrade in the Bison posters that are around here these days.

There are not as many but they do post some good, logical, well thought out stuff. Congrats NDSU fans on that for sure.

[Houndawg]

The top 3 defenses in the MV will no doubt be UNI, SIU and NDSU and in what order....who knows.

The biggest ? for the Bison defense will be replacing Gratzek at DT. If someone can step up and fill his shoes this year, the Bison defense will be darn good.


SIU had a good defense last year....saw it first hand in the FargoDome last year....very quick. If the Bison can find a consistent passing game this year, they will be in the hunt for the MV title. Teams will stack the line to stop DJ this year, but the Bison will still pound the ball at every team. If we can establish a passing game that garners some respect I fully expect the Bison to win the MV. But if we struggle in the passing game it could turn out to be another 4-4 conference season again.....xsmhxxsmhx

The SIU/NDSU game in Carbondale should be a good one.

Let me know if you're going to make it and we'll knock a few back.....

I'm serious when I say that the Bison could be a better team this year and still be 4-4 in conference, as could SIU. I think there will be five teams still contending by the middle of MVC play.

I think everybody is going to play NDSU and UNI the same way - make the QB win the game.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Let me know if you're going to make it and we'll knock a few back.....

I'm serious when I say that the Bison could be a better team this year and still be 4-4 in conference, as could SIU. I think there will be five teams still contending by the middle of MVC play.

I think everybody is going to play NDSU and UNI the same way - make the QB win the game.



Agree

This will be the case for NDSU for sure. Jensen is going to have to prove to teams that he can move the ball with his arm. SIU did it last year in the FD. At times there were all 11 defenders within 3 yds of the line. The Bison have to have some type of consistent passing game to be in mix for the MV title. Our first 2 games will be cake-walks then comes Minnesota-Illinois State - SIU. Gophers will definitely be ready for us this year, esp with Kill as coach.....but I think we can beat them again.....they will have new offensive and defensive schemes to work into. ISU is improved but it should be a win at home. Lennon will have SIU ready for us. So I fully expect us to be 4-0 or at the least 3-1 when we come down there.

One thing I like about our coach (Bohl) and his hybrid west-coast offense is that he wants to run the ball. Teams know this and stack the line. Most of the time we still run it but the last couple of years, with our anemic passing game, it has been frustrating as a fan. Jensen has shown signs that he can get the job done. A year under his belt will definitely be to his advantage this year. I am definitely a homer for my team but if this Bison team can establish a passing game ( 175-250 yds/game ), a run at the NC is a possibility. Now injuries can change this tune in a second but our defense will keep us in games and our running game will be productive. Passing the ball and special teams will be the true indicators for this team.

I saw SIU play 3 times last year. The game against UNI was a good one. If they have consistency on offense that team could be very good. SIU's defense will be a good one, possibly the best in the MV. Even the game down in Oxford won't be a blow-out. Ole Miss will think it will be a cake-walk but that SIU defense will smack them in the face and keep it close. Wouldn't surprise me at all if SIU wins it or at the very least keeps it under 10 pts in a loss.

It is going to be a very interesting year in the MV.


GO BISON

[UNIFanSince1983]

I don't know about NDSU and the upgrades they will have on the field this year but I have noticed a serious upgrade in the Bison posters that are around here these days.

There are not as many but they do post some good, logical, well thought out stuff. Congrats NDSU fans on that for sure.

I agree. The really outlandish fans (two that come to mind I don't want to name) have not shown up yet. I am sure they will, but right now it is nice to get actual conversation from the Bison fans. The ones that are knowledgeable and don't just blindly predict they will be the best team in the Valley. They may predict that, but they have reasons why, and know it won't just be a cakewalk. xthumbsupx

[Twentysix]

I agree. The really outlandish fans (two that come to mind I don't want to name) have not shown up yet. I am sure they will, but right now it is nice to get actual conversation from the Bison fans. The ones that are knowledgeable and don't just blindly predict they will be the best team in the Valley. They may predict that, but they have reasons why, and know it won't just be a cakewalk. xthumbsupx

Our team will start your team on fire with their lazer eyes!!!!

I hope I helped return your world to normalacy.

[Houndawg]

Agree

This will be the case for NDSU for sure. Jensen is going to have to prove to teams that he can move the ball with his arm. SIU did it last year in the FD. At times there were all 11 defenders within 3 yds of the line. The Bison have to have some type of consistent passing game to be in mix for the MV title. Our first 2 games will be cake-walks then comes Minnesota-Illinois State - SIU. Gophers will definitely be ready for us this year, esp with Kill as coach.....but I think we can beat them again.....they will have new offensive and defensive schemes to work into. ISU is improved but it should be a win at home. Lennon will have SIU ready for us. So I fully expect us to be 4-0 or at the least 3-1 when we come down there.

One thing I like about our coach (Bohl) and his hybrid west-coast offense is that he wants to run the ball. Teams know this and stack the line. Most of the time we still run it but the last couple of years, with our anemic passing game, it has been frustrating as a fan. Jensen has shown signs that he can get the job done. A year under his belt will definitely be to his advantage this year. I am definitely a homer for my team but if this Bison team can establish a passing game ( 175-250 yds/game ), a run at the NC is a possibility. Now injuries can change this tune in a second but our defense will keep us in games and our running game will be productive. Passing the ball and special teams will be the true indicators for this team.

I saw SIU play 3 times last year. The game against UNI was a good one. If they have consistency on offense that team could be very good. SIU's defense will be a good one, possibly the best in the MV. Even the game down in Oxford won't be a blow-out. Ole Miss will think it will be a cake-walk but that SIU defense will smack them in the face and keep it close. Wouldn't surprise me at all if SIU wins it or at the very least keeps it under 10 pts in a loss.

It is going to be a very interesting year in the MV.


GO BISON

Transition time is a chance to catch them before they're comfortable and maybe pull it off. Gotta shake my head at the "Coach A only won because he had coach B's players" crowd. It is no small feat to inherit somebody else's recruits, no matter how talented, change systems, and begin winning immediately.

Wish I could agree with you about Ol' Miss, but my take is that they've been hearing about losing to an OVC team all year and they are pissed off and are going to make an example of us.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Transition time is a chance to catch them before they're comfortable and maybe pull it off. Gotta shake my head at the "Coach A only won because he had coach B's players" crowd. It is no small feat to inherit somebody else's recruits, no matter how talented, change systems, and begin winning immediately.

Wish I could agree with you about Ol' Miss, but my take is that they've been hearing about losing to an OVC team all year and they are pissed off and are going to make an example of us.

Yeah this is probably not a good time to catch Ole Miss. Just like being the FCS team that has to play Va Tech this year.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

I think the Huskers will probably take Chatty a little more seriously than they did us last year, too... Minnesota, on the other hand, will probably just lose again! hahaha

[leatherneck177]

I'll say it....not based on Western's win at the end of the season, because we all know that UNI had packed it in by that time. However, were the Panthers exposed at the end of last season and are they as good as everyone is making them out to be? I'd say that if you are able to stop/contain their QB, the passing game is non-existent. I saw more potential in SIU and I believe that when healthy they are clearly the team to beat this year.

This is not meant to be a Western post. I understand that it will probably be a transition year for the Necks.

[Houndawg]

I'll say it....not based on Western's win at the end of the season, because we all know that UNI had packed it in by that time. However, were the Panthers exposed at the end of last season and are they as good as everyone is making them out to be? I'd say that if you are able to stop/contain their QB, the passing game is non-existent. I saw more potential in SIU and I believe that when healthy they are clearly the team to beat this year.

This is not meant to be a Western post. I understand that it will probably be a transition year for the Necks.

I don't think exposed is the right word, there's no doubt about their talent. Clearly their passing game was a weak point but they still went 6-2 in MVC play.

[ValleyChamp]

I'll say it....not based on Western's win at the end of the season, because we all know that UNI had packed it in by that time. However, were the Panthers exposed at the end of last season and are they as good as everyone is making them out to be? I'd say that if you are able to stop/contain their QB, the passing game is non-existent. I saw more potential in SIU and I believe that when healthy they are clearly the team to beat this year.

This is not meant to be a Western post. I understand that it will probably be a transition year for the Necks.

UNI was ridiculously young last year, at virtually every position on both sides of the ball. Yet they were still the most consistent team in the league, and won the outright conference title.

Also, a large part of UNI's struggles in the last two games last year can be attributed to the fact that Rennie was injured in that Western game.

[BearsCountry]

So which one of you guy's coach are we going to steal next year? :) That our trend right now.

