SoCon Preseason Team and Order of Finish

[smallcollegefbfan]

2010 Southern Conference Football Preseason All-Conference Teams

Offensive Player of the Year: Scott Riddle, Sr., QB, Elon
Defensive Player of the Year: Bryce Smith, Sr., LB, Samford

First Team Offense
QB Scott Riddle, Sr., Elon
RB Devon Moore, Sr., Appalachian State
RB Chris Evans, Sr., Samford
OL Brett Irvin, Sr., Appalachian State
OL Pat Mills, Sr., Appalachian State
OL Thomas Gray, Sr., Samford
OL Chris Harr, Sr., Chattanooga
OL Pat Illig, Sr., Wofford
TE Ben Jorden, Jr., Appalachian State
WR Adam Mims, Sr., Furman
WR Brian Quick, Jr., Appalachian State

First Team Defense
DL Jabari Fletcher, Sr., Appalachian State
DL Lanston Tanyi, Jr., Appalachian State
DL Brandon Ward, Sr., Elon
DL Brent Russell, So., Georgia Southern
LB D.J. Smith, Sr., Appalachian State
LB Bryce Smith, Sr., Samford
LB Kadarron Anderson, Jr., Furman
DB Mark LeGree, Sr., Appalachian State
DB Cortez Allen, Sr., The Citadel
DB Buster Skrine, Sr., Chattanooga
DB Mitchell Bell, Sr., Western Carolina

First Team Specialists
PK Jason Vitaris, Sr., Appalachian State
P Bob Hooper, Sr., Samford
RS Adam Mims, Sr., Furman

Second Team Offense
QB B.J. Coleman, Jr., Chattanooga
RB Tersoo Uhaa, Jr., Furman
RB Mike Rucker, Sr., Wofford
OL Daniel Kilgore, Sr., Appalachian State
OL Clark Bishop, Sr., Wofford
OL Matt Ruff, Jr., Appalachian State
OL Rodney Austin, Jr., Elon
OL Ryan Lee, Jr., Furman
TE Alex Sellars, Sr., The Citadel
WR Riley Hawkins, Jr. Samford
WR Marquell Pittman, Sr., Western Carolina

Second Team Defense
DL Jordan Gibson, Sr., Elon
DL John Michael Clay, Jr., Samford
DL Josh Williams, So., Chattanooga
DL (tie) Ameet Pall, Jr., Wofford
DL (tie) Eric Eberhardt, Jr., Wofford
LB Joshua Jones, Jr., Elon
LB Ryan Consiglio, Jr., Chattanooga
LB Mike Niam, Jr., Wofford
DB Terell Wilson , Sr., Elon
DB Max Lerner, Sr., Furman
DB Ed Gainey, Jr., Appalachian State
DB Laron Scott, Jr., Georgia Southern

Second Team Specialists
PK Blake Bostic, Sr., Western Carolina
P Mike Hammons, Jr., Chattanooga
RS Richie Fordham, Jr., Samford

NOTE: Coaches were not permitted to vote for their own players.

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[smallcollegefbfan]

Here is the order of finish:

2010 SoCon Football Preseason Coaches Poll

Place School (First-place votes) Points
1. Appalachian State (7) 63
2. Elon (2) 58
3. Furman 41
4. Samford 39
5. Chattanooga 37
6. Wofford 36
7. Georgia Southern 25
8. The Citadel 14
9. Western Carolina 11

NOTE: Coaches were not permitted to vote for their own team

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[smallcollegefbfan]

I must say I think the blatant disrespect to Mark LeGree is crazy. He is by far the best defensive player in the SoCon and not the DEF POY. That is quite a joke. Not sure why the coaches continue to not give him his dues. NFL teams like him so how come the coaches don't? Just to give you guys an example Bryce Smith is not even listed as a NFL prospect on the scouting watch lists given to us by the NFL Scouting Combine but LeGree is listed as a borderline draftable player.

[T-Dog]

I wonder who was the other coach to vote for Elon. Coaches can't vote for their own teams so that accounts for one Elon vote, but the other?

[Saint3333]

The coaches may not have received the memo that ASU's WR Cline was granted another year of eligibility. He led the team in receptions and yards last year.

I don't think Gainey will make the list at year's end, but ASU's R. Fr. Troy Sanders and Jeremy Kimbrough may.

ASU has significant questions at DT and QB, but they are as talented as they've ever been at every other position on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately those two positions can be the difference in a deep playoff run and going 7-4.

[smallcollegefbfan]

The coaches may not have received the memo that ASU's WR Cline was granted another year of eligibility. He led the team in receptions and yards last year.

I don't think Gainey will make the list at year's end, but ASU's R. Fr. Troy Sanders and Jeremy Kimbrough may.

ASU has significant questions at DT and QB, but they are as talented as they've ever been at every other position on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately those two positions can be the difference in a deep playoff run and going 7-4.

In ASU's offense it is just as easy that only one receiver will have the numbers to make the postseason team as it is with two making it.

[PhoenixPhan06]

I must say I think the blatant disrespect to Mark LeGree is crazy. He is by far the best defensive player in the SoCon and not the DEF POY. That is quite a joke. Not sure why the coaches continue to not give him his dues. NFL teams like him so how come the coaches don't? Just to give you guys an example Bryce Smith is not even listed as a NFL prospect on the scouting watch lists given to us by the NFL Scouting Combine but LeGree is listed as a borderline draftable player.

I agree that Legree should be DPOY at this point. Barring any upforseen circumstances, he should be there at season's end. I'm thrilled to see Scott Riddle getting some love with the OPOY prediction!!

[smallcollegefbfan]

I agree that Legree should be DPOY at this point. Barring any upforseen circumstances, he should be there at season's end. I'm thrilled to see Scott Riddle getting some love with the OPOY prediction!!

Riddle has to be the OFF POY at this point. There is not doubt he should be unanimous at this point for that. I just think LeGree should have been the DEF POY, probably even unanimous. He is the most impressive defender in the SoCon.

For the record I think the SoCon has a TON of defensive talent. These LBs and DBs are probably as deep as I have seen in years past. Anyone else notice that Ryan Steed of Furman did not make the list? That is a pretty darn good group when a player like Steed doesn't quite receive enough votes for the team. This should be a great year in the SoCon!

[SideLine Shooter]

The coaches may not have received the memo that ASU's WR Cline was granted another year of eligibility. He led the team in receptions and yards last year.

I don't think Gainey will make the list at year's end, but ASU's R. Fr. Troy Sanders and Jeremy Kimbrough may.

ASU has significant questions at DT and QB, but they are as talented as they've ever been at every other position on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately those two positions can be the difference in a deep playoff run and going 7-4.


Don't forget about Coco. So many weapons. I'm really looking forward to the season.

[PhoenixSupreme]

I wonder who was the other coach to vote for Elon. Coaches can't vote for their own teams so that accounts for one Elon vote, but the other?

I'm quite curious myself who the 2nd coach was since Coach Moore was obviously one. By my guess also, both Elon and ASU swept every one of the 1st place and 2nd place votes.

[SideLine Shooter]

I'm quite curious myself who the 2nd coach was since Coach Moore was obviously one. By my guess also, both Elon and ASU swept every one of the 1st place and 2nd place votes.

Probably Bobby Lamb.

[OL FU]

I'm quite curious myself who the 2nd coach was since Coach Moore was obviously one. By my guess also, both Elon and ASU swept every one of the 1st place and 2nd place votes.

