The Sports Network FCS Top 25 Poll

[Humble Steward]

The Sports Network/Fathead.com FCS Top-25 College Football Poll
Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Appalachian State Mountaineers (106) 5-0 3,586 1
2. Delaware Blue Hens (29) 6-0 3,472 2
3. Jacksonville State Gamecocks (10) 6-0 3,290 3
4. William & Mary Tribe 5-1 3,160 4
5. Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks (1) 4-1 2,982 5
6. Villanova Wildcats 3-2 2,759 6
7. James Madison Dukes 4-1 2,747 7
8. Massachusetts Minutemen 4-1 2,649 8
9. Montana State Bobcats 5-1 2,445 10
10. South Carolina State Bulldogs 4-1 2,430 9
11. Montana Grizzlies 4-2 2,081 12
12. Eastern Washington Eagles 4-2 1,969 13
13. Cal Poly Mustangs 4-2 1,769 14
14. Wofford Terriers 4-1 1,489 21
15. North Dakota State Bison 4-2 1,347 18
16. New Hampshire Wildcats 3-3 1,203 22
17. Southern Illinois Salukis 3-3 1,093 23
18. Southeast Missouri State Redhawks 5-1 995 25
19. Liberty Flames 4-2 822 24
20. Richmond Spiders 2-3 820 11
21. Georgia Southern Eagles 3-2 700 16
22. Northern Iowa Panthers 2-3 539 15
23. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 5-0 390 NR
24. Elon Phoenix 2-4 382 19
25. Penn Quakers 3-1 309 NR
Others receiving votes: Furman 285, Western Illinois 280, Texas State 273, Jacksonville 192, Chattanooga 183, Grambling State 135, Northern Arizona 100, McNeese State 67, Jackson State 66, Hampton 59, Dayton 58, Robert Morris 50, Central Arkansas 37, South Dakota State 37, Sacramento State 28, Colgate 26, Tennessee State 23, Harvard 19, Southeastern Louisiana 15, Nicholls State 12, South Dakota 11, Youngstown State 11, UC Davis 9, North Dakota 8, Indiana State 8, Florida A&M 8, Yale 6, Lehigh 4, Drake 3, Alcorn State 3, Weber State 2, Columbia 1, Dartmouth 1, Maine 1, San Diego 1.


As of October 11, 2010, at 12:51 PM ET

Welcome to the board Wildcats.xnodx

[appfan2008]

no reason elon still neads to be ranked... i know they played well against app, gsu, richmond, and duke but they lost all of those games...

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Others receiving votes: Furman 285, Western Illinois 280, Texas State 273, Jacksonville 192, Chattanooga 183, Grambling State 135, Northern Arizona 100, McNeese State 67, Jackson State 66, Hampton 59, Dayton 58, Robert Morris 50, Central Arkansas 37, South Dakota State 37, Sacramento State 28, Colgate 26, Tennessee State 23, Harvard 19, Southeastern Louisiana 15, Nicholls State 12, South Dakota 11, Youngstown State 11, UC Davis 9, North Dakota 8, Indiana State 8, Florida A&M 8, Yale 6, Lehigh 4, Drake 3, Alcorn State 3, Weber State 2, Columbia 1, Dartmouth 1, Maine 1, San Diego 1.

That all of these teams are ranked above Colgate is an embarassment.

[danefan]

That all of these teams are ranked above Colgate is an embarassment.

Are you being serious right now?

There's a lot of things wrong with the poll, but the placement of Colgate is far from one of them.

[TexasTerror]

Others receiving votes: Furman 285, Western Illinois 280, Texas State 273, Jacksonville 192, Chattanooga 183, Grambling State 135, Northern Arizona 100, McNeese State 67, Jackson State 66, Hampton 59, Dayton 58, Robert Morris 50, Central Arkansas 37, South Dakota State 37, Sacramento State 28, Colgate 26, Tennessee State 23, Harvard 19, Southeastern Louisiana 15, Nicholls State 12, South Dakota 11, Youngstown State 11, UC Davis 9, North Dakota 8, Indiana State 8, Florida A&M 8, Yale 6, Lehigh 4, Drake 3, Alcorn State 3, Weber State 2, Columbia 1, Dartmouth 1, Maine 1, San Diego 1.

How the heck is Nicholls getting votes?!?!? They are 1-4 with a loss to Sam Houston State (who is 3-2 and has no votes) and their lone win over BACONE from NAIA!