[MSUBear42]

So which one of you guy's coach are we going to steal next year? :) That our trend right now.
Thank GOD Bill Rowe isn't here to bring us another FCS Has-been.

We need to go the route our basketball team has gone and get an up-and-coming BCS assistant

[clenz]

UNI was ridiculously young last year, at virtually every position on both sides of the ball. Yet they were still the most consistent team in the league, and won the outright conference title.

Also, a large part of UNI's struggles in the last two games last year can be attributed to the fact that Rennie was injured in that Western game.
By ridiculously young last year...he means it.

Last year UNI started
- 5 new offensive lineman (with three combined starts at UNI, and all from one person, and a player who transferred in from Northeastern who cut their team)
- A QB in his first year of D1 play (who won the MVFC offensive POY)
- A RB in his first year of seeing the full time work load, as a sophomore
- an entire crew of WR who weren't much more than possession WR before last year, but had a ton of talent to put out

Yeah, doing the math UNI returned 2 (A TE and a WR that was counted as a starter even though he wasn't, so really it was one) starters on offense last season, and was still the most explosive offense in the MVFC.

This year UNI brings back everyone on offense, except our two TE's that saw the most PT...doing that math that is 10 starters back. One of those TE was more of a FB that had something like 3 carries and 10 catches in his career. He was just a load on the blocking front. The other TE will hurt some in his loss as a weapon. However, we signed a really talented TE that will likely redshirt this year and picked up a transfer from Arizona State - along with a TE who saw some decent PT as a rFr last season.

I believe UNI also brings back 9 or 10 starters on defense. The only key loss for UNI will be Jamar Thompson who was one of the better LB's to play at UNI.


UNI wasn't exposed against WIU and Lehigh last season. UNI went into WIU with the conference title wrapped up, and nothing really to play for. Rennie was hurt, sat 3/4 of the game, and the back up QB had already decided to quit the team, but hadn't turned in his uniform yet. Lehigh brought the most aggressive blitz package I've saw in a real long time of watching college football, and Rennie at 70% couldn't avoid it - but did better than a healthy immobile dropback QB would have.


Think what you want about UNI "being exposed"....UNI overachieved greatly last season. It was supposed to be the "worst" UNI team in a decade and yet they still won the conference.

[clenz]

Thank GOD Bill Rowe isn't here to bring us another FCS Has-been.

We need to go the route our basketball team has gone and get an up-and-coming BCS assistant
Terry Allen is UNI's all time winningest coach by %, hardly a FCS has-been when he landed at SWOMO

[BearsCountry]

Terry Allen is UNI's all time winningest coach by %, hardly a FCS has-been when he landed at SWOMO

By his record in Springfield and KU, it looks like it was UNI that made Terry Allen and not Terry Allen. Not to mention what the Panthers have done since he left for Lawrence.

[mgbison]

1. NDSU - like UNI we return 9 or 10 starters on both sides of the ball. I'm giving NDSU the edge, due to the game being played in Fargo. If our defense creates to's like last year, we'll definitely be in the top 3. QB and WR's are the biggest question marks for us. If Jensen can complete enough deep routes to keep the other teams defense honest, our offense will be pretty darn good.

2. UNI - I think they will be pretty damn good. I just don't like they way they ended the season last year. The WIU loss (regardless of who played or not) and then the opening roung loss in the playoffs. Teams are gonna make TR throw the ball.

3. ISUr - I like their offense. I don't know a whole lot about their defense, but they are my sleeper pick.

4. SIU - Injury bug last year, should be much improved.

5. SDSU - Kool is a good player, but can he handle the pounding on a weekly basis. Also, I think TOB is the worst QB in the confernce. He's had two years to improve and make better decisions, but the game isn't slowing down for him. SDSU's success depends on how long they keep him in the lineup.

6. ISUb - improved, but so is the rest of the confernce. The trees need improvement on special teams

7. WIU - Lost Barr and I don't really know much about the necks. I thought they had a lot of seniors on last years team, so I putting them at seven.

8. YSU - Too many transfers and i don't think their coaches are very good (UNI and NDSU games come to mind last year).

9. MSU -



After looking at last years pre and post season standings in the Valley, who knows whats gonna happen.

[Professor Chaos]

UNI wasn't exposed against WIU and Lehigh last season. UNI went into WIU with the conference title wrapped up, and nothing really to play for. Rennie was hurt, sat 3/4 of the game, and the back up QB had already decided to quit the team, but hadn't turned in his uniform yet. Lehigh brought the most aggressive blitz package I've saw in a real long time of watching college football, and Rennie at 70% couldn't avoid it - but did better than a healthy immobile dropback QB would have.

We keep hearing the excuse that UNI had nothing to play for against WIU and therefore lost the game due to apathy yet with as banged up as Rennie was the coaching staff had to have known that a win against WIU would certainly give UNI a playoff bye thus allowing time for Rennie and others to heal, not to mention a better playoff draw in the round after the byes. Sorry, but I just don't buy the fact that UNI lost that game because they "didn't care". WIU may have won because they were playing with more fire (a.k.a. desperation) but UNI had plenty of motivation to play and win that game.

[ValleyChamp]

We keep hearing the excuse that UNI had nothing to play for against WIU and therefore lost the game due to apathy yet with as banged up as Rennie was the coaching staff had to have known that a win against WIU would certainly give UNI a playoff bye thus allowing time for Rennie and others to heal, not to mention a better playoff draw in the round after the byes. Sorry, but I just don't buy the fact that UNI lost that game because they "didn't care". WIU may have won because they were playing with more fire (a.k.a. desperation) but UNI had plenty of motivation to play and win that game.

First off, Rennie was hurt IN the Western game.

And, it is not that UNI "didn't care" about the game. Its more that WIU was playing for everything on their senior day. UNI simply was not mentally prepared for what it what take to win that that type of game, being the young team that they were. That game was lost because of the combination of the youth, the circumstances of the game, WIU playing great in their last home game, and the Rennie injury that took place in the game.

Last year was a total rebuilding year for UNI. I can't stress that enough. To win another conference title with that team last year and make the playoffs yet again was a big time accomplishment for that team. And that is where the optimism for this year comes from. If UNI just displays the normal growth that you would expect from one year to the next from a good young team, UNI has to be the clear favorite.

You can claim that UNI was "exposed" last year all you want, but I say UNI did a lot of overachieving last year and did a lot of valuable learning. They will take last year's experiences and use them for this year. 2011 was supposed to be the year that UNI contended again. Not 2010.

[Twentysix]

And here I thought UNI was an unstoppable winning machine that out of the good graces of their hearts let select teams win from time to time.

I guess I had it all wrong.

[UNIFanSince1983]

And here I thought UNI was an unstoppable winning machine that out of the good graces of their hearts let select teams win from time to time.

I guess I had it all wrong.

I don't know why you think you had it wrong. That is exactly what it is. Don't let these other Panther fans fool you we are an unstoppable winning machine. Feel fortunate if we let you win. We haven't let YSU or NDSU win in the Farley era so believe dat! xthumbsupx

[leatherneck177]

Fair enough on the experience factor in terms of the finish to their season last year. I'd take a conference title any season, not taking that away from them. I just wonder if opposing defenses gave too much credit to UNI's passing game, and will make Rennie pass to beat them this year. Maybe loading up the box or other alignments? Just putting it out there. I'm used to UNI having a balanced QB (many great ones and a testament to your program), so I think it will be interesting to see how Rennie and company adjust.

[ValleyChamp]

Fair enough on the experience factor in terms of the finish to their season last year. I'd take a conference title any season, not taking that away from them. I just wonder if opposing defenses gave too much credit to UNI's passing game, and will make Rennie pass to beat them this year. Maybe loading up the box or other alignments? Just putting it out there. I'm used to UNI having a balanced QB (many great ones and a testament to your program), so I think it will be interesting to see how Rennie and company adjust.

Yes, I agree for the most part about the passing game. It needs to be better next year, because if it is not better our ceiling this year is about the same as last year. We did see a lot of stacking of the box against us last year, and that is why you saw a lot of big passing plays. Our passing game was not good, but we did have quite a few 40-50+ yard pass plays.

And you are correct about the style of play we had last year being different. There was a lot of adjustments being made on the fly last year by the team and the coaching staff, because we haven't had a QB like Rennie before. I don't think we were really prepared coming into the year for the change of offensive style that was required. That's another area that this offseason will benefit UNI immensely.

[clenz]

UNI averaged the same Run/Pass ratio last year as the previous 10 years....about 2.3-1.


UNI saw loaded box on every play this season and still put up over 2k rushing yards and over 5 yards per carry.

