AGS Poll FCS Top 25 Results week 12

[AGSPoll]

Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25

(First place votes in parenthesis), Points
1. Appalachian St. (21) 1037
2. Eastern Washington (12) 1020
3. William & Mary (4) 978
4. Stephen F. Austin (3) 950
5. Montana St. (4) 937
6. Delaware 924
7. Wofford 829
8. New Hampshire 716
9. Villanova 696
10. Jacksonville St. 676
11. Southeast Missouri St. 672
12. South Carolina St. 526
13. Pennsylvania 523
14. Northern Iowa 466
15. Georgia Southern 454
16. Bethune-Cookman 355
17. Lehigh 354
18. Western Illinois 322
19. Montana 304
20. Liberty 258
21. North Dakota St. 199
22. Jacksonville 172
23. Cal Poly 148
24. Massachusetts 144
25. Robert Morris 135
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Dayton (18), James Madison (17), Chattanooga (14), Richmond (11), Florida A&M (8), Southern Utah (6), Central Arkansas (5),
MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Villanova
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: Delaware, Montana

[PantherRob82]

Wow, still 14?

[OhioHen]

Wow, still 14?

UNI fell 7 spots in my poll following the loss to WIU. Looks like the AQ was a bigger factor to some voters than this week's result.

[WileECoyote06]

Yall only dropped five in my poll. I had you #10 last week. So 14 - 15 seems about right.

[Mr. C]

By far the best of the polls throughout the season.

[TypicalTribe]

How many people voted before the JSU game ended or didn't realize they lost?

[RabidRabbit]

How many people voted before the JSU game ended or didn't realize they lost?

Mine was after the JSU result was known.

[Pard4Life]

This is a joke... I don't even have Lehigh ranked in my poll and I'm not being an anti-homer either. They are just not capable of playing WITH a good team... see Nova and UNH.

[Ivytalk]

Only 44 voters?xeyebrowx I did my duty, but I thought this week was the toughest poll of the season. At least I didn't pull the trigger until after the Jax State game.xscanx

[RabidRabbit]

Only 44 voters?xeyebrowx I did my duty, but I thought this week was the toughest poll of the season. At least I didn't pull the trigger until after the Jax State game.xscanx

Makes you wonder how many voters we lost due to the short voting window. Also would be interested in how many "lost rights" voters took the time to vote in this last critical vote.

To the 44 who did vote, WE SALUTE YOU! xbowxxbowx

[WileECoyote06]

Jacksonville State got the hammer in my poll. I'm surprised they are in the top ten. Two losses in three games; and although both losses were on the road. . .neither were within a touchdown.

As far as Lehigh, seven wins in a row is impressive.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Jacksonville State got the hammer in my poll. I'm surprised they are in the top ten. Two losses in three games; and although both losses were on the road. . .neither were within a touchdown.

As far as Lehigh, seven wins in a row is impressive.

Only reason I had JSU ahead of SEMO in mine was because they won and I considered their whole season. They did beat Ole Miss and had a streak going.

As for Lehigh winning seven in a row look at who they beat. They shouldn't be top 20 and I barely have them in my top 25. They can't play with the top 15 teams. I saw Villanova against them and Lehigh didn't look anywhere close to a top 15 team.

[WileECoyote06]

Only reason I had JSU ahead of SEMO in mine was because they won and I considered their whole season. They did beat Ole Miss and had a streak going.

As for Lehigh winning seven in a row look at who they beat. They shouldn't be top 20 and I barely have them in my top 25. They can't play with the top 15 teams. I saw Villanova against them and Lehigh didn't look anywhere close to a top 15 team.

They are number 17, which is higher than I voted them. But with the number of teams that lost who were probably just ahead of them (Montana, Richmond, UMass, Liberty, Chattanooga); they probably ascended by default.

[smallcollegefbfan]

They are number 17, which is higher than I voted them. But with the number of teams that lost who were probably just ahead of them (Montana, Richmond, UMass, Liberty, Chattanooga); they probably ascended by default.

That is probably why but I try to look at the whole season and how well certain teams did. If the number 23 team loses in overtime by 3 to the number 2 team I won't drop them but instead usually move them up a few spots. Most voters see a loss and automatically drop them.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

This is a joke... I don't even have Lehigh ranked in my poll and I'm not being an anti-homer either. They are just not capable of playing WITH a good team... see Nova and UNH.

