W&M @ Villanova game thread

[CrackerRiley]

I suppose I'll start this just because I wanted to say: I really hate the camera angle they have to use at this game....

Commentators aren't bad, IMO.

[gbhmt]

Yeah the announcers seem pretty decent.

[Reign of Terrier]

Only knock I have is that they almost said CIAA instead of CAA

IMO the way these offenses are playing (or how well the defenses are playing) both teams will lose xsmiley_wix

[Dblue]

Two teams with great D, 16-14.

W&M kicker is capable of 50+

[Reign of Terrier]

these coaches are longer tenured then Ayers and Moore (didn't know that)

[gbhmt]

W$M's defense looks great. Should have caught that 3rd down pass but the tackle would have kept him short of the 1st down anyhow.

[WileECoyote06]

That stadium appears to be empty. *smh*

[BlackNGold]

nothing impressive so far....

[yosef1969]

Nice 40 yard pass for Nova

[yosef1969]

it's a shame to see a national semifinal so poorly attended.

[gbhmt]

Great hit by Caldwell!

[Skjellyfetti]

Except the top two defenses in the country of course.

GO CAA!

William and Mary's is probably the best in the country right now. How would you compare Nova's and Richmond's?

[gbhmt]

That's two timeouts called on this drive. Not running so smoothly for Nova.

[BlackNGold]

That's two timeouts called on this drive. Not running so smoothly for Nova.

CAA Football = Much like Pop Warner xlolx

[gbhmt]

Stars of the game so far: Nova's punt coverage team!

[yosef1969]

GO CAA!

A CAA team will win this one...so what's your point?:p

[gbhmt]

Great run by Riggins.

[Dblue]

I didn't think I was in the Smack Forum, but if I am the douche from App IS a real douche.

[gbhmt]

And that's why you don't try to pick it up and run with it.

[BlackNGold]

And that's why you don't try to pick it up and run with it.

Yea Nova Guy shoulda had it...

[yosef1969]

Yeah the announcers seem pretty decent.

Yep, Brock Huard is pretty solid on color and the play by play guy isn't awful either. At least they talk about the game and the division and aren't constantly talking about FBS, the bowls or the heisman.

[rcny46]

Doesn't look so badly attended. Is this the point where Appy and Grizzy start bragging about attendance?

No doubt.

[KiddBrewer]

WM offense looking a little potent so farxcoffeex

[KiddBrewer]

Doesn't look so badly attended. Is this the point where Appy and Grizzy start bragging about attendance?

hope not

[gbhmt]

What it seems like to me is that both teams' offenses are about the same level, but W&M's defense is better than Nova's.

[bullseye44]

Expected this, no score in the first quarter.

Huge for us to keep them slowed down early.

[KiddBrewer]

Huge for us to keep them slowed down early.

agreed. i think that has huge potential to be the difference in this onexcoffeex

[paward]

And the basketball coach is boring.

[BlackNGold]

And the basketball coach is boring.

Thats not all thats boring xcoffeex

[gbhmt]

And the basketball coach is boring.

No more boring than the rest of the game.

[paul1978]

Is this a football game or a talk show? Please ESPN.

[yosef1969]

Doesn't look so badly attended. Is this the point where Appy and Grizzy start bragging about attendance?

Not from me, said the same thing about attendance at ASU's home game against SCSU, it's a shame.

Looks to be about 6-7K, does that sound about right? Lots of metal showing from about 25 yard lines in.

Whitney (sp?) needs to change his spikes at half time. Both defenses look stout though.

[gbhmt]

Once again, stars of the game: Nova's punt coverage team!

[yosef1969]

Incredible punt and punt coverage by Nova. Wow.

[BlackNGold]

Is this a football game or a talk show? Please ESPN.

Gotta bring some type of entertainment to a "DEFENSIVE BATTLE" ... xwhistlex

[BlackNGold]

Incredible punt and punt coverage by Nova. Wow.

Agreeeedd good coverage

[KiddBrewer]

courtesy of Definition.com


Field Position Game "fe-ill-d poo-zish-un gay-m" - Villinova vs. William and Mary, December 11th, 2009

[AppIAA]

WOW.. no pass interference on that?

[yosef1969]

Thats not all thats boring xcoffeex

It is a little tough to watch when you don't have a dog in the fight, but if it were ASU's D locking down a good offense like 'Nova, I'd be loving it. Would hope to see a little more offensive production out of the Apps but W&M's hands have been tied by the punter.