[Houndawg]

UNI averaged the same Run/Pass ratio last year as the previous 10 years....about 2.3-1.


UNI saw loaded box on every play this season and still put up over 2k rushing yards and over 5 yards per carry.


Keep up the good work.
























:D

[Pant8her]

Illinois State: ISUr has a good portion of their team returning from last year. I would contend that they will be a deciding factor in the MVFC standings although I do not believe they will be the MVFC champions. They will upset the cart though.

Week 1: Sep 3-- ISUr@Eastern Ill U-- One of those intra-state rivalry games that could turn into a grudge match. W
Week 2: Sep 10-Morehead St @ ISUr- I dont think there will be too much trouble here for ISU. W
Week 3: Sep 17-ISU@YSU- This will be a game that could easily define the season for both teams. ISU has had a relatively easy schedule so far. I think this is a toss up game, but with it at YSU the Penguins shock the birds. L
Week 4: Sep 24-SDSU@ISUr- After the shock of YSU the birds come back strong and have a good game against a tough bunny team. Again possible toss up, but go with the home team. W
Week 5: Oct 1-ISU@NDSU- The birds have a chance if they can sustain their confidence and dont make mistakes. They will have a close game with the bison, but being on the roadight be too much. L
Week 6: Oct 8- Difficult road game back to back from North Dakota to southern Missouri. A toss up game, that could break the bears backs. W
Week 7: Oct 15- USD@ISU- Next year USD will be a MVFC member, but ISU shoud have a relatively easy time. W
Week 8: Oct 22- ISUb@ISUr- Battle of the ISU's... Tough game but Red prevails at home. W
Week 9: Oct 29- ISU@SIU- Tough game to call. Both teams have a lot to prove after last year and this could be a good classic MVFC game, last possession. L
Week 10: Nov 5- WIU@ISU- WIU lost a lot of players from last year, therefore home team wins. W
Week 11: Nov 12- Bye week, well deserved rest for last regular season game.
Week 12: Nov 19- UNI@ISU- Tough game for both teams, The last few years they have been very physical games. Mostly a toss up game, but I have to go with UNI here. L

7-4

POST SEASON-- possible

[Pant8her]

Indiana State: ISUb has a good experienced team returning. Last season I believe they over-achieved, and the question is can they maintain the momentum from last season. I think that they will be middle of the MVFC pack and make an impact and upset a few.


Week 1: Sep 3-- ISUb@Penn State-- No doubt here Penn St wins. If Blue wins the MVFC is in for a show or the Big 10 (12) is in BIG trouble. L
Week 2: Sep 10- Butler@ISU-- I admit I do not know much about Butler football, but I do think that ISUb should win this one. W
Week 3: Sep 17- ISU@WKU-- Even though WKU has not done to well in the FCS I think they are a better team and will likely have too much for Blue. Although it could be a winnable FCS game for ISU. L
Week 4: Sep 24- YSU@ISU-- This game could go either way (at this time). YSU could be coming off an win on the road against another ISU team, but I will nod to the home team here. W
Week 5: Oct 1- ISUb@SDSU-- Allways tough to win at SDSU, it could go either way, but again the home team prevails. L
Week 6: Oct 8- ISUb@UNI-- Second tough road game in a row, UNI wins at home. L
Week 7: Oct 15- WIU@ISUb-- Possible spoiler game could go either way. W
Week 8: Oct 22- ISUb@ISUr- Battle of the ISU's... Tough game but Red prevails at home. L
Week 9: Oct 29- Bye, well deserved rest and time to recoup for the end of the season.
Week 10: Nov 5- NDSU@ISUb-- This could be a very interesting game to watch. NDSU would have just played a very physical game with UNI and ISU with a week of rest and possibly new found spirit could impact the standings. Many would like to see the bison fall, but I feel the trees will be humbled at home (hard loss to take). L
Week 11: Nov 12- ISUb@MSU-- This could be a good toss up game. We will have to see how the season progresses here. For some unkown reason ISUb wins on the road. W
Week 12: Nov 19- SIU@ISUb-- Last regular season game and against one of the potential toughest MVFC teams this coming season. ISU puts up a valiant effort but can not get enough done. L

4-7

POST SEASON-- not likely

[Pant8her]

Missouri State: MSU has lost good experienced players. Last season I believe they under-achieved, and the question is can they maintain the momentum from last season. I think that they will be lower of the MVFC and may upset a few but not likely. The Bears have the toughest schedule with their first four games on the road, including two FBS games, and their first home game against last season MVFC champs (UNI). They also only have four home games, which doesn’t lend much home fan support.xsmhx


Week 1: Sep 3-- MSU@University of Arkansas-- No doubt here Arkansas wins. MSU is just not good enough and they don’t have the tools to get it done. L
Week 2: Sep 10- MSU@EKU-- This is a winnable game for MSU. This game could/will likely tell us how MSU will perform this season. Toss up, but nod to MSU. W
Week 3: Sep 17- MSU@University of Oregon—The Quack attack will likely kill MSU. MSU take the money and run, score if you can but don’t get hurt. L
Week 4: Sep 24- MSU@SIU-- MSU could be in a world of hurt by this time. They have by far the toughest road to win, especially starting off the season on the road. This game will be no different the bears take it on the chin. L
Week 5: Oct 1- UNI@MSU-- If UNI continues their way this should be a good game against their former coach (if he is still around). MSU’s first home game and and they could be 0-4 to start and probably 0-5 after this game. L
Week 6: Oct 8- ISUr@MSU-- This could be a toss up game. Second home game for the bears, but there could be bad news for them with a rising red bird. L
Week 7: Oct 15- MSU@NDSU-- Back on the road again and this time to the soon to be frozen tundra, but inside the FD. The woes continue for the bears. L
Week 8: Oct 22- MSU@WIU-- This could be the glimmer of hope that MSU is hoping for. Always a tough game between these two team. Tough to call this game. W
Week 9: Oct 29- SDSU@MSU-- This will be a good game for both teams to build on. It is also conceivable that MSU could be 0-8 coming into this game and if things don’t go well 0-9 afterwards. Toss up game, nod to home team. W
Week 10: Nov 5- Bye, well deserved rest and time to recoup for the end of the season.
Week 11: Nov 12- ISUb@MSU-- This could be a good toss up game. We will have to see how the season progresses here. This could be the season killer and coach killer for MSU. L
Week 12: Nov 19- MSU@YSU-- This game could one worth watching, where both teams have nothing to lose. A win on the road could give MSU the boost they need for next year. W

4-7

POST SEASON-- not likely

[DJKyR0]

I like the breakdowns Pant8her. Anxious to see what you've got for our guys.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Week 9: Oct 29- SDSU@MSU-- This will be a good game for both teams to build on. It is also conceivable that MSU could be 0-8 coming into this game and if things don’t go well 0-9 afterwards. Toss up game, nod to home team. W

If we lose to Missouri St., I will officially be on SUICIDE WATCH for the month following that game... xsalutex

[LeadBolt]

Dec. 4 - No teams left...

[DJKyR0]

If we lose to Missouri St., I will officially be on SUICIDE WATCH for the month following that game... xsalutex

Welcome to the week leading up to the playoffs for us last season.

[Grizzaholic]

If we lose to Missouri St., I will officially be on SUICIDE WATCH for the month following that game... xsalutex

Were you on suicide or homicide watch after the Montana game? I don't want to go back and re-read that whole damn thread.

[UNI Pike]

Were you on suicide or homicide watch after the Montana game? I don't want to go back and re-read that whole damn thread.

That implosion created a blackhole

[Pant8her]

Wow, you guys take these predictions way too seriously. I am only going though how the teams did last season and looking at some of the key players lost and picked up to make predictions. If these were accurate I better get to Vegas xlolx
NDSU and SDSU will be soon.

I also am trying to be as impartial as possible.

No Smack intended.....

Enjoy and hope things work out the best for you and your fans.

[Grizzaholic]

Wow, you guys take these predictions way too seriously. I am only going though how the teams did last season and looking at some of the key players lost and picked up to make predictions. If these were accurate I better get to Vegas xlolx
NDSU and SDSU will be soon.

I also am trying to be as impartial as possible.

No Smack intended.....

Enjoy and hope things work out the best for you and your fans.


Thanks and keep up the good work. I enjoy reading fan's take on their individual conferences.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Were you on suicide or homicide watch after the Montana game? I don't want to go back and re-read that whole damn thread.

A part of me definitely died that day, Grizzaholic... Thanks for bringing that up.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

A part of me definitely died that day, Grizzaholic... Thanks for bringing that up.

