Your 2009 Payton Winner

[Saint3333]

I would ask fans whose teams has a player represented not to vote.

Armanti Edwards, Appalachian State, Senior
STATS: 189-of-261 (72%), 2,504 yards passing, 10 passing touchdowns, 3 interceptions, 101 carries, 575 yards rushing, 16 rushing touchdowns, 5.7 average, 3,079 yards of total offense, 9 games played.

Terrell Hudgins, Elon, Senior
STATS: 111 catches, 1,466 yards receiving, 15 receiving touchdowns, 13.2 average, 11 games played.

Deji Karim, Southern Illinois, Senior
STATS: 205 carries, 1,512 yards rushing, 16 rushing touchdowns, 7.4 average, 13 catches, 161 yards receiving, 12.4 average, 2,068 all-purpose yards, 1 kickoff return touchdown, 11 games played.

Michael Herrick, Northern Arizona, Junior
STATS: 270-of-407 (66%), 3,356 yards passing, 22 passing touchdowns, 8 interceptions, 31 carries, negative 75 yards rushing, 3,281 yards of total offense, 11 games played.

Jeremy Moses, Stephen F. Austin, Junior
STATS: 320-of-474 (68%), 3,488 yards passing, 36 passing touchdowns, 14 interceptions, 40 carries, 55 yards rushing, 1.4 average, 3,543 yards of total offense, 11 games played.

Matt Nichols, Eastern Washington, Senior
STATS: 255-of-382 (66%), 3,369 yards passing, 30 passing touchdowns, 5 interceptions, 59 carries, 85 yards rushing, 2 rushing touchdowns, 1.4 average, 3,454 yards of total offense, 11 games played.

Toddrick Pendland, McNeese State, Senior
STATS: 168 carries, 992 yards rushing, 17 rushing touchdowns, 5.9 average, 27 catches, 237 yards receiving, 2 receiving touchdowns, 8.8 average, 1,237 all- purpose yards, 10 games played.

Ryan Perrilloux, Jacksonville State, Senior
STATS: 138-of-236 (58%), 2,345 yards passing, 23 passing touchdowns, 2 interceptions, 98 carries, 443 yards rushing, 8 rushing touchdowns, 4.5 average, 2,793 yards of total offense, 10 games played.

Dominic Randolph, Holy Cross, Senior
STATS: 279-of-434 (64%), 3,429 yards passing, 31 passing touchdowns, 15 interceptions, 111 carries, 474 yards rushing, 6 rushing touchdowns, 4.3 average, 3,903 yards of total offense, 11 games played.

Chase Reynolds, Montana, Junior
STATS: 251 carries, 1,159 yards rushing, 15 rushing touchdowns, 4.6 average, 27 catches, 248 yards receiving, 2 receiving touchdowns, 9.2 average, 1,407 all-purpose yards, 11 games played.


Apologies to the other finalists, but only 10 are allowed.

[19Duke97]

Cue the Montana v ASU verbal war...

[DLS]

coming down to ae and nichols i think since their stats being so close and edwards playing in two less games, it's gotta be edwards.

[HiHiYikas]

I have no idea...I can't comment on anyone but Armanti, and I'm not sure he's been the best player in FCS this season. Maybe he is, but there are some good-looking stats in that list, too.

[Poker Alan]

Montana fan, but my vote would go to either Edwards or Karim, may I cast a vote?

[19Duke97]

Those number by Nichols are sick..

[kalm]

Here's Nichol's numbers the last 4 games while playing with the pressure of knowing another loss eliminates you from the playoffs:

MSU: 26/41 327 4 TD
PSU: 21/30 413 4 TD
@SUU: 28/38 380 4 tD
@NAU: 22/33 408 5 TD

Avg: 69% 382 4.2 TD

Going all the way back to the Weber game Matt has gone over 200 attemps without throwing a pick and has thrown an int in only two games all year. Also keep in mind that he compiled these stats with a 1000 yard rusher in the backfield.
Taking his season stats against power conference competition, his strong finish, and the value to his team in leading them to the playoffs Nichols deserves it.

