Front runner today for the Payton Award?

[Go Apps]

??

[GrizFoo]

Chase Reynolds has to be in the conversation, IMHO.

[ElonPride]

Once Terrell Hudgins breaks the receiving yards record held by Jerry Rice, he might be the front runner. I think he has 40 yards to go and should do it this weekend versus WCU.

[Poker Alan]

Chase has really geared up for a late-season push, but unless he continues the 200+ yds/3 Td's a game the rest of the season, it is going to be too little, too late.

[appstate38]

Chase Reynolds has to be in the conversation, IMHO.

Is he on the watch list? If not, he should be.

[Elon Fightin' Christians]

Hudgins and Armanti have to be on the short list.

[AppAlum2003]

Is he on the watch list? If not, he should be.

As of yesterday when I looked at the website, he was not. This should be a crime in 39 states.

Edit: OK, I PROMISE his picture wasn't on there yesterday. Either that or I've been working too hard. He's on there now.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Chase has really geared up for a late-season push, but unless he continues the 200+ yds/3 Td's a game the rest of the season, it is going to be too little, too late.

I like Chase and think he should be on the watch list, but I wouldn't consider him in the running yet. The potential is there, have to see how the rest of the year and probable playoffs go.

[FargoBison]

Peyton? Never heard of this award....

[Killsback]

Deji Karim of SIU has put together a stellar year and has to be the favorite right now.

[crusader11]

Toss Dom Randolph up there. He leads the nation in total offense, total touchdowns, is responsible for 23.25 points a game (Jeremy Moses is next at 19.50), and is tied for most passing touchdowns at 26.

[grizband]

Chase Reynolds is on the Payton watch list (I checked this morning), but I would not consider him a front runner at this point. Unfortunately, too may early season games with low yardage totals (less than 75) hurt his chances - although, a couple more games similar to Weber State, and he could be right up near the top. Chase is at 822 yards rushing with three games remaining, and could be helped out by another monster game against Idaho State (175+ yards, multiple TDs).

[PhoenixPhan06]

Call it SoCon bias, but Hudgins and Edwards belong in the top 5 easily!!

[HighRyder08]

AE for the repeat....... CALLING IT

[gophoenix]

I am saying Edwards wins it.

Hudgins might get some sympathy votes, but RBs and QBs are always going to have better numbers than a WR.

[Silenoz]

Edwards will win it

I'll be pulling for Chase next year though

[appmaj]

AE, Perrilloux, & Hudgins...

[FargoBison]

I don't know who will take the Peyton but I definitely gotta go with Deji Karim for the Payton Award.

[Saint3333]

If AE continue to average over 350 yards a game and 3TDs the last 3 games the only reason he wouldn't win it would be the repeat factor from the voters. Agreed with the QB vs. WR comparison, Hudgins will likely finish 3rd or 4th much like Davon did for ASU in 2004. Game changing WRs just don't win over game changing QBs.

AE - 2000 passing yards, 10 TDs, 1 INT, 72% completion rating, 450 rushing yards, 12 TDs

And the numbers are just the beginning.

[BarefootApp]

All things being equal (which is rare), and no injuries, etc., Armanti should repeat. There are alot of great FCS players, but no one equals him as a game changer. Every opposing coach ASU has played this year has basically said the same thing, "thank goodness we won't see him again." That is a great thumbs up and he is a really good guy.

[SpeedkingATL]

I know more about the SoCon guys than many of the other conferences and gotta say both Hudgins and AE are deserving. Lots of great players out there in FCS land. Unfortunately about the only time any FCS teams west of the Mississippi are televised here in ATL is during the playoffs so my picks are bias and based on what I have actually seen. AE has been simply amazing this year and I've seen Hudgins twice and he looked like a man among boys both games.xbowx

[AppAlum2003]

All bias aside - it's Armanti Edwards' award to lose. After winning last year and putting up huge numbers again this year he should win it easily (pending injury *fingers crossed*)

[JSU02]

RYAN PERRILLOUX

[asknoquarter21]

RYAN PERRILLOUX

I thought he wasn't eligible.

Maybe I misunderstood and they just don't vote for transfers.