Jacks had a very good team that year. If they would have gotten by the Grizz they could have made some serious noise in the playoffs.

Is the Jack's running game going to suffer this year with converting a WR to RB?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Question to Bears fans....no smack intended.

MSU puzzles me. Seems to be a school that has potential to have a huge fan base (city and school population) along with a nice stadium, but always seems to put out a mediocre team.

Is there poor institutional support?
Poor coaching/administration?

Even with UM dominating the state, MSU could carve out a nice fan base for themselves. I'm sure winning and putting a good product out on the field is a benefit but MSU, in my eyes, could be or should be a program that averages 15K + /season with a good season ticket holder fan base.

Just wondering.

[Pant8her]

North Dakota State: NDSU returns a decent team especially after the playoff run they had. NDSU’s schedule is in their favor this season with one exception SIU on the road. They also have to play a weak U Minn (FBS) and St Francis (Pa).


Week 1: Sep 3—U of Laffayette@NDSU-- No doubt here NDSU should win. Laffayette is good but just not good enough and they don’t have the tools to get it done. W
Week 2: Sep 10- St Francis@NDSU-- Again probably an easy win, St Francis will hope they don’t get too beat up. W
Week 3: Sep 17- Bye, rest and time to plan for U Minn and for the end of the season. A little early to have a bye, but it is better than none.
Week 4: Sep 24- NDSU@U Minnesota—NDSU could win this game against the Big 10 (12) FBS team. The gophers will probably be too much at home, this game could go either way but go with the home team L
Week 5: Oct 1- ISUr@NDSU-- ISUr will be good this season and could pull the upset. It all depends on how NDSU does the previous week and if they don’t get beaten up too much. I will still go with the home team. W
Week 6: Oct 8- NDSU@SIU-- This could be a toss up game. I think C-dale will be a tough place to win at. This could easily be one of the games deciding the MVFC champion L
Week 7: Oct 15- MSU@NDSU-- The Bears come in with hopes but the woes continue for the bears. W
Week 8: Oct 22- NDSU@SDSU-- This game could be a toss-up game. This could be the break that the bison if they could win in Brookings. This has usually been a grudge match so anything goes. W
Week 9: Oct 29- UNI@NDSU-- This will be a good game for both teams again a toss-up game. Lucky for the bison to have UNI at home this season. This could easily be one of the games deciding the MVFC champion. Home team wins. W
Week 10: Nov 5- NDSU@ISUb-- This could be another interesting game. NDSU has had a few tough games before this one, therefore it depends on how health NDSU is. ISUb will have had a week off and could be up for this game. The bison will be too much in the log run. W
Week 11: Nov 12- YSU@NDSU-- YSU nay not have enough this season but it should be a good game. W
Week 12: Nov 19- NDSU@WIU-- The only thing here is if WIU has a couple of surprises on their team, which I doubt. WIU lost a few good players and will likely not be able to compete. W

9-2

POST SEASON—Probably

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Jacks had a very good team that year. If they would have gotten by the Grizz they could have made some serious noise in the playoffs.

Is the Jack's running game going to suffer this year with converting a WR to RB?

The WR you allude to, Tyrel Kool, isn't the issue at all. He is a great athlete that was only moved from RB to WR to generate more touches, as he was playing behind All-American Kyle Minett. I'd like to think that he'll exceed the expectations of both our and our opponents' fans. To answer your question directly - yes, our running game is going to take a step back. After losing Minett to graduation, It'd be next to impossible for it not to. Unless we could've picked up a transfer like Brandon Wegher or Jewel Hampton, a step back is inevitable.

Unfortunately, the amount of production we'll get out of our new RB isn't our biggest issue. We still have a Junior starting QB, with 2 years of starting experience under his belt, that has been extremely erratic. Much of our success (or lack thereof) will, again, be dependent on how he plays. Also, we are young defensively and will need some WR's to step up and make plays on offense. It'll be an interesting year... That's all I have to say.

[Pant8her]

South Dakota State: SDSU has had a couple of good seasons in the MVFC, and now I feel they have seasoned themselves and could easily spoil quite a few teams aspects this season. I would predict middle of the MVFC.


Week 1: Sep 3—S Utah@SDSU-- This might be an interesting game and we should tell a lot about both teams after this game. Could be a toss-up, but go with the home team. W
Week 2: Sep 10- SDSU@U of Illinois—FBS (money) game Big 10 (12) , if U-Ill is not that good, SDSU could have a chance. L
Week 3: Sep 17- SDSU@CalPoly-- Second tough game on the road. If the Bunnies don’t get too beat up from U-Ill they might have a chance, but the road can be very unforgiving. Toss up game, but home team wins. L
Week 4: Sep 24- SDSU@ISUr -- On the road the Bunnies might have a difficult time. This is a winnable game and could go either way (at this time), but I will nod to the home team here. L
Week 5: Oct 1- ISUb@SDSU-- SDSU always tough at home, it could go either way, but again the home team prevails. W
Week 6: Oct 8- SDSU@YSU-- Tough road game depending how YSU is playing this season. I think that SDSU is slightly better in this toss up match. W
Week 7: Oct 15- UNI@SDSU-- Being home could work to SDSU’s advantage, but UNI is likely too strong overall. SDSU usually plays very tough at home. SDSU could also easily be playing the spoiler in this game. L
Week 8: Oct 22- NDSU@SDSU-- Two tough home games back to back. If the Bunnies lose at home this might just kill them. Good tough game as it usually is and likely a toss-up, but I believe NDSU might be a little better this season. Plus, the bison are getting tired of the bunnies beating them even though overall it is the home team that wins. L
Week 9: Oct 29- SDSU@MSU-- This could potentially be the Bears only win at home. The Bunnies have had a few tough games in a row and likely beaten up a bit (physically). Truthfully, this game could go either way, give the ever so slight nod to the home team. L
Week 10: Nov 5- SIU@SDSU-- SDSU has the luck of the schedule being in their favor, but will likely be over powered with the potential talent of this SIU team. SDSU could play spoiler here too. The possible MVFC champions will have to go through Brookings. L
Week 11: Nov 12- WIU has lost most of their talent but being at home could work for them. This could be a good toss up game, bunnies win on the road. W
Week 12: Nov 19- Bye, bad place for a bye unless the bunnies are going into post season.

4-7 could be higher xnodx

POST SEASON-- not likely, but th potential is there

[BearsCountry]

Question to Bears fans....no smack intended.

MSU puzzles me. Seems to be a school that has potential to have a huge fan base (city and school population) along with a nice stadium, but always seems to put out a mediocre team.

Is there poor institutional support?
Poor coaching/administration?

Even with UM dominating the state, MSU could carve out a nice fan base for themselves. I'm sure winning and putting a good product out on the field is a benefit but MSU, in my eyes, could be or should be a program that averages 15K + /season with a good season ticket holder fan base.

Just wondering.

Welcome to the world of being a Bears fan. We are snakebit for some reason. The insitution supports the program, we have hired the two coache with highest winning percentange in the MVC as coaches, just seems to be something with our football program. If we had UNI's tradition of success for example, we would be a high 20k to 30k plus attendance program easily.

[doolittledog]

I'm old, but didn't MSU have pretty decent success in the past? It might have been back in the Gateway days but I thought it used to be UNI and Missouri State that were the power programs at one time...like when they were still known as SWMSU.

Which brings me to this question. Before my family moved to Iowa from St. Louis in the early 80's SWMSU used to get a lot of football players from the St. Louis area. Do they still have that pipeline flowing? Or are St. Louis kids also going to SIU and SEMO now?

[Pant8her]

I'm old, but didn't MSU have pretty decent success in the past? It might have been back in the Gateway days but I thought it used to be UNI and Missouri State that were the power programs at one time...like when they were still known as SWMSU.

Which brings me to this question. Before my family moved to Iowa from St. Louis in the early 80's SWMSU used to get a lot of football players from the St. Louis area. Do they still have that pipeline flowing? Or are St. Louis kids also going to SIU and SEMO now?

For the most part MSU (formerly SMSU) had some success, but were middle of the Gateway most of the time, with a few excursions to the top. Most of the time IIRC it was UNI, ISUr, and WIU.

Actually most of the St. Louis kids now are either going to Mizzou or U of Ill. Some kids sign on to the nearby MVFC teams but fairly evenly (SIU, ISUr, WIU, and even UNI) fewer to SEMO.