If you base it on last years results, I would go with Higgins. Played ASU close, got walloped by Elon.

[OL FU]

Probably Bobby Lamb.

I don't doubt that Lamb is no fan of ASU. But I doubt. We gave Elon all they could handle last year and ASU didn't even let us get out of the gate.

As I said, I am going with Higgins.

[elcid83]

Things don't look too good for The Citadel. I'm beginning to wonder if Coach Higgins will be around long enough to turn our program around.

[OL FU]

It's interesting. I think the move back to the TO is a good move for the Bulldogs. I just wonder if the decision wasn't made too late. The Citadel isn't GSU. I think GSU can make the TO successful fairly quickly. While I think the Citadel can be succesful with the TO, I would be concerned that it might take more than two years to get there.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

I must say I think the blatant disrespect to Mark LeGree is crazy. He is by far the best defensive player in the SoCon and not the DEF POY. That is quite a joke. Not sure why the coaches continue to not give him his dues. NFL teams like him so how come the coaches don't? Just to give you guys an example Bryce Smith is not even listed as a NFL prospect on the scouting watch lists given to us by the NFL Scouting Combine but LeGree is listed as a borderline draftable player.

IMO it's not about who has the most NFL potential but who has the most impact on their side of the ball. Unless a DB can bring in a ton of INTs (as in double digits for the season) I don't think it's going to be a DB unless that DB blitzes and gets a good many sacks and TFL as well. It's the same with offense...if a TE was the best NFL prospect in the SoCon would you want that person to be voted preseason OPOTY over an Armanti Edwards type player who most likely isn't going to play QB in the NFL? A good linebacker just adds more to a defense than a good defensive back. It's exactly the reason why the vast majority of the Buck Buchanen award winners are linebackers and defensive ends.


It's interesting. I think the move back to the TO is a good move for the Bulldogs. I just wonder if the decision wasn't made too late. The Citadel isn't GSU. I think GSU can make the TO successful fairly quickly. While I think the Citadel can be succesful with the TO, I would be concerned that it might take more than two years to get there.

You are right. GSU won't have blazing team speed but we have Jaybo Shaw and having him will make the transition much less painless. The learning curve for the A-backs and receivers isn't as steep. If GSU can beat Savannah State and Coastal and then take down Elon in Statesboro and start out 3-1, I honestly think the offense will be running smoothly enough at that point that we could sneak into the playoffs or at least be in the running for the SoCon title until late season.

We won't finish in the bottom 3, I can tell you that much as well.

[smallcollegefbfan]

IMO it's not about who has the most NFL potential but who has the most impact on their side of the ball. Unless a DB can bring in a ton of INTs (as in double digits for the season) I don't think it's going to be a DB unless that DB blitzes and gets a good many sacks and TFL as well. It's the same with offense...if a TE was the best NFL prospect in the SoCon would you want that person to be voted preseason OPOTY over an Armanti Edwards type player who most likely isn't going to play QB in the NFL? A good linebacker just adds more to a defense than a good defensive back. It's exactly the reason why the vast majority of the Buck Buchanen award winners are linebackers and defensive ends.

No definitetly not all about that but I'm just saying when you have a DB with his NFL stock who has produced like LeGree this is a snub. He is a two-time All-American and Nagurski Candidate while Smith is not. LeGree is no doubt the best player.

[elonjunky]

My question is where is Jamal Shuman he had a better season that both of the 2nd team RB's 3rd leading rusher in th conference 2nd only to T-Moble in total offence but not even 2nd team

[Skjellyfetti]

If you base it on last years results, I would go with Higgins. Played ASU close, got walloped by Elon.

If that who voted for Elon and why.... he must have forgotten the walloping we gave Elon. xsmhx

My guess is Wagner.

[OL FU]

If that who voted for Elon and why.... he must have forgotten the walloping we gave Elon. xsmhx

My guess is Wagner.

He wasn't at that game:D

[jmufan999]

app state's o-line must be frickin' ridiculous. i don't know how anyone is going to stop that running game. i still have nova #1 in the country, but i didn't know there was that much senior talent, especially on offense.

[smallcollegefbfan]

app state's o-line must be frickin' ridiculous. i don't know how anyone is going to stop that running game. i still have nova #1 in the country, but i didn't know there was that much senior talent, especially on offense.

I think for the most part people are overlooking ASU because AE is gone. To be honest if AE was back I think ASU could boast this as their best team ever in program history. They have 3 weaknesses right now: 1) uncertainty at QB 2) OL depth 3) DT depth and talent

The problem with their team is that if 1 or 2 OL starters go down or they have inconsistency at QB this could be a very up and down year for them.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

IMO ASU doesn't have to have a QB on the caliber of AE to be the best in the SoCon or even the best in the country. It's not just that AE is gone, though. The big question mark is that App. State is going to have a QB that is a redshirt or true freshmen. And yeah, Presley and Cadet were good QBs but they were both recruited when App still had Scott Satterfield and they threw the ball more and passed it less and neither are all that scary on a team throwing 35-40 times a game. And yeah, I realize Armanti won the NC as a true freshman but there's no way App. State's defense will be anything like it was that year and I seriously doubt the next QB will be as good as Armanti was as a freshman.

[GlassOnion]

IMO ASU doesn't have to have a QB on the caliber of AE to be the best in the SoCon or even the best in the country. It's not just that AE is gone, though. The big question mark is that App. State is going to have a QB that is a redshirt or true freshmen. And yeah, Presley and Cadet were good QBs but they were both recruited when App still had Scott Satterfield and they threw the ball more and passed it less and neither are all that scary on a team throwing 35-40 times a game. And yeah, I realize Armanti won the NC as a true freshman but there's no way App. State's defense will be anything like it was that year and I seriously doubt the next QB will be as good as Armanti was as a freshman.

The RS Fr QB App coaches are big on is along the lines of Ritchie Williams, definately a throw first, run second guy. And, if he starts over DP, he'll have something Ritchie didnt have, THE FINEST group of WRs at the FCS level. ASU's top three recievers will be joined this year by 3 more very capable RS freshman, and Cadet, now a full time reciever. If an opponent isnt worried about an App QB throwing 30 times a game, theyre gonna lose.

[Umpire]

Yeah, with four offensive lineman getting All-Conference honors and All Conference senior Devon Moore in the back field, App could be putting up late 90's Georgia Southern type rushing numbers this year. Then you got the receiving core and the QB won't have to do much on offense.

The big question will be can the defense clamp down with the new DC and his new kinks.

[GlassOnion]

Yeah, with four offensive lineman getting All-Conference honors and All Conference senior Devon Moore in the back field, App could be putting up late 90's Georgia Southern type rushing numbers this year. Then you got the receiving core and the QB won't have to do much on offense.

The big question will be can the defense clamp down with the new DC and his new kinks.

The defense looks good to me, with AAs on the line, at backer, and at safety. The only question I see is 1 of the DT spots, and their backups, but there will be something like 9 Jrs competing for those spots.

[OL FU]

I think for the most part people are overlooking ASU because AE is gone. To be honest if AE was back I think ASU could boast this as their best team ever in program history. They have 3 weaknesses right now: 1) uncertainty at QB 2) OL depth 3) DT depth and talent

The problem with their team is that if 1 or 2 OL starters go down or they have inconsistency at QB this could be a very up and down year for them.