Craig Haley has completely ruined the credibility of The Sports Network and their FCS coverage by validating poll votes and his wacky projections.

[insideout08]

That all of these teams are ranked above Colgate is an embarassment.

I don't know about the rest of the teams, but Chattanooga would handle Colgate pretty easily. Furman destroyed Colgate, and Chattanooga may be better than Furman this year.

[JMUNJ08]

That all of these teams are ranked above Colgate is an embarassment.

But McNeese St and Grambling St. should be?!?!?! I agree on Jackson St., Dayton & SDSU but thats about it...

[jmufan999]

no reason elon still neads to be ranked... i know they played well against app, gsu, richmond, and duke but they lost all of those games...

yes but richmond sucks so we need to stop mentioning them like this is 2008. that's not a "quality loss". i'll give you the other 3.

[jmufan999]

by the way, i don't have TOO much of a problem with the poll... i think montana state and villanova are underrated and Jax State and POSSIBLY UMass are overrated (sorry Zach). but of course, that's why we have the playoffs. thank god.

[bosshogg]

[email protected] wins...and DROPS?

[JMUNJ08]

The Sports Network/Fathead.com FCS Top-25 College Football Poll
Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
16. New Hampshire Wildcats 3-3 1,203 22
17. Southern Illinois Salukis 3-3 1,093 23
20. Richmond Spiders 2-3 820 11
22. Northern Iowa Panthers 2-3 539 15
24. Elon Phoenix 2-4 382 19

The fact that any of these teams are ranked boggles my mind. We are through 6 weeks of play and .500 or below teams are considered the BEST 25 teams we have at the FCS?!?!? Elon is 2 games UNDER .500 and Richmond has no QB's left on their roster. The other 3 are so up and down that my best guess is they are 6-5 or 7-4 teams at best but to get to 7-4 they have to go 4-1 or 5-1 down the stretch and they haven't proven they are good enough to do what I would expect a Top 25 program to do.

[BucBisonAtLarge]

While you might think it is some inflated impression of Colgate's performance, but, if my current Patriot League sense of self-loathing remains intact, the comment from the Lehigh fan regards the irony of finding the top-rated team in the PL behind.... a lot of teams that are not first in the respective conferences. Not a good year thus far.....sheesh

[tribe_pride]

yes but richmond sucks so we need to stop mentioning them like this is 2008. that's not a "quality loss". i'll give you the other 3.

Richmond after the loss of Corp would be a bad loss but they were top 20 team with him.


by the way, i don't have TOO much of a problem with the poll... i think montana state and villanova are underrated and Jax State and POSSIBLY UMass are overrated (sorry Zach). but of course, that's why we have the playoffs. thank god.

How is UMass overrated? They beat W&M and lost at Michigan by less than a TD. Where would you put them (and where would you put W&M)

[Lehigh Football Nation]

While you might think it is some inflated impression of Colgate's performance, but, if my current Patriot League sense of self-loathing remains intact, the comment from the Lehigh fan regards the irony of finding the top-rated team in the PL behind.... a lot of teams that are not first in the respective conferences. Not a good year thus far.....sheesh

Saying they're not the first place team in their conference is understating it. One of those teams I highlighted is 1-5.

[Ivytalk]

When was the last time that Dartmouth and Columbia got votes the same week?xlolx

[poly51]

That all of these teams are ranked above Colgate is an embarassment.

These teams are not ranked. They are "Others receiving votes"

[Squealofthepig]

21-25 in almost any poll are guesswork and noise. If voters voted for their top 30 and then the final poll showed top 25, it would make more sense.

[Tribe4SF]

This poll has become as big a joke as the coaches poll. UMass four spots below my Tribe....Montana ranked above both teams that beat them...Elon ranked with a 2-4 record. The "others receiving votes" really establishes just how bad this poll has become.

[panama]

What time does the Coaches Poll come out?

[PhoenixMan]

no reason elon still neads to be ranked... i know they played well against app, gsu, richmond, and duke but they lost all of those games...

I agree, as hard as it is to do so. Elon is not a top 25 team, and 2-4 should not keep ANY team in the top 25.