[AppAlum2003]

The poll took up the entire screen so I didn't read you comment about fans of the respective teams not voting before I voted.

xdohx

[Skjellyfetti]

Also keep in mind that he compiled these stats with a 1000 yard rusher in the backfield.


Armanti also has a 1000 yard rusher in the backfield. And has rushed for almost 600 himself.

Armanti has also thrown a pick in only two games this season.

Also, Big Sky doesn't have a defense in the top 50 nationally.

Edwards, Karim, Nichols are the finalists with Armanti taking the trophy, imo.



Edit: oops, and I voted without noticing your request as well.

[DLS]

The poll took up the entire screen so I didn't read you comment about fans of the respective teams not voting before I voted.

xdohx

ditto xoopsx

[Saint3333]

Montana fan, but my vote would go to either Edwards or Karim, may I cast a vote?

That would be "allowed". Just didn't want the homer votes like my three ASU friends have submitted.

[mcveyrl]

That would be "allowed". Just didn't want the homer votes like my three ASU friends have submitted.

Don't worry, they're not the only ones...

[OldSouth]

Seriously............ Superman wins again in a landslide.

[crossfire07]

"Pendland is the nation's scoring leader with 118 points this season and he is also ranked in the top 10 in rushing with 992 yards. The Newton, TX native has also set single game and career records this season for the Cowboys."

Todd missed a couple of games and when he came back he was still the leading scorer. what other player has gone into App State this year and been a wrecking ball? 281 yards. besides, Derrik Fourroux's 385 yards who should be on the list as well since his passing efficiency stats are better than Jeremy Moses' but that's another story.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

AE should get it again, because he's done what he has done with just 9 games. He won't win it, though.

[DLS]

AE should get it again, because he's done what he has done with just 9 games. He won't win it, though.

lawnmower. nuff said.

[Poker Alan]

That would be "allowed". Just didn't want the homer votes like my three ASU friends have submitted.

I noticed the following comments, after my post. xrotatehxxrotatehx

I have now voted.

[Killsback]

Deji Karim has done all his good stuff and never fumbled in his career.....Karim deserves the award this year.

[AppAlum2003]

Deji Karim has done all his good stuff and never fumbled in his career.....Karim deserves the award this year.

Because he's never fumbled? That's why he should win the Payton?

Well, Armanti flosses twice a day.

[19Duke97]

has anyone seen a handful of these players that can provide an unbiased opinion. It's nice to hear folks back their guy, but I'm not sure how objective it is. Plus, it has to be hard to compare folks from two different conferences that have no common opponents. Sad, but I feel the Payton award boils down to a popularity contest otherwise.

[Saint3333]

Homer vote update:

AE - 10
Hudgins - 3
Karim - 3
Niclos - 2
Pendland - 1
Perr. - 1

Read guys.

[PhoenixPhan06]

I'd like to see Hudgins in the top 3, justified IMO by all the records he broke this season. Possibly a winner if we can make a deep run in the playoffs and the other candidates have a poor showing.

[Ivytalk]

That fashion god, Giorgio Armanti, wins in a walk.:p

[SideLine Shooter]

I'd like to see Hudgins in the top 3, justified IMO by all the records he broke this season. Possibly a winner if we can make a deep run in the playoffs and the other candidates have a poor showing.

Playoff games are not in the equation from what I've been told.

[PhoenixPhan06]

Playoff games are not in the equation from what I've been told.

That sucks, well that'll make it near impossible for Hudgins to get it. Still would like to see him in the top 3.

[SpeedkingATL]

Because of the lack of televised "out of region" FCS games it is nearly impossible to see many of the players in other conferences unless you have time to really work the internet for streaming. In ATL I see a lot of SoCon, CAA, and Big South, but very few games from the left coast. Wish we did get Big Sky and others in this area. I even wonder how many of the voters get to really see a lot of these players.xchinscratchx

AE, Pentland (sp) and Hudgins are the best I've seen this year but I haven't seen much of the others. For example, I haven't seen Montana since last years NC and haven't seen EWU since we played them in the playoffs 2 years ago, and I'll watch any FCS game I can find.