Armanti Edwards everyone else is 2nd

[PhoenixMan]

When you combine passing yards, rushing yards, leadership.....and winning, Armanti Edwards is the CLEAR front runnner. If Hudgins had another area to help his all purpose, like returning kicks and punts, he would have a better chance.

[Kemo]

I know his team is playing too poorly for him to win it, but Pat Paschall of North Dakota State should at least get some recognition for what he's been doing this season. He leads the nation in rushing, despite missing a game and the fact that his team's passing game is just awful, so every defense they play keys on him.

[JSU02]

I thought he wasn't eligible.

Maybe I misunderstood and they just don't vote for transfers.

Armanti Edwards everyone else is 2nd

You did misunderstand.

[Skjellyfetti]

JSU fans-- what would be your argument for voting for Perrilloux over Armanti?

[AshevilleApp]

Link to the Watch List?

[ElonPride]

Isn't it the "Payton" Award?? :)

[AppAlum2003]

Link to the Watch List?

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/fcsawards/index.aspx

Forgive the "old west" theme. xnonono2x

[SCSUDog4Life]

IMO, Curtis Pulley from FAMU belongs in the equation as well...he's doing something this season that Armanti did when he won the award....pass for over 2,000 yards and rush for over 1,000 yards in a season

[Ronbo]

Chase Reynolds is on the Payton watch list (I checked this morning), but I would not consider him a front runner at this point. Unfortunately, too may early season games with low yardage totals (less than 75) hurt his chances - although, a couple more games similar to Weber State, and he could be right up near the top. Chase is at 822 yards rushing with three games remaining, and could be helped out by another monster game against Idaho State (175+ yards, multiple TDs).


He leads the nation in TD's I believe at 14.

[AppAlum2003]

IMO, Curtis Pulley from FAMU belongs in the equation as well...he's doing something this season that Armanti did when he won the award....pass for over 2,000 yards and rush for over 1,000 yards in a season

Where is he at right now statistically?

[iceman4221]

IMO, Curtis Pulley from FAMU belongs in the equation as well...he's doing something this season that Armanti did when he won the award....pass for over 2,000 yards and rush for over 1,000 yards in a season

Yep, he's the MEAC POY and Curtis Pulley is definitely the truth!!!

The only thing that will prevent him from playing on Sundays, would be something NOT related to Football...

Because his play on the gridiron in 2009 has been stupendous!!!

But the odds on favorite has to be Armanti Edwards, no matter what!!! He just wins!!!

[iceman4221]

Yep, he's the MEAC POY and Curtis Pulley is definitely the truth!!!

The only thing that will prevent him from playing on Sundays, would be something NOT related to Football... because his play on the gridiron in 2009 has been stupendous!!!

But the odds on favorite has to be Armanti Edwards, no matter what!!! He just wins!!!

[biggie]

IMO, Curtis Pulley from FAMU belongs in the equation as well...he's doing something this season that Armanti did when he won the award....pass for over 2,000 yards and rush for over 1,000 yards in a season
Actually AE just missed the rushing over 1k last year when he won (941yds), the year before he achieved it.


Pulley's numbers

PassingL 123comp-202att 1657yds 11TD 6INT
Rushing: 112att 810yds 5TD 7.2avg
Record: 6-2

He should be in the mix, the lower TD totals and higher INTs vs AE would hurt and some will argue the competition factor.

Right now if they consider that AE and RP have only 7 games then that is in their favor, but the reason that RP missed his game may also be considered (conduct, and representing a Division in public).

[grizband]

He leads the nation in TD's I believe at 14.
I love Reynolds as much as any Griz fan, but he needs a few more big games to secure contention as a finalist. Until the outstanding performance against Weber, Chase was having an average season yardage wise - he cannot afford anything but excellence the rest of this year.

[GolfingGriz]

Reynolds is probably in the conversation with his 14 tds, but I think his numbers will slow down a little the next two weeks. I would expect TBF, Moore, and Nguyen to get most of the carries the next two weeks and allow Reynolds to rest up a little for the cats and beyond.

[phoenix3]

I don't see any QB winning it over Armanti. I'd love to see Hudgins win for obvious reasons plus his breaking the records of an Icon in Jerry Rice. But, if it's a QB, it's got to be Armanti.