[GeauxLions94]

Others receiving votes: Furman 285, Western Illinois 280, Texas State 273, Jacksonville 192, Chattanooga 183, Grambling State 135, Northern Arizona 100, McNeese State 67, Jackson State 66, Hampton 59, Dayton 58, Robert Morris 50, Central Arkansas 37, South Dakota State 37, Sacramento State 28, Colgate 26, Tennessee State 23, Harvard 19, Southeastern Louisiana 15, Nicholls State 12, South Dakota 11, Youngstown State 11, UC Davis 9, North Dakota 8, Indiana State 8, Florida A&M 8, Yale 6, Lehigh 4, Drake 3, Alcorn State 3, Weber State 2, Columbia 1, Dartmouth 1, Maine 1, San Diego 1.

Dayton and Jacksonville, Pioneer schools both are 5-1 and probably deserving of receiving votes, but that many???

The following have NO BUSINESS GETTING VOTES
Nicholls - 1-4, 0-1 Southland
North Dakota - 2-4, 0-2 Great West
San Diego - 1-5, 1-2 Pioneer
Drake - 3-3, 2-1 Pioneer
South Dakota State - 1-4, 1-2 MVFC (Sorry RabidRabbit)
Maine - 2-4, 1-2 CAA
Dartmouth - 2-2, 0-2 Ivy

Here's some teams that are not ORV but COULD get votes IMO ....
Morgan State (3-3, 2-1 MEAC)
Illinois State (3-3, 2-2 MVFC)
Central Connecticut State (4-2, 3-0 Northeast)
Samford (3-3, 1-2 SoCon)
Texas Southern (3-3, 3-1 SWAC)

[tribe_pride]

I would have to imagine that some of the Jacksonville and Jackson State are really Jacksonville State votes. Doesn't make it good, just saying.

[JMUNJ08]

Jacksonville 192
Robert Morris 50

Both 5-1 in the NEC and PFL, not top notch conferences but is there that much difference between them? J'ville lost to App St and Rob Morris to Dayton(correct if wrong) out of the PFL. But did J'ville impress the voters that much? For reference, J'ville didn't get 5 AGS voters to even make the ORV but Robert Morris is the first 3 out of the top 25...I think these 2 teams should almost be married to each other right now and voted for almost equally. What gives?xchinscratchx

[darell1976]

Dayton and Jacksonville, Pioneer schools both are 5-1 and probably deserving of receiving votes, but that many???

The following have NO BUSINESS GETTING VOTES
Nicholls - 1-4, 0-1 Southland
North Dakota - 2-4, 0-2 Great West
San Diego - 1-5, 1-2 Pioneer
Drake - 3-3, 2-1 Pioneer
South Dakota State - 1-4, 1-2 MVFC (Sorry RabidRabbit)
Maine - 2-4, 1-2 CAA
Dartmouth - 2-2, 0-2 Ivy

As a Sioux fan I have to very much agree.

[danefan]

Jacksonville 192
Robert Morris 50

Both 5-1 in the NEC and PFL, not top notch conferences but is there that much difference between them? J'ville lost to App St and Rob Morris to Dayton(correct if wrong) out of the PFL. But did J'ville impress the voters that much? For reference, J'ville didn't get 5 AGS voters to even make the ORV but Robert Morris is the first 3 out of the top 25...I think these 2 teams should almost be married to each other right now and voted for almost equally. What gives?xchinscratchx

Robert Morris should be married to Liberty, not Jacksonville.

Most of the 142 point difference for Jacksonville is probably due to voter error for Jacksonville State.

[udchuck]

Robert Morris should be married to Liberty, not Jacksonville.

Most of the 142 point difference for Jacksonville is probably due to voter error for Jacksonville State.

No way, my good man,Jacksonville should be rated better than they are rated. Jacksonville could beat most or the Teams rated higher than them.I have seen them play,they are the real deal. When the voters voted for Jacksonville they knew who they were voting for.

[udchuck]

Jacksonville 192
Robert Morris 50

Both 5-1 in the NEC and PFL, not top notch conferences but is there that much difference between them? J'ville lost to App St and Rob Morris to Dayton(correct if wrong) out of the PFL. But did J'ville impress the voters that much? For reference, J'ville didn't get 5 AGS voters to even make the ORV but Robert Morris is the first 3 out of the top 25...I think these 2 teams should almost be married to each other right now and voted for almost equally. What gives?xchinscratchx

If Jacksonville played Robert Morris 10 times Jacksonville wins 8 of 10. JMHO. I saw both teams play.

[JUDolphins]

I'm biased, but I think Jacksonville can compete with anyone outside the top 10. This is a very good football team gets slammed on this board because they don't offer scholarships and they are in the PFL.