I seriously doubt AE wins this year because he has missed 2 games and he won last year. He's my homer pick, but we'll see.xthumbsupx

[grizzpaw]

i have watched only on the netxscanx:(and both ae and karim are unreal. hoping to see ae before the end:D but in my book xchinscratchxi would vote xbangx..............karimxsmileyclapxxsmileyclapx

[Keenan]

Nichols has my vote and I think should be a clear cut choice for this award as he was the best overall player in FCS this season. To put up those numbers in a strong conference is mind boggling, especially considering the last four games which were clutch.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Nichols has my vote and I think should be a clear cut choice for this award as he was the best overall player in FCS this season. To put up those numbers in a strong conference is mind boggling, especially considering the last four games which were clutch.

xnodx

[whoanellie]

Homer vote update:

AE - 10
Hudgins - 3
Karim - 3
Niclos - 2
Pendland - 1
Perr. - 1

Read guys. you cannot read the disclaimer until one scrolls down past the polling page.

[CatFan22]

My top 3 are:

Karim
Nichols
Edwards

[paul1978]

The poll took up the entire screen so I didn't read you comment about fans of the respective teams not voting before I voted.

xdohx

Ditto. Sorry:o

[Houndawg]

Karim's FCS leading stats running for the top rated team in the division (who got hosed by the selection committee) speak for themselves, but don't show things like the fact that he is a very good blocker, mighty unusual for a feature back. He can take it to the house every time he touches the ball. Has to be him or AE. Nichols has nice stats but rolled them up against a league that isn't strong on defense.

[SDSUJacks]

Edwards
Karim
Nichols

In that order.

[Saint3333]

Updated votes w/o homer votes:

AE - 18
Hudgins - 5
Karim - 10
Nichols - 14
Reynolds - 1

The rest of the votes are pretty accurate with only 1 or 2 homer votes.

[phoenixphanatic21]

Ditto. Sorry:o

I did the same thing. My bad. xoopsx

[elon77]

Homer vote update:

AE - 10
Hudgins - 3
Karim - 3
Niclos - 2
Pendland - 1
Perr. - 1

Read guys.
Does this mean AE is king of the homers?xconfusedx

[Saint3333]

Looks like Reynolds is 7 out of 8 votes were Griz.

AE is still ahead after homers votes are taking out. Nichols is a close second, with Karim 3rd.

[AshevilleApp]

I think Armanti missing the ECU and Western games will actually hurt his chances. I'd say Nichols, Edwards, Karim in that order. Also not sure how the voters view a player who has already won it once...they may sway to another player for that reason

[AshevilleApp]

My top 3 are:

Karim
Nichols
Edwards

I think those are the top three, just not sure what order....all deserving

[Kemo]

Deji Karim has done all his good stuff and never fumbled in his career.....Karim deserves the award this year.

Because he's never fumbled? That's why he should win the Payton?

Well, Armanti flosses twice a day.
What are you talking about AppAlum? Gaining 1500 yards rushing and not fumbling is an incredible feat for a running back. Just because you have a horse in the race doesn't mean you should let that cloud your judgment.

[MightyMightyGriz]

Sorry, outside the rest of the norm. Chase Reynolds all the way. If not this year, next it will be. His senior year will be a dominate one. He is quick, ball worthy, and will dominate touchdown records that will make him more then a contender. xbowx

[AppAlum2003]

Sorry, outside the rest of the norm. Chase Reynolds all the way. If not this year, next it will be. His senior year will be a dominate one. He is quick, ball worthy, and will dominate touchdown records that will make him more then a contender. xbowx

I'm really not understanding why if Chase Reynolds is getting so much love that Devon Moore isn't being recognized. His numbers are EXTREMELY close to Chase's. I'm not saying he deserves the award, but I did notice the similarities.


Chase Reynolds, Montana, Junior
STATS: 251 carries, 1,159 yards rushing, 15 rushing touchdowns, 4.6 average, 27 catches, 248 yards receiving, 2 receiving touchdowns, 9.2 average, 1,407 all-purpose yards, 11 games played.