We can always count on you, P4L, for bulletin board material. Even when Lehigh's not playing Lafayette. Thanks! xlolx

[WileECoyote06]

That is probably why but I try to look at the whole season and how well certain teams did. If the number 23 team loses in overtime by 3 to the number 2 team I won't drop them but instead usually move them up a few spots. Most voters see a loss and automatically drop them.

I can dig it; and you're right, at this point these things balance themselves out (as I said earlier in the season). In the case of Lehigh, the rest of their season (seven wins in a row); doesn't negate the two early CAA losses, but it does balance them out. Look at how long it took them to even get in the top 25. They've paid their dues.

[ngineer]

I am amazed at how people can rationalize what they want. Basing a team's evaluation on what they did the second week of September is ludicrous. Many teams get better as the season goes on (and some become downright stinky). The game at UNH was with the second string QB. No question that if Lehigh were to play either VU or UNH today, both games would be much closer. Your are what your record says you are and what you are doing now. To base final voting on games played 60 days ago makes no sense. And, yes, to not vote Lehigh at all in the poll is blatant anti-homerism or whatever you want to call it. You poor souls have to live another 363 days in purgatory, but at least you get to work on the sound system at Fishy Field for the next 9 months.

[WMTribe90]

JMU should be ranked in the top 25 for what its worth. They are 6-5 with wins over WM and VT. They lost several close games to ranked opponents.

[mcveyrl]

JMU should be ranked in the top 25 for what its worth. They are 6-5 with wins over WM and VT. They lost several close games to ranked opponents.

Yea, I didn't want to go all "homer" on this one, but I think so too. In the end it really doesn't matter, but we are one of the best 25 teams in the country.

[Ivytalk]

JMU should be ranked in the top 25 for what its worth. They are 6-5 with wins over WM and VT. They lost several close games to ranked opponents.

I guess it was the Mickey Matthews Factor.xcoolx

[Ivytalk]

I am amazed at how people can rationalize what they want. Basing a team's evaluation on what they did the second week of September is ludicrous. Many teams get better as the season goes on (and some become downright stinky). The game at UNH was with the second string QB. No question that if Lehigh were to play either VU or UNH today, both games would be much closer. Your are what your record says you are and what you are doing now. To base final voting on games played 60 days ago makes no sense. And, yes, to not vote Lehigh at all in the poll is blatant anti-homerism or whatever you want to call it. You poor souls have to live another 363 days in purgatory, but at least you get to work on the sound system at Fishy Field for the next 9 months.

ng, if Lehigh survives to fight against UD, send me a PM. Depending on the kickoff time, I might be able to make that game.xsmiley_wixxpeacex

[wmmii]

JMU should be ranked in the top 25 for what its worth. They are 6-5 with wins over WM and VT. They lost several close games to ranked opponents.

Agreed, think the emotional high of the VPI win ruined their season on top of the injuries.

[Milktruck74]

JMU should be ranked in the top 25 for what its worth. They are 6-5 with wins over WM and VT. They lost several close games to ranked opponents.

I would agree with you, but at this time of year alot of voters equate a top twenty-five ranking with playoff slots....even though they have nothing to do with each other. They dont want to rank a team that will not make the playoffs.

Throw the playoffs out, JMU would beat atleast 10 of the top 25 in head to head everytime, hence they should be a top 15 team.

[aceinthehole]

This is a joke... I don't even have Lehigh ranked in my poll and I'm not being an anti-homer either. They are just not capable of playing WITH a good team... see Nova and UNH.

I think Lehigh is top-25, but probably down around 22. But how can RMU be ranked so low compared to the PL, Big South, MEAC, PFL, and Ivy league champs?

[heath]

JMU should be ranked in the top 25 for what its worth. They are 6-5 with wins over WM and VT. They lost several close games to ranked opponents.

Amen 90,which team in the 1st round would really want to play them?...NONE

[soccerguy315]

To base final voting on games played 60 days ago makes no sense.

when do the games start counting for the final poll? Is all of September off limits? October too?

[Milktruck74]

when do the games start counting for the final poll? Is all of September off limits? October too?

I hate the term "body of work". Maybe you can reward a team for their record some, but all I care about is....Can the team that school A puts on the field THIS WEEK beat the team that school B fields?

[ngineer]

when do the games start counting for the final poll? Is all of September off limits? October too?

No one said games in September are 'off limits'. The post was in response to voters who said they based their vote soley on games played in September with no consideration that the quality of a team in late November can be considerably different than as it started the season.