SoCon All-Conference Teams Announced

[AppAlum2003]

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2010 Coaches All-Southern Conference Football Team
Offensive Player of the Year - DeAndre Presley, Jr., QB, Appalachian State
Defensive Player of the Year - Ameet Pall, Jr., DL, Wofford
Freshman of the Year - Kadeem Wise, DB, Chattanooga
Jacobs Blocking Award - Pat Illig, Sr., Wofford
Coach of the Year - Jerry Moore, Appalachian State

First Team Offense
QB DeAndre Presley, Jr., Appalachian State
QB (tie) Scott Riddle, Sr., Elon
RB Chris Evans, Sr., Samford
RB Eric Breitenstein, So., Wofford
OL Daniel Kilgore, Sr., Appalachian State
OL Rodney Austin, Jr., Elon
OL Brett Moore, Jr., Georgia Southern
OL Chris Harr, Sr., Chattanooga
OL Pat Illig, Sr., Wofford
TE Garrett Hughes, Sr., Chattanooga
WR Aaron Mellette, So., Elon
WR Adam Mims, Sr., Furman

First Team Defense
DL Jabari Fletcher, Sr., Appalachian State
DL Erik Clanton, Sr., The Citadel
DL Brent Russell, So., Georgia Southern
DL Ameet Pall, Jr., Wofford
LB D.J. Smith, Sr., Appalachian State
LB Kadarron Anderson, Jr., Furman
LB Bryce Smith, Sr., Samford
DB Mark LeGree, Sr., Appalachian State
DB Ryan Steed, Jr., Furman
DB Laron Scott, Jr., Georgia Southern
DB Buster Skrine, Sr., Chattanooga

First Team Specialists
PK Jason Vitaris, Sr., Appalachian State
P Charlie Edwards, Jr., Georgia Southern
RS Laron Scott, Jr., Georgia Southern

Second Team Offense
QB B.J. Coleman, Jr., Chattanooga
RB Travaris Cadet, Jr., Appalachian State
RB Terrell Dallas, Jr., The Citadel
OL Brett Irvin, Sr., Appalachian State
OL Orry Frye, Jr., Appalachian State
OL John Rubertone, Sr., Elon
OL Thomas Gray, Sr., Samford
OL Clark Bishop, Sr., Wofford
TE Ben Jorden, Jr., Appalachian State
WR Brian Quick, Jr., Appalachian State
WR Joel Bradford, Jr., Chattanooga

Second Team Defense
DL John Michael Clay, Sr., Samford
DL Roderick Tinsley, Jr., Georgia Southern
DL Chris Donald, Jr., Chattanooga
DL Jordan Gibson, Sr., Elon
LB Brandon Wiggins, Sr., Elon
LB Josh Rowe, So., Georgia Southern
LB Ryan Consiglio, Jr., Chattanooga
DB Ed Gainey, Jr., Appalachian State
DB Cortez Allen, Sr., The Citadel
DB Mitchell Bell, Sr., Western Carolina
DB Tommy Irvin, Sr., Wofford

Second Team Specialists
PK Ray Early, Fr., Furman
P Blake Cain, Jr., Western Carolina
RS Travaris Cadet, Jr., Appalachian State

[Eaglesrus]

Glad to see that between this and the all-freshman team we have 8 guys who will be back next year, and one of those is listed twice. Would be 9 but they have Brett Moore listed as a junior and I'm pretty sure he's a senior (hope I'm wrong). Didn't count theirs, but Chattanooga appears to have a bunch, also.

[Reign of Terrier]

I hate to be the guy that brings this up, but why in the heck is Jerry Moore coach of the year? granted he's a great coach but really it should go to Monken or Ayers. At best Moore met expectations, and out of the 3 coaches I just listed he is the only one would technically did worse than he did last year.

[Apps03]

Do you guys consider recruiting part of coaching?

[biggie]

Moore: Replacing great QB and almost completely new coaching staff with new schemes/alignments and still winning the conference against improving competition.