Devon Moore, Appalachian State, Junior
STATS: 193 carries, 1,054 yards rushing, 15 rushing touchdowns, 5.5 average, 28 catches, 248 yards receiving, 0 receiving touchdowns, 8.9 average, 1,302 all-purpose yards, 11 games played

[AppAlum2003]

I also don't understand some of you saying that Nichols should win it, hands down. He's got less than 400 extra all-purpose yards than AE... in two more games. It's not AE's fault that Elon players like to aim low on him (or that he can't operate heavy machinery.)

The award, IMO, should not be about who can accumulate the most yards, etc. There are too many other factors in play. It should be awarded to the BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER in FCS. Stats can certainly play a role in deciding this, but you can't just automatically give it to the guy at the top of each stats list.

Granted, I haven't seen a lot of the other candidates more than once or twice, but I can't think of one player that's been more dominate than AE. There's a reason ASU reserved an entire section up front at AE's graduation next month for all of the other SoCon coaches. They are all going to show up to make sure he is actually leaving.

And yes, I know... I'm married to Marge.

[MightyMightyGriz]

I'm really not understanding why if Chase Reynolds is getting so much love that Devon Moore isn't being recognized. His numbers are EXTREMELY close to Chase's. I'm not saying he deserves the award, but I did notice the similarities.


Chase Reynolds, Montana, Junior
STATS: 251 carries, 1,159 yards rushing, 15 rushing touchdowns, 4.6 average, 27 catches, 248 yards receiving, 2 receiving touchdowns, 9.2 average, 1,407 all-purpose yards, 11 games played.

Devon Moore, Appalachian State, Junior
STATS: 193 carries, 1,054 yards rushing, 15 rushing touchdowns, 5.5 average, 28 catches, 248 yards receiving, 0 receiving touchdowns, 8.9 average, 1,302 all-purpose yards, 11 games played


Moore looks like a contender in that respect. Hope we see him next year in the race. xcoffeex

[Native]

I think Matt Hichols will turn out to be more of a play maker in these playoffs than the ECB voters in this poll are giving him credit for.

AE is fantastic when he is healthy but is he really back to 100%?!??

[clawman]

I think Matt Hichols will turn out to be more of a play maker in these playoffs than the ECB voters in this poll are giving him credit for.

AE is fantastic when he is healthy but is he really back to 100%?!??

Sometimes it seems Nichols tries too hard. He tends to force passes where they should not go rather than running or throwing it away. But his success is obvious.

[AppAlum2003]

I think Matt Hichols will turn out to be more of a play maker in these playoffs than the ECB voters in this poll are giving him credit for.

AE is fantastic when he is healthy but is he really back to 100%?!??

Voting takes place before the playoffs.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Sorry, outside the rest of the norm. Chase Reynolds all the way. If not this year, next it will be. His senior year will be a dominate one. He is quick, ball worthy, and will dominate touchdown records that will make him more then a contender. xbowx

That's if he gets by Taiwan Jones. There will be a noob starting at QB for us next year, which means more carries for Jones. xnodx

[AppAlum2003]

What are you talking about AppAlum? Gaining 1500 yards rushing and not fumbling is an incredible feat for a running back. Just because you have a horse in the race doesn't mean you should let that cloud your judgment.

It was a joke... relax.

[Vidav]

I also don't understand some of you saying that Nichols should win it, hands down. He's got less than 400 extra all-purpose yards than AE... in two more games. It's not AE's fault that Elon players like to aim low on him (or that he can't operate heavy machinery.)

The award, IMO, should not be about who can accumulate the most yards, etc. There are too many other factors in play. It should be awarded to the BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER in FCS. Stats can certainly play a role in deciding this, but you can't just automatically give it to the guy at the top of each stats list.

Granted, I haven't seen a lot of the other candidates more than once or twice, but I can't think of one player that's been more dominate than AE. There's a reason ASU reserved an entire section up front at AE's graduation next month for all of the other SoCon coaches. They are all going to show up to make sure he is actually leaving.