But JU in the Ivy League and they would be in the top 25.

How anyone can vote for Elon in the Sports Network poll is beyond me. They are 2-4 - and they are ahead of Bethune-Cookman, who is undefeated (at least for one more week).

I ask the people that vote here, do you consider a team that is in 5th place in the SoCon over the PFL co-leader just because they are in the SoCon?

All a school can do is play the schedule in front of them. JU has done that and won every game pretty handily except one. The scores don't show it, but JU was in control of all of its PFL games thus far.

You look at the numbers they are putting up and it's hard to refute.

[OL FU]

no reason elon still neads to be ranked... i know they played well against app, gsu, richmond, and duke but they lost all of those games...

Yep, the best they can be is 7-4, hell at least wait until they are 5-4 to put them back in.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I'm biased, but I think Jacksonville can compete with anyone outside the top 10. This is a very good football team gets slammed on this board because they don't offer scholarships and they are in the PFL.

But JU in the Ivy League and they would be in the top 25.

Considering that defending Ivy League champion Penn made the Top 25 this week for the first time this year, care to revise your post?

Don't get me wrong, I know Jacksonville is pretty good. But I don't think they are better than Colgate. The Ivy League and Patriot League, while not the strongest leagues in the Top 25, have been massively underrated this year so far. For that matter, I think Harvard and Penn are better than all of the teams I've mentioned.

[JUDolphins]

That's what I mean. If JU was in 5-1 in the Ivy League, they would be in the top 25 - like Penn.

[danefan]

Considering that defending Ivy League champion Penn made the Top 25 this week for the first time this year, care to revise your post?

Don't get me wrong, I know Jacksonville is pretty good. But I don't think they are better than Colgate. The Ivy League and Patriot League, while not the strongest leagues in the Top 25, have been massively underrated this year so far. For that matter, I think Harvard and Penn are better than all of the teams I've mentioned.

Massively underrated??????

Wha..wha...what?

The Patriot League is a whopping 9-19 OOC this year with 4 of those wins coming against the Ivy.
The Patriot has ZERO good OOC wins this year.

How is the PL underrated? If anything the years of being overrated are starting to show some signs of correction. The 2003 Colgate teams is long gone LFN. Sorry to break it to you.

[WMTribe90]

Elon looked like a top 25 (even top 10) team agains ASU on Saturday. They easily pass the eyeball test. But, its week 6 and at some point you have to actually win some games. I have a hard time with any team with a losing record in the top 25 after six weeks. Like OL FU said, let them play their way back into the top 25 with some wins. It shows poorly for FCS to have multiple sub 500 teams in the top 25 at this point in the season. TX State, Furman, and Chattanooga are more deserving than the sub 500 teams.

[aceinthehole]

Considering that defending Ivy League champion Penn made the Top 25 this week for the first time this year, care to revise your post?

Don't get me wrong, I know Jacksonville is pretty good. But I don't think they are better than Colgate. The Ivy League and Patriot League, while not the strongest leagues in the Top 25, have been massively underrated this year so far. For that matter, I think Harvard and Penn are better than all of the teams I've mentioned.

This is hilarious! Keep it coming LFN, you loose credibilty with every PL homer comment you make.

Colgate eeked out a 1-pt win vs Monmouth, possible the 4th best team in the NEC.

Dartmouth was a missed FG away from losing to Sacred Heart, who in all likelyhood will finish last in the NEC.

Again, for the record:
NEC vs. PL (3-1)
NEC vs. Ivy (2-1)

[WMTribe90]

Massively underrated??????

Wha..wha...what?

The Patriot League is a whopping 9-19 OOC this year with 4 of those wins coming against the Ivy.
The Patriot has ZERO good OOC wins this year.

How is the PL underrated? If anything the years of being overrated are starting to show some signs of correction. The 2003 Colgate teams is long gone LFN. Sorry to break it to you.

Gotta agree. PL is fading and has been surpassed by both the NEC and Ivy League. No polling this year, but I wouldn't have any PL teams in my top 25 at this time.

[aceinthehole]

Dayton and Jacksonville, Pioneer schools both are 5-1 and probably deserving of receiving votes, but that many???