It is surprising since MSU is the second largest University in the state that they do not seem to garner much support from either of the major metropolitan cities (STL, KC), maybe it because the cities already have major sport franchises and can not see past them (parochial attitude)xsmhx

V/R

[DJKyR0]

Like the take on the Bisons' season. I think ISUb is a total trap game, probably because I'm one of those guys buying into ISU and their boy Fouch. Beating UNI, IMO, has to be the number-one priority on the schedule this season.

[RabidRabbit]

And the W in Brookings is always a challenge for this D-I NDSU team. IIRC, Bison have yet to win in Brookings as a D-I.

[DJKyR0]

And the W in Brookings is always a challenge for this D-I NDSU team. IIRC, Bison have yet to win in Brookings as a D-I.

Correct. For me, if it was a choice between beating UNI or SDSU, I'd rather beat UNI. That said, I think this is our year in Brookings. Too much coming back for NDSU vs. not enough to fill the vacancies in SDSU.

[darell1976]

And the W in Brookings is always a challenge for this D-I NDSU team. IIRC, Bison have yet to win in Brookings as a D-I.

Is there any challenge for SDSU beating a FBS team? They like UND have a zero in the win column; although they did play the Huskers really close last year (17-3).

[Pant8her]

Southern Illinois: SIU was down last year, but they have acquired a few top transfers. They have experience in a few key positions and they will likely be a force to be reckoned with.


Week 1: Sep 2-- SIU@SEMO-- REVENGE!! Is the only thing on SIU’s mind for this game. W
Week 2: Sep 10- SIU@Uof Mississippi – FBS game at Oxford. The salukis will likely not win, but they will put up a good show and stay healthy. L
Week 3: Sep 17- Bye, this early may hurt SIU if they are playoff bound when they need the mid season rest.
Week 4: Sep 24- MSU@SIU-- SIU should control this game. The Bears will have no luck in C-dale and SIU wins. W
Week 5: Oct 1- SIU@WIU-- Interstate rivalry can be tough on both teams, but SIU prevails. W
Week 6: Oct 8- NDSU@SIU-- This could be a toss up game. I think C-dale will be a tough place for other teams to win at. This could easily be one of the games deciding the MVFC champion W
Week 7: Oct 15- YSU@SIU-- Can the penguins pull it off? Not likely. YSU can be the wild card in the MVFC. W
Week 8: Oct 22- SIU@UNI-- SIU has been extremely lucky the last few encounters, but the panthers will remember those games and want revenge in the dome. This game could be a toss-up game. This has usually been a grudge match so anything goes. This could easily be one of the games deciding the MVFC champion L
Week 9: Oct 29- ISUr@SIU-- Another interstate rivalry, always tough and physical game. SIU wins a close game at home. W
Week 10: Nov 5- SIU@SDSU-- This could be another interesting game. SDSU has their tough games at home but just can’t handle the conference this season. SIU win one on the road. W
Week 11: Nov 12- EIU@SIU-- The last FCS intrastate Ill schools to play and there should be no doubt who wins. W
Week 12: Nov 19- SIU@ISUb-- The last regular season game for SIU should not be an easy game but definitely winnable. If SIU wins this game following a few wins in a row will pole vault them into playoffs, with at least one-two home games.W

9-2

POST SEASON—Probably

[Twentysix]

Week 9: Oct 29- ISUr@SIU-- Another interstate rivalry, always tough and physical game. SIU wins a close game at home. L
Week 9: Oct 29- ISU@SIU- Tough game to call. Both teams have a lot to prove after last year and this could be a good classic MVFC game, last possession. L


Not to be picky, but you have both teams losing this game.

[Pant8her]

Week 9: Oct 29- ISUr@SIU-- Another interstate rivalry, always tough and physical game. SIU wins a close game at home. L
Week 9: Oct 29- ISU@SIU- Tough game to call. Both teams have a lot to prove after last year and this could be a good classic MVFC game, last possession. L


Not to be picky, but you have both teams losing this game.

Good catch, typographical error xthumbsupx xbangx

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Is there any challenge for SDSU beating a FBS team? They like UND have a zero in the win column; although they did play the Huskers really close last year (17-3).

... AND we fumbled inside our own 5 yard line late in the 4th quarter at Minnesota the year before. We are knocking on the door of an FBS win. Not sure this year is our year, but its not like Illinois is a big powerhouse or anything. F'it, I'll guarentee a victory over the Illini this year - just for the rest of the FCS!

[Twentysix]

... AND we fumbled inside our own 5 yard line late in the 4th quarter at Minnesota the year before. We are knocking on the door of an FBS win. Not sure this year is our year, but its not like Illinois is a big powerhouse or anything. F'it, I'll guarentee a victory over the Illini this year - just for the rest of the FCS!

Ill gurantee TOB throws 14 interceptions.

Lets see whos gurantee is closer. :P

I keed i keed, A win over the Illini would be great for SDSU and the MVFC.

[Twentysix]

So if your lists were to come to fruition, What happens in a 3 way love triangle between SIU NDSU UNI.

Hypothetical All 3 9-2 (7-1), NDSU loses to SIU beats UNI. UNI Loses to NDSU beats SIU. SIU loses to UNI beats NDSU.

I understand atleast some tiebreaker rules, but how do you break a 3 way tie where all 3 programs have identical records.

[Pant8her]

If there is a three way tie we would have to check into the MVFC bylaws.xconfusedx

No matter what all three would likely be headed to the playoffs, just hopefully in different brackets so two MVFC teams could possibly end up in Frisco for the NC.xnodxxthumbsupx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

If there is a three way tie we would have to check into the MVFC bylaws.xconfusedx

No matter what all three would likely be headed to the playoffs, just hopefully in different brackets so two MVFC teams could possibly end up in Frisco for the NC.xnodxxthumbsupx


This could definitely happen this year.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I can't remember what happened last time, but I believe this has happened before. It happened in 2005 when YSU, SIU and UNI all finished 8-3. But now I actually was looking at it, and we got the auto because we beat both Youngstown and SIU. So it isn't the same scenario.

I do remember my freshman year at Coe College I played football, and we tied for the conference championship. With the 3 teams that tied having all beat each other. And the auto went to the team who hadn't won the conference in the longest time, but the Valley may be different. I might have to look into this as it is a very real possibility it happens this year in the Valley.

[ValleyChamp]

I can't remember what happened last time, but I believe this has happened before. It happened in 2005 when YSU, SIU and UNI all finished 8-3. But now I actually was looking at it, and we got the auto because we beat both Youngstown and SIU. So it isn't the same scenario.

I do remember my freshman year at Coe College I played football, and we tied for the conference championship. With the 3 teams that tied having all beat each other. And the auto went to the team who hadn't won the conference in the longest time, but the Valley may be different. I might have to look into this as it is a very real possibility it happens this year in the Valley.

That is the dumbest system I have ever heard.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I am not saying it wasn't. That was just the Iowa Conference rule at the time if I remember correctly.

I am now really curious as to what the rule is in that situation for the Valley.

[gjw007]

That is the dumbest system I have ever heard.

The Big Ten does something similar; if tied, the team that has not been to the Rose Bowl in the longest time goes to the Rose Bowl as the Big Ten representative. It is not an unusual system.

[Pant8her]

Northern Iowa: UNI had a young inexperienced team last season. This year they will have more experience on both the offensive and defensive lines, which will make them potentially dangerous to deal with. The big question for UNI will be the QB, can he pass half as good as he can run?


Week 1: Sep – UNI@Iowa State-- Last year ISU (FBS) shut out UNI, which defined UNI’s early season. This year revenge might be on UNI’s mind, but not enough to win. L
Week 2: Sep 10- UNI@SFA -- Last year SFA escaped UNI with a narrow win, but SFA has lost QB Moses. Tough road game, possible toss-up, but UNI wins on the road. W
Week 3: Sep 17 Bye, this early may hurt UNI, like SIU, if they are playoff bound when they need the mid season rest.
Week 4: Sep 24- WIU@UNI-- UNI laid an egg at WIU, this season UNI wins soundly. W
Week 5: Oct 1- UNI@MSU-- UNI goes into Springfield to win. Probably giving TA his walking papers in the process. It will not be an easy game, but MSU will have just started the season as tough as it gets, UNI wins. W
Week 6: Oct 8- ISUb@UNI-- UNI at home will be too much for the Trees. W
Week 7: Oct 15- UNI@SDSU-- Being home could work to SDSU’s advantage, but UNI is likely too strong overall. SDSU usually plays very tough at home. SDSU could also easily be playing the spoiler in this game. W
Week 8: Oct 22- SIU@UNI-- UNI has hurt themselves the last few encounters, but the UNI will remember those games and fix the errors they have made. This game could be a toss-up game. This has usually been a grudge match so anything goes. This could easily be one of the games deciding the MVFC champion W
Week 9: Oct 29- UNI@NDSU-- Lucky thing for the bison to get UNI in Fargo. This has usually been a well played and contested match so anything goes. This could easily be one of the games deciding the MVFC champion. L
Week 10: Nov 5- YSU@UNI-- This could be another interesting game. YSU has had their troubles with UNI since Tressel left, and UNI continues at home this season. W
Week 11: Nov 12- S Utah@UNI-- SUU goes to UNI, but will likely come away with a loss. W
Week 12: Nov 19- UNI@ISUr-- The last regular season game for UNI should be a tough road game. ISUr will have a week off prior to this game so they will be prepared to spoil the hopes for UNI. Tough game to call, but possible playoff implications UNI should be fired up and win a close game. W

9-2

POST SEASON—Probably

[Twentysix]

The Autobid wouldn't dictate seeding correct? In the event of the hypothetical 3 way tie.