[AppAlum2003]

Yeah, I really don't like that (on all levels of sports) the Coach of the Year award has turned into the "You've proved the media prognosticators wrong" award. That means that if expectations are high before a season, then the coach must not be any better than the other coaches if his team wins the conference.

[Baldy]

Glad to see that between this and the all-freshman team we have 8 guys who will be back next year, and one of those is listed twice. Would be 9 but they have Brett Moore listed as a junior and I'm pretty sure he's a senior (hope I'm wrong). Didn't count theirs, but Chattanooga appears to have a bunch, also.

Moore is a Junior.

[Reign of Terrier]

Moore: Replacing great QB and almost completely new coaching staff with new schemes/alignments and still winning the conference against improving competition.

Monken: New staff, new system, old players, make the playoffs for the first time in years

Monken> Moore

The basic App/homer argument is that the team that wins has the best coach all the time or was do to a better coaching performance. I don't think so. A team can go undefeated with decent coaching as long as the talent is there, so a coach that is successful with less talent/talent not fitting a system is more deserving of the award in my opinion.

and the only ones who will disagree are App fansxnodx

[Apps03]

check the other coach of the year thread. I said Monken should be considered for the award and I would have no problem had he received this one or the national award as he did a great job getting GSU into the playoffs quicker than anyone of us would have guessed or hoped (minus GSUers of course). I wouldn't have any issue if Ayers received the award either. My beef is with people saying Moore doesn't deserve it because his roster is loaded with talent. Coaching isn't a Sept. - November/December job.

[Reign of Terrier]

check the other coach of the year thread. I said Monken should be considered for the award and I would have no problem had he received this one or the national award as he did a great job getting GSU into the playoffs quicker than anyone of us would have guessed or hoped (minus GSUers of course). I wouldn't have any issue if Ayers received the award either. My beef is with people saying Moore doesn't deserve it because his roster is loaded with talent. Coaching isn't a Sept. - November/December job.

I understand the argument....but it is the coach of the year award, as in 2010. How many freshmen did App have on the 2 deep? most of their talented players were recruited in years past. Monken on the other hand recruited his players this year and had them playing to the playoffs

[GaSouthern]

Monken: New staff, new system, old players, make the playoffs for the first time in years

Monken> Moore

The basic App/homer argument is that the team that wins has the best coach all the time. I don't think so. A team can go undefeated with decent coaching as long as the talent is there, so a coach that is successful with less talent/talent not fitting a system is more deserving of the award in my opinion.

and the only ones who will disagree are App fansxnodx

I'm sorry, Monken did great but He is 2nd.

Coach of the year - Ayers
2nd - Monken
3rd - Huessman
4th - Moore

[Reign of Terrier]

I'm sorry, Monken did great but He is 2nd.

Coach of the year - Ayers
2nd - Monken
3rd - Huessman
4th - Moore

I love the frowny face on your signature

[Saint3333]

Things to consider:

Moore recruited better than any other coach and won despite the best ever SoCon and arguably FCS QB and two key Asst. coaches left.

Ayers did what some thought he would do in 2010 (lots of injuries in 2009). Ayers certainly didn't outcoach Moore one week this year even considering the talent gap.

Monken "outcoached" Moore one week this year and got more out of his team than any other SoCon coach. I couldn't have argued giving it to him and personally would have been my vote with Moore 2nd.

[insideout08]

I'm sorry, Monken did great but He is 2nd.

Coach of the year - Ayers
2nd - Monken
3rd - Huessman
4th - Moore

Just to play devil's advocate here, why Huesman above Moore? Chattanooga has the same record this year (6-5) as last year when he won the award.

I do believe that he has done a great job there and has built a good program in a short period of time.

[Reign of Terrier]

Things to consider:


Ayers did what some thought he would do in 2010 (lots of injuries in 2009). .



that's the way you spin "he turned a 3-8 team to a 9-2 team" to not much of an accomplishment xwhistlex

[seantaylor]

Where is Derek Heyden? No way there are 4 safeties better in the league.

