Super Bowl

[Third and Long]

What did y'all think? The officiating was not good IMO. The TD that was taken away because of the "pass interfence" was bull, and the Big Ben TD was bull. The ball on Big Ben's didn't cross the goal line.

[grizbeer]

And at least according to madden and what i saw the holding call that wiped out a 1st and goal at the one was bull - remember that play, when Seattle was driving for the lead, but turned into an interception and then TD for Pittsburgh.

What I really think it this is the closest I have seen to a Superbowl being decided before the game was played. I can't ever remember seeing articles being written before the game about who would be the refs, now we know why.

[Third and Long]

And at least according to madden and what i saw the holding call that wiped out a 1st and goal at the one was bull - remember that play, when Seattle was driving for the lead, but turned into an interception and then TD for Pittsburgh.

What I really think it this is the closest I have seen to a Superbowl being decided before the game was played. I can't ever remember seeing articles being written before the game about who would be the refs, now we know why.
Were they worried about the refs being partial to the Steelers because of Bettis?

[grizbeer]

Were they worried about the refs being partial to the Steelers because of Bettis?
Good question - I was honestly surprised when Ward got MVP - I was certain it would be Bettis, which would have put the NFL solidly in the WWF category. At least giving the MVP to Ward showed a little respect for the game.

Anybody else notice that Holmgren left the field immediately after the game? In one Camera shot you could hear someone, I think Cowher, asking where Holmgren was. And not a single interview from Seattle players or coaches? Probably be cheaper to pay the fines for not being available to the media than to be suspended for criticizing the officials.

[SeattleGriz]

Thank you my Griz fans. I asked that same question in the Other Sports thread. It seemed as if the Seahawks could do nothing right. I always ask how both team are Pro's, but one gets a lot more penalties than the other.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Worst. Super. Bowl. Ever.

Seriously, were the guest refs Mr. T., Andy Kaufman and "Rowdy" Roddy Piper? The only surprising thing was that they actually overturned the obvious blown call that Hasselbeck fumbled at around midfield.

[D1B]

IMO Seattle played too conservatively. They were moving the ball pretty well and could have at least once went for on 4th down earlier in the game when PB couldn't buy a first down.

Abysmal clock and game management late in the 4th didn't help. Should've hurried up earlier and threw the ball on every down. Holmgrem looked like a deer frozen in the headlights.

I aint a big fan of kicking 50+ yd fieldgoals, even indoors, especially when they pretty much stopped PB's offense. If it wasn't for gimmick plays and one big run....

[SeattleGriz]

So the question I asked in the other thread is this:

Why in THE HELL does the NFL with its multiple millions use a replay screen that can be no bigger than 10 inches by 10 inches (being generous)?

Holy crap, has not plasma technology trickled down to the NFL. Nothing worse that seeing the on the field ref with visible crows feet squint to see the replay screen. That dude was at least 107 years old, and they trust his vision on a 8 inch screen???

[ChickenMan]

I'm no Seattle fan... but they certainly got the very short end of the stick from the officials. Seattle really outplayed Pittsburgh... but it's pretty tough to beat a good team when the officals take two TD's away with very questionable calls. At times I was wondering why the stripes on those zebras weren't black and gold.

[blackfordpu]

The game was kind of boring in my book.

[colgate13]

Whipple now has a I-AA NC ring and a Superbowl ring. Anyone else have that distinction (player or coach)?

[nmatsen]

Off the subject a tad, who were all the I-AA players last night? I know Ryan Hannam from UNI played for the Seahawks and got a few mentions. Was Lofa Tatupa (?) a member of the Maine team that went to the play-offs in 2001?

[Ivytalk]

Harvard's Isaiah Kacyvenski played for Seattle on special teams and was a co-captain. Tatupu beat him out for a starting job this year.

[Gil Dobie]

Tyrone Braxton(Denver) and Stacey Robinson(NY Giants) both have 2 Super Bowl Rings along with their Division II Championships at NDSU.

[Ivytalk]

Worst. Super. Bowl. Ever.

Seriously, were the guest refs Mr. T., Andy Kaufman and "Rowdy" Roddy Piper? The only surprising thing was that they actually overturned the obvious blown call that Hasselbeck fumbled at around midfield.

I wouldn't blame Holmgren if he never wanted that clown Leavy to officiate another Seahawks game. If the football broke the plane on Ben's TD, then I'm the king of England. : smh : That said, Seattle made too many mistakes (clock management, dropped passes, etc.) in a big game.