Except for the one vote for Elon, who is over looking ASU. The are picked to win the SoCon and every poll or ranking I have seen has them top 5 or ten.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Except for the one vote for Elon, who is over looking ASU. The are picked to win the SoCon and every poll or ranking I have seen has them top 5 or ten.

Yes but just saying the ones who are saying ASU won't be very good. There are people who don't think ASU should be in the top 5 or top 10 and folks who don't think they will win the SoCon. If ASU struggles this year it will be because of AE's departure and it definitely seems that is the first thing folks are pointing to. I honestly believe the SoCon is going to be a tight race this year. I think you have to pick ASU to win the SoCon at this point but I could easily see the league being wide open, especially from 3rd place on. Furman could even be a top 20 team this year. I just have a feeling the SoCon, especially on defense, is going to be much better top to bottom than it was last year.

[OL FU]

Yes but just saying the ones who are saying ASU won't be very good. There are people who don't think ASU should be in the top 5 or top 10 and folks who don't think they will win the SoCon. If ASU struggles this year it will be because of AE's departure and it definitely seems that is the first thing folks are pointing to. I honestly believe the SoCon is going to be a tight race this year. I think you have to pick ASU to win the SoCon at this point but I could easily see the league being wide open, especially from 3rd place on. Furman could even be a top 20 team this year. I just have a feeling the SoCon, especially on defense, is going to be much better top to bottom than it was last year.


I agree that the SoCon should be tougher this year and I certainly hope at least one team is better on defense.xlolx

There will always be some that see a team losing one player and call in the doomsday squad. I didn't think ASU would replace Ritchie Williams with someone betterxrotatehx

I predict a fall off in QB (but I have been wrong before), but I think most people understand ASU ain't falling far if at all. at least I do.

[Bam]

'Nooga picked 5th. Any thoughts on that pick?

[SideLine Shooter]

'Nooga picked 5th. Any thoughts on that pick?

I would say they could finish 3rd to 5th. I will be able to tell you more on Sept. 4th around 6 PM. They were the most improved team last year and I don't expect that to change. I still believe APP is the cream of the SoCon, but they have to play consistantly good football the whole season because everybody guages where their program is by what they do against APP STATE. Everybody seems to play their best game against ASU, well except one that seems to have a brain lapse everytime they see the Black and Gold.

[OL FU]

'Nooga picked 5th. Any thoughts on that pick?

I'm going with 6th. Not that I really know and not that the difference between 5 and 6 is great. The coaches seem to think that you can divide the conference into three categories.

Top - ASU and Elon
Bottom - WCU, Cit and GSU
Middle - everyone else.

Personally, I think you slide Furman in the top with ASU and Elon and after that the coaches have it right.

[Bam]

I would say they could finish 3rd to 5th. I will be able to tell you more on Sept. 4th around 6 PM. They were the most improved team last year and I don't expect that to change. I still believe APP is the cream of the SoCon, but they have to play consistantly good football the whole season because everybody guages where their program is by what they do against APP STATE. Everybody seems to play their best game against ASU, well except one that seems to have a brain lapse everytime they see the Black and Gold.

Cool. EKU makes a road trip on 09/10 to 'nooga & was doing some fishing.

[SpeedkingATL]

I'm going with 6th. Not that I really know and not that the difference between 5 and 6 is great. The coaches seem to think that you can divide the conference into three categories.

Top - ASU and Elon
Bottom - WCU, Cit and GSU
Middle - everyone else.

Personally, I think you slide Furman in the top with ASU and Elon and after that the coaches have it right.

I would agree with sliding Furman to the top 3 (and possibly Wofford) and feel that GSU might surprise and move to the middle 3. ASU will miss AE, but I do think at times they put too much on AE and expected him to almost win games by himself. This years team may have an offensive balance that will help compensate for the unbelievable playmaking of AE. I do think it will be more of a run first approach and I do have some concern that about our QBs ability to get the ball to our playmakers "down the field". The defense should be a monster, hopefull much like the 05 unit with 2 DEs that can get to the passer and shut down DBs. Hate that 3 teams will now be running the option because the rush defense up the middle may be the weakness of this unit. The SoCon should be the strongest top to bottom that it has ever been with the idea that every team except the Citadel will be better than last year. Should be a lot of fun...

[gophoenix]

Here is the order of finish:

2010 SoCon Football Preseason Coaches Poll

Place School (First-place votes) Points
1. Appalachian State (7) 63
2. Elon (2) 58
3. Furman 41
4. Samford 39
5. Chattanooga 37
6. Wofford 36
7. Georgia Southern 25
8. The Citadel 14
9. Western Carolina 11

NOTE: Coaches were not permitted to vote for their own team

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With all of the anti-private school mentality in the SoCon and the talk that the private schools are the demise of the conference, it should be pointed out that 3 of the top 4 predicted tops are private schools.

[Saint3333]

The SoCon used to be the top FCS conference.

[apaladin]

These preseason teams leave a lot to be desired. Furman's Max Lerner is listed as first team but he lost his starting job to Mitch McGrath at the end of the year and if he starts this year it will likely be at another position.

[PhoenixPhan06]

The SoCon used to be the top FCS conference.

I think we're getting closer to being back in that territory. Need a few deep playoff runs by mulitple teams and a few NC's wouldn't hurt either.

[PhoenixSupreme]

If anything, the SoCon is deep enough to where each team beats up on another, thus lowering the rankings overall, and giving the illusion that the conference is overall worse than it is.

[OL FU]

The SoCon used to be the top FCS conference.

And now its the CAAxbawlingx Darn Richmond and Villanova. xlolx Too bad we can't add them to the SoCon where all the private schools belongxrotatehx

[gophoenix]

If anything, the SoCon is deep enough to where each team beats up on another, thus lowering the rankings overall, and giving the illusion that the conference is overall worse than it is.

App Fans used to blame VMI and ETSU for dragging the conference down.
Then it was the private schools.
Now, what's the excuse.

Imagine how bad they'll say the conference is once App isn't winning all the time.

[SideLine Shooter]

And now its the CAAxbawlingx Darn Richmond and Villanova. xlolx Too bad we can't add them to the SoCon where all the private schools belongxrotatehx

Exactly, maybe you can get Southern Cal (USC) to join up also!xlolxxlolxxlolx

[OL FU]

Exactly, maybe you can get Southern Cal (USC) to join up also!xlolxxlolxxlolx


We don't need any more cheaters. How bout Notre Dame, They aren't as good as they used to be so they will fit in well.xnodx

[SideLine Shooter]

We don't need any more cheaters. How bout Notre Dame, They aren't as good as they used to be so they will fit in well.xnodx

Absolutely, with usc and ND the SoCon might at least have a slight chance against the CAA. ASU might can't do it all by themselves. Although, they have been doing a real good job of representing.

[Saint3333]

GP - you sure do know a lot about ASU fans before Elon joining the SoCon...

ASU fans didn't have to blame ETSU and VMI for dragging the conference down because the SoCon was the best (Marshall, GSU, Furman, and ASU, 4 of the top FCS programs in one conference). ETSU had some decent teams, VMI didn't in the modern era.

As for what's dragging the SoCon down currently that's easy, it's GSU's fault (and Furman's drop off from a top 10-15 team).

Wofford, Elon (the last two years), and Samford programs are holding up there end IMO (top 40 teams with Wofford and Elon jumping up to top 10-15 teams in one of the past few years).

UTC is getting better and had it's first non-losing SoCon season in forever, WCU is getting better but is still a year or 2 away from competing due to depth.

Citadel is likely taking a step backwards this year.

Furman has its talent level back up and could be on the verge of being a playoff team again.

GSU has talent, but is likely 1 to 2 years away from a playoff team.

If GSU and Furman can get back to the norm and Wofford, UTC, Elon, etc. can maintain their level of play the SoCon can regain the top spot.

Elon fans are quick to forget the first 5-6 years they were in the SoCon. I'm sure it was painful and I'd try and block it out as a fan as well, but you were dragging the SoCon down. Elon was during that time what WCU has been the last three years. Glad to see Lembo turned it around.

[OL FU]

GP - you sure do know a lot about ASU fans before Elon joining the SoCon...

ASU fans didn't have to blame ETSU and VMI for dragging the conference down because the SoCon was the best (Marshall, GSU, Furman, and ASU, 4 of the top FCS programs in one conference). ETSU had some decent teams, VMI didn't in the modern era.

As for what's dragging the SoCon down currently that's easy, it's GSU's fault (and Furman's drop off from a top 10-15 team).

Wofford, Elon (the last two years), and Samford programs are holding up there end IMO (top 40 teams with Wofford and Elon jumping up to top 10-15 teams in one of the past few years).

UTC is getting better and had it's first non-losing SoCon season in forever, WCU is getting better but is still a year or 2 away from competing due to depth.

Citadel is likely taking a step backwards this year.

Furman has its talent level back up and could be on the verge of being a playoff team again.

GSU has talent, but is likely 1 to 2 years away from a playoff team.

If GSU and Furman can get back to the norm and Wofford, UTC, Elon, etc. can maintain their level of play the SoCon can regain the top spot.

Elon fans are quick to forget the first 5-6 years they were in the SoCon. I'm sure it was painful and I'd try and block it out as a fan as well, but you were dragging the SoCon down. Elon was during that time what WCU has been the last three years. Glad to see Lembo turned it around.

I refused to take the blame for anything:p

[OL FU]

The Media's votes.

Place School (First-place votes) Points
1. Appalachian State (22) 259
2. Elon (6) 231
3. Furman (1) 197
4. Chattanooga 157
5. Wofford 152
6. Samford (1) 141
7. Georgia Southern 116
8. Western Carolina 52
9. The Citadel 45

[gophoenix]

GP - you sure do know a lot about ASU fans before Elon joining the SoCon...

ASU fans didn't have to blame ETSU and VMI for dragging the conference down because the SoCon was the best (Marshall, GSU, Furman, and ASU, 4 of the top FCS programs in one conference). ETSU had some decent teams, VMI didn't in the modern era.

As for what's dragging the SoCon down currently that's easy, it's GSU's fault (and Furman's drop off from a top 10-15 team).

Wofford, Elon (the last two years), and Samford programs are holding up there end IMO (top 40 teams with Wofford and Elon jumping up to top 10-15 teams in one of the past few years).

UTC is getting better and had it's first non-losing SoCon season in forever, WCU is getting better but is still a year or 2 away from competing due to depth.

Citadel is likely taking a step backwards this year.

Furman has its talent level back up and could be on the verge of being a playoff team again.

GSU has talent, but is likely 1 to 2 years away from a playoff team.

If GSU and Furman can get back to the norm and Wofford, UTC, Elon, etc. can maintain their level of play the SoCon can regain the top spot.

Elon fans are quick to forget the first 5-6 years they were in the SoCon. I'm sure it was painful and I'd try and block it out as a fan as well, but you were dragging the SoCon down. Elon was during that time what WCU has been the last three years. Glad to see Lembo turned it around.

Uhm, every Elon fan out there knows that Elon drug the conference down those first handfuls of years in a very mid-90s VMI style of doing things.

It's not hard to know what App fans were thinking before we joined the conference. App fans are like a locust that push the propaganda machine (a la AppMan) like a plague on nearly every I-AA board that's been in existence since 1997, which is when we made our transition and the Elon fans started keeping up with the I-AA boards.

The SoCon was the best then, but ETSU and VMI still drug the conference down. Heck, the SoCon was still the best when Elon sucked.

[Saint3333]

Like I said it is GSU's fault ;-).

As for message boards in 1997 that is funny - they didn't exist (at the FCS level with more than 5 posters). Somewhere between 2000 and 2002 message boards became "popular" and you'd be hard pressed to find a board with more than 20 active ASU fans (not really meeting the definition of "locust") contributing to the conversation back then. Your opinion of ASU is based upon a handful of ASU message board fans in the early 2000's. You're anti-ASU propaganda is looking like a pot to kettle argument vs. these awful ASU fans. Time to move on.

[OL FU]

Like I said it is GSU's fault ;-).



xnodxxlolx

[gophoenix]

Like I said it is GSU's fault ;-).

As for message boards in 1997 that is funny - they didn't exist (at the FCS level with more than 5 posters). Somewhere between 2000 and 2002 message boards became "popular" and you'd be hard pressed to find a board with more than 20 active ASU fans (not really meeting the definition of "locust") contributing to the conversation back then. Your opinion of ASU is based upon a handful of ASU message board fans in the early 2000's. You're anti-ASU propaganda is looking like a pot to kettle argument vs. these awful ASU fans. Time to move on.

Just because App didn't have internet connections yet doesn't mean they didn't exist. The original popular I-AA board existed from 1996 on.

But again, how can I be right, an App fan disagreed with me?

[Saint3333]

ASU didn't have interest connections - nice 1st grade response...

The CNN SI board was first and had maybe 10 posters total, great representation, I'll stand by my statement of the handful of ASU posters has tainted your opinion and you've never let it go.

[Millwoch]

It's interesting. I think the move back to the TO is a good move for the Bulldogs. I just wonder if the decision wasn't made too late. The Citadel isn't GSU. I think GSU can make the TO successful fairly quickly. While I think the Citadel can be succesful with the TO, I would be concerned that it might take more than two years to get there.

I think you are right it will take some time...But we did devote this years recruiting class to the TO and will have 3-4 new QBs coming in specifically for the TO...Can a Knob adjust to everything else El Cid throws at them and start at QB(I say almost impossible but we may try). The question is the oline IMO. Can they make the adjustments needed to run the TO. I know they really worked hard to get the right scheme in. We should see a lot more downfield blocking and lots of cut blocking which they were not doing in the spread. I watched Coach Bodine and was really impressed with him in the spring. He was working over and over with the guys getting them in the right position. I hope the light will turn on quickly this fall.

Too many unanswered questions to rank us higher in SOCON, but we will cause teams problems this year. I think Higgins is safe as of now. I think he is well liked in Charleston amoung alums and admin. I think he get at least 2 years, but this could be a long one for us bulldog fans.

[ElonPride]

ASU didn't have interest connections - nice 1st grade response...

The CNN SI board was first and had maybe 10 posters total, great representation, I'll stand by my statement of the handful of ASU posters has tainted your opinion and you've never let it go.

Not that it matters all that much. Wasn't the Escribe board in existence first? Seems I remember reading that quite a bit before I graduated in '00.

[SideLine Shooter]

Not that it matters all that much. Wasn't the Escribe board in existence first? Seems I remember reading that quite a bit before I graduated in '00.


not sure, but thanks to Al Gored we have it now.

[ElonPride]

not sure, but thanks to Al Gored we have it now.

I'm sure you've heard the Ted Stevens "series of tubes," but for those that have not:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE

[gophoenix]

ASU didn't have interest connections - nice 1st grade response...

The CNN SI board was first and had maybe 10 posters total, great representation, I'll stand by my statement of the handful of ASU posters has tainted your opinion and you've never let it go.

Letting it go would imply that said ASU posters have stopped the things that tainted people in the first place. Problem is, the opinions from that handful has grown into a fairly large portion of loud mouth complainers compared to the handful it started out as.

[sav eagle34]

I think you are right it will take some time...But we did devote this years recruiting class to the TO and will have 3-4 new QBs coming in specifically for the TO...Can a Knob adjust to everything else El Cid throws at them and start at QB(I say almost impossible but we may try). The question is the oline IMO. Can they make the adjustments needed to run the TO. I know they really worked hard to get the right scheme in. We should see a lot more downfield blocking and lots of cut blocking which they were not doing in the spread. I watched Coach Bodine and was really impressed with him in the spring. He was working over and over with the guys getting them in the right position. I hope the light will turn on quickly this fall.

Too many unanswered questions to rank us higher in SOCON, but we will cause teams problems this year. I think Higgins is safe as of now. I think he is well liked in Charleston amoung alums and admin. I think he get at least 2 years, but this could be a long one for us bulldog fans.

bodine was a great get for you guys. the spread can only go as far as the o-line will let them and having a coach with a lot of goodexperience running the t.o. cannot be overstated. just look at our coaching tree. the oc's are always the former line coaches. which by the way who will be calling the plays for you guys? and as far as the 3-4 new qb's, get used to it. every year there will be 3-4 new ones on the roster. those who dont win a spot on the depth chart move to a-back & wr.

[Saint3333]

Letting it go would imply that said ASU posters have stopped the things that tainted people in the first place. Problem is, the opinions from that handful has grown into a fairly large portion of loud mouth complainers compared to the handful it started out as.

I don't see the small percentage of ASU fans that you are talking about as any different than the posters on Elon's board, pot meet kettle. Are there more obnoxious ASU fans than Elon fans, of course, but larger percentage doubtful.

[cmaxwellgsu]

I think it's going to be tough going for y'all, but Citadel players tend to overachieve. Should be interesting.

[james_lawfirm]

Riddle has to be the OFF POY at this point. There is not doubt he should be unanimous at this point for that.

Why? He's big, he's slow, & he's got a cannon for an arm. Personally, I think a better case can be made for Devon Moore as OPOY. He rushed for 1,350 yds. LAST year & he'll be the go-to guy this year.

[Saint3333]

Samford's RB may have something to say about it as well. I also think they'll be some surprises (not that they would win the POY) out of this QB SoCon class with so many unknowns at ASU, Furman, and GSU.

[longtimemocfan]

I would say they could finish 3rd to 5th. I will be able to tell you more on Sept. 4th around 6 PM. They were the most improved team last year and I don't expect that to change. I still believe APP is the cream of the SoCon, but they have to play consistantly good football the whole season because everybody guages where their program is by what they do against APP STATE. Everybody seems to play their best game against ASU, well except one that seems to have a brain lapse everytime they see the Black and Gold.

Would have loved to seen this game left at 6pm. Think it would have been close to a sell out. Got over 15,000 last year for the opener against Glenville St. Now it has been moved to 3pm for T.V. (Sports South) Should still have a great crowd though.

[SpeedkingATL]

Would have loved to seen this game left at 6pm. Think it would have been close to a sell out. Got over 15,000 last year for the opener against Glenville St. Now it has been moved to 3pm for T.V. (Sports South) Should still have a great crowd though.

It's great to see some excitement and support for UTC football. I've been to the last 3 ASU/UTC games at Chatty and it was like a morgue with probably less than 3000 in that big nice stadium(regardless of what the announced attendance was). This means I might lose my tailgate spot right in front of the stadium???? I agree 6PM would have been sweet!

[elon77]

Why? He's big, he's slow, & he's got a cannon for an arm. Personally, I think a better case can be made for Devon Moore as OPOY. He rushed for 1,350 yds. LAST year & he'll be the go-to guy this year.

He is an outstanding player, but how is his supporting cast of RB's? A whole season of being the go to guy can be awful hard on a RB's body. Does he have any help?

[JROCK98]

He is an outstanding player, but how is his supporting cast of RB's? A whole season of being the go to guy can be awful hard on a RB's body. Does he have any help?

Moore has a great supporting cast. ASU will be 5 deep at RB on the year. Senior- Radford a VT transfer is a burner, Sophmore- Chisholm by some accounts close to the program may be the best running back of the 5 (just needs more game experience and learning the system), Junior- Baker shifty and fast, Rfr- Peacock who the coaches seem to be very impressed with coming out of last year.
Moore is the best overall back (running, blocking etc) of the group thus why he is the starter and go to guy. Moore also has tremendous work ethic.

[GlassOnion]

He is an outstanding player, but how is his supporting cast of RB's? A whole season of being the go to guy can be awful hard on a RB's body. Does he have any help?

Robert Chisholm
2009: Made the most of limited action, leading ASU with a 6.3 yards-per-rush average ... appeared in four games, carrying the ball 21 times for 133 yards ... all 133 yards came in two games — 54 on six rushes versus North Carolina Central and 79 on 13 carries against Georgia Southern ... earned academic all-conference recognition for achievements on the field and in the classroom.
2008: Redshirted.
High School: Rushed for a Mecklenburg County-record 42 touchdowns as a senior at national-power Independence ... amassed 2,496 rushing yards (7.4 yards per carry) as a senior ... helped lead Independence to its eighth-straight state championship game, but was limited to just six yards over his final game-and-a-half due to an injury suffered in state semifinals ... Shrine Bowl participant registered two 300-yard rushing games in ‘07 and added 215 receiving yards to his gaudy rushing totals ... named the 2006 Charlotte Observer Offensive Player of the Year after rushing for 2,237 yards (8.7 ypr) and 24 touchdowns as a junior at West Charlotte H.S. ... rated a two -star prospect by Rivals.com ... coached by Tommy Knotts.


Cedric Baker, played in 21 games, carried the ball just 45 times, good for a 5.2 yards-per-rush average in 2009. Carried the ball just 19 times but rushed for 183 yards, good for an amazing 9.6 yards per carry in 2008.

Devin Radford, played in 19 games, rushed for 520 yards with 6.9 ypc in 2008, injured late in season, battled injuries early in 2009, took over kick-off returns after CoCo went down before game ten, returned 12 kickoffs for 250 yards.

He's got a little help, and 4 out of 5 starting OL returning, with the top senior backup (16 starts, 35 games played) also returning. The OL has a total of 162 games played, and 92 starts.

[phoenixphanatic21]

Why? He's big, he's slow, & he's got a cannon for an arm.

Since when was having a cannon for an arm a bad thing?

[GlassOnion]

Since when was having a cannon for an arm a bad thing?

Insert "loose" before cannon.

[PaladinFan]

The argument is the same for Moore as with Riddle. They are both great offensive players, but at this point, they have reaped the benefits of being on the field with another great player who took the pressure off them. So, in my view, we know very little about how they will perform this season.

Moore had the luxury of an entire defense focused not on him, but on the quarterback. When 11 sets of eyes are on Armanti Edwards, you can find some gaps. Same with Riddle. Guy can play QB, no one doubts that. I'm anxious to see how he performs when he has to rely on more human targets. No DB in the conference could cover Hudgins one on one. There's quite a few that can cover the rest of Elon's receivers.

Also, don't go to sleep on Chris Forcier. If he brings to the table any amount of what I saw him do in the second half against Auburn, he's going to suprise the pants off the rest of the conference. He's got Riddle's arm and Moore's legs. If he puts the two together at the same time he will take over football games.

[gophoenix]

The argument is the same for Moore as with Riddle. They are both great offensive players, but at this point, they have reaped the benefits of being on the field with another great player who took the pressure off them. So, in my view, we know very little about how they will perform this season.

Moore had the luxury of an entire defense focused not on him, but on the quarterback. When 11 sets of eyes are on Armanti Edwards, you can find some gaps. Same with Riddle. Guy can play QB, no one doubts that. I'm anxious to see how he performs when he has to rely on more human targets. No DB in the conference could cover Hudgins one on one. There's quite a few that can cover the rest of Elon's receivers.

Also, don't go to sleep on Chris Forcier. If he brings to the table any amount of what I saw him do in the second half against Auburn, he's going to suprise the pants off the rest of the conference. He's got Riddle's arm and Moore's legs. If he puts the two together at the same time he will take over football games.

I agree.

Both App and Elon, and The Citadel, just became a lot more human. The players left are good, but losing a great is going to be a lot more of an issue than many fans are willing to admit.

The hit to Elon is going to be greater than to App. But at the same time, the loss of Hudgins may be a bit smaller than Edwards. Someone had to get Hudgins the ball where Edwards could do anything.

There have been a number of games over the past few season where Edwards went out (see how many go for the knees comments there are from this) and the backup came in and the App offense basically crumbled with Moore still in; where Elon would still march down the field on series where Hudgins was out.

[Saint3333]

GP trying to bait App fans and then complain about their posts, classic GP no doubt about it.

Anyway, as for replacing Edwards, this reminds me of the conversation on the local radio this morning with Tebow and Florida. While it will be difficult there was talent behind these players (as they both respectively have had top 5 recruiting classes the last 3 years at their respective levels). The difference of coming in behind AE and starting is getting those first team reps. These QBs at App has were recruiting by FBS teams so they are talented.

Elon didn't "march" down the field with Hudgins in the tough games (WF, Furman, App, UR). App looked pretty good vs. PC, Jacksonville, and NCCU without AE in the game but that's really not impressive.

Did you want App to run up the score vs. Elon last year?

[Skjellyfetti]

There have been a number of games over the past few season where Edwards went out (see how many go for the knees comments there are from this) and the backup came in and the App offense basically crumbled with Moore still in; where Elon would still march down the field on series where Hudgins was out.

Armanti was injured twice in games. Elon in 2008 and Elon in 2009. Not "a number of games"... and coincidentally to only one team.

[gophoenix]

GP trying to bait App fans and then complain about their posts, classic GP no doubt about it.

Anyway, as for replacing Edwards, this reminds me of the conversation on the local radio this morning with Tebow and Florida. While it will be difficult there was talent behind these players (as they both respectively have had top 5 recruiting classes the last 3 years at their respective levels). The difference of coming in behind AE and starting is getting those first team reps. These QBs at App has were recruiting by FBS teams so they are talented.

Elon didn't "march" down the field with Hudgins in the tough games (WF, Furman, App, UR). App looked pretty good vs. PC, Jacksonville, and NCCU without AE in the game but that's really not impressive.

Did you want App to run up the score vs. Elon last year?

Baiting App fans? Ha! Talking about the situations both teams have.

App run up the score? They couldn't. They got the quick points (what 21 or 28 to 0) and then completely stalled in that game and then without Edwards they fell apart offensively.

But I guess the difference is. Elon marched on teams that App couldn't last year.

[SideLine Shooter]

Baiting App fans? Ha! Talking about the situations both teams have.

App run up the score? They couldn't. They got the quick points (what 21 or 28 to 0) and then completely stalled in that game and then without Edwards they fell apart offensively.

But I guess the difference is. Elon marched on teams that App couldn't last year.


Wow! You must have been watching a different game than I was watching. It could have been a lot worse than it was. Coach Moore called off the dogs before halftime. You need to be thankful he is that kind of coach.

[SideLine Shooter]

Armanti was injured twice in games. Elon in 2008 and Elon in 2009. Not "a number of games"... and coincidentally to only one team.


Coach Limbo's defensive plan for AE. "GO FOR THE KNEES."xlolxxnodxxlolxxnodxxbowx

[ElonPride]

Armanti was injured twice in games. Elon in 2008 and Elon in 2009. Not "a number of games"... and coincidentally to only one team.

Hmm....he was quite injury prone through his career outside of Elon games. And yes, this WAS a "number of games." Suffered knee injury in '06 & '08 at the hands of GSU. Sat out GWU and Elon games in '07 due to an injury. Suffered and ankle injury at the hands of Presby in '08.....And there's the lawnmower incident. Pretty interesting stuff, especially seeing that crAppy fans always single out Elon for the "going for the knees." Some App fans love to call Elon players thugs, but look no further than your own program to find that.....

[SideLine Shooter]

Hmm....he was quite injury prone through his career outside of Elon games. Suffered knee injury in '08 at the hands of GSU. Sat out GWU and Elon games in '07 due to an injury. Suffered and ankle injury at the hands of Presby in '08.....And there's the lawnmower incident. Pretty interesting stuff, especially seeing that crAppy fans always single out Elon for the "going for the knees." Some App fans love to call Elon players thugs, but look no further than your own program to find that.....




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[ElonPride]

xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxbangx

Don't bang your head against that brick wall too hard. You might forget and blame the injury on Elon players.

[SpeedkingATL]

Baiting App fans? Ha! Talking about the situations both teams have.

App run up the score? They couldn't. They got the quick points (what 21 or 28 to 0) and then completely stalled in that game and then without Edwards they fell apart offensively.

But I guess the difference is. Elon marched on teams that App couldn't last year.

A pretty bold claim about "Elon marching on teams that App couldn't". Might want to consider Elon's number of wins against ASU or their playoff record against ASUs before claiming any type of superiority. I fully expect Elon to get "over the hump" at some point, but it just hasn't happened yet. It's hard to imagine you can consider last years game at Elon anything other than a beatdown, period.

[OL FU]

I, too, am optimistic on Forcier. But generally I am optimistic about our QB situation without him and into the future. We have some very good ones lined up for years to come. I certainly wish we would have seen more of him last year. Not as a starter but we had quite a few games where we had big leads or where we were behind by larger amounts and he and/or Worley should have seen more playing time. I was not a Sorrells basher. He was a **** good thrower and worked the offense we used well. But regardless of who the the QB is, we will have a QB that can run and pass. One of the strengths that Forcier brings (which many didn't believe when he first signed up) is speed. Guy is fast and will run by lot of defenders. I don't think he has tricky moves, won't be jukin' and jivin', but if you blink he may run right past you.

[Saint3333]

Baiting App fans? Ha! Talking about the situations both teams have.

App run up the score? They couldn't. They got the quick points (what 21 or 28 to 0) and then completely stalled in that game and then without Edwards they fell apart offensively.

But I guess the difference is. Elon marched on teams that App couldn't last year.

You obviously were baiting with the knee comment, don't backtrack now.

ASU couldn't march down the field on Elon, watch the tape or at least look up the stats - 486 yards of offense would disagree. It's called not running up the score.