[Horseshoe App]

Waiting on Elon fans. Scott Riddle is the best ever and did not make first or second team all conference. Any second now the blasting will start!!!

[Horseshoe App]

Waiting on Elon fans. Scott Riddle is the best ever and did not make first or second team all conference. Any second now the blasting will start!!!

My mistake!! He tied with Deandre. Congratulations:)

[PhoenixMan]

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and the only ones who will disagree are App fansxnodx[/QUOTE]

I disagree, and I have a large degree of disdain and hatred for App St. football (mostly because of the obnoxious, condescending fans). To lose Armanti Edwards, when the offense has been based on him for 4 years, and not miss a beat, is a GREAT coaching job.

[PhoenixMan]

My mistake!! He tied with Deandre. Congratulations:)

I was just getting ready to jump your A&% too. Tied for first team QB. I was disappointed to see he wasn't also "tied" for player of the year, but a 6-5 record killed that.

[GaSouthern]

Just to play devil's advocate here, why Huesman above Moore? Chattanooga has the same record this year (6-5) as last year when he won the award.

I do believe that he has done a great job there and has built a good program in a short period of time.

You won me over, Moore 3rd.

[Eaglesrus]

Moore is a Junior.

Excellent! I thought we had one senior starting on the O-line and he was it. Maybe I was thinking of Gourdeau but he isn't starting now if he did at all. Anyway, all of them coming back then, even better.

[GSUhooligan]

I disagree, and I have a large degree of disdain and hatred for App St. football (mostly because of the obnoxious, condescending fans). To lose Armanti Edwards, when the offense has been based on him for 4 years, and not miss a beat, is a GREAT coaching job.

It's not like Presley is a true freshman.

[PhoenixMan]

It's not like Presley is a true freshman.
True. Not to mention he and Brian Quick will both turn 34 years old on the next birthday.xnodxxlolx

[Baldy]

Excellent! I thought we had one senior starting on the O-line and he was it. Maybe I was thinking of Gourdeau but he isn't starting now if he did at all. Anyway, all of them coming back then, even better.
Byrd - Fr.
Moore - Jr.
Byrne - So.
Mann - Jr.
Maxwell Jr.
Debartola - So.

Then you have Lonas as another true freshman who saw tons of playing time too...

[SpeedkingATL]

Monken would have gotten my vote, especially with the coaching job he did against App this year. I would have voted Moore ahead of Ayers for the same reason. All three did a heck of a job this year and have the playoff slots to prove it.

No doubt The Whee's Wagner would have gotten "best dressed".

[smallcollegefbfan]

Monken: New staff, new system, old players, make the playoffs for the first time in years

Monken> Moore

The basic App/homer argument is that the team that wins has the best coach all the time or was do to a better coaching performance. I don't think so. A team can go undefeated with decent coaching as long as the talent is there, so a coach that is successful with less talent/talent not fitting a system is more deserving of the award in my opinion.

and the only ones who will disagree are App fansxnodx

I am with you that Moore should not have been coach of the year. Actually, Ayers or Monken should be. I would lean towards Monken because nobody expected him to do what he did. Many of us did expect Ayers to lead Wofford back to the playoffs. Although, I will argue that if you look at the athletic ability of his players he doesn't have the speed or athletes that ASU, GSU, UTC, or Furman has but yet he beat all of them but ASU and tied for the SoCon title.

There is no doubt that Ayers or Monken should be named COY for this year with the jobs they have done. Now, if you are naming a coach of the decade for the SoCon there is no question Jerry Moore should win that vote unanimously.

[chattanoogamocs]

Just to play devil's advocate here, why Huesman above Moore? Chattanooga has the same record this year (6-5) as last year when he won the award.

I do believe that he has done a great job there and has built a good program in a short period of time.

Well, if all you did was look at a record, then I guess I could understand. But when you dig deeper and realize that the Mocs played a weak schedule to get to 6 wins last season (but still, to go from 1-11 to 6-5 was impressive)...and had one of the toughest schedules in the country this year. You could understand while the record might be the same, the road to it was infinitely harder.