And yes, I know... I'm married to Marge.

Marc Mariani. xthumbsupx

Obviously that is a bit of a homer response but I have never seen anyone able to make the big plays quite like Mariani. Of course he isn't on the list so it was also a joke, but I stand by the fact that he is at least in the top 5 offensive players in FCS.

[AshevilleApp]

Edwards

2nd in Scoring per game behind Pendland
3rd in Offense per game behind Randolph and Skelton
1st in Completion Percentage
5th in Passing Efficiency behind Perrilloux, Black, Curley, Nichols)

342 yds per game, 16 rushing tds, 10 passing tds, only 3 Ints, 163.35 Rating and a 72% completion percentage.

All of this despite not playing in numerous 4th quarters

[GrizNzonecrazy]

Matt Nichols, Eastern Washington, Senior
STATS: 255-of-382 (66%), 3,369 yards passing, 30 passing touchdowns, 5 interceptions, 59 carries, 85 yards rushing, 2 rushing touchdowns, 1.4 average, 3,454 yards of total offense, 11 games played.

Enough said.....

[crusader11]

Randolph is averaging 20.18 points per game. Armanti is at 17.33 and Pendland at 11.80. But, who's counting anyways?

[biggie]

Edwards

2nd in Scoring per game behind Pendland
3rd in Offense per game behind Randolph and Skelton
1st in Completion Percentage
5th in Passing Efficiency behind Perrilloux, Black, Curley, Nichols)

342 yds per game, 16 rushing tds, 10 passing tds, only 3 Ints, 163.35 Rating and a 72% completion percentage.

All of this despite not playing in numerous 4th quarters
That's true, it hasn't been mentioned that AE has probably only been in for about 7.5 to 8 FULL games. Missing 4th quarters about 3-4 times and half of 3rd qtrs a couple times because the game being in-hand.

[clawman]

That's true, it hasn't been mentioned that AE has probably only been in for about 7.5 to 8 FULL games. Missing 4th quarters about 3-4 times and half of 3rd qtrs a couple times because the game being in-hand.

Football is a physical game. Should a player get credit for being injured? There may be many reasons for the injury but bottom line, sitting on the bench is of no value to your team.
When the game is a blowout, some player sit to give a sub a chance for more experience, should they get credit for that?
Sorry about the injury but stats are stats.

[HiHiYikas]

I hope all the numbers guys were riding the Bruce Eugene/Josh Johnson bandwagon a few seasons ago.

By the numbers, those guys should have combined for 4 Paytons.

[CopperCat]

Matt Nichols has the numbers, and he has his team poised in the playoffs. Armanti has pretty darn good numbers as well, but at this point I think if he were to win the award it wouldn't be because he was the BEST offensive player. I think it would be more a career achievement award (grizband and I discussed this over thanksgiving). No matter who the award goes to, there are plenty of offensive standouts this year.

[mistersykes]

Nichols, Karim, and Edwards, in no particular order. Perriloux, Randolph, and Hudgins are also deserving, but there are only 3 finalists!

[Kiss My Apps]

Matt Nichols has the numbers, and he has his team poised in the playoffs. Armanti has pretty darn good numbers as well, but at this point I think if he were to win the award it wouldn't be because he was the BEST offensive player. I think it would be more a career achievement award (grizband and I discussed this over thanksgiving). No matter who the award goes to, there are plenty of offensive standouts this year.

The BEST offensive player is not dictated by the BEST statistics. The vote is not purely objective.

[AshevilleApp]

Randolph is averaging 20.18 points per game. Armanti is at 17.33 and Pendland at 11.80. But, who's counting anyways?

The stat fiends who call "scoring offense" a rushing or receiving TD.

[AggieRX]

My vote would be for Edwards, tho Karim and Nichols do deserve some mention

[skinny_uncle]

I have to cast my homer vote for the Karim of the Crop. He is one of the most exciting running backs I have ever seen. If he is on the field, he is in scoring range.
xnodx

[Sader87]

It has to be Randolph....no other player in the country comes close to matching the importance of that one player to his team's overall success.