[BlackNGold]

Where was the Defense on that pass?

[AppIAA]

WHAT A PASS!!!!!

[paul1978]

Wow, nice call.

[KiddBrewer]

wow. game changer

[yosef1969]

98 TD PASS for Bill and Mary!!!

[Skjellyfetti]

WOOOOOOOT!!!!! GOOOOOO WILLIAM AND MARY!!!

[Shellin]

Wow, that's one way to deal with bad field position.

[MaximumBobcat]

Just turned on the game...

Villanova can't even sell out a Semifinal game?

Uh, wow.

[gbhmt]

FINALLY

[charliej]

WTF....xsmhx

[yosef1969]

Now that's better...

[rcny46]

Great play William and Mary.Keep it up.

[Native]

Wow!

[SpeedkingATL]

First blood goes to the Tribe.xthumbsupx

[Aho_Old_Guy]

I would think that might break several playoff records right there. Longest play from scrimmage? Longest pass completion?

[mtmike]

almost bsc like.

[bpcats]

That is the problem with the 3-3-5. It can be a very effective defense and create a lot of havoc, however it does allow the big play over the top when you mix in man to man coverage.

Great pass and not much could stop it.

[Skjellyfetti]

Sounds like a home game for W&M

[AppIAA]

What? W&M gets the ball outside of the 5??

Horrible punt ;)

[Native]

That is the problem with the 3-3-5. It can be a very effective defense and create a lot of havoc, however it does allow the big play over the top when you mix in man to man coverage.

Great pass and not much could stop it.

Very nice route, too. Faked out the freshman DB who - unfortunately for Nova - was in man coverage and got burned.

[AppIAA]

Sounds like a home game for W&M

Yes it does.. I knew 'Nova didn't have a great following, but figured it would be more than the visiting team at least..

[BlackNGold]

Wow William And Marry side looks packed in...
Nova side looks like.... Sad....

[txst80]

That is the problem with the 3-3-5. It can be a very effective defense and create a lot of havoc, however it does allow the big play over the top when you mix in man to man coverage.

Great pass and not much could stop it.

Yep. 9 guys in the box, man to man coverage on the two recievers. Nova didn't expect W&M to throw it from the 2 on 3rd and 8.

[yosef1969]

nice run...

[Native]

After a Villanova 3 and out, really nice follow up offensive series so far from W&M, too. Conservative, yet creative play calling backed up by good execution.

What is the biggest deficit the Wildcats have overcome this year?

[KiddBrewer]

i think you can mark this one on the board. W&M

[BlackNGold]

nice run...

lil dudes gots legs

[mtmike]

Mercifully the game is good enough espn doesn't have to show the stands verymuch!

[paul1978]

Ouch. PF

[rcny46]

Good!

[AppIAA]

I'm going to be honest, and don't know much about W&M.. are they known as an offensive team? I know they're a good defensive team, but haven't heard much about the offense, but they look like they are doing just fine on the offensive side..

[Native]

15-yard penalty for personal foul. Wildcats are soiling their pants.

[yosef1969]

Personal Foul 'Nova...losing a little composure right now??? Made a nice stop and screwed it up.

[bullseye44]

First snap for us in Nova territory with under 5:00 left in the 2nd quarter...kind of amazing.

[bullseye44]

Ouch. PF

They're making the mistakes we made last time out. Hopefully it continues.

[paul1978]

Comming back.

[AppIAA]

TD brought back by holding.. very obvious

[gbhmt]

I'm going to be honest, and don't know much about W&M.. are they known as an offensive team? I know they're a good defensive team, but haven't heard much about the offense, but they look like they are doing just fine on the offensive side..

I think it's just a matter of both teams having decent offenses but W&M's D being better.

[KiddBrewer]

well that changes some things

[paul1978]

And the worm turns

[yosef1969]

INT 'NOVA!!!

[gbhmt]

Huge pick! Great play by Villanova!

[AppIAA]

pick by 'nova

[mtmike]

That hurt.

[AppIAA]

I think it's just a matter of both teams having decent offenses but W&M's D being better.

Until now... good defensive play by 'nova

but thanks for clarifying ;)

[paul1978]

Does anyone think the two used timeouts by Nova is going to comeback and haunt them?

[AppIAA]

Appy and Grizzy still talking attendance, hilarious! Keep judging CAA teams by fans in the stands! LOL

Nice drive by WM.

Not judging.. just stating what we see... bored sitting at home not having a "home" team to root for?

[BlackNGold]

Appy and Grizzy still talking attendance, hilarious! Keep judging CAA teams by fans in the stands! LOL

Nice drive by WM.

Spidey seems upset

[yosef1969]

'Nova needed that in a bad way, had to have something good happen to slow the momentum turning in WM's favor. Still 3 and out...

[Skjellyfetti]

Keep judging CAA teams by fans in the stands! LOL

Seemed to be a good indicator of UR.

[bullseye44]

I think it's just a matter of both teams having decent offenses but W&M's D being better.

In past seasons, we've typically won shootout style. In the 2004 playoffs, we didn't give up less than 35 in any of our 3 games. Laycock is well known as a bright offensive mind. However, this year, the D is so good, we're much more conservative and pick our spots.

[txst80]

Nova can't do anything offensively, W&M controlling this game fairly well. Nova's punter keeping them in it.

[19Duke97]

Can they please officially stop stating that was the longest play in W&M history - we got it.

[GreatAppSt]

hitch hitch hitch, bomb

[AppIAA]

hitch hitch hitch, bomb

I agree with the commentators.. keep doing it until it doesn't work.. it keeps working

[Native]

The Tribe are racking up the first downs, with 13 now, compared to Nova's 2.

[BlackNGold]

We beat WM already this year

I dont think he got it

[yosef1969]

Messy game management by both teams at different points in the first half

[yosef1969]

45 yd FG try for WM....

[19Duke97]

Poor clock mgt there.

[gbhmt]

Messy game management by both teams at different points in the first half

Yeah this has surprised me. Expected better.

[19Duke97]

wow that's big

[paul1978]

Nice first half. Let's see who makes the best halftime adjustments.

[yosef1969]

It's Good! two score lead for WM oughta bout do it.

[AppIAA]

Is the kicker for W&M a backup WR?? #80???

[txst80]

Nice kick. Good half for W&M.

[gbhmt]

Is the kicker for W&M a backup WR?? #80???

Not too uncommon. Our kicker's #83.

[bpcats]

I think that Nova may be in trouble if they don't get their offense untracked. WM has one of the better dlines that I have seen so far.

[19Duke97]

Great, we get Robert Smith's BCS plug. Get off the payroll pal.

[Skjellyfetti]

Did that moron just say smaller conferences benefit from the BCS?

[GreatAppSt]

Que the FBS no playoff apologist.xrolleyesx STFU

[AppIAA]

Not too uncommon. Our kicker's #83.

Fair enough.. had never seen a kicker in the 80's...

[rcny46]

Excellent half,W&M.I was really impressed with your receivers' ability to hold on to the ball on a relatively cold night,and Archer is doing a good job releasing the ball quickly.

[paul1978]

I'm thankfull for the Bull System. xsmiley_wix

[AppIAA]

I'm thankfull for the Bull System. xsmiley_wix

I dont get it.. like Bull *****??? what do you mean, its a GREAT system.. apparently the smaller conferences benefit from it... Just ask TCU, Boise St, etc..

xeyebrowx

[bullseye44]

Poor clock mgt there.

Jimmye typically slow plays the end of the half. He's willing to settle for a fg try to make sure he runs out the clock and doesn't give the other team the ball back.

[yosef1969]

Just lost a lot of respect for Robert Smith. His tone was so freaking condescending. Might as well have said that playoffs are fine for the JV's but not for real football programs...FBS buttmuncher.

[Dblue]

I'm thankfull for the Bull System. xsmiley_wix
I didn't know that you were gay, not that there's anything wrong with itxcoffeex

[bullseye44]

3rd quarter has been our best this year. Nova is the only team to score on us in the 3rd quarter all year. Would love to see a nice drive for points to start the half and keep their offense off the field.

[19Duke97]

Jimmye typically slow plays the end of the half. He's willing to settle for a fg try to make sure he runs out the clock and doesn't give the other team the ball back.

Well it worked, but I thought he might get an extra play in there with that extra TO to make the kick a bit shorter, but your kicker hit his longest of the season - in 20 degree weather to boot.

[UMass922]

Excellent first half by W&M. Even if you take out the 98-yard play, they've still outgained Villanova substantially. Other than the long run by Whitney early, Villanova has done virtually nothing on offense.

[paul1978]

The FCS champion is determined on the field, not by polls and rating systems. The FCS champion is a TRUE champion.

[BlackNGold]

The FCS champion is determined on the field, not by polls and rating systems. The FCS champion is a TRUE champion.

HERE HERE!

[Philliesfan980]

Whitney is playing like complete dog crap. He needs to wake up and get this team going.

Also, would it kill Nova to stop W&M on some 3rd downs? I realize they've only given up 10 points, but they need to get them off the field.

[CrackerRiley]

No one's ever noticed how much of an idiot Robert Smith is before? I've heard his "BCS is good for the FBS" talk before.... the guy's a moron.

[appst97]

What time does 'Numbers' come on?

[Skjellyfetti]

The FCS champion is determined on the field, not by polls and rating systems. The FCS champion is a TRUE champion.

xbeerchugx

Preaching to the choir here, though. If more people understood how exciting college football playoffs were... the BCS would be DONE.

[appst97]

CAA=Obama=Hype

[bullseye44]

Whitney had a 31 yard run and a 40 yard pass in the first half. Other than that, 19 plays for -1 yards for Nova. I wish I could say I thought we could hold them to that in the second half. No doubt that Talley will have the offense ready in the second half, hopefully we can keep them off the field.

[UMass922]

At least Smith is only in the studio. In years past, ESPN has had guys in the booth of FCS playoff games arguing on behalf of the bowl system. *cough, Rod Gilmore, cough*

[19Duke97]

CAA=Obama=Hype

Congrats on hitting a new low. xsmhx

[Philliesfan980]

Like others have said, this opening drive is huge in setting the tone for the rest of the game. If W&M can drive down the field and put up 7, the game is over.

[LacesOut]

Not talking smack, but did I hear correctly that the W&M kicker was second team CAA, even though he missed 12 FG's this season?? I think the stat showed him 21-33 for the season.

Just askin'!

[colorless raider]

Great, we get Robert Smith's BCS plug. Get off the payroll pal.

He was supposed to be pre-med at OSU. Not going to be my Doc!

[appst97]

Congrats on hitting a new low. xsmhx

Careful mr. "my team is sitting at home" if this game doesn't get better, I can get lower

[theasushow]

Not talking smack, but did I hear correctly that the W&M kicker was second team CAA, even though he missed 12 FG's this season?? I think the stat showed him 21-33 for the season.

Just askin'!

holy **** 33 attempted FIELD GOALS?!?! no way...

[bullseye44]

Not talking smack, but did I hear correctly that the W&M kicker was second team CAA, even though he missed 12 FG's this season?? I think the stat showed him 21-33 for the season.

Just askin'!

Most of those misses were over 40. He was mostly automatic inside 40. His range is 50, but his accuracy goes to hell over 40 yards. I was a little surprised he was 2nd team, but I think he made it on sheer quantity of FGs made (including 4/7 against UVA).

[txst80]

Not talking smack, but did I hear correctly that the W&M kicker was second team CAA, even though he missed 12 FG's this season?? I think the stat showed him 21-33 for the season.

Just askin'!

That is so many attempts he is bound to miss a few. 33 FG attempts is pretty ridiculous.

[19Duke97]

Careful mr. "my team is sitting at home" if this game doesn't get better, I can get lower

Comparing anything I would be close to resembling having a relationship to Obama is low, but way to take it personally! xthumbsupx

[bullseye44]

That is so many attempts he is bound to miss a few. 33 FG attempts is pretty ridiculous.

Yes, as some mentioned on the pregame thread, our red zone offense was terrible to start the year, so he was kicking a lot. Thought we moved the ball really well inside the 20 in the first half...of course, it was our own 20, but hey possibly more important than the red zone the way this game is going xrulesx

[paul1978]

He was supposed to be pre-med at OSU. Not going to be my Doc!

I hear he wanted to be a Proctologist. He found a better use for his skills. xwhistlex

[GoneTribal]

I'm going to be honest, and don't know much about W&M.. are they known as an offensive team? I know they're a good defensive team, but haven't heard much about the offense, but they look like they are doing just fine on the offensive side..

Historically speaking, W&M has an explosive and high scoring offense. The D was historically.....not real good. It was always a matter of we would need to put at least 35 on the board and hope for the best.

This year completely breaks the mold for us (and we saw glimpses of it last year). The D this year has been the strongest part of the team. So it's pretty new for us Tribe fans to have full confidence in the D, and not freak out when the O only puts 20 on the board. xthumbsupx

[theasushow]

Yes, as some mentioned on the pregame thread, our red zone offense was terrible to start the year, so he was kicking a lot. Thought we moved the ball really well inside the 20 in the first half...of course, it was our own 20, but hey possibly more important than the red zone the way this game is going xrulesx

not sure many people read the pre-game thread, apparently there was "another" thread that garnered most of the attention...excuse my ignorance, i had no idea ANY kicker in fcs had attempted 33 field goals this season.

[AppIAA]

Historically speaking, W&M has an explosive and high scoring offense. The D was historically.....not real good. It was always a matter of we would need to put at least 35 on the board and hope for the best.

This year completely breaks the mold for us (and we saw glimpses of it last year). The D this year has been the strongest part of the team. So it's pretty new for us Tribe fans to have full confidence in the D, and not freak out when the O only puts 20 on the board. xthumbsupx

The O is looking pretty good right now against a solid D..

Although, its been the same routes the entire time -- but until it stops working, I say continue it

[bunny]

Not talking smack, but did I hear correctly that the W&M kicker was second team CAA, even though he missed 12 FG's this season?? I think the stat showed him 21-33 for the season.

Just askin'!

http://www.tribeathletics.com/files/fb/2009/stats/teamcume.htm

FIELD GOALS Made-Att Pct 01-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50-99 Long Blkd
Brian Pate 21-33 63.6 1-1 9-11 7-10 4-10 0-1 44 0

[AppIAA]

Hey, did you guys hear that TD pass was the longest in W&M history.. geez, we understand..

[appst97]

Comparing anything I would be close to resembling having a relationship to Obama is low, but way to take it personally! xthumbsupx

So you don't disagree with the hype part?

[theasushow]

wow...average starting field position is the 11 and still winning 10-0...

[mtmike]

good tackling there

[LacesOut]

Finally a stop for Nova on 3rd down.

[AppIAA]

Wow.. looked like the TE just gave up.. didn't even try to get that first down

[Philliesfan980]

They need to start warming up Young. He's the better QB for this type of game.

[bpcats]

WM does not have a very good punter or he is really struggling tonight

[AppIAA]

They need to start warming up Young. He's the better QB for this type of game.

Steve?

[Philliesfan980]

Can they stop with the bubble screens? They aren't working tonight.

[Philliesfan980]

Steve?

Antoine (sp). The backup QB.

[paward]

I forgot about Young.

[AppIAA]

Antoine (sp). The backup QB.

It was tongue in cheek.. figured it wasn't steve..

[Philliesfan980]

Nova's going to be kicking themselves after this game. Way, way, way to conservative offensive gameplan tonight against a team that thrives at stopping the run.

Nice job guys!

[LacesOut]

I need more offense!

[theasushow]

wildcat???? wtf?

[bullseye44]

WM does not have a very good punter or he is really struggling tonight

He led the CAA in net yards per punt this year. Doesn't appear to be dealing well with the cold. He generally is a punt it high and create the fair catch type of punter, but the punts that usually go ~40-45 yards are going ~30 yards tonight.

[19Duke97]

whiff

[AppIAA]

wow, how do you let that get through??

[appst97]

nice punt coverage!

[paul1978]

Nutmeg

[Philliesfan980]

Nice job Talley! Keep that gameplan going!!!

[gbhmt]

Nova needs to mix up their scheme. Their offense is looking very vanillla right now.

[KiddBrewer]

app/montana winner > this winner.....yea i said it

[AppIAA]

Does not look like Whitney is reading his keys very well when running the zone read

[paul1978]

Nice run. The QB is stepping up.

[AppIAA]

app/montana winner > this winner.....yea i said it

I dont know.. both defenses look pretty solid

[KiddBrewer]

TD nova

[Shellin]

Whole new ball game.

[Philliesfan980]

Yeah, I don't think Sczur has any chance to play at the next level.

[LacesOut]

Ahhhhhhhhhh, there you go Nova!!!!!!!!!!!

[19Duke97]

well well game on

[AppIAA]

How the hell does that guys last name phonetically spell Caesar???

[Skjellyfetti]

Geeze.

Good defenses but they give up some big plays. Both are overly aggressive imo.

[gbhmt]

Yeah, I don't think Sczur has any chance to play at the next level.

Can't you just enjoy the game without making posts like this?

[txst80]

How the Wildcat formation works that well is beyond me.

[LacesOut]

Nova scored too fast!! LOL

The tired D now has to come back out. Maybe this'll give the D some momentum.

[AppIAA]

Yeah, I don't think Sczur has any chance to play at the next level.

Because of one play that W&M sent a blitz to the wrong side? He has a better shot at making it in the MLB

[LacesOut]

So now W&M's Defense has giving up a whopping 10 points in 10 quarters of playoff football. That's just sick!

[Skjellyfetti]

So now W&M's Defense has giving up a whopping 10 points in 10 quarters of playoff football. That's just sick!

They're going to need to make it 10 points in 11 quarters if they want to win I believe.

[paul1978]

Nice catch.

[CrackerRiley]

app/montana winner > this winner.....yea i said it

While I do think defense wins championships, I have to agree with this because I don't see any defense in the country stopping the (healthy) ASU offense.

[Philliesfan980]

Field looks really slippery tonight. It hasn't rained in a few days, I wonder if that's a function of the cold.

Is it cheap astroturf?

[AppIAA]

xnonono2x You are an embarassment to Appy

Don't know how that was an insult, but ok...

He's a hell of a baseball player -- all I was saying

[Philliesfan980]

Wait, I didn't think they had review at the FCS level? Is this something new for this round of playoffs?

[Philliesfan980]

Don't know how that was an insult, but ok...

He's a hell of a baseball player -- all I was saying

He really isn't - quite honestly it's more of a myth than anything. He's decent, but would probably get drafted in round 12-15.

[CrackerRiley]

We did a pretty good job, if only we hadn't given up a TD with 10 seconds left xbawlingx

No smack, but at that point of the game, there was no doubt in my mind we were going to score. I just wondered how long it would take.

[19Duke97]

Wait, I didn't think they had review at the FCS level? Is this something new for this round of playoffs?

I think semifinals and finals have it.

[paul1978]

Wait, I didn't think they had review at the FCS level? Is this something new for this round of playoffs?

Reviews are only used in the semi and final games.

[bullseye44]

Hopefully that replay isn't a momentum killer

[Skjellyfetti]

We did a pretty good job, if only we hadn't given up a TD with 10 seconds left xbawlingx

I guess holding our offense to 444 yards is a pretty good job. I think that's what he meant by noone stopping us though.

And we shouldn't have had to score with 10 seconds left if we didn't have that fluke fumble on the punt return (or if he did the smart theing and fair caught it xmadx).

[Philliesfan980]

So let me get this straight, Nova gets burned on one play deep and they have to play 5 yards off all the receivers for the rest of the game?

[JMU-MRD-DAD]

While I do think defense wins championships, I have to agree with this because I don't see any defense in the country stopping the (healthy) ASU offense.

Well....only time will tell.........xcoffeex

[Philliesfan980]

I think W&M has to go for it here.

[AppIAA]

He really isn't - quite honestly it's more of a myth than anything. He's decent, but would probably get drafted in round 12-15.

Wasn't he drafted by the Dodgers after his freshman year?? Dude can flat out play baseball...

[19Duke97]

wow what a catch

[Skjellyfetti]

Wow. Huge 4th down conversion.

[paward]

Those two are on the same page tonight.

[Philliesfan980]

Ugh. #81 is the only guy who has done anything against us this game, and yet the Nova guys leave him open.

This is not one of Dempsey's better games of the year.

[wr70beh]

Watching on ESPN360 is like a 60 sec delay. Thanks for telling me what happens. :D

[Grizaholic17]

get that microphone off that band

[Philliesfan980]

Wasn't he drafted by the Dodgers after his freshman year?? Dude can flat out play baseball...

He was drafted out of HS. Had a great HS career, and he can play, don't get me wrong, but he's more of a singles hitter / SB guy. There are a lot of guys out there in the minors who are like him. He probably maxes out at AA.

[Philliesfan980]

Wow. Archer is 11/11 on 3rd down. Amazing....

Let's see what happens here. Wow a handoff, very conservative call.

[AppIAA]

He was drafted out of HS. Had a great HS career, and he can play, don't get me wrong, but he's more of a singles hitter / SB guy. There are a lot of guys out there in the minors who are like him. He probably maxes out at AA.

So, he's a perfect lead off hitter... Damn i thought Chone Figgens, Ichirio, etc were good MLB players with a very similar "style"

[19Duke97]

VU has really played decent defense, except for that one play, lots of bend but little break.

[19Duke97]

13-7

[Philliesfan980]

**** Pate. There's always some POS nobody who ends up costing Philadelphia area teams. First Matt Bryant, now Brian Pate.

[LacesOut]

Hmmmmmmm, questionable run play on 3rd down when you've been carving them up most of the night with the short passing game.

[bullseye44]

31:12 to 11:35 in TOP and 337 to 153 in yards, yet we're only up 13-7. Don't like it a one bit. Come on D!

[Philliesfan980]

So, he's a perfect lead off hitter... Damn i thought Chone Figgens, Ichirio, etc were good MLB players with a very similar "style"

Yeah, you're right all those guys play somewhat similarly, except they can play defense, while Villanova hides him in LF.

Don't get me wrong, he's a nice player, but he's going to need some breaks, or improve dramatically to become a MLB player.

[CrackerRiley]

I've been reading more of this board than watching this game.... what's going on? haha

[AppIAA]

Yeah, you're right all those guys play somewhat similarly, except they can play defense, while Villanova hides him in LF.

Don't get me wrong, he's a nice player, but he's going to need some breaks, or improve dramatically to become a MLB player.

Fair enough.. i haven't seen him play in person.. just looked at stats

Back to the game

[19Duke97]

13-7 W&M Whitney has had a poor game for VU

[LacesOut]

Nova may need to run the Wildcat a BIT MORE!!!!!!! Their regular Offense is brutal tonight (credit the W&M defense of course).

[Philliesfan980]

Shades of the Penn game for Whitney tonight. He sure picked a bad game to have a clunker.

[19Duke97]

OUCH

[CrackerRiley]

Wow

[Philliesfan980]

WOW! What a gutsy call!

[LacesOut]

1st down for Nova on the fake punt.

[gbhmt]

Great fake!

[GreatAppSt]

no holding?

[paul1978]

Looks like he is short.

[Philliesfan980]

At first glance it looked like he was short, but the replays are going to confirm the first down I believe.

[bullseye44]

I seriously knew the fake was coming before they lined up. I can't believe we didn't leave the D on the field.

[paul1978]

xeyebrowxWow, I guess I can't see as well on TV as I can at the game.

[AppIAA]

I seriously knew the fake was coming before they lined up. I can't believe we didn't leave the D on the field.

Where do you coach?

[Philliesfan980]

Wow, an Aaron Ball sighting! They might be more successful if they get Whitney out of there and just have Szcur run the wildcat the rest of the game.

[caribbeanhen]

Looks like he is short.
height / Weight:
5-11 / 195

[Philliesfan980]

Pate is all-conference. How many CAA games have you seen before?

2nd team. Let's face it, there aren't a ton of great kickers in the CAA this year.

[bullseye44]

Where do you coach?

From the stands for most games. Have seen us complacent on punts too often this year. Not the first time a fake has burned us.

[GreatAppSt]

Is it me or do I keep hearing BBall style chants from the Nova crowd.xlolx

[GreatAppSt]

Announcer has been a Nova Homer all night

[AppIAA]

That was an awful read.. why did he not go with his man in motion and run the option?

[bullseye44]

Announcer has been a Nova Homer all night

I'm glad its not just me. I thought maybe I was being a homer for thinking that.

[LacesOut]

Nova QB just hand the ball off the rest of the game!

[19Duke97]

That's a catch

[LacesOut]

Right toe touch tap drag?????

[bullseye44]

Wow, great catch whether it counts or not.

[paul1978]

I'm not calling this one.

[CrackerRiley]

Wait, is there not force outs in college football?

[AppIAA]

Can't tell if it ever touches... can't tell

[Philliesfan980]

I think he caught the ball, but it's not going to be enough to overturn it.

4th down. Shame, because Whitney could have thrown a better ball.

[19Duke97]

looked like his toe dragged and ankle turned just a bit

[GreatAppSt]

toe may have touched a few blade tips but the camera does not show it....inconclusive no catch.

[JMU-MRD-DAD]

Too close to call...glad I am not making that call.....looks good though

[LacesOut]

I didn't see any of those brown rabbit turds/pellets pop up when his toe touched. So the toe didn't touch?

WHOA! Big call for Nova.