Chattanooga 2009 OOC: Glenville State, Presbyterian and Alabama. 2010: EKU, JSU and Auburn

Mocs finished with more SoCon wins than last year too. All in all, a much better resume of work.

That being said, I don't actually have a problem with Huesman being behind Moore, just wanted to point out it is kind of silly to just look at record and make a blanket statement with no actual research (sadly, that is what most people do when voting in polls or picking post-season teams)

[Blueandwhitefightfight]

Where is Adrian Mora????? He made all of his extra points and only missed one field goal all year and he doesn't get a shout??? What??

I think Monken should be coach of the year. Last year we were not very good. We just shifted from a pro style offense to the triple option and in one year made the playoffs AND knocked off the #1 team in the country. He inherited a team full of players that had never played option ball and had never made the playoffs (not a single player on our team was here in 2005, last time we made it).

The spring game was UGLY. We all thought for sure if we won 4 or 5 games it would be a miracle.

But with a team full of freshmen, and upperclassmen who had to learn the system from scratch he pulled it off.

He restored faith in our team. Brought back all of the old traditions and started new ones (like bringing the team over to the student section after the game, win or lose, to sing the alma mater with us).

Monken brought back Georgia Southern's identity. Jerry Moore just kept it going for App. Ayers did a great job w/ Wofford as they were awful last year. Huessman deserves credit for improving Chattanooga as well. But start to finish, no coach did more in 2010 than Jeff Monken and his staff.

[Skjellyfetti]

and the only ones who will disagree are App fansxnodx

SoCon coaches obviously disagree. xwhistlex

[chattanoogamocs]

I usually don't nit pick this kinda stuff...post-season awards are pretty much a beauty pageant. But it is a bit of a head scratcher that Joel Bradford was not a first team WR.

You can argue back and forth with Mellette because their stats are very similar...but Mims? Bradford had FIVE HUNDRED more yards of receiving than Mims. Bradford is 2nd in the nation yards per game (and led the SoCon in avg per game and total yards).

Somebody tell me what I am missing with Mims? Seriously, I'm not trying to flame...I just don't get it. Maybe someone else can explain it to me...someone from Furman come to his defense.

All in all, the Mocs have to be ecstatic...between 1st, 2nd and freshman teams, 12 Mocs made the list(s)...9 of them will be back next year.

The big bonus is that the Mocs are close to being out of APR purgatory...Chattanooga should get back almost all of their scholarships for next year (which will finally put a close on the Rodney Allison era)

[Reign of Terrier]

I usually don't nit pick this kinda stuff...post-season awards are pretty much a beauty pageant. But it is a bit of a head scratcher that Joel Bradford was not a first team WR.

You can argue back and forth with Mellette because their stats are very similar...but Mims? Bradford had FIVE HUNDRED more yards of receiving than Mims. Bradford is 2nd in the nation yards per game (and led the SoCon in avg per game and total yards).

Somebody tell me what I am missing with Mims? Seriously, I'm not trying to flame...I just don't get it. Maybe someone else can explain it to me...someone from Furman come to his defense.

All in all, the Mocs have to be ecstatic...between 1st, 2nd and freshman teams, 12 Mocs made the list(s)...9 of them will be back next year.

The big bonus is that the Mocs are close to being out of APR purgatory...Chattanooga should get back almost all of their scholarships for next year (which will finally put a close on the Rodney Allison era)

the conference champion and traditional powers always gets the upperhand in terms of post season selections....with your new found success you'll have to get used to it

[chattanoogamocs]

the conference champion and traditional powers always gets the upperhand in terms of post season selections....with your new found success you'll have to get used to it

"Traditional power" Furman had a whopping 4 selections out of 50. So obviously people they weren't biased by the once mighty Furman name.

[insideout08]

Well, if all you did was look at a record, then I guess I could understand. But when you dig deeper and realize that the Mocs played a weak schedule to get to 6 wins last season (but still, to go from 1-11 to 6-5 was impressive)...and had one of the toughest schedules in the country this year. You could understand while the record might be the same, the road to it was infinitely harder.