[Hoyadestroya85]

JSU fans-- what would be your argument for voting for Perrilloux over Armanti?

I'm not a JSU fan, but as an observer he leads the nation in passing efficiency and he has an ungodly TD-INT ratio.

[BEAR]

Rushing Stats Receiving Stats
Carries Yds TDs Avg Rec. Yards TDs Avg Result
99 590 9 6 25 213 2 8.5 6-2

Pendland has 9 TDs, 590 yards rushing, 213 yards receiving with an 8.5 ypc and 2 TDs.

RUSHING GP Att Gain Loss Net Avg TD Long Avg/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
Grimes,Brent 8 107 688 16 672 6.3 12 42 84.0

RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
Grimes,Brent 8 17 162 9.5 1 31 20.2


I'm a fan of Pendland, but why isn't Brent Grimes on the list with his numbers this year? I know he's not in the AE realm, but he deserves a little love from the voters. xlolx

[Runner]

Actually AE just missed the rushing over 1k last year when he won (941yds), the year before he achieved it.


Pulley's numbers

PassingL 123comp-202att 1657yds 11TD 6INT
Rushing: 112att 810yds 5TD 7.2avg
Record: 6-2

He should be in the mix, the lower TD totals and higher INTs vs AE would hurt and some will argue the competition factor.

Right now if they consider that AE and RP have only 7 games then that is in their favor, but the reason that RP missed his game may also be considered (conduct, and representing a Division in public).

Got to go with the Home Team. Curtis Pulley.

[JSU02]

JSU fans-- what would be your argument for voting for Perrilloux over Armanti?

He leads all of FBS, FCS and Division II in passing efficiency.

[Houndawg]

Right now it has to be Edwards or Karim. Best QB and RB in FCS today.

[Skjellyfetti]

He leads all of FBS, FCS and Division II in passing efficiency.

And,

Armanti has a much higher completion percentage.
Armanti has thrown fewer interceptions and has a better TD to INT ratio.
Armanti averages more yards per game (a lot more yards if you look at total yards and not just passing yards)
Armanti has 4 games of 300+ yards passing. Perrilloux has 1.
Armanti ahs 1 game of 400+ yards passing. Perrilloux has 0.
Armanti has a 100+ yard rushing game. Perrilloux does not.

Perrilloux has more touchdown passes than Armanti... and I'd assume that's why his passing efficiency is better. But, Armanti beats him in every other category I can think of.

But, I guess if you want to just award it to the guy with the highest passing efficiency...

[ASU_Fanatic]

It'll be Armanti....

[R.A.]

Edwards OR Pulley

[ASU_Fanatic]

Edwards OR Edwards


Fixed xnodx

[AshevilleApp]

Looks like a down year for RB across the board.....many good ones just no one guy tearing up the league....probably going QB meaning Edwards, Pulley, Randolph, Higgins, Nichols or Perilloux....As much as I'd like to see Hudgins get some love...as stated before WR is a tough position to take the hardware home.

Stats/Ranking of the 6 QBs
Rating
1. Perilloux 180.5
2. Edwards 167.9
3. Randolph 154.8
4. Nichols 154.7
5. Higgins 144.5
6. Pulley 141.8

Completion Percentage
1. Edwards 72.1
2. Nichols 65.9
3. Randolph 65.4
4. Higgins 64.4
5. Pulley 60.9
6. Perilloux 60.4

Total Yards
1. Randolph 2973
2. Nichols 2609
3. Edwards 2533
4. Pulley 2467
5. Higgins 2304
6. Perilloux 1945

[whoanellie]

breaking the reception and also all time yardage is a heck of a career...
when you see a highlight of preobably 400 receptions over a 4 yr period it throws out convention....they ought to rename an award for top receiver in that case. xthumbsupx

[Sader87]

It's Randolph...end of discussion.

[DLS]

http://vimeo.com/6772819

discussion reopened.

[Head Cat]

As of yesterday when I looked at the website, he was not. This should be a crime in 39 states.

Edit: OK, I PROMISE his picture wasn't on there yesterday. Either that or I've been working too hard. He's on there now.

Chase Reynolds was on the preseason Payton watch list and has remained on there the whole year. Don't know what site you've been looking at?

