The wrong guy won the Heisman

[JohnStOnge]

You're going to tell me that if you could have one player for a college team you'd take Reggie Bush over Vince Young? PLEASE.

[blackfordpu]

Young all the way!

This years Heisman vote should have waited until after this game since all three finalists were in the title game.

[AZGrizFan]

You're going to tell me that if you could have one player for a college team you'd take Reggie Bush over Vince Young? PLEASE.

Hell, up until midway through the 4th quarter, I'd have taken LenDale White over Reggie Bush, any day. But Young is a STUD. Unstoppable. I pray to GOD he comes out this year and falls to #10, or the Cardinals move up. He's worth every dime. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[JohnStOnge]

Young all the way!

This years Heisman vote should have waited until after this game since all three finalists were in the title game.

Bush won the Heisman because the media were infatuated with USC and he had a big game against a Fresno State team that had its defense gashed by Nevada, Louisiana Tech, and Tulsa. When the Heisman was awarded Young had accounted for a lot more yards and a lot more points than Bush had.

[colgate13]

Young was clearly the best player on the field last night. You could tell that halfway through the second quarter.

[bandl]

You're going to tell me that if you could have one player for a college team you'd take Reggie Bush over Vince Young? PLEASE.

Reggie Bush SUCKS! He isn't a real football player! There is no way he should even be drafted in the first 5 rounds of the NFL next year!!! How dare he even show up for the game last night!!! Vince Young showed everyone that he is the ONLY player in college football that can make big plays! Down with Reggie Bush! Down with him, I say! Nary a single NFL team would benefit from having Reggie Bush on his team next year!! He is absolutely horrible!!!

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[JohnStOnge]

Reggie Bush SUCKS! He isn't a real football player! There is no way he should even be drafted in the first 5 rounds of the NFL next year!!! How dare he even show up for the game last night!!! Vince Young showed everyone that he is the ONLY player in college football that can make big plays! Down with Reggie Bush! Down with him, I say! Nary a single NFL team would benefit from having Reggie Bush on his team next year!! He is absolutely horrible!!!

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Oh c'mon. No need to be sarcastic. Bush should be drafted highly. But he was not the best player in college football this year and the voters should've known that. They all had plenty of opportunity to see Young play. Before last night Young accounted for 3,619 yards and 35 TDs to Bush's 2,611 and 18. I don't see how anybody could argue that he doesn't change the game more and put more pressure on defenses than Bush does.

You take Bush away from USC last night and it's basically the same game. What do you think would've happened to Texas in that game last night without Young?

And I do think the media were overly impressed with Bush's performance against Fresno State. I didn't see the game but I have no doubt that Fresno State's defense was physically overmatched everywhere...especially on the line of scrimmage. You're talking about a defense that gave up averages of 36 points and 417 yards per outing in the subsequent three games against Nevada, Louisiana Tech, and Tulsa.

[bandl]

Oh c'mon. No need to be sarcastic. Bush should be drafted highly. But he was not the best player in college football this year and the voters should've known that. They all had plenty of opportunity to see Young play. Before last night Young accounted for 3,619 yards and 35 TDs to Bush's 2,611 and 18. I don't see how anybody could argue that he doesn't change the game more and put more pressure on defenses than Bush does.

You take Bush away from USC last night and it's basically the same game. What do you think would've happened to Texas in that game last night without Young?

And I do think the media were overly impressed with Bush's performance against Fresno State. I didn't see the game but I have no doubt that Fresno State's defense was physically overmatched everywhere...especially on the line of scrimmage. You're talking about a defense that gave up averages of 36 points and 417 yards per outing in the subsequent three games against Nevada, Louisiana Tech, and Tulsa.
I'm glad you noted my sarcasm. I laid it on pretty thick. :rolleyes: No doubt, both of them are GREAT players and should do very well for their future NFL teams. And no doubt, Young had a great game last night. But I am sure that ANY coach at ANY level would take EITHER player if they absolutely had to choose. :nod:

If you take Bush away from USC and Young away from Texas...NEITHER team would have been playing last night, and their season's probably would have been done before the new year. i.e., playing in the "Good Housekeeping Bowl" in Harrisburg, PA or the "Ovaltine Bowl" in Columbus, Ohio. ;)

I watched part of the game last night, but the fact of the matter for me is that I care more about my daily post-coffee poo, on schedule in about in 20 minutes, than I do about any I-A "National Championship" game. xazzx

[kardplayer]

Oh c'mon. No need to be sarcastic. Bush should be drafted highly. But he was not the best player in college football this year and the voters should've known that. They all had plenty of opportunity to see Young play. Before last night Young accounted for 3,619 yards and 35 TDs to Bush's 2,611 and 18. I don't see how anybody could argue that he doesn't change the game more and put more pressure on defenses than Bush does.

You take Bush away from USC last night and it's basically the same game. What do you think would've happened to Texas in that game last night without Young?



By these standards, QB's would win the Heisman every year - the best QB's undoubtably have more passing yards than any RB would have running yards and so "account for more yards".

Also, take away a great RB from a great team and replace him with an average one, and the team will still look good. Just look at the Denver Broncos - how many 1,000 yard rushers have they had in the past 5 years?

When you win a lot of games and keep winning a lot of games, you get the prizes. USC had won 33 straight (or whatever it was), and so they got the Heisman. I'm sure Vince Young would make this tradeoff every single time.

If he comes out and the Texans draft Bush over him, they deserve to be at the bottom of the NFL forever. If you have no offensive line, then a QB who can run for his life is exactly what you need.

[Reed Rothchild]

The "Heisman Jinx" strikes again!!!!!

Bush was the near unanimous choice. Had USC won, there wouldn't be much debate. The thing with Bush is that he faced the best defense he has seen all year and he still had over 170 yards and a td.

[Cocky]

Bush is a product of ESPN, while Young is a product of the football field.

[Tribefan]

Without Vince Young, Texas doesn't go undefeated this year. I don't even know if they would have won the Big 12.

Without Bush, USC has Jarrett, Leinart, White and probably three other players that are in the two deep that would have stepped up. They would still win the PAC-10 and be in a BCS Bowl.

[GeauxLions94]

I pray to GOD he comes out this year and falls to #10, or the Cardinals move up. He's worth every dime. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

"With the second pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, the New Orleans/San Antonio/Baton Rouge/Gulf Coast Saints select ....

VINCE YOUNG ... quarterback from Texas

Sorry Cards, if Young comes out you're gonna have to trade up with Houston to get him.

But of course, with the Saints track record, they're liable to pick some obscure lineman no one's ever heard of. :asswhip:

[Ivytalk]

Will Young come out, or will he hang around for one more crack at the Heisman?

[ewu guy]

Has Bush even had a game with more than 20 carries this year? Young absolutely dominated the game last night. Stepping through tackles, jogging into the end zone.....Look out Michael Vick, Vince Young will be the new standard for all around, athletic scrambling QB's.

[Marcus Garvey]

The Heisman is awarded after the regular season and BEFORE the bowls to, theoretically, give every player a fair shot. Based upon 12 regular season games, Reggie Bush deserved the Heisman over Vince Young.

But, if you watched the Rose Bowl and like to revise college football awards, Young appeared the better player. Without a doubt, he played a better game than Bush. But, Bush was an overwhelming winner of Heisman voting, so I don't believe the wrong guy won.

I feel bad for fans of the NFL team that draft Young with the intention of making him an NFL QB. That will be a wasted effort. But Young would be a great all-purpose back who can run and catch, and even throw the ball on the occasional trick play.

[gram4life]

I feel bad for fans of the NFL team that draft Young with the intention of making him an NFL QB. That will be a wasted effort. But Young would be a great all-purpose back who can run and catch, and even throw the ball on the occasional trick play.

Thank you, he is not a QB :nod:

[colgate13]

Didn't they say the same thing about Vick? I think an NFL team can get 3-4 years or more out of him at QB with the right supporting cast.

[McNeese75]

Thank you, he is not a QB :nod:


:lmao: And Reggie should be drafted as a DB :doh:

Young WILL be drafted as a QB and WILL be a great one. Get real and don't start with the crap about his throwing motion, jeeeez (afterall, does it seem to create a problem with his accuracy or distance?)

[Marcus Garvey]

Didn't they say the same thing about Vick? I think an NFL team can get 3-4 years or more out of him at QB with the right supporting cast.

And they're still saying it about Vick. Actually, Vick could be a good QB, but as long as Mora is his coach, it'll never happen. Vick remains a great player and a mediocre (at best) QB.

[blackfordpu]

All of the arguments about Young's arm not being any good this year must have missed the fact that he had the best PASSER rating in the nation.

[Third and Long]

Young all the way!