The following have NO BUSINESS GETTING VOTES
Nicholls - 1-4, 0-1 Southland
North Dakota - 2-4, 0-2 Great West
San Diego - 1-5, 1-2 Pioneer
Drake - 3-3, 2-1 Pioneer
South Dakota State - 1-4, 1-2 MVFC (Sorry RabidRabbit)
Maine - 2-4, 1-2 CAA
Dartmouth - 2-2, 0-2 Ivy

Here's some teams that are not ORV but COULD get votes IMO ....
Morgan State (3-3, 2-1 MEAC)
Illinois State (3-3, 2-2 MVFC)
Central Connecticut State (4-2, 3-0 Northeast)
Samford (3-3, 1-2 SoCon)
Texas Southern (3-3, 3-1 SWAC)

Yep, this OVR is what really kills this poll.

Jacksonville deserves consideration and votes, but San Diego and Drake? There is no way 4 PFL teams should be getting votes.

Dartmouth, really?

I can't give this poll any credibility with votes like that.

[aceinthehole]

That's what I mean. If JU was in 5-1 in the Ivy League, they would be in the top 25 - like Penn.

Agreed, the bias of the non-scholly PFL hurts JU (the NEC is still dealing with that, despite our AQ status). But the overall SOS will make it difficult to get higher than 22 or so.

I don't vote, but I would probably have JU at 25, or one of the next 4 out.

[GeauxLions94]

That's what I mean. If JU was in 5-1 in the Ivy League, they would be in the top 25 - like Penn.

Not with that schedule ...
Your signature win is against Old Dominion (3-3) and your lone loss is a 31-point decision at Appy (6-0) - likely your only one this season since the remaining schools on your schedule are a combined 9-18.

You've beaten Drake (3-3), San Diego (1-5) and Davidson (1-4) along with NAIA Webber International (4-2) ... that's an 18-17 combined record with Appy.

Your remaining schedule is:
Valpo (0-6), Marist (2-3), Morehead State (2-3), Butler (3-3) and Campbell (2-3)

[JUDolphins]

GeauxLions - you play who you play in your conference...that's all you can do. If JU was in the Ivy, they would be looked at in an entirely different light - with the schedule being altered of course to play the rest of the Ivy. I know I'm going to get blasted for this but the only difference between the PFL and the Ivy is that one has been around for 100 years and the other is made up of teams that wanted to keep football but had to move to FCS.

The bad teams in the PFL are really bad and that hurts the league's standing as well. But the top teams in the PFL, like JU and Dayton can compete with most of the teams in the country.

And it's not like JU is the only team to lose to ASU this season.

[JMUNJ08]

If Jacksonville played Robert Morris 10 times Jacksonville wins 8 of 10. JMHO. I saw both teams play.

That's fine and I would maybe go 7/3 with just checking out the results myself but both are 5-1 playing from low AQ and non qualifier leagues. Not much difference in their competition so far...

[danefan]

GeauxLions - you play who you play in your conference...that's all you can do. If JU was in the Ivy, they would be looked at in an entirely different light - with the schedule being altered of course to play the rest of the Ivy. I know I'm going to get blasted for this but the only difference between the PFL and the Ivy is that one has been around for 100 years and the other is made up of teams that wanted to keep football but had to move to FCS.

The bad teams in the PFL are really bad and that hurts the league's standing as well. But the top teams in the PFL, like JU and Dayton can compete with most of the teams in the country.

And it's not like JU is the only team to lose to ASU this season.

I feel for you JUDolphins, I really do. You're in the same position us NEC fans were in for the last 3 or 4 years. I can't tell you how much of a relief it is to know that our champion will finally have a chance to prove it on the field. I'm really hoping the PFL gets that AQ for next year.

[danefan]

That's fine and I would maybe go 7/3 with just checking out the results myself but both are 5-1 playing from low AQ and non qualifier leagues. Not much difference in their competition so far...

Well, I'm not sure its that cut and dry.

JU has played the best team on both schedules (ASU) but lost handidly to them.

RMU does have a win over a top 20 team (which is the 2nd best team on either schedule).

Both are hard to figure out. RMU's loss to Dayton is tough. But JU's signature win is over an unranked 3-3 ODU without a good win themselves.

What I'd really like to know is how Liberty has created so much separation from RMU? I'm fine with Liberty being ranked higher, despite the head-to-head loss, but I don't really understand the huge gap between them in most polls now.

[JMUNJ08]

Not with that schedule ...
Your signature win is against Old Dominion (3-3) and your lone loss is a 31-point decision at Appy (6-0) - likely your only one this season since the remaining schools on your schedule are a combined 9-18.