[grizband]

Chase Reynolds was on the preseason Payton watch list and has remained on there the whole year. Don't know what site you've been looking at?
I honestly thought he might be removed, but he kept scoring touchdowns, and had a few big yardage games.

[CrusaderBob]

Looks like a down year for RB across the board.....many good ones just no one guy tearing up the league....probably going QB meaning Edwards, Pulley, Randolph, Higgins, Nichols or Perilloux....As much as I'd like to see Hudgins get some love...as stated before WR is a tough position to take the hardware home.

Stats/Ranking of the 6 QBs
Rating
1. Perilloux 180.5
2. Edwards 167.9
3. Randolph 154.8
4. Nichols 154.7
5. Higgins 144.5
6. Pulley 141.8

Completion Percentage
1. Edwards 72.1
2. Nichols 65.9
3. Randolph 65.4
4. Higgins 64.4
5. Pulley 60.9
6. Perilloux 60.4

Total Yards
1. Randolph 2973
2. Nichols 2609
3. Edwards 2533
4. Pulley 2467
5. Higgins 2304
6. Perilloux 1945

One critical stat you left off and the one that probably matters most, touchdowns.

1. Randolph - 31 (26 passing/5 Rushing)
2. Higgins - 25 (25/0)
3. Edwards - 22 (10/12)
3. Perrilloux - 22 (17/5)
3. Nichols - 22 (21/1)
6. Pulley - 16 (11/5)

Discussion over again. xnodx

[AppAlum2003]

Chase Reynolds was on the preseason Payton watch list and has remained on there the whole year. Don't know what site you've been looking at?

I was referring to Hudgins - quoted the wrong post.

[AppAlum2003]

One critical stat you left off and the one that probably matters most, touchdowns.

1. Randolph - 31 (26 passing/5 Rushing)
2. Higgins - 25 (25/0)
3. Edwards - 22 (10/12)
3. Perrilloux - 22 (17/5)
3. Nichols - 22 (21/1)
6. Pulley - 16 (11/5)

Discussion over again. xnodx

Oh... so it only counts if Armanti actually brings it across the goaline? Which team has the #1 offense in FCS again? I forgot. xreadx

[Silenoz]

One critical stat you left off and the one that probably matters most, touchdowns.

1. Randolph - 31 (26 passing/5 Rushing)
2. Higgins - 25 (25/0)
3. Edwards - 22 (10/12)
3. Perrilloux - 22 (17/5)
3. Nichols - 22 (21/1)
6. Pulley - 16 (11/5)

Discussion over again. xnodx
Holy Cross has not played McNeese, ECU, Florida State, Cal, Montana, etc

[AppAlum2003]

Chase Reynolds was on the preseason Payton watch list and has remained on there the whole year. Don't know what site you've been looking at?

Negative Rep points? Seriously.

Here comes a red chicklet. I'd appreciate anyone else that would give this joker one. How the heck did my post deserve that?

I already stated that I quoted the wrong post in my previous message. Get over it.

[19Duke97]

And,

Armanti has a much higher completion percentage.
Armanti has thrown fewer interceptions and has a better TD to INT ratio.
Armanti averages more yards per game (a lot more yards if you look at total yards and not just passing yards)
Armanti has 4 games of 300+ yards passing. Perrilloux has 1.
Armanti ahs 1 game of 400+ yards passing. Perrilloux has 0.
Armanti has a 100+ yard rushing game. Perrilloux does not.

Perrilloux has more touchdown passes than Armanti... and I'd assume that's why his passing efficiency is better. But, Armanti beats him in every other category I can think of.

But, I guess if you want to just award it to the guy with the highest passing efficiency...

Let me preface these comments by saying I think AE is a fantastic player, BUT..
I'd bet Armanti has better athletes around him, including Oline and Wide receivers as well. Armanti will win this b/c he is the poster boy for FCS football, but I think it's pretty clear thre are other players in the running this year that should be included in the argument. I'd say Rodney Landers was more deserving last year (yes biased), but AE won. people have to remember that the voters don't get to see all the candidates in action, but since AE went into UM a few years back and won, he's been the face of FCS football, both on ESPN and other news outlets.