You also may want to do some research before claiming Elon's offensive dominance vs. ASU (who arguably had a tougher schedule). ASU finished the season averaging 3 more points and 40 more yards in offense than Elon. Elon statistically had a better defense (note SOS not taken into account), but ASU's offense was better than Elon. Of course then there is that head to head comparison, you guys honestly performed better the year before (or ASU perhaps didn't take you seriously). You met a focused ASU team in 2009 that did whatever it wanted on both sides of the ball.

http://www.soconsports.com/fls/4000/socon/stats/football/2009/confldrs.htm

[GlassOnion]

App run up the score? They couldn't. They got the quick points (what 21 or 28 to 0) and then completely stalled in that game and then without Edwards they fell apart offensively.


I dont understand how you can watch your team, AND your stadium, get absolutely DOMINATED by App, yet still come back and talk. A second half field goal and a garbage time TD doesnt exactly scream greatness.

[PaladinFan]

When Edwards was hurt or played poorly, App did not play well. Granted, he didn't have to be superhuman for them to win, but he touches the ball so much and was such a special player, than when he went down or wasn't clicking, the Mountaineers were not as invincible.

Elon, also, didn't just "march" on teams without Hudgins. You'll recall that against Furman Hudgins had something like 19 catches for 200+ yards and Elon managed one offensive touchdown. You seem to suggest that absent Hudgins, some other player for Elon will make up for 19 catches and half the offense. I don't buy it. There's talent on that team, but no one close to the calibre of Hudgins.

[PaladinFan]

I, too, am optimistic on Forcier. But generally I am optimistic about our QB situation without him and into the future. We have some very good ones lined up for years to come. I certainly wish we would have seen more of him last year. Not as a starter but we had quite a few games where we had big leads or where we were behind by larger amounts and he and/or Worley should have seen more playing time. I was not a Sorrells basher. He was a **** good thrower and worked the offense we used well. But regardless of who the the QB is, we will have a QB that can run and pass. One of the strengths that Forcier brings (which many didn't believe when he first signed up) is speed. Guy is fast and will run by lot of defenders. I don't think he has tricky moves, won't be jukin' and jivin', but if you blink he may run right past you.

He reminded me, in part, of Ingle Martin at times. He's not going to side step 15 tacklers and run for 6 yards. He's more apt to roll out, pump fake a defender, and run for 25. Furman gained an incredible amount of yards in those days by requiring teams to respect the inside run, then rolling Martin out and forcing defensive backs to attack the quarterback and give up on the pass, or stay with the reciever and let Martin run right by you. I think the 2010 Furman team has that kind of makeup on offense.

Again, the only time I've seen Forcier in person was against Auburn. He was the fastest man on the field. That he threw a 50 yard touchdown strike to RJ Webb with a perfect feed on his shoulder is proof that he can throw, also. You put him in the backfield with two of the fastest backs in the SoCon, and there's a lot of potential.

[gophoenix]

I dont understand how you can watch your team, AND your stadium, get absolutely DOMINATED by App, yet still come back and talk. A second half field goal and a garbage time TD doesnt exactly scream greatness.

Typical typical typical.

Who said anything about Elon being great? All we're hearing over and over is how good App is. The same story every year. Your players should get all the awards. Your coach is the greatest. 1,000,000 fans go to every other empty stadium in the country because no one else has any fans. So, 15,000 at the game and I am sure the argument is 20,000 of those 15,000 were App fans. Because, hey, if you lie enough, anyone will believe it.... and listening to fans from the mountain seems to be like listening to politicians from DC.... App fans know everything, know it best, and no other opinion or fact really seems to matter.

And what about App last year, well outside of the Elon first half, screamed greatness? Nothing.

[gophoenix]

When Edwards was hurt or played poorly, App did not play well. Granted, he didn't have to be superhuman for them to win, but he touches the ball so much and was such a special player, than when he went down or wasn't clicking, the Mountaineers were not as invincible.

Exactly what I am saying. Edwards was great. Without Edwards, App looked no better than an Elon, Richmond, Furman or any number of other good teams.



Elon, also, didn't just "march" on teams without Hudgins. You'll recall that against Furman Hudgins had something like 19 catches for 200+ yards and Elon managed one offensive touchdown. You seem to suggest that absent Hudgins, some other player for Elon will make up for 19 catches and half the offense. I don't buy it. There's talent on that team, but no one close to the calibre of Hudgins.

Two Furman games that was true. But they didn't exactly have trouble running the ball or getting it to others either. To hear App fans talk, Edwards was the greatest player ever in FCS. He might be. And to lose Edwards really isn't a big loss. Those two arguments don't go hand in hand. Hudgins is a great player too. The loss is going to be big. But like I said, teams focused on Edwards. Hudgins was only double teamed.

[GlassOnion]

Typical typical typical.

Who said anything about Elon being great? All we're hearing over and over is how good App is. The same story every year. Your players should get all the awards. Your coach is the greatest. 1,000,000 fans go to every other empty stadium in the country because no one else has any fans.

And what about App last year, well outside of the Elon first half, screamed greatness? Nothing.

HA! youre insane! App made it to the semis! Where was Elon at? At home! along with 115 other FCS teams! Finishing top 3 is nothing to scoff at, and losing in the last second to Montana, on ESPN's most watched FCS game ever? And WHY shouldnt Edwards have won the Payton 2 years in a row, he was the best player, he won by a landslide vote, get over it. Legree is perfectly deserving of recognition, look what hes done. Maybe we should create a "Consolation Award," to give to an Elon player so their fans wont whine. Elon may be in the Socon, but until they keep it together, Appalachian State is in a different league.

[Apps03]

Don't most teams sort of stall offensively somewhat when the starter is out? I'm not understanding what the point of that arguement is.

I would agree that the team did not play as well when AE was hurt (what team would?) but I believe we still managed to win a majority of those games.

[Skjellyfetti]

Hmm....he was quite injury prone through his career outside of Elon games. And yes, this WAS a "number of games." Suffered knee injury in '06 & '08 at the hands of GSU. Sat out GWU and Elon games in '07 due to an injury. Suffered and ankle injury at the hands of Presby in '08.....And there's the lawnmower incident. Pretty interesting stuff, especially seeing that crAppy fans always single out Elon for the "going for the knees." Some App fans love to call Elon players thugs, but look no further than your own program to find that.....

No.

He did not suffer a knee injury in '06 or '08 against GSU or '08 against Presby (at least nothing remotely significant). He sat out the games in '07 because he reagrivated an injury that he received during camp.

Armanti Edwards surgeries from football:
Elon 2008- Elon player dives at Armanti while on the ground and tears ligament in his knee (flagged for 15 yard penalty)
Elon 2009- Elon player dives at Armanti's knee and tears ligament (legal, but sketchy as hell... especially considering what happened the previous year)

It's purely a coincidence that no other team seriously injured him.. and Elon does it two years in a row including a blatant unsportsmanlike play. xsmhx

[Skjellyfetti]

And what about App last year, well outside of the Elon first half, screamed greatness? Nothing.

You can't be serious with this bull****.

SoCon championship.
Semifinal playoff.
11-3
finished ranked #3

What has Elon done? Last season was the best in school history. 2nd place in conference. A first round playoff loss. Spectacular. xsmileyclapxxlolx

[Saint3333]

Typical typical typical.