You've beaten Drake (3-3), San Diego (1-5) and Davidson (1-4) along with NAIA Webber International (4-2) ... that's an 18-17 combined record with Appy.

Your remaining schedule is:
Valpo (0-6), Marist (2-3), Morehead State (2-3), Butler (3-3) and Campbell (2-3)

I like Jacksonville but they have ZERO reason with that remaining schedule to NOT go 10-1...pressures on Dolphins!

[JMUNJ08]

Well, I'm not sure its that cut and dry.

JU has played the best team on both schedules (ASU) but lost handidly to them.

RMU has played the 2nd best team on either schedule (Liberty) and beat them.

Both are hard to figure out.

What I'd really like to know is how Liberty has created so much separation from RMU? I'm fine with Liberty being ranked higher, despite the head-to-head loss, but I don't really understand the huge gap between them in most polls now.

Somehow pollsters see the FBS Ball State win as a positive...thats a jab more at Ball State than you. Thats the only real difference. Liberty has also built up some street cred (not much) to stay on people's minds as they get toward 20-25 from the last few years while Robert Morris just creeped up this year. Most pollsters know CCSU and Albany from the NEC but not the league leader for 2010...

[Lehigh Football Nation]

This is hilarious! Keep it coming LFN, you loose credibilty with every PL homer comment you make.


Gotta agree. PL is fading and has been surpassed by both the NEC and Ivy League. No polling this year, but I wouldn't have any PL teams in my top 25 at this time.


Jacksonville deserves consideration and votes, but San Diego and Drake? There is no way 4 PFL teams should be getting votes.


Your signature win is against Old Dominion (3-3) and your lone loss is a 31-point decision at Appy (6-0) - likely your only one this season since the remaining schools on your schedule are a combined 9-18.

You've beaten Drake (3-3), San Diego (1-5) and Davidson (1-4) along with NAIA Webber International (4-2) ... that's an 18-17 combined record with Appy.

Your remaining schedule is:
Valpo (0-6), Marist (2-3), Morehead State (2-3), Butler (3-3) and Campbell (2-3)

Keep going down this path. You'll get there.

Incidentally, where was the part where I said the IVY LEAGUE was massively underrated exactly rebuffed? Penn and Harvard are way better than Elon and Texas State, I'd bet a shoe sandwich on it. Nobody said anything about Dartmouth. The Ivy League champions would throttle whomever emerges as the playoff team in the NEC, whether Robert Morris or anybody.

The PL is having a down year - I'll be the first to tell you that - but rating Colgate below 1-4 South Dakota State and 3 or 4 PFL teams is just stupid. They are a solid team - as anyone who saw the Colgate/Syracuse game could tell you.

And don't give me the fact that I'm hating on the NEC. I've voted for Robert Morris in my polls for weeks.

[danefan]

Keep going down this path. You'll get there.

Incidentally, where was the part where I said the IVY LEAGUE was massively underrated exactly rebuffed? Penn and Harvard are way better than Elon and Texas State, I'd bet a shoe sandwich on it. Nobody said anything about Dartmouth. The Ivy League champions would throttle whomever emerges as the playoff team in the NEC, whether Robert Morris or anybody.

The PL is having a down year - I'll be the first to tell you that - but rating Colgate below 1-4 South Dakota State and 3 or 4 PFL teams is just stupid. They are a solid team - as anyone who saw the Colgate/Syracuse game could tell you.

And don't give me the fact that I'm hating on the NEC. I've voted for Robert Morris in my polls for weeks.

OK, OK LFN. We'll let you live out that fantasy for a while. Its a cute way to artificially inflate the PL's SOS though. Creative.

[OL FU]

Keep going down this path. You'll get there.

Incidentally, where was the part where I said the IVY LEAGUE was massively underrated exactly rebuffed? Penn and Harvard are way better than Elon and Texas State, I'd bet a shoe sandwich on it. Nobody said anything about Dartmouth. The Ivy League champions would throttle whomever emerges as the playoff team in the NEC, whether Robert Morris or anybody.

The PL is having a down year - I'll be the first to tell you that - but rating Colgate below 1-4 South Dakota State and 3 or 4 PFL teams is just stupid. They are a solid team - as anyone who saw the Colgate/Syracuse game could tell you.

And don't give me the fact that I'm hating on the NEC. I've voted for Robert Morris in my polls for weeks.