[Tribefan]

Great teams should be able to overcome terrible officiating, but the Seahawks were robbed. I don't have a rooting interest in either team, but Pittsburgh just want a badly tarnished Lombardi trophy.

[blukeys]

I wouldn't blame Holmgren if he never wanted that clown Leavy to officiate another Seahawks game. If the football broke the plane on Ben's TD, then I'm the king of England. : smh : That said, Seattle made too many mistakes (clock management, dropped passes, etc.) in a big game.


And don't forget 2 missed field goals.

[saint0917]

At times I was wondering why the stripes on those zebras weren't black and gold.

Here's some sour grapes xlolx But I do agree the officiating was pretty bad. And Mike Holmgre, what a classless jerk, he wouldn't even come to mid-field to shake Cowhers hand after the game. Here's some more sour grapes :nonono2:

[blukeys]

Homgren should have shook Cowher's hand. The officiating was lousy, but that wasn't Cowher's fault.

[Rabbit3467]

I think that the call on Ben's TD could have gone either way. In the replay it was extrememly close, and I don't think there was enough evidence to overturn the call. I also think that if the ref would have called him down, the replay might not have been able to give him a touchdown either because it was so close.

The worst call that was made was the penalty on Hasselbeck after he threw the interception at the end of the game. He made the tackle and they called him for "illegal block below the knees" i think. HE TACKLED THE GUY, how is that illegal.
: retard : : retard : : retard :

[Pards Rule]

I think Ben didn't make it but agree it was real real close. The call I definitely disagreed with was the pushoff that negated the Seattle TD. He barely touched the DB. Hell, if that was called against Mike Irvin back in the day he would have to give back half his catches!

[Pard4Life]

I'd say this game was in the top half of the 40 in terms of quality action. It was biased and atrocious that the media started billing this the 'boring bow' two Mondays ago. Just because nobody covers them, they get billed as a bad team.

Good thing I don't work for the NFL, but I'd say this game was stolen from the Seahawks. Granted Seattle lost it themselves ultimately, the referees clearly swung the momentum in the Steelers favor and were trying to 'jump-start' Pittsburgh into making it a game. Would the NFL truly want the Seattle Seahawks to win the title? A 'no-name' nearly faceless team from the northwest? Who would buy Seahawks merchandise? On the other hand, the Steelers are one of the league's most popular teams, and likely, a top grosser.

Did the Steelers get any major penalties called on them? No. How many killer Seattle penalties? Many. A stolen Seattle TD? Yup. An inllegitamete Pittsburgh TD? Yup. The ball did not cross.. Ben was taking the ball out from under him after the play, which was not across the goal line. And remember, his hands and glove come before the ball. His hands are not the tip of the ball crossing the goaline.

[Pard4Life]

I'd say the following Super Bowls of recent times rank on the 'one of the worst-ever' list in terms of quality.

Giants - Ravens, 2001,.. :boring: only action was the two kick returns
Broncos - Falcons, 1999.. I can't even remember what happened
San Diego - 49ers, 1995.. Steve Young was the only entertainment, did the Chargers even show up? And Stan Humprhies... um, wow, awful
Raiders - Buccaneers, 2003... a little close, then a blowout
Dallas - Buffalo, 1993 and 1994... there were turnovers and Buffalo leading in 1994, but the Bills did not make it a game when they were challenged, so that's why I'd rank them as awful

..and sorry, I can't remember much before 1991, but from scores I'd say the Denver Super Bowls were awful.

I'd rate Seattle-Steelers a 'B', not bad, somewhat interesting, a good deal of controversy, huge plays, and trick plays.

[mlbowl]

What did y'all think? The officiating was not good IMO. The TD that was taken away because of the "pass interfence" was bull, and the Big Ben TD was bull. The ball on Big Ben's didn't cross the goal line.


I'm not a fan of either team but that had to have been the most one sided officiated SB ever.......that illegal block penalty on Hasselbeck was absolutely ridiculous.

[Third and Long]

The worst call that was made was the penalty on Hasselbeck after he threw the interception at the end of the game. He made the tackle and they called him for "illegal block below the knees" i think. HE TACKLED THE GUY, how is that illegal. : retard : : retard : : retard :
I think I got it right: on his way to make the tackle he took out a blocker. Ok... that is cool. One problem, the over head cam showed he didn't touch the blocker!!!!!!! : flamemad
That hold call on the Seahawks was crap. How can you say that was a hold. John Madden and several other guys have said that was not a hold. :nono:

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I'd say the following Super Bowls of recent times rank on the 'one of the worst-ever' list in terms of quality.

