Oregon plays "Sissy Boy" football

[JohnStOnge]

What a "fru fru" team. Yeah, they'll probably beat UCLA. But this is another example of why playoffs are needed. These guys would get KILLED by a true physical BCS leage football team.

[MSUDuo]

Yeah, because there is only one way to play football damnit!

[Reign of Terrier]

I highly doubt that.

[JohnStOnge]

Darn. I thought I'd get more of a reaction than that. But I will say that watching Oregon actually makes me wish Alabama had stayed undefeated and Oregon would win out so that we could see that clash of styles in a BCS championship game. It'd be an interesting matchup.

[Old Cat Fan]

Big ole Bama Defensive line would be sucking wind, keeping up with the pace that Oregon's offense operates at. xrotatehxxrotatehx

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Disagree there. I don't think there's any defense in the country that can stop that blitzkrieg that is the Oregon offense.

[seantaylor]

Disagree there. I don't think there's any defense in the country that can stop that blitzkrieg that is the Oregon offense.

Not any defense, but Boise's offense is as good, and their D is far better than Oregons.

[techstate]

Not any defense, but Boise's offense is as good, and their D is far better than Oregons.

Based off what? Playing the **** teams that boise plays every week you really cant compare defenses.

And Stanford is considered a tough physical team with a strong denfense and a good offense and oregon dominated even after comming out slow.

[Fear the Bird]

Darn. I thought I'd get more of a reaction than that. But I will say that watching Oregon actually makes me wish Alabama had stayed undefeated and Oregon would win out so that we could see that clash of styles in a BCS championship game. It'd be an interesting matchup.

If Bama wins out you will see them in the National Title Game

[MSUDuo]

If Bama wins out you will see them in the National Title Game

Depends how many BCS undefeated teams there are...

[sav eagle34]

What a "fru fru" team. Yeah, they'll probably beat UCLA. But this is another example of why playoffs are needed. These guys would get KILLED by a true physical BCS leage football team.


I'm with you on the playoffs, but you really lose me after that.

Rush Yards PG - 308.4 #3 in the nation behind Air Force & Ga Tech
Rush Yards P Att - 6.52 #1 in the nation
Total yards PG - 569.1 #1 in the nation
Total Pts PG - 55.1 #1 in the nation the next in line has 48.2
Time of Possession - 26:40 min per game #114 in the nation
Total Defense - 331.5 ypg #30 in the nation
Scoring Defense - 15.86 pts PG #12 in the nation
Takeaways - 25 #1 in the nation
Turnover Margin - + 12 or + 1.71 PG both #1 in the nation

Maybe I'm confused as to what the phrase 'fru fru' means; I don't know I've never used it before. But, if that is sissy football, I want my team playing like sissies. Good lord man, what do you want xrotatehx? They lead the nation in every fundamental football stat and they do it fast. There are only 6 teams in the country that have less time of possession, yet they dominate on offense, especially on the ground. These numbers are unreal. Plus they have beaten an SEC team on the road, and did it so convincingly, UGA took them off their future schedule the next week. But if they played a "true physical BCS leage football team I'm sure it would be differentxrolleyesx.

[PaladinFan]

This season will end like every other in recent memory. Some high flying offensive juggernaut is going to run smack into the SEC champs and get beaten soundly. Those offenses look really good and really fast until they hit legitimate SEC defenses.

[sav eagle34]

Darn. I thought I'd get more of a reaction than that.

Ugh, you got me. I didn't see this the first time around. I'm glad I pulled up the stats though, they were even better than I thought.

[I Bleed Purple]

This season will end like every other in recent memory. Some high flying offensive juggernaut is going to run smack into the SEC champs and get beaten soundly. Those offenses look really good and really fast until they hit legitimate SEC defenses.

Wasn't there an SEC game with 100 plus points scored this season?

[sav eagle34]

This season will end like every other in recent memory. Some high flying offensive juggernaut is going to run smack into the SEC champs and get beaten soundly. Those offenses look really good and really fast until they hit legitimate SEC defenses.