Just wondering who Harvard has played so I can make that judgement, or who they will play so I can ever make that judgementxeyebrowx

[danefan]

Just wondering who Harvard has played so I can make that judgement, or who they will play so I can ever make that judgementxeyebrowx

Duhhhh OL - you are just supposed to take LFN's word for it.....you know just like we all know how "massively underrated" the PL is this year.

[Schfourteenteen]

What I'd really like to know is how Liberty has created so much separation from RMU? I'm fine with Liberty being ranked higher, despite the head-to-head loss, but I don't really understand the huge gap between them in most polls now.

It's been explaned already, but I completely agree with this. I also don't think Liberty should be in the teens yet. Ball State is a name and not much else.

[danefan]

Hey, BTW LFN - when does your GPI come out? You guys still pulling levers and changing formulas to make sure the NEC isn't ranked higher than the PL and Ivy as a conference? xeyebrowxxshhhxxshhhxxshhhxxeyebrowx

[superman7515]

I guess 0-5 is the tipping point. After weeks of receiving points, Delaware State has finally dropped out completely.

[aceinthehole]

The Ivy League champions would throttle whomever emerges as the playoff team in the NEC, whether Robert Morris or anybody.

Yeah, well if Yale wins the Ivy (which is very probably), we know they already lost to a NEC team (Albany) this year.

Of course, Columbia could emerge as the Ivy champ - a team that lost to CCSU last season.

Brown needed OT to beat a current Big South and former NEC member Stony Brook.

Penn could win, but with wins over Lafayette and Bucknell and a loss to 'Nova in non-conference play, they have a pretty unspectatular resume.

Oh, Harvard with win over Lafayette and HC are so impressive, they could sweep the PL with a win over Lehigh this week - impressive.

[JUDolphins]

You're exactly right - JU has no business not going 10-1 now. The pressure is on the boys to perform the rest of the way and then let the chips fall where they may.

[GeauxLions94]

And it's not like JU is the only team to lose to ASU this season.

You're right JU, but here's Appy's results so far ...
at Chatty, W 42-41
JU, W 45-14
North Carolina Central, W 44-16
at Samford, W 35-17
Elon, W 34-31

Sorry, the Fins are a low to mid ORV team at best

[RabidRabbit]

Dayton and Jacksonville, Pioneer schools both are 5-1 and probably deserving of receiving votes, but that many???

The following have NO BUSINESS GETTING VOTES
Nicholls - 1-4, 0-1 Southland
North Dakota - 2-4, 0-2 Great West
San Diego - 1-5, 1-2 Pioneer
Drake - 3-3, 2-1 Pioneer
South Dakota State - 1-4, 1-2 MVFC (Sorry RabidRabbit)
Maine - 2-4, 1-2 CAA
Dartmouth - 2-2, 0-2 Ivy

Here's some teams that are not ORV but COULD get votes IMO ....
Morgan State (3-3, 2-1 MEAC)
Illinois State (3-3, 2-2 MVFC)
Central Connecticut State (4-2, 3-0 Northeast)
Samford (3-3, 1-2 SoCon)
Texas Southern (3-3, 3-1 SWAC)


SDSU is where they were in 2007, the year they won the Great West, knocking off an undefeated NDSU to finish 7-4. At this time, I agree, SDSU deserves no votes.

[JUDolphins]

Geaux - you can look at the score of the ASU game and then you can have watched it...they were two completely different things.

JU scored to start the 2nd half @ ASU and made it 17-14. A young defense got stuck on the field a lot in the second half as we were trying to throw every play to get back in the game. When you leave a defense out there for almost 40 minutes, you're going to give up 28 unanswered to end the game - which doesn't show how competitive the game truly was, as most ASU fans can attest.

Two years ago, we went up there and got drilled. This time we gave them a workout. We just couldn't get the defense off the field.

[Dane96]

That all of these teams are ranked above Colgate is an embarassment.

I have Hampton above Colgate.

[Dane96]

The fact that any of these teams are ranked boggles my mind. We are through 6 weeks of play and .500 or below teams are considered the BEST 25 teams we have at the FCS?!?!? Elon is 2 games UNDER .500 and Richmond has no QB's left on their roster. The other 3 are so up and down that my best guess is they are 6-5 or 7-4 teams at best but to get to 7-4 they have to go 4-1 or 5-1 down the stretch and they haven't proven they are good enough to do what I would expect a Top 25 program to do.