[CrusaderBob]

Oh... so it only counts if Armanti actually brings it across the goaline? Which team has the #1 offense in FCS again? I forgot. xreadx

1. Didn't say it only counts, but it should count and count for more.

2. App State leads in total offense, unfortunately the Payton award is not an award for the best offfensive team in the country. Randolph leads the country in total offense.

3. Holy Cross is 4th in total offense and Randolph has a hand in 81.7% of that number! Edwards on the other hand "only" contributes to 70.4% of App St.'s offense. So with that much more of HC'S attack on Randolph's shoulders, opponents focus more on stopping him - not that Edwards isn't the focus of App's opponents but App has other choices - yet Randolph is still putting up more TDs, more total yards.

Ipso Facto ... Randolph! xnodx

[AppAlum2003]

1. Didn't say it only counts, but it should count and count for more.

2. App State leads in total offense, unfortunately the Payton award is not an award for the best offfensive team in the country. Randolph leads the country in total offense.

3. Holy Cross is 4th in total offense and Randolph has a hand in 81.7% of that number! Edwards on the other hand "only" contributes to 70.4% of App St.'s offense. So with that much more of HC attack on Randolph's shoulders, opponents focus more on stopping him - not that Edwards isn't the focus of App's opponents but App has other choices - yet Randolph is still putting up more TDs, more total yards.

Ipso Facto ... Randolph! xnodx

So if Armanti leads a drive all the way down field and Devon Moore punches it in from 2 yards out, AE did NOTHING? I'm confused. DM has 10 touchdowns this year as well.

[DLS]

Let me preface these comments by saying I think AE is a fantastic player, BUT..
I'd bet Armanti has better athletes around him, including Oline and Wide receivers as well. Armanti will win this b/c he is the poster boy for FCS football, but I think it's pretty clear thre are other players in the running this year that should be included in the argument. I'd say Rodney Landers was more deserving last year (yes biased), but AE won. people have to remember that the voters don't get to see all the candidates in action, but since AE went into UM a few years back and won, he's been the face of FCS football, both on ESPN and other news outlets.

what oline are you refering to? for the past 3months ive heard nothing but complaints about it. AE makes these plays IN SPITE of the shallow oline. personally i want to kill pat mills.

also something else that does not get mentioned, look at the weather AE has played in. almost every home game we've had so far this year has been pouring rain. yet his stats are still redic.

[phillyAPP]

1. Didn't say it only counts, but it should count and count for more.

2. App State leads in total offense, unfortunately the Payton award is not an award for the best offfensive team in the country. Randolph leads the country in total offense.

3. Holy Cross is 4th in total offense and Randolph has a hand in 81.7% of that number! Edwards on the other hand "only" contributes to 70.4% of App St.'s offense. So with that much more of HC'S attack on Randolph's shoulders, opponents focus more on stopping him - not that Edwards isn't the focus of App's opponents but App has other choices - yet Randolph is still putting up more TDs, more total yards.

Ipso Facto ... Randolph! xnodx

I respect your faith in Randolph and believe he is a great talent shown by his stats but I believe the coach, the conference, the SID you have, and the people doing the voting may be the most important deciding facters.

I think there should be a comparison of stats that includes time of play because most of AE's stats are for 3 qtrs of a game(the coach pulls AE).

[Saint3333]

Holy Cross fans check the schedules and get back to us. Randolph will be top 5 but isn't likely to win.

[Prominentwon]

Rushing Stats Receiving Stats
Carries Yds TDs Avg Rec. Yards TDs Avg Result
99 590 9 6 25 213 2 8.5 6-2

Pendland has 9 TDs, 590 yards rushing, 213 yards receiving with an 8.5 ypc and 2 TDs.

RUSHING GP Att Gain Loss Net Avg TD Long Avg/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
Grimes,Brent 8 107 688 16 672 6.3 12 42 84.0

RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
Grimes,Brent 8 17 162 9.5 1 31 20.2


I'm a fan of Pendland, but why isn't Brent Grimes on the list with his numbers this year? I know he's not in the AE realm, but he deserves a little love from the voters. xlolx


Because Pendland has been hurt the last 3 games. Personally, I think Pendland would be in the Top 3 if it weren't for his groin that has been pestering him the last few weeks. He had 2 TD's last game with few yards vs. Nicholls and sat the rest of the game because of his injury. Didn't play the last 2 yards.

Personally, I think if he were healthy, he would be far and beyond Grimes numbers. But, I would rather Pendland healthy towards the end of the year for Texas St and Cent. Arkansas than receiving the Payton award. I'm sure he feels the same.

Just a tough break for Pendland. I said it after the App. St. game that if he stayed healthy he would have had to been a finalist for the award.

[CrusaderBob]

I respect your faith in Randolph and believe he is a great talent shown by his stats but I believe the coach, the conference, the SID you have, and the people doing the voting may be the most important deciding facters.

Excellent point. Why are we even discussing this becasue ultimately we have no say and the voters are not the most important factor in deciding the award, they are the only factor!

Both Dom and AE are wonderful players. I'm just making the case for the guy on my team and demonstrating that there is strong evidence that Randolph compares pretty well with AE and that perhaps the award is not a fait accompli. They are closer than you think.

[AppAlum2003]

Excellent point. Why are we even discussing this becasue ultimately we have no say and the voters are not the most important factor in deciding the award, they are the only factor!

Both Dom and AE are wonderful players. I'm just making the case for the guy on my team and demonstrating that there is strong evidence that Randolph compares pretty well with AE and that perhaps the award is not a fait accompli. They are closer than you think.

Randolph is certainly impressive. There is no doubt about that. I just think it's AE's to lose.

[19Duke97]

what oline are you refering to? for the past 3months ive heard nothing but complaints about it. AE makes these plays IN SPITE of the shallow oline. personally i want to kill pat mills.

also something else that does not get mentioned, look at the weather AE has played in. almost every home game we've had so far this year has been pouring rain. yet his stats are still redic.

lol Look at JSU with and without Perriloux and it's like night and day. Im not saying AE is not deserving, nor knocking him. Just saying other folks can make an argument for "their guy".

[AshevilleApp]

One critical stat you left off and the one that probably matters most, touchdowns.

1. Randolph - 31 (26 passing/5 Rushing)
2. Higgins - 25 (25/0)
3. Edwards - 22 (10/12)
3. Perrilloux - 22 (17/5)
3. Nichols - 22 (21/1)
6. Pulley - 16 (11/5)

Discussion over again. xnodx

Sorry, I was madly clikcing away on my laptop while lying in bed and my wife got peeved at me....had to stop but thanks for extending the stats talk.

[ElonPride]

Sorry, I was madly clikcing away on my laptop while lying in bed and my wife got peeved at me....had to stop but thanks for extending the stats talk.


So....by looking at stats listed in this thread, do you think someone should be included with these stats:

2318 passing yards
19 TDs, only 4 INTs
22TDs responsible for.....
xsmiley_wix

[Skjellyfetti]

Let me preface these comments by saying I think AE is a fantastic player, BUT..
I'd bet Armanti has better athletes around him, including Oline and Wide receivers as well. Armanti will win this b/c he is the poster boy for FCS football, but I think it's pretty clear thre are other players in the running this year that should be included in the argument. I'd say Rodney Landers was more deserving last year (yes biased), but AE won. people have to remember that the voters don't get to see all the candidates in action, but since AE went into UM a few years back and won, he's been the face of FCS football, both on ESPN and other news outlets.

I'm not arguing that it should be AE's and noone else should be discussed. I was just arguing that Perrilloux doesn't deserve it at this point. I just don't think he quite belongs with Armanti, Hudgins, Reynolds, Karim, Randolph, etc. <-- Those 5 guys are ALL deserving of it at this point.



Also, not sure what last year has to do with anything... but, you say your main gripe about Armanti winning it last year was that he had a ton of talent around him. And you think Landers was more deserving? You really believe that last year's Appalachian team was THAT much more athletic and talented then the JMU team that beat them? xeyebrowx

[biggie]

So....by looking at stats listed in this thread, do you think someone should be included with these stats:

2318 passing yards
19 TDs, only 4 INTs
22TDs responsible for.....
xsmiley_wix
Probably. His net yards are a little lower than some (since he only has 31 yds rushing for those 3 TDs). And depends on the voters looking at the other teamate that is a candidate being the reason for his numbers.

