Did Hendrick bribe NASCAR?

[grizbeer]

How can you explain the non-penalty for the 48 car? No points at all? The only explanation is Tricky Rick bribed NASCAR.

For those that don't know, Tricky Rick (owner of Gordon's 24 car, Busch's 5 car, the 25 of Vickers, and of course the 48 of Johnson) was convicted of bribery and fraud in 1997, then made a donation to Clinton and was pardoned. Looking at the 48 team over the last few years they are fully engaged in fraud (cheating), and now it looks like bribery again.

A sad day for NASCAR.

[Third and Long]

So you are telling me they didn't penalize Johnson? Did't he say himself he figured they would?

[grizbeer]

No Penalty for the team. Knauss is suspended for 4 weeks (2 more races), but he just can't be at the track, he can be at the shop, set up the car, and have full communication with the team at the track. And a $25k fine.

Hall of Fame racing, a new team owned by Roger Stuabach and Troy Aikmen had an illegal carburetor, and was fined plus lost 25 points. Gibbs provided the car and will appeal.

last year Harvick's cc was suspended for 4 races for a penalty that only provided help in qualifying, and docked 25 points.

Also NASCAR isn't the one that found the violation, it was Kevin Harvick who reported the violation to NASCAR. NASCAR would have let them pass.

Lowes can't afford to not win a championship this year, and it looks like NASCAR is accommodating them. Any championship by the 48 this year is a scam.

[saint0917]

How can you explain the non-penalty for the 48 car? No points at all? The only explanation is Tricky Rick bribed NASCAR.

For those that don't know, Tricky Rick (owner of Gordon's 24 car, Busch's 5 car, the 25 of Vickers, and of course the 48 of Johnson) was convicted of bribery and fraud in 1997, then made a donation to Clinton and was pardoned. Looking at the 48 team over the last few years they are fully engaged in fraud (cheating), and now it looks like bribery again.

A sad day for NASCAR.

The only thing I can think of as to why there were no points taken away was because the infraction happened in "pre-race" inspection, if it were found in "post race" inspection I think NASCAR would have taken points away. And Chad Knaus was fined $25,000.http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/02/21/jjohnson_cknaus/index.html

[saint0917]

What NASCAR should do is kicked Tony Stewart out for good, here's a guy who was preaching safety all week long and here he wrecks Gordon, and then wrecks Kenseth going 190 MPH. The guy is a jerk off and someone needs to take him behind the barn and beat his a$$:nod: :asswhip:

[grizbeer]

The only thing I can think of as to why there were no points taken away was because the infraction happened in "pre-race" inspection, if it were found in "post race" inspection I think NASCAR would have taken points away. And Chad Knaus was fined $25,000.http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/02/21/jjohnson_cknaus/index.htmlThey took 25 points from HOF racing, and that was pre-race as well. Harvick's fuel cell last year was pre-race and he lot points as well.They said they didn't take parts away because it wasn't a part problem, something you could hold in your hand - it doesn't make any sense, since they have taken points away and impounded cars (pre-race) for cars not meeting templates, so I don't see how this is any different. The only difference i see is that Lowes is a huge sponsor, and with Home Depot getting the championship last year they are under a lot of pressure to Lowes one as well.

NASCAR is trying to spin this as a severe penalty when in fact it is meaningless. Shame on NASCAR.

[grizbeer]

What NASCAR should do is kicked Tony Stewart out for good, here's a guy who was preaching safety all week long and here he wrecks Gordon, and then wrecks Kenseth going 190 MPH. The guy is a jerk off and someone needs to take him behind the barn and beat his a$$:nod: :asswhip:
Agree completely - even during the Bud Shootout Tony intentionally ran someone down on the apron (I think it was Kyle Busch). Tony complaining about rough driving is the same as Tony complaining about whining - he is the king of both.

[UNHWildCats]

How can you explain the non-penalty for the 48 car? No points at all? The only explanation is Tricky Rick bribed NASCAR.

For those that don't know, Tricky Rick (owner of Gordon's 24 car, Busch's 5 car, the 25 of Vickers, and of course the 48 of Johnson) was convicted of bribery and fraud in 1997, then made a donation to Clinton and was pardoned. Looking at the 48 team over the last few years they are fully engaged in fraud (cheating), and now it looks like bribery again.

A sad day for NASCAR.