Most years you might be right, but the biggest criteria needed to win the BCS is actually getting there first. Who from the SEC is going to make it? Auburn is the only undefeated team left in the conference & they still have to play 'bamer plus a possible SEC champ game. I do believe that if alabamer beats Auburn & wins the SEC that the BCS will, at all costs, get them in the game regardless of whomever they have to jump in the polls, even if that team is undefeated. Are you that confident that either of those 2 teams would pound Oregon though? They are not a heavy footed Big-10 team, they play fast. I've been darn impressed with Chip Kelly since '04 when they took us out in the first round. I'm still not over that one, but every year he puts together a team that overachieves, I can feel a little bit better that we may have been the first team he really suprised, but we certainly haven't been the last. With all this debate that will in all likelyhood become more, not less, confusing as the year goes on; I just don't understand how anybody would rather see their team in the FBS over FCS.

[Skjellyfetti]

This season will end like every other in recent memory. Some high flying offensive juggernaut is going to run smack into the SEC champs and get beaten soundly. Those offenses look really good and really fast until they hit legitimate SEC defenses.

No, I'm a big SEC homer and you're wrong. More than likely an SEC team won't make it to the title game. Auburn will probably lose to Alabama or in the SEC title game.

Plus, Auburn's defense is BAD. If you guys keep talking up SEC defenses... and then Oregon puts up 70 on Auburn... y'all are just going to look silly.

[PaladinFan]

No, I'm a big SEC homer and you're wrong. More than likely an SEC team won't make it to the title game. Auburn will probably lose to Alabama or in the SEC title game.

Plus, Auburn's defense is BAD. If you guys keep talking up SEC defenses... and then Oregon puts up 70 on Auburn... y'all are just going to look silly.

Come on, now. You're telling me that the BCS is going to leave out a one loss Auburn, LSU, or Alabama in favor of Boise v. Oregon?

Auburn's defense is not where it has been in the past, but it's not "BAD." They give up an average of 23.5 ppg. Not as dominant as they have been, but still wins you games. Sure, Oregon might score, but don't forget Auburn's offense is ranked 4th in the nation against better competition and is led by a guy who is literally running away with the Heisman.

Quite frankly, I think the only way you see an SEC team not in the national title game is if a school from the SEC East pulls an upset in the championship game. An LSU, Auburn, or Alabama team with a 13-1 record would be hard to keep out. The BCS already screwed Auburn once. Hopefully they won't do it again.

[techstate]

Come on, now. You're telling me that the BCS is going to leave out a one loss Auburn, LSU, or Alabama in favor of Boise v. Oregon?

Auburn's defense is not where it has been in the past, but it's not "BAD." They give up an average of 23.5 ppg. Not as dominant as they have been, but still wins you games. Sure, Oregon might score, but don't forget Auburn's offense is ranked 4th in the nation against better competition and is led by a guy who is literally running away with the Heisman.

Quite frankly, I think the only way you see an SEC team not in the national title game is if a school from the SEC East pulls an upset in the championship game. An LSU, Auburn, or Alabama team with a 13-1 record would be hard to keep out. The BCS already screwed Auburn once. Hopefully they won't do it again.

First I think that there is no way Boise/TCU/utah get the natty champ until they are in a bcs conference. To think other wise is rediculous.

Cam Newton is a darn good player but if he goes down so does auburn. They are a one man team, not unlike Dennis Dixon of Oregon in 2007. And depth is very important if your going to make the N.C.

by the way, Oregon has the leading rusher in the nation LaMichael "LaHeisman" James with 2 less games then everybody with a one game suspension and a bye week. And Oregon is so deep if god forbid he go down they have kenjon Barner (taking it to the toy story) and Remene Alston "the gentle man" dominating, as everyone saw last week. Also don't forget that they have two starting qb's with the 6th year Nate Costa backing up DT1.

However, I definitley think that the SEC winner will play the undefeated ducks or maybe the one loss big ten champ.

[ngineer]

Oregon v. Boise St. would be like watching a pin ball machine!

[PaladinFan]

Oregon v. Boise St. would be like watching a pin ball machine!

That seems like a good way to describe most of college football these days. I don't know when it started, but nobody plays defense anymore.

[Big Al]

Take this to the bank -- Oregon will run roughshod over any SEC defense. Look at Utah vs. Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl for supporting evidence.