Kind of like a QB battle, if you have 2 Payton candidates you don't have one (or one of them is much less likely to win).

[Skjellyfetti]

1. Didn't say it only counts, but it should count and count for more.

2. App State leads in total offense, unfortunately the Payton award is not an award for the best offfensive team in the country. Randolph leads the country in total offense.

3. Holy Cross is 4th in total offense and Randolph has a hand in 81.7% of that number! Edwards on the other hand "only" contributes to 70.4% of App St.'s offense. So with that much more of HC'S attack on Randolph's shoulders, opponents focus more on stopping him - not that Edwards isn't the focus of App's opponents but App has other choices - yet Randolph is still putting up more TDs, more total yards.

Ipso Facto ... Randolph! xnodx

Randolph put up similar numbers last year and finished 9th.

He's a very talented QB, but I think the quality of opposition may hurt his voting.

[Owl Wingman]

Armanti, Randolph, Hudgins are top 3

[AshevilleApp]

So....by looking at stats listed in this thread, do you think someone should be included with these stats:

2318 passing yards
19 TDs, only 4 INTs
22TDs responsible for.....
xsmiley_wix

Probably but I only went with the watch list QBs

[AshevilleApp]

Looks like a down year for RB across the board.....many good ones just no one guy tearing up the league....probably going QB meaning Edwards, Pulley, Randolph, Higgins, Nichols or Perilloux....As much as I'd like to see Hudgins get some love...as stated before WR is a tough position to take the hardware home.

Stats/Ranking of the 6 QBs
Rating
1. Perilloux 180.5
2. Edwards 167.9
3. Randolph 154.8
4. Nichols 154.7
5. Higgins 144.5
6. Pulley 141.8

Completion Percentage
1. Edwards 72.1
2. Nichols 65.9
3. Randolph 65.4
4. Higgins 64.4
5. Pulley 60.9
6. Perilloux 60.4

Total Yards
1. Randolph 2973
2. Nichols 2609
3. Edwards 2533
4. Pulley 2467
5. Higgins 2304
6. Perilloux 1945

Wanted to Include Total Yards/Per Game since Total Yards is a bit misleading

Total Yards/Game
1. Randolph 2973/8 = 371.6
2. Edwards 2533/7 = 361.9
3. Nichols 2609/8 = 326.1
4. Pulley 2467/8 = 308.4
5. Higgins 2304/8 = 297.5
6. Perilloux 1945/7 = 277.8

Based upon the stats at least between the QBs I'd have to lean with Edwards, Randolph and Nichols

[crusader11]

Wanted to Include Total Yards/Per Game since Total Yards is a bit misleading

Total Yards/Game
1. Edwards 2533/7 = 361.9
2. Randolph 2973/9 = 330.3
3. Nichols 2609/8 = 326.1
4. Pulley 2467/8 = 308.4
5. Higgins 2304/8 = 297.5
6. Perilloux 1945/7 = 277.8

Holy Cross has played 8 games, so Randolph is at 371.62 yards a game rather than 330.3

[AshevilleApp]

Holy Cross has played 8 games, so Randolph is at 371.62 yards a game rather than 330.3

You are right, I can't count!...fixed it

[crusader11]

You are right, I can't count!...fixed it

Haha, no worries, just looking out for my guy.

[biggie]

INTs and competition are what would be hurting Randolph in the eyes of voters. Yds/TDs are great.

[whoanellie]

as the #1 marked man in every Defensive coo-ordinators plan for your consideration

all time reception leader in FCS History....

Games Offense Receiving Pts
Att Comp Int Yards TD Conv Plays Yds No Yds TD TTL
TDs
Career Totals 41 2 27 0 27 0 4 3 0 42 1 0 6 69 354 4659 49 49 294
Season Totals 82 1042 13 13 78 and counting

[PhoenixMan]

So....by looking at stats listed in this thread, do you think someone should be included with these stats:

2318 passing yards
19 TDs, only 4 INTs
22TDs responsible for.....
xsmiley_wix

Yes. And I'm surprised that Mr. Riddle isn't on the list or any conversations. Next year!

[grizband]

as the #1 marked man in every Defensive coo-ordinators plan for your consideration

all time reception leader in FCS History....