First off Jimmie Johnson did nothing wrong so he shouldnt be penalized by losing points. Second, Nothing Knaus has done is illegal, but instead pushing the limits of what is legal which pisses NASCAR off. The 48 car was inspected prior to the qualifying race and had to start at the rear. Johnson earned his starting spot with a legal car. The car was inspected follwoing the qualifying race and passed, it was inspected prior to the 500 and passed, Johnson legally won the 500 with a legal car, following the race his car received the most thorough inspection in NASCAR history taking over 2 and 1/2 hours to complete, and guess what IT PASSED.

So maybe you should take your whining about Jimmie Johnson and Rick Hendrick to the Ryan Newman message board.

[saint0917]

They took 25 points from HOF racing, and that was pre-race as well. Harvick's fuel cell last year was pre-race and he lot points as well.They said they didn't take parts away because it wasn't a part problem, something you could hold in your hand - it doesn't make any sense, since they have taken points away and impounded cars (pre-race) for cars not meeting templates, so I don't see how this is any different. The only difference i see is that Lowes is a huge sponsor, and with Home Depot getting the championship last year they are under a lot of pressure to Lowes one as well.

NASCAR is trying to spin this as a severe penalty when in fact it is meaningless. Shame on NASCAR.

All very good points, Lowes must be sliding NASCAR some green under the table.

[saint0917]

Second, Nothing Knaus has done is illegal, but instead pushing the limits of what is legal which pisses NASCAR off.

Are you sure about that??

The sanctioning body came down hard on crew chief Chad Knaus when he illegally rigged a device to raise the rear window of Jimmie Johnson's car in qualifying Sunday.

[grizbeer]

First off Jimmie Johnson did nothing wrong so he shouldnt be penalized by losing points. Second, Nothing Knaus has done is illegal, but instead pushing the limits of what is legal which pisses NASCAR off. The 48 car was inspected prior to the qualifying race and had to start at the rear. Johnson earned his starting spot with a legal car. The car was inspected follwoing the qualifying race and passed, it was inspected prior to the 500 and passed, Johnson legally won the 500 with a legal car, following the race his car received the most thorough inspection in NASCAR history taking over 2 and 1/2 hours to complete, and guess what IT PASSED.


So last year when Kevin Harvick's crew chief blocked off 1/2 the fuel tank for qualifying, Harvick did nothing wrong so he shouldn't have been penalized points? you remember that race, Johnson won it with a car that FAILED post race inspection - remember, Knaus was suspended then as well, but after appealing the penalty it was changed to probation?

I'm not sure why you don't think the 48 car was illegal after the qualifying run - that is the first I have heard that it was a loophole (like the shocks which caused the 48 to not pass post-race inspection after his win at Dover) and not a rule infraction - care to elaborate?

[Third and Long]

What NASCAR should do is kicked Tony Stewart out for good, here's a guy who was preaching safety all week long and here he wrecks Gordon, and then wrecks Kenseth going 190 MPH. The guy is a jerk off and someone needs to take him behind the barn and beat his a$$:nod: :asswhip:
Never have liked Stewart.

[UNHWildCats]

So last year when Kevin Harvick's crew chief blocked off 1/2 the fuel tank for qualifying, Harvick did nothing wrong so he shouldn't have been penalized points? you remember that race, Johnson won it with a car that FAILED post race inspection - remember, Knaus was suspended then as well, but after appealing the penalty it was changed to probation?

I'm not sure why you don't think the 48 car was illegal after the qualifying run - that is the first I have heard that it was a loophole (like the shocks which caused the 48 to not pass post-race inspection after his win at Dover) and not a rule infraction - care to elaborate?


Go back and read they reduced the suspension to probabtion cause it wasnt a breaking of rules, he simply went down a road that wasnt clearly marked off as being not allowed. Yes after Johnsons qualifying run (that in the Daytona 500 only sets the front row) his car failed inspection. The car was taken apart completely and rebuilt, he then started last in his qualifying race with a car that passed pre and post race inspections, he then won the daytona 500 form a starting position that was determined by a legit car in the qualifying race. his car passed both pre and post race inspections and as i said before the post race inspection was the most in depth inspection IN NASCAR HISTORY and it PASSED!

[saint0917]

Never have liked Stewart.

I liked Stewart at one time, I even had a Home Depot hat, but when he started with all his crap "rough driving" it pi$$ed me off so I threw his hat in the trash. I'm a Dale Jarrett fan :nod:

http://www.dalejarrett.com/images/crew_daytona.jpg

[Georgia Griz]

No Penalty for the team. Knauss is suspended for 4 weeks (2 more races), but he just can't be at the track, he can be at the shop, set up the car, and have full communication with the team at the track. And a $25k fine.