People always like to say "so-and-so would never win more than 5 games in my conference!" which is nothing more than meaningless chest-thumping. Conference affiliation helps dictate the type of players you recruit and the style of game you play. Therefore, the question isn't "Would an undefeated Oregon/Utah/TCU/Boise State be able to run the table in the SEC?" Rather, the question is, "Can the best team from Conference A beat the best team from Conference B?"

Period. End of story.

[PaladinFan]

Take this to the bank -- Oregon will run roughshod over any SEC defense. Look at Utah vs. Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl for supporting evidence.

People always like to say "so-and-so would never win more than 5 games in my conference!" which is nothing more than meaningless chest-thumping. Conference affiliation helps dictate the type of players you recruit and the style of game you play. Therefore, the question isn't "Would an undefeated Oregon/Utah/TCU/Boise State be able to run the table in the SEC?" Rather, the question is, "Can the best team from Conference A beat the best team from Conference B?"

Period. End of story.

Of course, on any given day any team can beat any other team. Especially when there are weeks to prepare. Of course, Utah/Alabama is a great one to point to. Just as obvious, though, are the dismantling of undefeated Cinninnati by Florida, and Hawaii by Georgia.

SEC fans have a reputation for being of the mindset of "if it ain't SEC football, it ain't football." There is some merit to that (although not as much as they would have you think). The biggest gripe most SEC fans have with letting a TCU, Boise, Oregon, etc. into the national title game is 1) they don't play a conference championship, and 2) they don't play tough games back to back (or three or four in a row for that matter).

I also think its a stretch to say Oregon would run roughshod over any SEC defense. That certainly hasn't been the case in the past. Take for example the championship game two years ago, when Florida beat a much more heralded Oklahoma team. That OU team was the highest scoring offense in the history of college football.

That, of course, is the past and really gets no where right now. I hope Oregon makes it to the national championship game. They have a great team. I just think when they get there they are almost a mortal lock to see the SEC champs on the other side of the field.

[ASUMountaineer]

First I think that there is no way Boise/TCU/utah get the natty champ until they are in a bcs conference. To think other wise is rediculous.

Cam Newton is a darn good player but if he goes down so does auburn. They are a one man team, not unlike Dennis Dixon of Oregon in 2007. And depth is very important if your going to make the N.C.

by the way, Oregon has the leading rusher in the nation LaMichael "LaHeisman" James with 2 less games then everybody with a one game suspension and a bye week. And Oregon is so deep if god forbid he go down they have kenjon Barner (taking it to the toy story) and Remene Alston "the gentle man" dominating, as everyone saw last week. Also don't forget that they have two starting qb's with the 6th year Nate Costa backing up DT1.

However, I definitley think that the SEC winner will play the undefeated ducks or maybe the one loss big ten champ.

Not that I'd argue much, but that means Herbstriet is ridiculous. He believes it will be an SEC team (Auburn or Bama) vs. Boise in the BCS Championship game. He thinks Sparty will lose to Iowa, and Mizzou will lose to Nebraska. He also thinks the Ducks will slip up. I for one agree with him with those picks. But, I'm not sold they will allow Boise in, but I'm hoping.

[PaladinFan]

Not that I'd argue much, but that means Herbstriet is ridiculous. He believes it will be an SEC team (Auburn or Bama) vs. Boise in the BCS Championship game. He thinks Sparty will lose to Iowa, and Mizzou will lose to Nebraska. He also thinks the Ducks will slip up. I for one agree with him with those picks. But, I'm not sold they will allow Boise in, but I'm hoping.

Well, the good news if Boise gets in is that it will end the debate one way or another. If Boise wins the NC, they will cement themselves in the national title picture for the foreseeable future. If they get blown out, they'll lose pretty much all their credibility on a national stage.

[ASUMountaineer]

Of course, on any given day any team can beat any other team. Especially when there are weeks to prepare. Of course, Utah/Alabama is a great one to point to. Just as obvious, though, are the dismantling of undefeated Cinninnati by Florida, and Hawaii by Georgia.