Who said anything about Elon being great? All we're hearing over and over is how good App is. The same story every year. Your players should get all the awards. Your coach is the greatest. 1,000,000 fans go to every other empty stadium in the country because no one else has any fans. So, 15,000 at the game and I am sure the argument is 20,000 of those 15,000 were App fans. Because, hey, if you lie enough, anyone will believe it.... and listening to fans from the mountain seems to be like listening to politicians from DC.... App fans know everything, know it best, and no other opinion or fact really seems to matter.

And what about App last year, well outside of the Elon first half, screamed greatness? Nothing.

Keep digging a hole GP, stop the bleeding. Ask UR and Montana fans about ASU's team and their "greatness". Ask Furman and GSU about last year's ASU team while you're at it. Again ASU's offense was better than Elon's as proven even with a tougher SOS.

Look at the awards and championships over the past 5 years. The "claims" as you stated are supported by 3 national titles, 5 SoCon Championship, 1st or 2nd in attendance at the FCS level each year, 37 All-Americans (yes AE 4 times), 69 All SoCon players (yep AE 4 times).

The run may be over as many are proclaiming, but it's been a lot of fun to experience and by all accounts was one of the most dominating 5 year runs in 1-AA/FCS history. See you guys in October, this pissing match is over until then.

[PaladinFan]

Exactly what I am saying. Edwards was great. Without Edwards, App looked no better than an Elon, Richmond, Furman or any number of other good teams.



Two Furman games that was true. But they didn't exactly have trouble running the ball or getting it to others either. To hear App fans talk, Edwards was the greatest player ever in FCS. He might be. And to lose Edwards really isn't a big loss. Those two arguments don't go hand in hand. Hudgins is a great player too. The loss is going to be big. But like I said, teams focused on Edwards. Hudgins was only double teamed.

Edwards is in the conversation for all time FCS greats. If you are referring to the Furman game, Elon had a whale of a time trying to run the ball. I think Newsome had maybe 16 yards for the game.

[SpeedkingATL]

Typical typical typical.

Who said anything about Elon being great? All we're hearing over and over is how good App is. The same story every year. Your players should get all the awards. Your coach is the greatest. 1,000,000 fans go to every other empty stadium in the country because no one else has any fans. So, 15,000 at the game and I am sure the argument is 20,000 of those 15,000 were App fans. Because, hey, if you lie enough, anyone will believe it.... and listening to fans from the mountain seems to be like listening to politicians from DC.... App fans know everything, know it best, and no other opinion or fact really seems to matter.

And what about App last year, well outside of the Elon first half, screamed greatness? Nothing.

Your are correct. Pretty much has been the same story in the SoCon for the last 5 years....(looking forward to more of the same). Actually the conference balance should be the best it's been in forever this year.

On a different subject, I was impressed by Forcier's speed and ability to move during the 2nd half against ASU last year. I was very surprised that he didn't earn the starters position at QB last year. His arm appeared very strong but not sure how accurate it is as he seldom threw from the pocket in that game, not to mention the wet conditions.

As for Riddle, I fully expect him to be on an NFL roster next year and love him or hate him he plays with a linebacker's mentality which you've got to respect. He makes baseball as contact sport and is a better athlete than many on this board give him credit for! I wouldn't overlook Coleman at UTC either as an OPY candidate. Overall after a couple of somewhat "down" years in the SoCon I expect almost every team to be a little better than last year and hopefully the SoCo will compete with the CAA for playoff spots under the new 20 team format. And win another National Championship.

Let's kick this thing off already!

[Mntneer]

And what about App last year, well outside of the Elon first half, screamed greatness? Nothing.

Off the top of my head, a deep playoff run maybe? Seriously, you are unbelievable. Elon has come a long way with its program no doubt. There's a lot to be proud of. But frankly the App envy is just becoming unbearable. The bottom line Elon still gets steamrolled by App every. single. year. When you break that streak, come talk to us.

[ElonPride]

No.

He did not suffer a knee injury in '06 or '08 against GSU or '08 against Presby (at least nothing remotely significant). He sat out the games in '07 because he reagrivated an injury that he received during camp.
xsmhx

Again.....hmmm.....this is from ASU's own freakin' website (and notice I didn't say Presby injured his knee).

'06 Edwards suffered a mild knee injury in the draining triumph in Statesboro
'07 injured in practice (cheap bit by his own teammate? xrolleyesx)
'08 week later versus Presbyterian, had his best performance of the year to date (256 yards of total offense, including 220 through the air) cut short when he suffered an ankle injury midway through the third quarter
This past season. Lawnmower.

.....not sure where I came up with the '08 GSU thing...

The point is, his injuries were not isolated to Elon.

[Skjellyfetti]

Again.....hmmm.....this is from ASU's own freakin' website (and notice I didn't say Presby injured his knee).

'06 Edwards suffered a mild knee injury in the draining triumph in Statesboro
'07 injured in practice (cheap bit by his own teammate? xrolleyesx)
'08 week later versus Presbyterian, had his best performance of the year to date (256 yards of total offense, including 220 through the air) cut short when he suffered an ankle injury midway through the third quarter
This past season. Lawnmower.

.....not sure where I came up with the '08 GSU thing...

The point is, his injuries were not isolated to Elon.

That's why I said "at least nothing remotely significant" The '06 injury against GSU wasn't significant and he didn't miss any time. The '08 injury against Presby wasn't significant and he didn't miss any time. Players get injuries like this ALL THE TIME. Because he twisted his ankle doesn't mean he's prone to injury. And because Elon blew his knee out two years in a row (something no other team managed to do) doesn't mean he's prone to injury.

The only significant injuries he received were from Elon. One was a blatant personal foul/unsportsmanlike play where the Elon player dove at AE while he was lying helplessly on the ground.

[ElonPride]

The '08 injury against Presby wasn't significant and he didn't miss any time.

???? Can you read? Your own ASU website claims his performance at PC was "cut short" due to the injury. That's lost time, just like I'm sitting here losing time arguing when the facts are clearly in front of you. From your own practices, to Presby, to a backyard....the point of the matter is his injuries were NOT isolated to just Elon. But keep playing the blame game if it makes you feel better.

[biggie]

Every player has small injuries during games. Edwards usually came out of games or did not play because of the coaches decisions, if needed he would have played. The 3 big exceptions to that were after the Elon games and after Michigan (where he was tackled from behind and fell on his shoulder in practice, then reinjured during UM game).

Others seemed to have left out the hip-pointer during Elon '08 (as well as the knee), which was the main cause of him doing poorly in the '08 playoff loss (he couldn't run on the knee and couldn't plant/pivot for throws on the hip, thus 5 INTs).

[ElonPride]

The 3 big exceptions to that were after the Elon games and after Michigan (where he was tackled from behind and fell on his shoulder in practice, then reinjured during UM game).
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......And a lawnmower that kept him out of your season opener in '09.

[biggie]

......And a lawnmower that kept him out of your season opener in '09.
He could have played, he wanted to play, again coaches decision.

[PaladinFan]

methinks he was also injured in App's loss at Wofford a few years back.

[ElonPride]

He could have played, he wanted to play, again coaches decision.

That was meant to be sarcasm.....

[Skjellyfetti]

methinks he was also injured in App's loss at Wofford a few years back.

No. That was his shoulder that he hurt in camp and reinjured against Michigan.

[PaladinFan]

No. That was his shoulder that he hurt in camp and reinjured against Michigan.

I meant that he was injured, not that he got injured in the game.