Hall of Fame racing, a new team owned by Roger Stuabach and Troy Aikmen had an illegal carburetor, and was fined plus lost 25 points. Gibbs provided the car and will appeal.

last year Harvick's cc was suspended for 4 races for a penalty that only provided help in qualifying, and docked 25 points.

Also NASCAR isn't the one that found the violation, it was Kevin Harvick who reported the violation to NASCAR. NASCAR would have let them pass.

Lowes can't afford to not win a championship this year, and it looks like NASCAR is accommodating them. Any championship by the 48 this year is a scam.

In my opinion, and maybe NASCAR's as well, any toying with the carburetor during a Restrictor Plate Race is much more severe than a rear window template infraction.

Also, having your crew chief suspended from track activities for a month might be just as bad, if not worse, than losing 25 points for a team like the #48. All of those points that would have been lost would have been regained when the Chase began.

I just can't believe their is so much energy being spent on talking about this. If you're a NASCAR fan, you know that these types of things happen all of the time. NASCAR reported yesterday that it found several pre-qualifying and pre-race infractions in the Busch and Craftsman Series as well from the weekend. I don't think any of those teams lost points.

It's as simple as this: Johnson won the 500 with a legal car. He is a legitimate Daytona champion. But, with that being said, NASCAR does play favorites. And I'm afraid it is heading in the direction of pro wrestling.

[FightinBluHen51]

First off Jimmie Johnson did nothing wrong so he shouldnt be penalized by losing points. Second, Nothing Knaus has done is illegal, but instead pushing the limits of what is legal which pisses NASCAR off. The 48 car was inspected prior to the qualifying race and had to start at the rear. Johnson earned his starting spot with a legal car. The car was inspected follwoing the qualifying race and passed, it was inspected prior to the 500 and passed, Johnson legally won the 500 with a legal car, following the race his car received the most thorough inspection in NASCAR history taking over 2 and 1/2 hours to complete, and guess what IT PASSED.

So maybe you should take your whining about Jimmie Johnson and Rick Hendrick to the Ryan Newman message board.
You do realise that every car after every race goes through an extensive post race tech, and 2.5 hours is not "historical".

Again, explain to me how you can apply rules and hand out fines AND point deducts to one team but only a monetary fine to another??? Come on, yall are defending inequality? I didn't think that's what AGS was about?

Someone explain how Jeff Gordon who ran Stewart up high and into the wall makes it Stewart's fault???

[FightinBluHen51]

In my opinion, and maybe NASCAR's as well, any toying with the carburetor during a Restrictor Plate Race is much more severe than a rear window template infraction.

Also, having your crew chief suspended from track activities for a month might be just as bad, if not worse, than losing 25 points for a team like the #48. All of those points that would have been lost would have been regained when the Chase began.

I just can't believe their is so much energy being spent on talking about this. If you're a NASCAR fan, you know that these types of things happen all of the time. NASCAR reported yesterday that it found several pre-qualifying and pre-race infractions in the Busch and Craftsman Series as well from the weekend. I don't think any of those teams lost points.

It's as simple as this: Johnson won the 500 with a legal car. He is a legitimate Daytona champion. But, with that being said, NASCAR does play favorites. And I'm afraid it is heading in the direction of pro wrestling.
I beg to differ about the areo (window) vs hp (carb) argument. The air is SO important on those cars, that if you can dial the drag out and get the downforce where you need it the most (especially for Daytona), there is no trade off (and actually, I'd rather have better areo as you don't have to have AS much HP which can actually help you in the draft if the carb isn't getting all the air as it's blocked off from the car in front somewhat). Point is, mainly this, both are still cheating. Period. Penalise one team one way, and other another is not right, unless it is clearly written in the rule book that if you do A then the penalty is X if you do B the penalty is Z.

[Third and Long]

I liked Stewart at one time, I even had a Home Depot hat, but when he started with all his crap "rough driving" it pi$$ed me off so I threw his hat in the trash. I'm a Dale Jarrett fan :nod:

http://www.dalejarrett.com/images/crew_daytona.jpg
I was a Jeff Gordon fan until he got divorced over all that ( I really don't remember what it was; I just didn't like it at the time). So I am a Dale Jarrett fan also.

[saint0917]

I was a Jeff Gordon fan until he got divorced over all that ( I really don't remember what it was; I just didn't like it at the time). So I am a Dale Jarrett fan also.

You da man :nod: