Rating the MVFC's recruiting classes

[MSUBear42]

http://www.msubearnation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16787

Thanks to member bp6 who did his annual compilation of Scout and Rivals recruiting reports on schools in the MVFC. He went through, school-by-school and searched each players individually.

The final rankings were:

1) Illinois State (46/20) 2.30
2) Mo State (38/21) 1.81
3) Youngstown (24/19) 1.26
4) Southern Illinois (26/24) 1.13
5) Indiana State (17 /19) 0.89
6) WIU (15/18) 0.83
7) UNI (15/19) 0.79
8) ndsu (17/24) 0.71
9) sdsu (4/21) 0.2

Based on average recruit's rating.



Well let's start things off:



MO STATE

Ashley WR R , S1
Beisel LB 0 0
Berry CB R3 S1 (Rivals CB #52)
Burgess OL R2 S1
Burton WR R3 S2 (Rivals TN#20, Scout WR#240)
Canavan LB R2 S1
Cooley OL R2 0
Crutcher LB 0 0
Galbierz OL 0 0
Goode DT 0 0
Jenkins QB 0 0
Mattes WR R3 0
Montgomery DE R2 0
Pearce DT 0 0
Rainey OL R2 S2 (Scout OT#109)
Schaffitzel DB 0 0
Umesi DB R3 S1
Witmer K R 0
White WR R3(2007) S4(2007) (Rivals WR#38 Scout WR#46)
Thayer TE R 0
Mueller DS R 0

Rivals 14 for 25 stars
Scout 8 for 13 stars

Total 22 for 38 stars

Avg per signee 1.9 stars

highest rated signee White 7 stars

[MSUBear42]

UNI

Bingaman DL 0 0
Kromah DE R S1
Mack DE 0 0
Rummells DE 0 0
Williams DT R 0
Dawson RB R3 S3 (Rivals RB#54, Scout RB#43)
Wellington ATH R 0 juco all American in FB and track (100 m)
Lanpher QB R2 S1
Roth QB 0 0
Johnson WR R2 S1
Lemaster WR R 0
Owens WR 0 0
Peters TE 0 0
Hicks OL 0 0
Palangi OL 0 0
Ryder OL 0 0
Kusnierz K R 0 juco all-american
Rennie QB R2 0 2 time juco all-american
Vereen QB R 0

Total Rivals 10 for 9 stars
Scout 4 for 6 stars
Total 14 for 15 stars

Avg 0.71 stars per signee

highest rated signee - Dawson 6 stars

[MSUBear42]

SIU

Belfonte WR R2 0
Boemer OL 0 0
Cornelly WR 0 0
Edwards RB 0 0
Fisher TE R 0
Gibson QB R3 0 (Rivals Ath#84)
Griffin DB 0 0
Hunter LB R S2 (Scout LB#163)
Lee LB R S1
Mckinney RB R3 S3 (Rivals RB#29) (Scout RB#106)
Mcmullin OL R2 S1
Melville OL 0 0
Miller DE R S1
Pruitt TE R2 0
Pucylowski P R 0
Richmond CB R 0
Rodgers DB 0 0
Siniard OL R2 S1
Souers DE R 0
Tracey WR R 0
Weiss TE R2 0
Wilson WR 0 S1

Harris RB R3(2007) S3(2007) (Scout RB#43) Pitt transfer
Shine DB R 0

Rivals 15 for 16 stars
Scout 7 for 10 stars
Total 22 for 26 stars

Avg per signee 1.13 stars per signee

Highest rated signees McKinney and Harris 6 stars

[MSUBear42]

Il State

Younger QB 0 S1
Pierre-louis LB 0 0
Cowley DE R S2 (Scout TE#84)
Underwood DE R2 S
Moore DB R 0
Nelson DB 0 0
Rinehart DL R2 S1
Prate DL 0 0
Kiser RB R S1
Beck TE R 0
Shorter DB R2 S1
Goldsmith DB R 0
O’shaughnessy WR R 0
Ammons OL R2 S2
Hunt RB 0 S1
Golding DE R3(07) S3(07) (Rivals DE#36) (Scout DE#89) purdue
Sanders WR R2(08) S2(08) (Scout WR#248) emu
Smith RB R2(08) S3(08) (Scout RB#73) wisc
Leggett RB R3(07) S2(07) (Scout FB#30) mich st
Hubbard LB R3(08) S3(08) (Rivals LB #28) (Scout LB #19) mich st

Rivals 15 for 23
Scout 13 for 22
Total 28 for 45 stars

Avg 2.25 stars

highest rated signee Golding DE and Hubbard LB 6 stars

[MSUBear42]

NDSU

Beck LB 0 0
Gefroh LB 0 0
Smith RB R 0
Thorton QB 0 0
Crockett RB R S1
Vraa WR R S1
Littlejohn WR R 0
Olson LB R2 S1
Heagle S R 0
Pfeiffer S 0 0
Dudzik S R2 S1
Schueller OL 0 0
Turner OL R2 S1
Emanuel LB R 0
Hudson WR R 0
Hinz OL R2 S1
Murphy LB 0 0
Gebhart WR R2 0
Anderson OL R 0
Forbes OL R 0
Hardie DE 0 0
Willson LB R S1
Pomerenke OL 0 0
Carter LB 0 0

Rivals 15 for 10 stars
Scout 7 for 7 stars
Total 22 for 17 stars

Avg 0.71 stars

Highest rated signee 4 with 3 stars

[MSUBear42]

YSU

Adams TE 0 0
Angle QB 0 0
Boatwright DB R 0
Cheaib LB 0 S2 (Scout 0LB#157)
D’alesio DB R2 0
Elkins OL R S1
Franklin OL R3 S2 (Rivals OL#79) (Scout OT#118)
Jones RB R S1
Larson OL R 0
Locksley QB R2 S2
May OL 0 0
Mayes DB 0 0
Page DE R 0
Shope OL R2 S1
Sinko OL 0 S1
Sprague LB R S1
Stevens C 0 0
Thompson RB R S1
Watts WR R2 S1

Rivals 12 for 11 stars
Scout 10 for 13 stars
Total 22 for 24 stars

Avg 1.26 stars

Highest rated signee Franklin OL 5 stars

[MSUBear42]

WIU

Caldwell OL R 0
Carroll OL 0 0
Crisp OL R 0
Current DL R S1
Davis DB R S1
Durley DL R2 S1
Enderlein DB 0 S1
Flowers RB 0 0
Hughes DB R S1
Johnson LB 0 0
Kachanuk OL 0 0
Keaton Ol 0 0
Martinez DL 0 0
Mcdaniel DB 0 0
Ray RB R3 S3 (Rivals RB#43) (Scout RB#88) 2008 mich st
Simpson LB R S1
Sintich Ol 0 0
Turner DL R S1

Rivals 9 for 5 stars
Scout 8 for 10 stars
Total 17 for 15 stars

Avg 0.83 stars

Highest rated Ray RB 6 stars

[MSUBear42]

SDSu

Bowers DE 0 0
Dominguez OL 0 0
Greger OL 0 0
Korus Db 0 0
Krings DE 0 0
Lablance DE 0 0
Lee TE 0 0
Mueller OL R S1
Purcell OL 0 0
Sawyer P 0 0
Schneider WR 0 S1
Sherlock LB R 0
Smith OL 0 0
Starr DL R S1
Sumner QB 0 0
Syrovatka k R S1
Thomas QB R 0
Tunge rb 0 0
Tuschen dl 0 0
Wright wr 0 0
Zenner rb 0 0

Rivals 5 for 0 stars
Scout 4 for 4 stars
Total 9 for 4 stars

Avg 0.2 stars

Highest rated signee - 4 with 1 star

[MSUBear42]

Ind st

Bell RB R S2
Burnett wr R2(09) S1(09) hofstra
Egberongbe wr 0 0
Estep ol 0 0
Fouch qb R3 (07) S3 (07) (Rivals QB#21) (Scout QB#44) wash.
Glass qb 0 0 hofstra
Goodlett wr 0 0
Hart qb R S1
High db R S1
Hilton wr 0 0
King db 0 0
Masengale ol R S1
Masters ol R 0
McElroy oldl R S1
Norris ol R S1
O’leary qb R 0
Patrick ol 0 0
Schwartz db R S1
Valentine k R 0

Rivals 12 for 5 stars
Scout 9 for 12 stars
Total 21 for 17 stars

Avg 0.89 stars

Highest rated signee Fouch (07) QB 6 stars

[MSUBear42]

So... that leaves us with the following rankings:


Quantity (total number of stars)

Ill St (20) 46
Mo State (21) 38
siu (24) 26
ysu (19) 24
ind st (19) 17
ndsu (24) 17
wiu (18) 15
uni (19) 15
sdsu (21) 4

[MSUBear42]

Quality (avg stars per signee)

ill st (46/20) 2.30
Mo State (38/21) 1.81
ysu (24/19) 1.26
siu (26/24) 1.13
ind st (17 /19) 0.89
wiu (15/18) 0.83
uni (15/19) 0.79
ndsu (17/24) 0.71
sdsu (4/21) 0.2

[MSUBear42]

highest rated signees

White WR Mo State 7 (R3,S4) 2007 R-WR#37 S-WR#46 Ga Tech
Ray RB wiu 6 (R3,S3) 2008 R-RB#43 S-RB#88 Mich st
Golding DE ill st 6 (R3,S3) 2007 R-DE#36 S-DE#89 purdue
Hubbard LB ill st 6 (R3,S3) 2008 R-LB#28 S-LB#19 mich st
Dawson RB uni 6 (R3,S3) R-RB#54 S-RB#43
Mckinney RB siu 6 (R3,S3) R-RB#29 S-RB#106
Harris RB siu 6 (R3,S3) S-RB#43 2007 pitt
Fouch QB ind st 6 (R3,S3) R-QB#21 S-QB#44 2007 wash
Burton WR Mo State 5 (R3,S2) R-TN#20 S-WR#240
Franklin OL ysu 5 (R3,S2) R-OL#79 S-OT#118
Smith RB ill st 5 (R2,S3) S-RB#73 2008 wisc
Leggett RB ill st 5 (R3,S2) S-FB#30 2007 mich st

[jackmd]

Goes to show you how poorly various sites do with FCS level recruits. Can we get some data regarding ratings the last 5 years? Our guys will be happy to line up against anyone's "highly rated" recruits.

[mmiller_34]

I hear a thundering herd of Bison fans on their way to discredit this thread.

[MSUBear42]

Goes to show you how poorly various sites do with FCS level recruits. Can we get some data regarding ratings the last 5 years? Our guys will be happy to line up against anyone's "highly rated" recruits.

On this level or not, "talent" usually gets noticed on these sites these days.

[clenz]

On this level or not, "talent" usually gets noticed on these sites these days.
Wrong. I worked for Rivals for 3 years. It's all about who is getting looks from who and getting offers from who. Outside of the top 150 neither site gives a damn about the recruits. I've said it many times before and I'll use this story again. I was following a kid and doing an article on him. He had 0 stars, but I was doing as FCS article on him following his JR year. During the off season he must have sent tape out or something...anyway in one week he picked up offers from Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Ok. State, and one other school. He went from 0 starts to 5 stars and top 20 recruit in a week according to both sites without playing a game, stepping on a field, doing a work out, attending a camp, or anything.


Needless to say my article was scratched and one of the "big wigs" took him over.


Rivals and Scout don't mean a damn thing. How else can MSU have the top class or two EVERY YEAR and yet they continue to suck year after year.

[MSUBear42]

Rivals and Scout don't mean a damn thing. How else can MSU have the top class or two EVERY YEAR and yet they continue to suck year after year.

You should know how TA works. He literally redshirts every freshman (sans maybe 1 or 2). It takes a while to notice a difference, but if you've been paying attention MSU has won one more game each year the last 3 years now.

[clenz]

You should know how TA works. He literally redshirts every freshman (sans maybe 1 or 2). It takes a while to notice a difference, but if you've been paying attention MSU has won one more game each year the last 3 years now.
Not hard to do....

[Kemo]

http://www.msubearnation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16787

Thanks to member bp6 who did his annual compilation of Scout and Rivals recruiting reports on schools in the MVFC. He went through, school-by-school and searched each players individually.

The final rankings were:

1) Illinois State (46/20) 2.30
2) Mo State (38/21) 1.81
3) Youngstown (24/19) 1.26
4) Southern Illinois (26/24) 1.13
5) Indiana State (17 /19) 0.89
6) WIU (15/18) 0.83
7) UNI (15/19) 0.79
8) ndsu (17/24) 0.71
9) sdsu (4/21) 0.2

Based on average recruit's rating.


These rankings aren't surprising in the least based on the recruiting areas of the ranked schools. Rivals and Scout put far more effort evaluating talent in the states of Ohio, Illinois, and Missouri rather than that of Iowa, South Dakota, North Dakota, and Minnesota (SDSU, NDSU, UNI recruit this state heavily). There is obvious talent in these states, as one could tell from the success of the universities in these areas, yet the recruiting sites just aren't going to bother ranking kids in the areas unless they are getting serious looks from BCS schools.

Case & Point: SDSU has a kid coming in at QB (Austin Sumner) this year who played at the highest level of South Dakota high school football that is 6'5", 215 lbs, can throw the ball 65-70 yard in the air, and, oh yah, he is 78th all time nationally in passing yardage (Peyton Manning is 79th), yet this kid doesn't even have a profile for Rivals or Scout. Sumner only garnered walk on offers from the likes of Wisconsin and Iowa State (largely due to his inability to attend summer camps due to off season shoulder surgery), so why would rivals bother to evaluate the kid, even though he has physical tools similar to the top ranked QBs in the nation.

[FargoBison]

Il State

Younger QB 0 S1
Pierre-louis LB 0 0
Cowley DE R S2 (Scout TE#84)
Underwood DE R2 S
Moore DB R 0
Nelson DB 0 0
Rinehart DL R2 S1
Prate DL 0 0
Kiser RB R S1
Beck TE R 0
Shorter DB R2 S1
Goldsmith DB R 0
O’shaughnessy WR R 0
Ammons OL R2 S2
Hunt RB 0 S1
Golding DE R3(07) S3(07) (Rivals DE#36) (Scout DE#89) purdue
Sanders WR R2(08) S2(08) (Scout WR#248) emu
Smith RB R2(08) S3(08) (Scout RB#73) wisc
Leggett RB R3(07) S2(07) (Scout FB#30) mich st
Hubbard LB R3(08) S3(08) (Rivals LB #28) (Scout LB #19) mich st

Rivals 15 for 23
Scout 13 for 22
Total 28 for 45 stars

Avg 2.25 stars

highest rated signee Golding DE and Hubbard LB 6 stars


I don't think I would be counting transfers on the same level here. These guys are transferring for a reason and have not been reevaluated since high school.

Besides that I do agree with Clenz and Kemo. Some states are ignored completely and some players just get stars out of nowhere. Rivals is so bad for ND that one of our commits is listed as a 2011 recruit, and for some reason they list him when he was probably the fourth or fifth best player in the state.

[leatherneck177]

Herb Donaldson had no stars and wasn't even listed on most websites coming out.

We looked at one kid, Michael Heitz and offered him. At the time he was a two star on rivals, then Illinois offered him and he became a three star.

Enough said.

[Evolution Prime]

I really don't put much stock into those type of websites, especially for FCS. Its all about who has offer from what school and what school is looking at whom. Those types of sites are for pretty much for BCS schools. You almost need a separate ranking system for FCS schools. Scouts and rivals don't even bother ranking people from some states such as North and South Dakota. You really can't judge and FCS recruiting program until a few years have past.

[Redbird Ray]

....OR...Illinois State and Missouri State are uping their recruiting games and smoking the rest of the conference because our coaches have more access to BCS quality talent, and are doing a better job selling "the future" of our programs.

xcoolx

[MSUBear42]

....OR...Illinois State and Missouri State are uping their recruiting games and smoking the rest of the conference because our coaches have more access to BCS quality talent, and are doing a better job selling "the future" of our programs.

xcoolx

NEVER!

[Kemo]

....OR...Illinois State and Missouri State are uping their recruiting games and smoking the rest of the conference because our coaches have more access to BCS quality talent, and are doing a better job selling "the future" of our programs.

xcoolx

...OR...Illinois State and Missouri State are trying to claim victory in an area of football that is subjective, because they have trouble achieving victory in an area of football that is objective... such as the outcome of actual games. xsmiley_wix

[MSUBear42]

...OR...Illinois State and Missouri State are trying to claim victory in an area of football that is subjective, because they have trouble achieving victory in an area of football that is objective... such as the outcome of actual games. xsmiley_wix

http://cardobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/zing.jpg

[PantherRob82]

...OR...Illinois State and Missouri State are trying to claim victory in an area of football that is subjective, because they have trouble achieving victory in an area of football that is objective... such as the outcome of actual games. xsmiley_wix

Quoted for truth.

[technocat]

Montana is the same way. We might get one kid a year that even rates a rivals page. And thats if they get an offer from someone.

[Redbird Ray]

...OR...Illinois State and Missouri State are trying to claim victory in an area of football that is subjective, because they have trouble achieving victory in an area of football that is objective... such as the outcome of actual games. xsmiley_wix

We're coming after you this year bunnies. Full of confidence fresh off of our victory over Northwestern! xcoolx

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Thanks MSUBear42!xthumbsupx

[isutom]

Shakir Bell, one of Indiana State's high school recruits, was named to the Parade All-America team this year. He was also an ESPN EA Sports All-American, earning a spot on the third team.

Bell was the Indianapolis Star's Super Team Player of the Year for 2009, after rushing for 3,105 yards on 404 carries (7.69 yards per carry), including 38 rushing touchdowns, for the Class 5A state-champion Warren Central Warriors.

Bigger schools offered him a chance to walk-on because they were nervous about his size (5-7, 175) and his 40 time (4.6).

[isutom]

http://www.gosycamores.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=65228&SPID=7269&DB_OEM_ID=15200&ATCLID=204879619

see videos of indiana state's football recruits.

[Kemo]

We're coming after you this year bunnies. Full of confidence fresh off of our victory over Northwestern! xcoolx

If you beat Northwestern you'd be the second best program in Illinois behind SIU :D

In all seriousness, ISU Red looked pretty good by the end of the season, so I was happy we played them earlier. I still don't think you would have beat us, but the game would have been a lot closer. Looking forward to this year's game in Brookings xnodx