The strongest SOS/best OOC wins would probably get the highest seed even if it wasnt the team awarded the autobid, Correct?

[bjtheflamesfan]

I can't remember what happened last time, but I believe this has happened before. It happened in 2005 when YSU, SIU and UNI all finished 8-3. But now I actually was looking at it, and we got the auto because we beat both Youngstown and SIU. So it isn't the same scenario.

I do remember my freshman year at Coe College I played football, and we tied for the conference championship. With the 3 teams that tied having all beat each other. And the auto went to the team who hadn't won the conference in the longest time, but the Valley may be different. I might have to look into this as it is a very real possibility it happens this year in the Valley.

If the Big South had used that tiebreaker, Stony Brook actually would have won the auto qualifier

[clenz]

The Autobid wouldn't dictate seeding correct? In the event of the hypothetical 3 way tie.

The strongest SOS/best OOC wins would probably get the highest seed even if it wasnt the team awarded the autobid, Correct?
Don't know about a three team tie, BUT in 2008 (I believe) SIU and UNI tied for the title, but SIU got the auto-bid....However, UNI got the seed that year.

[Pant8her]

Western Illinois: WIU was way up last year and relatively speaking overachieved from the previous season, but with the way the MVFC was last year it should not have been to much of a surprise. This season, there are many holes to fill in.


Week 1: Sep 1 -- WIU@SHSU-- Tough road game at SHSU, the outcome of this game should help us determine how the season goes for WIU W
Week 2: Sep 10- Jacksonville@WIU-- WIU better be ready, I think Jacksonville may come in and bring their best game to prove they ca play with the big boys of FCS (not Pioneer League). W
Week 3: Sep 17- WIU@Mizzou-- WIU will not have much of a chance against UM (FBS), just stay healthy and build for the rest of the season. L
Week 4: Sep 24- WIU@UNI-- Hard road game for WIU. In addition, UNI will want to repay WIU for hanging the loss on them last season. Go with the home team. L
Week 5: Oct 1- SIU@WIU-- Interstate rivalry can be tough on both teams, but SIU probably has more talent and WIU just had two rough road games therefore SIU prevails. L
Week 6: Oct 8- Bye, nice timing for WIU well needed.
Week 7: Oct 15- WIU@ISUb-- This game could go either way and they could spoiler each others aspirations. I choose the home team. L
Week 8: Oct 22- MSU@WIU-- This game will be competitive, and will likely be a heartbreaker for the loser. I feel that MSU will try to prove themselves and win on the road. L
Week 9: Oct 29- WIU@YSU-- Another tough game for both teams. WIU may be coming into this game with a chip on their shoulder. Toss up game, but I choose WIU. W
Week 10: Nov 5- WIU@ISUr-- At home I would favor ISUr. Could easily be a toss up game depending how the season goes. L
Week 11: Nov 12- SDSU@WIU-- WIU lost their main offensive threat QB, but being at home could play the spoiler and win this game, but SDSU probably has a little more talent. L
Week 12: Nov 19- NDSU@WIU-- The only real hope here is if WIU has a couple of surprises through the season, but give NDSU the win. L

3-8 possibly better

POST SEASON-- Not Likely

[skinny_uncle]

So if your lists were to come to fruition, What happens in a 3 way love triangle between SIU NDSU UNI.

Hypothetical All 3 9-2 (7-1), NDSU loses to SIU beats UNI. UNI Loses to NDSU beats SIU. SIU loses to UNI beats NDSU.

I understand atleast some tiebreaker rules, but how do you break a 3 way tie where all 3 programs have identical records.

I think they then compare each team's performance against the fourth place team and work their way down the standings. My memory is a little fuzzy on this scenario, although I have seen it discussed in previous years.

[Twentysix]

I think they then compare each team's performance against the fourth place team and work their way down the standings. My memory is a little fuzzy on this scenario, although I have seen it discussed in previous years.

You mean like margin of victory?

[Pant8her]

Youngstown State: YSU has been the biggest question, they recently added 30+ scholarships. They have a new training facility thanks to Tressel and family. It seems as though they might be making a move back into the scene. The last couple of seasons YSU has had some difficulty with players staying on the team and some antics. They will likely spoil a few teams aspirations within the MVFC.


Week 1: Sep 2 -- YSU@MichSt-- Big 10 (12) FBS game. YSU will probably play conpetative as long as they stay healthy. L
Week 2: Sep 10- Valparaiso@YSU-- YSU should be no question. W
Week 3: Sep 17- ISUr@YSU-- YSU comes in strong with a confident team and surprises ISUr. ISUr has had an easy schedule so far and this is their first tough team and on the road. W
Week 4: Sep 24- YSU@ISUb-- YSU has some momentum but the trees are at home, where they only lost one game. Go with the home team. L
Week 5: Oct 1- Bye, nice timing for YSU well needed.
Week 6: Oct 8- SDSU@YSU-- YSU well rested but an angry SDSU team comes in to prove something.It all depends on how each team is playing, could be a toss up game. L
Week 7: Oct 15- YSU@SIU-- This a good match up if YSU has more talent than they have shown in recent years, otherwise the home team wins with more overall talent. L
Week 8: Oct 22- St.Francis@YSU-- This should be a fairly good game for YSU to win especially at home. W
Week 9: Oct 29- WIU@YSU-- Another tough game for both teams. WIU may be coming into this game with a chip on their shoulder. Toss up game, but I choose WIU. L
Week 10: Nov 5- YSU@UNI-- UNI has won most of the recent games with YSU, I suspect this year it will continue for the home team. L
Week 11: Nov 12- YSU@NDSU-- second dome team in as many weeks, tough road trip for the penguins NDSU wins a good game. L
Week 12: Nov 19- MSU@YSU-- I feel that MSU and YSU will be fighting for dignity in this toss up game YSU will probably have been beaten up on its road trip. The visiting Bears pull out a win. L

3-8 possibly better

POST SEASON-- Not Likely

[DJKyR0]

Two thoughts on YSU.

First, I don't see them being "competitive" against Michigan State. I'm buying YSU stock but the Spartans are going to dominate that game, as they would the majority of FCS teams. Sparty is trending up.

Second, I think a 3-8 record seems low. I love Hess and I think their guy Bellamy looked legit, plus they've got a guy ahead of him that looks great as well and made the Walter Payton list. I'm thinking a 3-5 finish is not impossible, though I don't see them encroaching on the conference championship. Definitely my sleeper MVFC pick.

Looking at it game-by-game it is tough to pick a big season out of the 'Guins, so maybe I'm way off-base. Certainly wouldn't be the first time, now that I think about it...

[Professor Chaos]

I think they then compare each team's performance against the fourth place team and work their way down the standings. My memory is a little fuzzy on this scenario, although I have seen it discussed in previous years.
I think they should go with the highest BC$ ranking as the tiebreaker xsmiley_wix

[Pant8her]

Two thoughts on YSU.

First, I don't see them being "competitive" against Michigan State. I'm buying YSU stock but the Spartans are going to dominate that game, as they would the majority of FCS teams. Sparty is trending up.

Second, I think a 3-8 record seems low. I love Hess and I think their guy Bellamy looked legit, plus they've got a guy ahead of him that looks great as well and made the Walter Payton list. I'm thinking a 3-5 finish is not impossible, though I don't see them encroaching on the conference championship. Definitely my sleeper MVFC pick.

Looking at it game-by-game it is tough to pick a big season out of the 'Guins, so maybe I'm way off-base. Certainly wouldn't be the first time, now that I think about it...

On point one, being competative in a game like that is not getting blown out by 35 or more point. I also expect that Mich St will let a few of the less experienced players have time. I expect (if I were to conjecture YSU 10 - Mich St 38).