Agreed. At this point in the season, many schools have a better resume then those teams. UNH is probably the outlier. As someone said, while Elon looked good against APPY...and while they have had a **** hard early sched...fact is, they didnt win the games. SIU will crawl back into my poll if they keep winning...but they are at least a win away from that...maybe two.

[Dane96]

When was the last time that Dartmouth and Columbia got votes the same week?xlolx

I like Columbia alot. They have won their games by nice margins...and on the road primarily. They deserve a vote compared to others....and I have given them a vote...first time in my life.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Of course, Columbia could emerge as the Ivy champ - a team that lost to CCSU last season.

You mean Columbia - the same Columbia that beat a CAA team?

But, oh, of course, they're Ivy League, so they're no good. xrolleyesx

[Dane96]

If Jacksonville played Robert Morris 10 times Jacksonville wins 8 of 10. JMHO. I saw both teams play.

Where did you see them play.

Jacksonville played ASU tough. That's it.

Liberty, receiving votes...lost to JMU.

This is pretty ****ing simple. This part...this is the tongue in cheek park. Because...my statement is equally as out-of-left field as your statement.

Truth be told, I have Jacksonville at 26. I still dont know what to make of RMU...but the win over Liberty (even with the UD loss) puts them ahead of Jacksonville...for now.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Penn could win, but with wins over Lafayette and Bucknell and a loss to 'Nova in non-conference play, they have a pretty unspectatular resume.

You mean Penn - a team that led the defending champs going into the 4th quarter? Nah, no good. They're Ivy League, right?

[Dane96]

Keep going down this path. You'll get there.

Incidentally, where was the part where I said the IVY LEAGUE was massively underrated exactly rebuffed? Penn and Harvard are way better than Elon and Texas State, I'd bet a shoe sandwich on it. Nobody said anything about Dartmouth. The Ivy League champions would throttle whomever emerges as the playoff team in the NEC, whether Robert Morris or anybody.

The PL is having a down year - I'll be the first to tell you that - but rating Colgate below 1-4 South Dakota State and 3 or 4 PFL teams is just stupid. They are a solid team - as anyone who saw the Colgate/Syracuse game could tell you.

And don't give me the fact that I'm hating on the NEC. I've voted for Robert Morris in my polls for weeks.

You are starting to become a bore. I HAVE WATCHED HARVARD...IN PERSON. They are not better than ELON (who I have watched twice on TV now). Not even in the same stratosphere.

You are pissed that you dont have rides...and I feel for you. But don't let it cloud your judgment, which it has lately.

[CAAisBOSS]

You mean Penn - a team that led the defending champs going into the 4th quarter? Nah, no good. They're Ivy League, right?

defending national champs that got absolutely embarassed by WM?

[udchuck]

Where did you see them play.

Jacksonville played ASU tough. That's it.

Liberty, receiving votes...lost to JMU.

This is pretty ****ing simple. This part...this is the tongue in cheek park. Because...my statement is equally as out-of-left field as your statement.

Truth be told, I have Jacksonville at 26. I still don't know what to make of RMU...but the win over Liberty (even with the UD loss) puts them ahead of Jacksonville...for now.

I don't have the time or inclination to list all the games,it's my humble OPINION,after seeing the teams play.OK--Enough said.

[401ks]

I like Columbia alot. They have won their games by nice margins...and on the road primarily. They deserve a vote compared to others....and I have given them a vote...first time in my life.

Columbia is doing well this season so far, and may deserve a vote in the Top 25.

However...

A.) ALL of their games have been home games.

B.) They lost at home to 4-loss Fordham. (The best team they've played so far.)

C.) Season-to-date record of Columbia's opponents is: 4-17

[ndstate]

As a Sioux fan I have to very much agree.

I sound bias as a NDSU guy but a loss to SUU doesnt help UND's case

[Dane96]

I don't have the time or inclination to list all the games,it's my humble OPINION,after seeing the teams play.OK--Enough said.

So...you have seen those teams so many times this year that you can't list where it has been? There have been a total of 10 or so games this year between the two.

Me thinks words are coming out of fingertips that may not be..........

[Dane96]

Columbia is doing well this season so far, and may deserve a vote in the Top 25.

However...

A.) ALL of their games have been home games.

B.) They lost at home to 4-loss Fordham. (The best team they've played so far.)

C.) Season-to-date record of Columbia's opponents is: 4-17

You are right...and when I typed that I was worried I was making a mistake; I couldn't remember if it was Hampton or Columbia...both teams I looked long and hard at. It was Hampton that one on the road more than a couple of times.