Giants - Ravens, 2001
Broncos - Falcons, 1999
San Diego - 49ers, 1995
Raiders - Buccaneers, 2003
Dallas - Buffalo, 1993 and 1994

Try to think of it this way. Do you think that this Pittsburgh team - that couldn't get a first down in the 1st quarter - would have a snowball's chance in hell of beating any of the teams that won these Super Bowls? Think they would have scored a point against the Dilfer-led Ravens? The 2003 Bucs?

The worst team I've ever seen win a Super Bowl up to this point was the 1990 Giants, but at least that team was superbly coached.

I have no particular hatred for the Steelers - but both teams made boatloads of mistakes, including the Steelers. That fact gets conveniently forgotten with a few blown calls and a trick play for a TD.

In terms of quality of teams playing in the "big game", these two turkeys are hands-down the worst, and the Steelers are hands-down the worst Super Bowl Champs ever.

[Pard4Life]

Try to think of it this way. Do you think that this Pittsburgh team - that couldn't get a first down in the 1st quarter - would have a snowball's chance in hell of beating any of the teams that won these Super Bowls? Think they would have scored a point against the Dilfer-led Ravens? The 2003 Bucs?

The worst team I've ever seen win a Super Bowl up to this point was the 1990 Giants, but at least that team was superbly coached.

I have no particular hatred for the Steelers - but both teams made boatloads of mistakes, including the Steelers. That fact gets conveniently forgotten with a few blown calls and a trick play for a TD.

In terms of quality of teams playing in the "big game", these two turkeys are hands-down the worst, and the Steelers are hands-down the worst Super Bowl Champs ever.

Interesting debate. How the tables have turned, everyone labeled the 2001 Patriots the worst champion ever. Now they are a dynasty. Granted I am no Steelers fan (I am a Patriots fan) but will we be calling them the worst champions ever if they win again next year? I almost agree with you that they are the worst champions ever, but they won eight straight games and had a respectable team. They were 15-1 last year, they could get the job done. No they are not the worst champions ever, I reserve that for a team that wins a division at 8-8, 9-7, and somehow stumbles through the playoffs. Steelers took down the Colts, I think that is good enough to avoid the 'worst champs' title. Seattle was a quality team, but not away from home, and the NFC sucks.

[blur2005]

In terms of quality of teams playing in the "big game", these two turkeys are hands-down the worst, and the Steelers are hands-down the worst Super Bowl Champs ever.

That may be true for one game. But the let's not forget the playoff run the Steelers made to get to the big game in the first place. They beat the first, second, and third ranked teams in the AFC (which is clearly the superior conference at the moment), and most importantly, they won all of these games on the ROAD.

Also, before you blame the officials for the Pittsburgh win, do remember that Seattle had horrendous clock management, couldn't hit a key field goal not just once but twice, were dropping passes (especially Stevens, only one he didn't drop was the touchdown), and I'm sorry, but Shaun Alexander had some yards, but he really did nothing big in that game...some MVP. So while yes, there were some poor calls, but the only one that was just blatantly awful was the call against Hasselbeck, which made absolutely no sense. I can see why Jackson was called for offensive pass interference, though I think it was definitely iffy. If his arms hadn't looked like they fully pushed off, the ref might've kept the flag in his pocket despite the Steeler corner's complaining. And as Madden says in every version of Madden Football, "there's holding on every play, it's just not called," or something along those lines. Also, on the flip side, was there one real time where there was an obvious penalty against the Steelers that went uncalled? So before you go and talk of conspiracy theories, remember the Steelers still won the game, making two big plays that the Seahawks definitely DID NOT make, and the Seahawks did some stupid things despite the couple times where you could say they caught a bad break, costing them the victory.

[mlbowl]

As I said before, I'm not a fan of either team (I didn't even watch the first half) nor do I believe in officials costing teams games but It definitely appeared to me that Seattle was on the short end of the officiating stick ;)IMO, anyone that cannot come to grips with that was either wearing a Steelers jersey or blinders :nod:
My final comment about this SB and the officiating.........If it smells like
*****.................it's *****!!!

[saint0917]

In terms of quality of teams playing in the "big game", these two turkeys are hands-down the worst, and the Steelers are hands-down the worst Super Bowl Champs ever.

What a load of crap, they beat the 1,2,3 seed teams in the AFC to make it to the Super Bowl, and they beat the No. 1 seed in the NFC to win the Super Bowl. "Steelers are hands-down the worst Super Bowl Champs ever" PLEASE, at least have a small clue before you post something so stupid. :rolleyes: xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx