Hofstra dropping football?!

[Dane96]

Actually, Title IX is an issue whether someone sues or not.

Additionally, those are not the prongs of how you meet the goals. Those are the prongs of compliance. Here is how you PROVE you meet the goals.

1. athletic financial assistance- $ to $ breakdown matrix with the ratio of student athletes.
2. Accommodation of athletic interests & abilities
3. Other program areas

Two and three are the ways schools get around Title IX. For example, adding a woman's only athletic dept (Tennesse was the first school to do this). Adding buildings...trips...etc.

[Old Cat Fan]

Some more comments from Comm. Yeager. Also from the UNH side there are statements from the AD and President that the football program is safe, Yeager talks about the schedule for next year..one divison xnodx

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20091204-SPORTS-912040402

CAA commissioner Tom Yeager said Thursday that the now 10-team league will abandon — at least temporarily — the two-division format that's been in place since 2004, when Towson became the 12th member. Each team will play all but one of the others, plus three non-conference games.

With reinforcements scheduled to join the league in 2011 (Old Dominion) and 2012 (Georgia State), the plan may be a temporary one.

"We'll redo the 2010 schedule again and save the concerns about 2011 and 2012 ...; as far as alignments and things, for a later date," said Yeager

[Monarch History]

ODU's coach, Bobby Wilder, said he saw one of Hofstra's Asst. Coaches yesterday afternoon. He said he had no indication that the school was about to drop football.

As a fan of a school who just renewed football, I feel sad for the coaches, players and fans of Hostra FB.:(

[SFspidur]

Actually, Title IX is an issue whether someone sues or not.

Additionally, those are not the prongs of how you meet the goals. Those are the prongs of compliance. Here is how you PROVE you meet the goals.

1. athletic financial assistance- $ to $ breakdown matrix with the ratio of student athletes.
2. Accommodation of athletic interests & abilities
3. Other program areas

Two and three are the ways schools get around Title IX. For example, adding a woman's only athletic dept (Tennesse was the first school to do this). Adding buildings...trips...etc.

True, it is a bit more complicated (http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/t9interp.html) than I initially laid out. You were describing the three broad sections of Title IX policy interpretation, while I was specifically addressing the three prongs of compliance for the "Effective Accommodation" section, specifically the "Levels of Competition" that have been the focus of Title IX complaints.

Under Section A of the Policy Interpretation, when it comes to scholarship money, the total pot of money available for each gender should be in proportion to the number of participation slots by gender.


The Department will examine compliance with this provision of the regulation primarily by means of a financial comparison to determine whether proportionately equal amounts of financial assistance (scholarship aid) are available to men's and women's athletic programs. The Department will measure compliance with this standard by dividing the amounts of aid available for the members of each sex by the numbers of male or femaLe participants in the athletic program and comparing the results.
Adjustments are allowed for such issues as differing tuition rates due to different ratios of in-state versus out-of-state scholarship recipients among the genders or scheduled ramp-ups of scholarships for new sports.

The issue of participation slot ratios is raised in Section C, which is where the three prongs I described previously are applied. Meeting any one of the three criteria is acceptable for compliance.


Compliance will be assessed in any one of the following ways:

(1) Whether intercollegiate level participation opportunities for male and female students are provided in numbers substantially proportionate to their respective enrollments; or

(2) Where the members of one sex have been and are underrepresented among intercollegiate athletes, whether the institution can show a history and continuing practice of program expansion which is demonstrably responsive to the developing interest and abilities of the members of that sex; or

(3) Where the members of one sex are underrepresented among intercollegiate athletes, and the institution cannot show a continuing practice of program expansion such as that cited above, whether it can be demonstrated that the interests and abilities of the members of that sex have been fully and effectively accommodated by the present program.I don't see where Hofstra met the first prong with football on board, so it's up to the second two, which are much more dicey.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Frank, you and I are agreement on one point- that reduced scholarship FB should have been an option. I don't agree at all with your view that Keeler made a good point, however.

HU & NU didn't drop FB ultimately because they couldn't keep up in the facility arms race; that's just justification for their lack of desire to find ways to make FB work. It's also a sad symptom of their poor planning prior to accepting offers to join the CAA. The lack of foresight at NU & HU is simply stunning in almost every regard.

I do agree that everything brought up by HU's and NU's president ultimately are excuses. If they wanted football, they could have made it work. While their facilities were not palaces of football (folks can agree/disagree about Shuart Stadium), they certainly were capable of hosting FCS football and were capable of doing so in the forseeable future. The only way facilities would be an issue was if the league were planning to go en masse to FBS - and the only schools at all ready to do that would be Delaware and JMU. For FCS, Hofstra and Northeastern had adequate facilities. Not great, but certainly adequate.

If for some reason facilities were an issue with the CAA leadership - why not even consider going to a league where there are no such restrictions? Had Hofstra or Northeastern inquired about going to the PL, they would have gotten serious traction - even if they had dreams about the A-10 in all other sports, say.

[Kymermosst]

Here's something that I found interesting: (taken from http://www.hofstra.edu/home/News/news_faq_120309.html)


Did you consider moving to FBS football, or to non-scholarship (Division III) football?

We looked at those options as part of our total athletics review. Hofstra University’s football team is a Division I Football Championship Subdivision program (FCS). Unlike Football Bowl Championship (FBS) programs, FCS programs cannot compete in national title bowl games. To move into FBS football, Hofstra would have to join a league that sponsored I-A football, average more than 15,000 in paid attendance at games and make an investment in additional scholarships and increased stadium capacity. Moving into Division III is not an option because the NCAA does not permit universities to compete at the Division I level in some sports and at Division III in others.

Maybe it's because they only have 2 D-I sports, but doesn't Hopkins do this? They're primarily D-III but have renowned D-I LAX.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

Here's something that I found interesting: (taken from http://www.hofstra.edu/home/News/news_faq_120309.html)



Maybe it's because they only have 2 D-I sports, but doesn't Hopkins do this? They're primarily D-III but have renowned D-I LAX.

There are a few exceptions (some in ice hockey also) but they've been arround for years. DIII football for Hofstra would not be an option

[mcveyrl]

Here's something that I found interesting: (taken from http://www.hofstra.edu/home/News/news_faq_120309.html)



Maybe it's because they only have 2 D-I sports, but doesn't Hopkins do this? They're primarily D-III but have renowned D-I LAX.


There are a few exceptions (some in ice hockey also) but they've been arround for years. DIII football for Hofstra would not be an option

I thought there was an exception to let D2 and D3 schools play one D1 sport if they chose to.

[jimbo65]

Listened to Wayne Chrebet being interviewed by Michael Kay last evening. While Wayne was guarded in his comments, he said that the Hofstra Prez. was not sports minded from the start and was looking to reduce expenses. Really sad when a program that has functioned well since 1937 dies. Wayne did say that then he played there, the home games were Friday night and well attended. I believe he said that this year the home attendance was quite low and that at one game there was @ 1,000 in attendance. Could have been a rain day.

Anyway, belated best wishes to the Hofstra fans. We went through D III with you pretty evenly, however, you took us down in 1AA. Would have been great to play you with full schollies.

Ave, Atque, Vale

[SFspidur]

More details on D-III schools playing D-I in select sports is available here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_III#Division_III_schools_with_Division_I_ programs).

Note that there is no provision for otherwise-D-I schools to play down to a lower division for any sport.

Ice hockey adds a bit of additional confusion due to its small numbers resulting in conferences being teams from a mix of divisions and no sponsorship at the D-II level.

[GannonFan]

Hey does this mean the CAA will actually have to play all the teams in their conference potentially now?

No - but it does mean we have lost the bottom rungs of the conference. Even in a 10 team conference, the 4 the CAA got in this year would've gotten in anyway. The top tier is pretty well stacked right now.