SEC fans have a reputation for being of the mindset of "if it ain't SEC football, it ain't football." There is some merit to that (although not as much as they would have you think). The biggest gripe most SEC fans have with letting a TCU, Boise, Oregon, etc. into the national title game is 1) they don't play a conference championship, and 2) they don't play tough games back to back (or three or four in a row for that matter).

I also think its a stretch to say Oregon would run roughshod over any SEC defense. That certainly hasn't been the case in the past. Take for example the championship game two years ago, when Florida beat a much more heralded Oklahoma team. That OU team was the highest scoring offense in the history of college football.

That, of course, is the past and really gets no where right now. I hope Oregon makes it to the national championship game. They have a great team. I just think when they get there they are almost a mortal lock to see the SEC champs on the other side of the field.

Neither does the Big Ten [Eleven--soon to be twelve]. Neither does the Big [Little] East. Neither does the Pac 10 [soon to be twelve]. I've heard that excuse so much, but I don't buy it. If people are willing to rank Boise in the top 3 in the country, then they have to expect their ranking to go up if the teams in front of them lose. My thinking is, if they're #3, that means the majority of pollsters considers BSU to be the third best team in the country. How can they keep ranking them there each week because they play a bad team? That's illogical, of course so is not having a playoff.

I just like seeing the SEC (and other BCS conferences) whine about Boise's schedule. The same teams that play tough, powerhouse football programs like Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, UConn, Syracuse, Iowa State, Northwestern, Washington State, Baylor, Duke, and Virginia. Every conference has week teams, and yes the WAC has more weak teams than the Big Six. But, that doesn't mean Boise isn't as good as Alabama, Oregon, or Auburn. It just means the teams on their schedule are worse. Again, if the pollsters rank Boise #3, then that means they're considered the third best team. Bama should have beaten South Carolina.

[ASUMountaineer]

Well, the good news if Boise gets in is that it will end the debate one way or another. If Boise wins the NC, they will cement themselves in the national title picture for the foreseeable future. If they get blown out, they'll lose pretty much all their credibility on a national stage.

True. I want to see it. For FCS fans, it would be nice to see a "smaller program" shut the big boys up.

[PaladinFan]

True. I want to see it. For FCS fans, it would be nice to see a "smaller program" shut the big boys up.

I agree with you. I think they deserve their shot. I'd personally like to see what they can do against the country's best.

Again, though, the BCS is all about the allmighty dollar. I don't think there is anyway they put two teams from the pacific northwest in the national title game over any reasonably qualified SEC champ or Oklahoma.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

That seems like a good way to describe most of college football these days. I don't know when it started, but nobody plays defense anymore.

It's not that "no one plays defense anymore". The old adage "defense wins championships" is simply an outdated, dinosaur philosophy of the game. Look at last year's super bowl - two top offenses versus so-so defenses. And look at how lauded 'Bama's defense was last year, and keep in mind they most likely would have lost with UT scoring a lot of points if Coly McCoy wasn't hurt. Now look at the three undefeated teams - all offensive powers. I'd rather have a blitzkrieg of an offense than a black hole of a defense any day.

[JohnStOnge]

I think the SEC is kind of down this year and its champion isn't as good as its been in most years. However, on the issue of defense and the SEC. let's look at the SEC's six BCS championship game wins:

1999 Tennessee 23, Florida State 16
2004 LSU 21, Oklahoma 14
2007 Florida 41, Ohio State 14
2008 LSU 38, Ohio State 24
2009 Florida 24, Oklahoma 14
2010 Alabama 37, Texas 21

I agree that Texas was substantially impacted by the loss of its quarterback in 2010. Nevertheless, it's clear that when SEC teams have reached the BCS championship game their defenses have dond a good job of controlling opponents' offenses.

Another interesting thing to look at is how conferences have done overall in BCS bowls (where teams near the tops of conferences play each other). Here's how it's gone:

SEC 14 - 5 (0.737)
MWC 2 -1 (0.667)
WAC 2 - 1 (0.667)
Pac 10 8 - 5 (0.615)
Big East 6 - 6 (0.500)
Big 10 10 - 11 (0.476)
Big 12 7 - 10 (0.438)
ACC 2 - 10 (0.200)

The SEC has clearly had the best performance in BCS bowls. It is second to the Big 10 in appearances (19 to 21) but way ahead of the Big 10 in winning percentage. Again, it is 6-0 in BCS championship games. The thing about the SEC being toughest isn't just something people say.