This years Heisman vote should have waited until after this game since all three finalists were in the title game.
Every award should be given out after the season. 2 years ago :confused: ... Jason White won, when Eli Manning earned it all year long. Jason White got a butt kickin' against LSU.

[Mr. C]

John, can we stop all of the trashing of how bad of a team my alma mater, Fresno State, is? USC would have lost to Fresno State if not for Bush's spectacular game. Fresno was one of the top 10 or 15 teams in the country before the USC game. Something happened to them after that loss and they were not the same squad the rest of the season. All of us Bulldog fans were well aware of FSU's foibles against UN-Reno, La. Tech and Tulsa. When I look at the entire season, I would take Bush over Young and if I had the first pick in the NFL draft, Reggie would be my choice. He will be a great RB for the Houston Texans.

[gram4life]

:lmao: And Reggie should be drafted as a DB :doh:

Young WILL be drafted as a QB and WILL be a great one. Get real and don't start with the crap about his throwing motion, jeeeez (afterall, does it seem to create a problem with his accuracy or distance?)

He will be drafted as a QB but he will not be a great one. He cant throw better than Vick and that's not saying much either.

[grizband]

Every award should be given out after the season. 2 years ago :confused: ... Jason White won, when Eli Manning earned it all year long. Jason White got a butt kickin' against LSU.
I think Larry Fitzgerald had a pretty good argument for the Heisman that year too. The knock on his was that a sophomore just doesn't win the award.

[AZGrizFan]

All of the arguments about Young's arm not being any good this year must have missed the fact that he had the best PASSER rating in the nation.

Amen bfp. I'd take him in a New York minute. I think Reggie Bushes are much more common than Vince Youngs.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The heisman isn't won for one game. Young had a terrific game last night but he also had some blah ones toom, remember A&M? Bush didnt have a bad game last night almost 200 total yards of offense+one bonehead play. Young overshadowed him but he also had the ball in his hand every play. Leinart, Young and Bush were all outstanding last night and to say one is better then the other would be tough to support. They might be the three best college players to ever play on the same field. I saw Bush do some unbelievable things this year, the Freson State game was perhaps the best individual performance i ever saw, Youngs last night is right there too.

[McNeese75]

He will be drafted as a QB but he will not be a great one. He cant throw better than Vick and that's not saying much either.


Wanna bet a six pack on who will be the better NFL QB between Young and Eugene?? :smiley_wi

[blackfordpu]

The heisman isn't won for one game. Young had a terrific game last night but he also had some blah ones toom, remember A&M? Bush didnt have a bad game last night almost 200 total yards of offense+one bonehead play. Young overshadowed him but he also had the ball in his hand every play. Leinart, Young and Bush were all outstanding last night and to say one is better then the other would be tough to support. They might be the three best college players to ever play on the same field. I saw Bush do some unbelievable things this year, the Freson State game was perhaps the best individual performance i ever saw, Youngs last night is right there too.

Young had over 450 yards total offense himself, I don't think that Leinart or Bush even came close last night.

[JohnStOnge]

John, can we stop all of the trashing of how bad of a team my alma mater, Fresno State, is? USC would have lost to Fresno State if not for Bush's spectacular game. Fresno was one of the top 10 or 15 teams in the country before the USC game. Something happened to them after that loss and they were not the same squad the rest of the season. All of us Bulldog fans were well aware of FSU's foibles against UN-Reno, La. Tech and Tulsa. When I look at the entire season, I would take Bush over Young and if I had the first pick in the NFL draft, Reggie would be my choice. He will be a great RB for the Houston Texans.

Fresno State was not a bad I-A team this year. It was an average I-A team. I'm not saying this to make you feel bad...just being honest about what I think. I don't think Fresno State was ever one of the top 10 or 15 teams in the nation in 2005. I think they were always somewhere around the 40 to 50 range.

As far as the entire season, over the entire season Vince Young's stats compared well with Bush's. Aside from that, it's difficult for me to see how one could've watched the two players over the past two years and not think that...if you had to pick one for a college football team...one would not pick Young. To me it's really obvious that he created more problems for defenses. Not that Bush didn't create a lot of problems, but when you've got a guy who's got a deep arm, is a +65 percent passer, and can run the ball as well as he can that's awfully tough for a defense to handle.

I think Bush may be drafted #1 because Houston has more of a need for a running back than it does for a QB.

[65 Pard]

I think the Texas A&M game cost Young the Heisman....he was not impressive at all in that game...