On point two, I had a difficult time trying to choose a winner an losers in many games, but someone has to win and someone has to lose. Again I base my predictions upon recent (4 years) performance team vs team and how the schedule for each team plays out. I definitely believe the potential is there for the MVFC to have a champion with a 7-4 record (like last year). Most of the predictions of the lower teir teams could and easily may be 5-6 or 6-5. But that is why they play the game on the field xnodx

I wish the best for each team and that we have at least three MVFC teams in the playoffs and two in the championship game.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I just like that you say playoffs are "not likely" for teams that have 3 wins. Like they might actually have a chance. When, in reality, they have ZERO chance. xthumbsupx

[Pant8her]

I just like that you say playoffs are "not likely" for teams that have 3 wins. Like they might actually have a chance. When, in reality, they have ZERO chance. xthumbsupx

If you recall from last season who would have thought that WIU had a chance let alone ISUb ?
Therefore, it is possible for any MVFC team to win and go to the playoffs however unlikey. Again, that is why the teams determine it on the field. Best wishes to all...

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Does anybody have an idea when the preseason Coaches/Media polls will be released, along with preseason All-Conference teamrs? I know SDSU's beat writer for the Argus Leader released his poll (and his justification for picking SDSU 6th) last week, so I thought it'd be out by now - especially since a lot of other conferences are releasing theirs. Guess not...

Fall camp is just over a week away for us... As a former MVFC alum once said, "CAN'T WAIT!!!!"

[DJKyR0]

Does anybody have an idea when the preseason Coaches/Media polls will be released, along with preseason All-Conference teamrs? I know SDSU's beat writer for the Argus Leader released his poll (and his justification for picking SDSU 6th) last week, so I thought it'd be out by now - especially since a lot of other conferences are releasing theirs. Guess not...

Fall camp is just over a week away for us... As a former MVFC alum once said, "CAN'T WAIT!!!!"

That info is released to the media on August 1st. I don't know if that gets relayed to the newsfeeds here or not, but I'm on the NDSU SID's forward-list and will have the lists/info up here the moment I get it (assuming it isn't already).

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Its August 1st! Here is the preseason poll:

2011 Valley Football Preseason Poll

Team (first-place votes) Points

1. UNI (29) 316

2. North Dakota State (6) 275

3. Southern Illinois (1 )207

4. South Dakota State 172

5. Illinois State 169

6. Indiana State 168

7. Western Illinois 151

8. Youngstown State 88

9. Missouri State 74

Courtesy: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[RabidRabbit]

Its August 1st! Here is the preseason poll:

2011 Valley Football Preseason Poll

Team (first-place votes) Points

1. UNI (29) 316

2. North Dakota State (6) 275

3. Southern Illinois (1 )207

4. South Dakota State 172

5. Illinois State 169

6. Indiana State 168

7. Western Illinois 151

8. Youngstown State 88

9. Missouri State 74

Courtesy: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Media voted Pre-season poll?

That's a tight grouping in th 4-6 range. Only UNI/Mo State selection appear consistent.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Media voted Pre-season poll?

Yes. Sorry for not clarifying.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Youngstown has 50 new players this year....wow!

Good offense and bad defense last year.....but 50 new players. It is going to take some time for them to gell into a consistent team, IMO.

[Houndawg]

SIU
UNI
SDSU
NDSU
the rest

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SIU
UNI
SDSU
NDSU
the rest


Hey houndawg, interesting you have the Jacks above the Bison.

IMO, it will be a battle between SIU-UNI-NDSU for the conference title.....the Jacks will be in the middle of the pack. But they might prove me wrong.

[No_Skill]

Hey houndawg, interesting you have the Jacks above the Bison.

IMO, it will be a battle between SIU-UNI-NDSU for the conference title.....the Jacks will be in the middle of the pack. But they might prove me wrong.

That's what I love about the MVFC, you just never know. There's really no one team that stands out above the others like some other conferences. It's a credit to all the schools in the MVFC.

[DoubleE]

YSU got another transfer this week in former 4 star recruit from Miami LB Travis Williams, he will be a RS freshman. Also rumor is there is another new transfer on campus, penn state QB Kevin Newsome, a fprmer 4 star qb recruit.

YSU has 48 new players that were not on the roster last season as of yet with alot of juco and transfer players from big time programs to go with the 20 some freshman. this is gonna be a very young team but the most talented team YSU has fielded since Tressel was the coach. This is very very exciting

[Houndawg]

Hey houndawg, interesting you have the Jacks above the Bison.

IMO, it will be a battle between SIU-UNI-NDSU for the conference title.....the Jacks will be in the middle of the pack. But they might prove me wrong.

The conventional wisdom doesn't have a great track recently in the MVC.

Nothing personal picking them over you guys and I'm going by last year. We lost to both NDSU and SDSU last year but the Jacks flat took it to us whereas we shot ourselves at Fargo. I think the Jacks bring back most of their lines, too, and they haven't been ducking anybody, and that should pay off for them at some point.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

The conventional wisdom doesn't have a great track recently in the MVC.

Nothing personal picking them over you guys and I'm going by last year. We lost to both NDSU and SDSU last year but the Jacks flat took it to us whereas we shot ourselves at Fargo. I think the Jacks bring back most of their lines, too, and they haven't been ducking anybody, and that should pay off for them at some point.

Thanks for giving us a little love, Dawg. I think a lot of people are overlooking SDSU this year, mainly because QB Tomas O'Brien (only a Soph) was so inconsistant last year. If TOB progresses this year, I think we will surprise a few teams. I honestly believe the playoffs are a realistic expectation for this team. At the same time, if our QB play doesn't improve, we'll be right back where we finished last year.

[darell1976]

Thanks for giving us a little love, Dawg. I think a lot of people are overlooking SDSU this year, mainly because QB Tomas O'Brien (only a Soph) was so inconsistant last year. If TOB progresses this year, I think we will surprise a few teams. I honestly believe the playoffs are a realistic expectation for this team. At the same time, if our QB play doesn't improve, we'll be right back where we finished last year.

For a team that lost only 17-3 in Lincoln....I thought SDSU was a pretty good team last year, and should be a contender this year.

[No_Skill]

For a team that lost only 17-3 in Lincoln....I thought SDSU was a pretty good team last year, and should be a contender this year.

True.

Love the pic in his sig btw.

[Houndawg]

Thanks for giving us a little love, Dawg. I think a lot of people are overlooking SDSU this year, mainly because QB Tomas O'Brien (only a Soph) was so inconsistant last year. If TOB progresses this year, I think we will surprise a few teams. I honestly believe the playoffs are a realistic expectation for this team. At the same time, if our QB play doesn't improve, we'll be right back where we finished last year.

I didn't give it, you earned it. Illinois and SDSU are the two games I think we would have lost anyway, even if we hadn't had the injury problem.

[underdawg]

Thanks for giving us a little love, Dawg. I think a lot of people are overlooking SDSU this year, mainly because QB Tomas O'Brien (only a Soph) was so inconsistant last year. If TOB progresses this year, I think we will surprise a few teams. I honestly believe the playoffs are a realistic expectation for this team. At the same time, if our QB play doesn't improve, we'll be right back where we finished last year.

I'd say UNI, SIU and NDSU or SDSU---I guess I just can't see us winning two in row at UNI--though Lennon seems to have their number. But I can see SIU helping out UNI to the title since we play NDSU at Saluki Stadium. To NDSU fans: did you just lose a couple of your better DB's because of academics and will that affect your Defense much?

[FargoBison]

I'd say UNI, SIU and NDSU or SDSU---I guess I just can't see us winning two in row at UNI--though Lennon seems to have their number. But I can see SIU helping out UNI to the title since we play NDSU at Saluki Stadium. To NDSU fans: did you just lose a couple of your better DB's because of academics and will that affect your Defense much?

We lost a CB that started three games for us last year and our change of pace RB due to academics. The other starting CB and both safeties are still on the team and eligible though. I don't think it will have that big of an affect, if anything replacing Gratzek(DT) who graduated is a much greater concern. The DL generating pressure is huge in the Tampa 2 scheme, as the "three technique" DT Gratzek played a major role in pressuring the QB.

[underdawg]

Thanks for the info.

[achrist70]

I'd say UNI, SIU and NDSU or SDSU---I guess I just can't see us winning two in row at UNI--though Lennon seems to have their number. But I can see SIU helping out UNI to the title since we play NDSU at Saluki Stadium. To NDSU fans: did you just lose a couple of your better DB's because of academics and will that affect your Defense much?

All excellent points, I really don't know how Lennon can have us figured out so well.