Chattanooga 2009 OOC: Glenville State, Presbyterian and Alabama. 2010: EKU, JSU and Auburn

Mocs finished with more SoCon wins than last year too. All in all, a much better resume of work.

That being said, I don't actually have a problem with Huesman being behind Moore, just wanted to point out it is kind of silly to just look at record and make a blanket statement with no actual research (sadly, that is what most people do when voting in polls or picking post-season teams)

I agree with your point, and it's certainly not a blanket statement with no research. I know exactly who you played and how you did. The truth is that he wins the award if not for the fourth quarter collapses against JSU and ASU. He has done a good job, and I think he would've been fourth on a coach of the year ballot if I had one.

The UTC team was clearly better this year than last year...but not Coach of the Year type better.

[insideout08]

I usually don't nit pick this kinda stuff...post-season awards are pretty much a beauty pageant. But it is a bit of a head scratcher that Joel Bradford was not a first team WR.

You can argue back and forth with Mellette because their stats are very similar...but Mims? Bradford had FIVE HUNDRED more yards of receiving than Mims. Bradford is 2nd in the nation yards per game (and led the SoCon in avg per game and total yards).

Somebody tell me what I am missing with Mims? Seriously, I'm not trying to flame...I just don't get it. Maybe someone else can explain it to me...someone from Furman come to his defense.

All in all, the Mocs have to be ecstatic...between 1st, 2nd and freshman teams, 12 Mocs made the list(s)...9 of them will be back next year.

The big bonus is that the Mocs are close to being out of APR purgatory...Chattanooga should get back almost all of their scholarships for next year (which will finally put a close on the Rodney Allison era)

I won't pretend to know why the coaches voted for him over Bradford. I will say that he was Furman's best offensive player this year by a wide margin, and our offense struggled MIGHTILY when he was out with injury (see, second half against GSU on Saturday). Maybe he did things that coaches would notice but wouldn't necessarily show up in the stats - I don't know.

Bradford certainly had a fantastic game against us.

[blazrdog#1]

imagine that?!...a certain Appy fan and his CAA buddies won't be happy.xnodx

[Milktruck74]

Mims over Bradford was a suprise, but you have to take into account SR vs JR. I'm not saying I agree, but I'm sure it crossed some minds in the voting process.

I'm sure his 2011 First Team certificate will look really nice beside the other hardware.... Looking forward to 2011.

[chattanoogamocs]

Mims over Bradford was a suprise, but you have to take into account SR vs JR. I'm not saying I agree, but I'm sure it crossed some minds in the voting process.

I'm sure his 2011 First Team certificate will look really nice beside the other hardware.... Looking forward to 2011.

I actually thought that same thing (picking a Senior over a Junior)...but the other first teamer, Mellette, is a Sophomore. So that kinda blows that theory.

Usually when something like this happens, the media will make the correction in their picks to even it out. I'll betcha Bradford makes first team media.

I think the other coaches didn't like Bradford because he was sneaky, sneaky. :)

[phoenixphanatic21]

I usually don't nit pick this kinda stuff...post-season awards are pretty much a beauty pageant. But it is a bit of a head scratcher that Joel Bradford was not a first team WR.

You can argue back and forth with Mellette because their stats are very similar...but Mims? Bradford had FIVE HUNDRED more yards of receiving than Mims. Bradford is 2nd in the nation yards per game (and led the SoCon in avg per game and total yards).

Somebody tell me what I am missing with Mims? Seriously, I'm not trying to flame...I just don't get it. Maybe someone else can explain it to me...someone from Furman come to his defense.



My best guess is that Mims didn't have a quarterback consistantly throwing to him, as Furman went through like three QBs over the course of the year while Bradford had B.J. Coleman throwing to him. It's the only thing I could think of, and I still don't argee with it.

[phoenixphanatic21]

I was just getting ready to jump your A&% too. Tied for first team QB. I was disappointed to see he wasn't also "tied" for player of the year, but a 6-5 record killed that.