[TheValleyRaider]

It may be "sissy boy" football, but they're really really good at it

For the record, I'm looking forward to the Oregon-Auburn Championship game that will end 71-65

[JohnStOnge]

If people are willing to rank Boise in the top 3 in the country,

The fact that people are willing to vote Boise State into the top 3 in the country based on beating Virginia Tech by 3 and Oregon State by 13 while playing nobody else of any consequence illustrates the problem of having a system where polls play a significant role in deciding who will play in a "national championship" game. Again, how many BCS teams would have a better than 50:50 shot at being undefeated against the schedule Boise State has played?

The answer is: A lot.

Polls put way too much of a premium on going undefeated regardless of the slate against which the undefeated slate was fashioned.

Boise State would have zero shot of winning the SEC if it played in that conference with its current team. Zero. Even in a down year for the SEC like this one.

Would they have some shot at beating any one team in this year's SEC in a bowl game for which they had 6 weeks to prepare? Yes. But that's part of the problem. It's kind of like South Carolina clearly doesn't belong in a national title game but the Gamecocks beat Alabama in one game. Or Mississippi didn't belong in the national championship game after the 2008 season but they beat Florida in one game.

[I Bleed Purple]

Boise State would have zero shot of winning the SEC if it played in that conference with its current team. Zero. Even in a down year for the SEC like this one.

Based on what facts?

The fact is that we don't know how Boise would do with Auburn's schedule. We don't know how Auburn would do with Oregon's schedule, or Utah's schedule, or Pitt's schedule.

What voters should do is vote on who they think is the best team in the country. Strength of Schedule should be a minor factor in determining that.

[JohnStOnge]

Based on what facts?

The fact is that we don't know how Boise would do with Auburn's schedule. We don't know how Auburn would do with Oregon's schedule, or Utah's schedule, or Pitt's schedule.

What voters should do is vote on who they think is the best team in the country. Strength of Schedule should be a minor factor in determining that.

To "think" a team is the best team in the country, or the second best, or the third best, you have to have some basis for thinking that. There can be no basis for judging Boise State as being near the top in terms of team caliber with the schedule Boise State plays.

Right now Boise State has played one team rated in the top 25 of the BCS standings. They played the 23rd ranked team and beat them by 3 points.

Strength of schedule should be a MAJOR factor.

You beat Virginia Tech and Oregon State then play the other people Boise State has played this year and you're in the BCS title game discussion? That's ridiculous.

[Mr. C]

To "think" a team is the best team in the country, or the second best, or the third best, you have to have some basis for thinking that. There can be no basis for judging Boise State as being near the top in terms of team caliber with the schedule Boise State plays.

Right now Boise State has played one team rated in the top 25 of the BCS standings. They played the 23rd ranked team and beat them by 3 points.

Strength of schedule should be a MAJOR factor.

You beat Virginia Tech and Oregon State then play the other people Boise State has played this year and you're in the BCS title game discussion? That's ridiculous.

Strength of schedule is an EXTREMELY overrated factor. It is a major reason that computer ratings so often miss the mark. But I wouldn't expect someone who sits in LSU's backyard to have an unbiased view on this. Until the SEC starts sending schools to places like Boise State to play some out off conference games, then they need to stuff it about a team like the Broncos getting a chance to play for their mythological national title. Instead, you see games like Auburn playing Chattanooga. And don't give me the excuse that the SEC teams play too many tough games in conference.

You could end ALL debate on this in one simple way, have an eight-game or 16-team playoff for the national championship.

[seantaylor]

You know who plays sissy boy football? Auburn. That team plays zero defense and is as soft as Charmin. When they actually play a team with a defense, they will get stomped.

[Big Al]

You beat Virginia Tech and Oregon State then play the other people Boise State has played this year and you're in the BCS title game discussion? That's ridiculous.

No less ridiculous than the BCS itself. Boise State isn't squeaking past the other WAC teams -- they're curb-stomping them. For that matter, so is TCU & Utah. You have three very qualified schools, all who have proven they can handle the pressure of the national spotlight. One of whom even curb-stomped an SEC school in a BCS game. I'd have no heartburn if any of those three made it into the BCS trophy game.

[PaladinFan]

Strength of schedule is an EXTREMELY overrated factor. It is a major reason that computer ratings so often miss the mark. But I wouldn't expect someone who sits in LSU's backyard to have an unbiased view on this. Until the SEC starts sending schools to places like Boise State to play some out off conference games, then they need to stuff it about a team like the Broncos getting a chance to play for their mythological national title. Instead, you see games like Auburn playing Chattanooga. And don't give me the excuse that the SEC teams play too many tough games in conference.

You could end ALL debate on this in one simple way, have an eight-game or 16-team playoff for the national championship.

Why is it overrated? Why should the fact that Auburn will have to beat six or seven ranked teams not a factor? To make the championship game, Auburn will have to play and beat twice as many ranked teams as Boise, TCU, etc. even have on their schedule.

Most of the non-SEC crowd gripes about the SEC teams OOC schedules. They aren't as poor as you would imagine. Many SEC schools have big rivalry games out of conference (USC/Clemson, Florida/FSU, Georgia/GT). When you play six ranked teams out of a twelve game schedule there's absolutely no incentive to go across country and play out of conference games.

[techstate]

No less ridiculous than the BCS itself. Boise State isn't squeaking past the other WAC teams -- they're curb-stomping them. For that matter, so is TCU & Utah. You have three very qualified schools, all who have proven they can handle the pressure of the national spotlight. One of whom even curb-stomped an SEC school in a BCS game. I'd have no heartburn if any of those three made it into the BCS trophy game.

I agree that Boise is obviously dominating everyone they play in the WAC. And the wins over a ranked VaTech and a going to be ranked OSU are of subtance. But not one of those teams are a pound them in the ground team. I would like to see how Boise would do against an ohio state where they are way undersized. Boise matches up well with Oregon and OSU and VaTech because they are all undersized and very fast teams. I think Boise would have their hands full playing a big team.

Also strenght of schedule should play a huge roll in BCS games. When it is not there is no insentive to play a tough schedule, you would much rather play an easy schedule and get into the N.C. then play a tough opponet week in and week out. Playing in those tough games throughout the season wears down a team and you will see who really is the best and deepest team.

Playing one tough game where you have weeks to prepare for and get healthy for does not show who is the deepest or best team. While any team can win on any given day I don't think boise would have the same record if they were in any BCS conference.

[Skjellyfetti]

When they actually play a team with a defense, they will get stomped.

They beat LSU. LSU has the #7 defense. Cam Newton ran for over 200 yards.

[Skjellyfetti]

Strength of schedule is an EXTREMELY overrated factor. It is a major reason that computer ratings so often miss the mark. But I wouldn't expect someone who sits in LSU's backyard to have an unbiased view on this. Until the SEC starts sending schools to places like Boise State to play some out off conference games, then they need to stuff it about a team like the Broncos getting a chance to play for their mythological national title. Instead, you see games like Auburn playing Chattanooga. And don't give me the excuse that the SEC teams play too many tough games in conference.

You could end ALL debate on this in one simple way, have an eight-game or 16-team playoff for the national championship.

I think Boise State could play with anyone for one game. That's not the point though... as much as I hate the FBS system... it's the system that we have and they don't deserve to go over 1 loss teams from tough conferences.

The theme of this season has been teams playing extremely well one week and then having a down week and losing. Michigan State, Missouri, Alabama, Stanford, etc. etc. Teams like Alabama have tough games week in and week out. If they lose focus for one game they could lose. Boise doesn't have that problem. They only have to be focused and play at a high level for 2 or 3 games of the season. Just because Alabama, Missouri, Michigan State, and Stanford stumbled doesn't mean Boise is better just because they're undefeated.

I agree with you on the playoffs though. It's desperately needed for FBS. Then we could see if Boise could play 3 or 4 tough games in a row. If they're able to do that... they deserve the championship. Under the current system, no way they are deserving however.