[DJKyR0]

Corner depth is a huge concern on the NDSU defense. Of the players currently on roster, exactly one played last season in sophomore Marcus Williams (all-conf HR). We've got two transfers to help out, and the rest are redshirts or will play as true freshmen. I believe we have eight corners on the roster right now.

[Houndawg]

Corner depth is a huge concern on the NDSU defense. Of the players currently on roster, exactly one played last season in sophomore Marcus Williams (all-conf HR). We've got two transfers to help out, and the rest are redshirts or will play as true freshmen. I believe we have eight corners on the roster right now.

We have felt your pain...

[Houndawg]

I'd say UNI, SIU and NDSU or SDSU---I guess I just can't see us winning two in row at UNI--though Lennon seems to have their number. But I can see SIU helping out UNI to the title since we play NDSU at Saluki Stadium. To NDSU fans: did you just lose a couple of your better DB's because of academics and will that affect your Defense much?

Yeah, I think they can get us this year, but we can still win the MVC if they beat us - last year they won the conference with two losses. The whole thing with UNI will be which team shows up

[Houndawg]

All excellent points, I really don't know how Lennon can have us figured out so well.

Some teams just match up. last season we lost to the worst team in the league and beat the two best teams.

[Daved]

I am quite worried about this season. We not only have some tough OOC games, but the MVFC looks to be as competitive as ever.

SIU and NDSU appear to be at the top. The fact that we have to go to Fargo, and the fact that we have never beaten Dale Lennon worries me. I have yet to see Rennie prove to me he can throw the ball with out it going to the other team. We did not lose to much so I think we will still be at the top, but I think it is closer than some of the more arrogant UNI fans think.

1. SIU
2. UNI
3. NDSU
4. Illinois St.
5. SDSU
6. MSU
7. Indiana St.
8. WIU
9. YSU

Some of these I really didn't know about and I think could be toss ups. I mean honestly I had no real clue in 4-9...

Should be a great year!!

Agree that it should be a great year--Probably a far greater chance of UNI winning a National Title than YSU finishing 9th IMHO.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Agree that it should be a great year--Probably a far greater chance of UNI winning a National Title than YSU finishing 9th IMHO.


....with 50 new players on the roster, it is going to take awhile for this team to gell.

[DJKyR0]

....with 50 new players on the roster, it is going to take awhile for this team to gell.

That's if it gels at all. No offense to YSU fans here, but consider that newcomers to a program are usually 25-40% of a roster, give or take. A majority of the roster is usually returning players, and those older players instill the tradition and program respect that makes the best FCS programs strong. This may be lacking with a smaller portion of the team able to guide the younger players. A number of them should bloom well, but I have a feeling the gambit of "tons of new talent" might not play out as well as YSU fans are hoping for. Just an appraisal for what I see it as, nothing more.

[clenz]

That's if it gels at all. No offense to YSU fans here, but consider that newcomers to a program are usually 25-40% of a roster, give or take. A majority of the roster is usually returning players, and those older players instill the tradition and program respect that makes the best FCS programs strong. This may be lacking with a smaller portion of the team able to guide the younger players. A number of them should bloom well, but I have a feeling the gambit of "tons of new talent" might not play out as well as YSU fans are hoping for. Just an appraisal for what I see it as, nothing more.
I've tried to tell them this as well.

You show me a program that is strong EVERY YEAR built from transfers and FBS rejects and I'll show you the exception to the rule

[DoubleE]

with YSU with the eception of a few offensive lineman the starting offense which was one of the best in the conference returns most of the players. most of the 50 new players are on the defensive side and special teams which to be honest, as good as YSU was on offense last year, they were the worst defensive team in D1 football. their special teams was also lacking, with the new players the talent level and athleticism on the defensive side of the ball have dramatically improved, and with the new depth so will special teams. It may take awhile for the defense to gell but even a bad defense is an improvement from last year.

[DJKyR0]

You show me a program that is strong EVERY YEAR built from transfers and FBS rejects and I'll show you the exception to the rule

If I'm not mistaken, Delaware is a popular destination for FBS-FCS transfers, though the percentage of the team made up from those in a given year is probably nowhere near what YSU did this offseason. Can't say it hasn't worked out pretty well for them.

[DoubleE]

I've tried to tell them this as well.

You show me a program that is strong EVERY YEAR built from transfers and FBS rejects and I'll show you the exception to the rule

Heackock couldnt recruit and there was zero depth in the program, of the 50 new players 20 of them are true freshman. Wolford is improving the talent for now with transfers and juco players becuase there was none in the program while adding good freshman classes to groom for the future. As a long term plan I agree it doesnt work but for a short term (2-3 years to improve the quality of the players in the program) I have no problem with it

[DoubleE]

I think most YSU fans arnt expecting to win the conference or make the playoffs this year. Is there a dramatic improvement in talent and athleticism in the program ? yes. Is there depth for the first time in years ? yes. but i think most YSU fans are thinking because of all the new players that a 6-5 or 7-4 season isnt out of the question. most of the bigger transfers are underclassmen (rs freshman or sophmores) and with the exception of the 2 from Miami fl (the 3 star CB and 4 star LB who will be rs freshman this year) most of the transfers are youngstown kids who went elsewhere to come back home

[UNI Pike]

DE's # of transfers, though consistent, is a bit overblown. Its just the transfers they do land seem to be the high profile, high impact sort.

I say this with no love for Keller, et al.

[clenz]

DE's # of transfers, though consistent, is a bit overblown. Its just the transfers they do land seem to be the high profile, high impact sort.

I say this with no love for Keller, et al.This.


For all of the talk about UD being transfer U the only two transfers they have had that have made any sort of name for themselves are both QB's, and not every position on the field.

Flacco and Devlin are really the only two that I can think of that did anything at UD. Also remember, that UD played a TE at QB a couple years ago because of their lack of depth.

[green and gold]

Does anybody have an idea when the preseason Coaches/Media polls will be released, along with preseason All-Conference teamrs? I know SDSU's beat writer for the Argus Leader released his poll (and his justification for picking SDSU 6th) last week, so I thought it'd be out by now - especially since a lot of other conferences are releasing theirs. Guess not...

Fall camp is just over a week away for us... As a former MVFC alum once said, "CAN'T WAIT!!!!"

You sir must see this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGZCKlonx78

[UNIFanSince1983]

I hear Jim Tressel is looking for a job YSU fans... xthumbsupx

[Jacked_Rabbit]

You sir must see this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGZCKlonx78

hahaha that sh#t still cracks me up... The Rabbits roll the ball out today... CAN'T WAIT!

[Daved]

....with 50 new players on the roster, it is going to take awhile for this team to gell.

I agree--my contention is that UNI's chance of winning a NC is greater than YSU coming in 9th--no doubt it will take some time for a practically brand new team to jell.

[Daved]

That's if it gels at all. No offense to YSU fans here, but consider that newcomers to a program are usually 25-40% of a roster, give or take. A majority of the roster is usually returning players, and those older players instill the tradition and program respect that makes the best FCS programs strong. This may be lacking with a smaller portion of the team able to guide the younger players. A number of them should bloom well, but I have a feeling the gambit of "tons of new talent" might not play out as well as YSU fans are hoping for. Just an appraisal for what I see it as, nothing more.
Agree--what we are hoping for and what may happen can be totally different--we have a lot more talent than last year but there are too many variables such as injuries,luck.etc.that can make all the difference in the world--realistically only time will tell.xcoolx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I agree--my contention is that UNI's chance of winning a NC is greater than YSU coming in 9th--no doubt it will take some time for a practically brand new team to jell.


UNI taking the conference crown is not set in stone this year.

Their game in Fargo should be a battle.

[Houndawg]

Been pretty one-sided so far.


The MVC champ will have two conference losses - the conference will be much stronger than last year and it will be pretty hard for an MVC team to do better than 8-3 this year

[Daved]

I hear Jim Tressel is looking for a job YSU fans... xthumbsupx

If he gets hired by UNI I will retract my statement that they will NEVER win a NC.

[UNI Pike]

If he gets hired by UNI I will retract my statement that they will NEVER win a NC.

Question is how long would we get to keep the title(s)?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Bison vs Lafayette

Bison win 38-10.....although if we establish a consistent passing game it could be worse.


GO BISON

[Twentysix]

NDSU goes undefeated in yellow jersey's.

[gojacks]

Starting at 37:30 we preview SDSU's season and their game vs. Southern Utah on Saturday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWO9jp71iRY

[Daved]

Question is how long would we get to keep the title(s)?

Any amount of time is more than no time at all.