Copy and paste this post.

I also think Brandon Wiggins deserved to be named to the first team, but besides that, I have no complaints with the selections this year.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

The coach of the year award should be exactly that...the coach of the year. App. State isn't in an offensive transition year and their impact players were all signed well before 2010. If the CotY award isn't an award with what you do versus expectations, then why not just give it to the coach who wins the SoCon every year?

[Milktruck74]

I actually thought that same thing (picking a Senior over a Junior)...but the other first teamer, Mellette, is a Sophomore. So that kinda blows that theory.

Usually when something like this happens, the media will make the correction in their picks to even it out. I'll betcha Bradford makes first team media.

I think the other coaches didn't like Bradford because he was sneaky, sneaky. :)

Good Call, just saw the Media's picks and "You are WISE, oh Sensi!!!" Bradford was 1st team. I guess he just "SNUCK" in there.

[Milktruck74]

I do find it interesting that an All-Conference Players thread is dominated by Coach of the year discussion. I'd bet that Most coaches that were in the running for COTY (the good ones) would prefer less emphasas on them and more recognition on their players.

[Reign of Terrier]

I do find it interesting that an All-Conference Players thread is dominated by Coach of the year discussion. I'd bet that Most coaches that were in the running for COTY (the good ones) would prefer less emphasas on them and more recognition on their players.

ok then, why does Wofford have the #1 defense but only 2 players on D all conferencexlolx

that's only gonna hurt Jacksonville State

[Milktruck74]

ok then, why does Wofford have the #1 defense but only 2 players on D all conferencexlolx

that's only gonna hurt Jacksonville State

Similar to why El Cid, Sammy, and the Catamounts have individual players selected. Your D is as good as its weakest player...and this year that guy is pretty darn good!!! Great individuals don't equate to team success, and great teams don't need great individuals to be great!!!!

[Apps03]

by that logic, whoever has the best defense should have all the players on the all defense team. Obviously it doesn't work that way.

[AshevilleApp]

Agree on the App picks except Cadet - don't see him as a 2nd Team RB. Also questionable on Gainey althouh he was solid

[Reign of Terrier]

by that logic, whoever has the best defense should have all the players on the all defense team. Obviously it doesn't work that way.

same could be said about coaching XD but I'm not beating a dead horse

[Blueandwhitefightfight]

And "who has the best defense" depends on whether you look at yards given up per game or points given up per game.

Wofford gave up the least amount of yards per game in the SoCon.

Georgia Southern gave up the least amount of points per game in the SoCon.

[eaglewraith]

And "who has the best defense" depends on whether you look at yards given up per game or points given up per game.

Wofford gave up the least amount of yards per game in the SoCon.

Georgia Southern gave up the least amount of points per game in the SoCon.

Well....seeing as how we don't gauge who wins by most yards gained.....

[Blueandwhitefightfight]

Well....seeing as how we don't gauge who wins by most yards gained.....

My thoughts exactly.

[EagleTrump]

I really agree with the comment that Moore should get coach of the decade. He's recruited good talent and maintained an excellent program. But that's what he did this year, he maintained. I'm sure if he had stepped down and another coach had come in, App wouldn't have done too shabby. He had spent the last decade strengthening that program. Ayers also maintained a good program this year. He had done the work in the past to keep Wofford in a very nice spot for conference and playoff contention. That being said, I think Huesman and Monken are doing great jobs building their programs. I wasn't able to attend but the spring scrimmage was not a topic of good discussion in Statesboro. GSU quickly put itself into the rankings and stayed their for most of the season and managed a playoff spot (first since 2005). UTC is also still improving and playing a more difficult schedule. And while the schedule itself may be more up to the AD, the coach and team have risen to the occasion. Huesman is also doing a great job with his guys off the field and with the community. If you'd like, just google some articles about his "extra-curriculars."

I do think it's rather funny that of the three option teams in the conference, the only rusher from those schools selected was Breitenstein on the first team.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Agree on the App picks except Cadet - don't see him as a 2nd Team RB. Also questionable on Gainey althouh he was solid

Cadet is a very good athlete. They should have put an all-purpose position on there and he and Mims of Furman certainly would have gotten it.

I was surprised by Gainey. He got his on rep from last year. I thought Troy Sanders was better than Gainey in the few games I saw and should have been on the list instead.

[Milktruck74]

Unfortunately the coaches and media usually only base All conf honors on the 1 or two games they played against the players. If a RB rushes for 12 yards on 9 attempts every week and then hangs 170 on your team in you opinion he is an all american. I think Fans see more players than the average media writer and I know they see more then the average coach.....

[smallcollegefbfan]

Unfortunately the coaches and media usually only base All conf honors on the 1 or two games they played against the players. If a RB rushes for 12 yards on 9 attempts every week and then hangs 170 on your team in you opinion he is an all american. I think Fans see more players than the average media writer and I know they see more then the average coach.....

When it comes to the media that is probably true, except for a couple who I'm sure watch a lot of games. However, that is not true for coaches. Yes, for example Mike Ayers only saw Chattanooga once live but coaches spend hours watching tape of their opponents and probably watch as many games as possible. The only time this year that I can think of off the top of my head that the coaches probably saw just one game of an opponent this season would be UTC and ASU. Everyone else had more than one game to evaluate their opponents. For example when Furman and GSU played the last week of the season I bet you Lamb and Monken watched most of the season or at least the last several games of each other's teams to prepare.

[Milktruck74]

When it comes to the media that is probably true, except for a couple who I'm sure watch a lot of games. However, that is not true for coaches. Yes, for example Mike Ayers only saw Chattanooga once live but coaches spend hours watching tape of their opponents and probably watch as many games as possible. The only time this year that I can think of off the top of my head that the coaches probably saw just one game of an opponent this season would be UTC and ASU. Everyone else had more than one game to evaluate their opponents. For example when Furman and GSU played the last week of the season I bet you Lamb and Monken watched most of the season or at least the last several games of each other's teams to prepare.

Ok, I'll give you that they have seen other schools, but have watched plenty of film, you really dont look at individual performances and single players, you are looking schemes, formations, what plays are run out of different formations, not players.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Ok, I'll give you that they have seen other schools, but have watched plenty of film, you really dont look at individual performances and single players, you are looking schemes, formations, what plays are run out of different formations, not players.

Actually, that is not true either. Just ask a coach. While yes they are looking at schemes they notice the great players and scheme around them. They also notice the players who constantly make plays in the scheme and warn their players of that particular player.

Ask SoCon coaches about Adrian Peterson at GSU, Armanti Edwards at App, Louis Ivory at Furman, Dexter Coakley at App, Terrell Owens at UTC, etc. and I guarantee you they all schemed around those and the other greats in the league. While they aren't sitting down like a NFL scout evaluating every senior writing down their strengths and weaknesses they notice the truly great players.

For example in the CAA, ask DL coaches for opponents of Villanova about their left tackle Ben Ijalana. I guarantee you they know he is a beast, Nova likes to run behind him, and it is almost impossible to get around him. In fact if you watch Nova you can tell coaches scheme around him because the end on his side doesn't allow him to engulf them and they really test their other tackle much more because they know he can be beat a lot easier. Coaches scheme around great players and notice the top performers in their league.

[Milktruck74]

I agree with your point, and it's certainly not a blanket statement with no research. I know exactly who you played and how you did. The truth is that he wins the award if not for the fourth quarter collapses against JSU and ASU. He has done a good job, and I think he would've been fourth on a coach of the year ballot if I had one.

The UTC team was clearly better this year than last year...but not Coach of the Year type better.


Going form 1-11 to 6-5 is COY performance, going 6-5 vs weak OOC scheduling vs 6-5 vs strong OOC scheduling is NOT COY worthy improvement.

Now, next year.....SoCon Champs, and Playoffs, with a win in Boone...... THAT'S A COACH OF THE YEAR PERFORMANCE!!!!!