View Full Version : Sagarin Ratings Even Weirder Than Usual
UNH Fanboi
October 17th, 2010, 12:02 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt10.htm
1. Delaware
2. Northern Arizona xeyebrowx
3. SFA
4. Western Illinois xeyebrowx
5. Appalachian St.
6. Montana St.
7. Eastern Washington
8. Villanova
9. Jacksonville St.
10. William & Mary
11. James Madison
12. Wofford
13. Sam Houston St. xeyebrowx
14. Montana
15. UNH
16. Sacramento St. xeyebrowx
17. Chattanooga
18. South Alabama xeyebrowx
19. Caly Poly
20. UMass
21. SDSU
22. UNI
23. Robert Morris
24. Portland St. xeyebrowx xlolx xchinscratchx
25. Jacksonville
TexasTerror
October 17th, 2010, 12:10 PM
South Alabama is a non-counter. They have no reason being in there. They are unclassified!
SideLine Shooter
October 17th, 2010, 12:14 PM
Somebody Smokin Something!
WestCoastAggie
October 17th, 2010, 12:19 PM
Sagarin must be weighing Strength of Schedule at least 3 times more over Actual Record and accounting actual point total of games.
Either way, this should seriously help Jacksonville in the modified version of the GPI that the committee looks at.
appfan2008
October 17th, 2010, 04:03 PM
Those computerized ranking systems can tell us things that humans look over but also at the same time can be out in left field...
DetroitFlyer
October 17th, 2010, 06:41 PM
Why should JU be ranked higher than Dayton? Dayton has a win already over what will probably be a ranked team, Bobby Mo, while JU's "quality win" was over ODU. Both are currently tied atop the PFL standings.... I guess you could argue that maybe JU has a better loss to App State versus Dayton's loss to Duquesne? Odd....
AxeEmJacks
October 17th, 2010, 07:30 PM
So number two and number three are both the Lumberjacks. This has gotta be a record or something.
JUDolphins
October 17th, 2010, 08:08 PM
Bobby Mo and ODU I think cancel each other out - and the difference between JU and Dayton is the loss to ASU looks better each week as opposed to the loss over Duquesne.
insideout08
October 17th, 2010, 08:41 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt10.htm
1. Delaware
2. Northern Arizona xeyebrowx
3. SFA
4. Western Illinois xeyebrowx
5. Appalachian St.
6. Montana St.
7. Eastern Washington
8. Villanova
9. Jacksonville St.
10. William & Mary
11. James Madison
12. Wofford
13. Sam Houston St. xeyebrowx
14. Montana
15. UNH
16. Sacramento St. xeyebrowx
17. Chattanooga
18. South Alabama xeyebrowx
19. Caly Poly
20. UMass
21. SDSU
22. UNI
23. Robert Morris
24. Portland St. xeyebrowx xlolx xchinscratchx
25. Jacksonville
Furman is between New Hampshire and Sacramento State.
Squealofthepig
October 18th, 2010, 01:17 AM
Sac State and Portland State are both better teams than most would give credit for. Substitute Maine for either of those and many eyebrows would not be raised.
That being said... wackiness. I can see PSU at 24 - really. Maybe that's the Big Sky Conference homer in me. But NAU at #2?? Really? Apparently I'm living in some alternate reality. NAU is a great team, but #2, 3 places ahead of App? Don't buy it.
OL FU
October 18th, 2010, 06:25 AM
Furman is between New Hampshire and Sacramento State.
You beat me to it.
Rekdiver
October 18th, 2010, 11:39 AM
Computer error.............Flash Crash..........
emilimo701
October 18th, 2010, 12:21 PM
Computer error.............Flash Crash..........
You guys should know better. Some results and ranking will seem odd every week. Us humans have a qualitative element to our analysis, whereas the computers are handicapped, relying on only quantitative data. But like some other guy said, on the other hand, they can also help point things out that are mind might not catch.
So no, those rankings do not seem odd to me.
TheDancinMonarch
October 18th, 2010, 12:34 PM
C'mon guys. A computer ranking is just one persons opinion that has been automated so that it can be produced quickly. It is no smarter than any other person nor any more impartial. It uses what its' creator thinks is important.
Aho_Old_Guy
October 18th, 2010, 12:43 PM
Our country has really gone to crap when convoluted statistical models are given any credence over plain common sense --- here's the Wolfe rankings to add to the madness ...
1 Jacksonville St
2 Delaware
3 Appalachian St
4 Stephen F. Austin
5 Bethune-Cookman
6 Wofford
7 Grambling St
8 Robert Morris
9 William & Mary
10 Eastern Washington
xsmileyclapx
Free free to compile, hack, spin, weigh, fold, spindle, mutilate, hash, debug, re-compile & anti-hack these rankings with others into an even more convoluted heaping pile of stench. We'll call it ...
The Super-Duper (smells like Pooper) Gridiron Power Index To End All Gridiron Power Indexes
Don't forget to vote early and often.
WestCoastAggie
October 18th, 2010, 01:02 PM
Massey Ratings 10-18-10
Delaware 7 0
+1 Appalachian St 6 0
+9 N Arizona 4 2
+3 Villanova 4 2
E Washington 5 2
-2 William & Mary 5 1
-5 James Madison 4 2
+2 SF Austin 5 1
+4 W Illinois 5 2
-1 Jacksonville St 7 0
-5 Montana St 5 2
+2 Wofford 5 1
-2 Montana 5 2
+2 Northern Iowa 3 3
+13 New Hampshire 4 3
+9 Furman 4 2
+7 S Dakota St 2 4
-10 Massachusetts 4 2
+2 Chattanooga 4 2
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf
WestCoastAggie
October 18th, 2010, 01:08 PM
Laz Index 10-16-10
1 Delaware 1.203 7 0 99.30 0.858 51
2 Appalachian St 1.163 6 0 98.79 0.856 52
3 Stephen F. Austin 1.117 5 1 98.11 0.902 31
4 Jacksonville St 1.111 7 0 91.74 0.842 57
5 Villanova 1.103 4 2 101.94 0.930 20
6 Western Illinois 1.098 5 2 99.00 0.874 45
7 William & Mary 1.086 5 1 96.45 0.876 43
8 Wofford 1.070 5 1 95.16 0.864 48
9 Eastern Washington 1.049 5 2 92.68 0.994 5
10 Montana St 1.043 5 2 94.31 0.868 47
11 Northern Arizona 1.030 4 2 96.22 0.897 32
12 James Madison 1.027 4 2 93.87 0.974 10
13 New Hampshire 1.025 4 3 96.28 0.925 21
14 Furman 1.022 4 2 94.76 0.891 36
15 Montana 1.019 5 2 93.82 0.813 68
16 Chattanooga 1.015 4 2 93.60 0.916 25
17 Massachusetts 1.013 4 2 94.46 0.903 30
18 Bethune-Cookman 1.012 6 0 88.39 0.610 122
19 Jacksonville FL 0.987 6 1 84.08 0.720 106
20 Grambling St 0.985 5 1 86.08 0.828 61
21 SE Missouri St 0.981 6 1 86.29 0.782 79
22 CSU-Sacramento 0.980 3 3 94.70 0.980 8
23 Liberty 0.979 5 2 90.14 0.744 93
24 North Dakota St 0.969 4 3 91.49 0.911 26
25 Northern Iowa 0.968 3 3 93.20 0.987 7
http://www.lazindex.com/CFD1AA.htm
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