Games Offense Receiving Pts
Att Comp Int Yards TD Conv Plays Yds No Yds TD TTL
TDs
Career Totals 41 2 27 0 27 0 4 3 0 42 1 0 6 69 354 4659 49 49 294
Season Totals 82 1042 13 13 78 and counting
In my opinion, career totals should have relevance to yearly awards - they should be based solely on current statistics (not to say Hudgins marks this year are not impressive).

[Head Cat]

I was referring to Hudgins - quoted the wrong post.

That makes the mistake even worse, considering Hudgins has been on the watch list for THREE YEARS.

[AppAlum2003]

That makes the mistake even worse, considering Hudgins has been on the watch list for THREE YEARS.

Where should I turn in my posting credentials? Is there a drop-off or do I have to mail it in?

As Lloyd said in Dumb and Dumber: "I'm sorry, I guess I forgot that you never ever make a mistake!"

[BlackNGold]

Watch These and you've got your award winner:

http://vimeo.com/appstatefootball/videos

[R.A.]

Fixed xnodx

The Payton Award is fixed??

PULLEY OR EDWARDS!

[BlackNGold]

The Payton Award is fixed??

PULLEY OR EDWARDS!

U did NOT watch the Videos

[gophoenix]

Watch These and you've got your award winner:

http://vimeo.com/appstatefootball/videos

No offense, but highlight reels aren't going to cut it. You can do the same thing with Hudgins, Roberts and any other number of game changes that do crazy things with the ball that other players only dream of.

The raw season numbers are the real enough deal.

[Skjellyfetti]

No offense, but highlight reels aren't going to cut it. You can do the same thing with Hudgins, Roberts and any other number of game changes that do crazy things with the ball that other players only dream of.

The raw season numbers are the real enough deal.

Raw season numbers don't paint the whole picture either.

If they did... the Payton would just be awarded to the FCS player with the most total offense on the season.

[AshevilleApp]

Can't see Pulley getting it after looking at the numbers....very good QB and dangerous weapon but be it right or wrong, playing in the MEAC you'd have to put up astounding numbers for consideration.

[CrusaderBob]

INTs and competition are what would be hurting Randolph in the eyes of voters. Yds/TDs are great.

Ints are an issue but with roughly 100 more attempts (& 150% of AE's total), there's a lot more opportunity.

As to competition, App has played the 62 toughest schedule thus far. HC 82. Not as big a disparity as one would think!

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fcs_9games_past.pdf

[gophoenix]

Ints are an issue but with roughly 100 more attempts (& 150% of AE's total), there's a lot more opportunity.

As to competition, App has played the 62 toughest schedule thus far. HC 82. Not as big a disparity as one would think!

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fcs_9games_past.pdf

Went through that with Elon in 1999 and 2000, this is win percentage of opponents, not a SoS.

[Skjellyfetti]

Ints are an issue but with roughly 100 more attempts (& 150% of AE's total), there's a lot more opportunity.

As to competition, App has played the 62 toughest schedule thus far. HC 82. Not as big a disparity as one would think!

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fcs_9games_past.pdf

That just goes by opponent's win loss record.

I'd put ECU, McNeese, Furman, Georgia Southern, etc. against anyone on Holy Cross's schedule. Only team comparably bad would be NCCU.

[gophoenix]

Raw season numbers don't paint the whole picture either.

If they did... the Payton would just be awarded to the FCS player with the most total offense on the season.

So, then, what is the award awarding? The best? The perceived best? The best given the circumstances?

A case could certainly be made that there are other players, on worse teams, making a larger contribution given their team makeup than Edwards is, if that is the case. Again, for sake of argument only.

For instance:

Roberts:
4 seasons before Roberts: 16-29
With Roberts: 20-22

Hudgins:
4 seasons before Hudgins: 12-33
With Hudgins: 27-15

Pulley:
4 seasons before Pulley: 22-24
with Pulley: 25-15

Edwards:
4 seasons before Edwards: 33-16 with 1 national championship
with Edwards:44-8 with 2 national championships

[biggie]

So, then, what is the award awarding? The best? The perceived best? The best given the circumstances?

A case could certainly be made that there are other players, on worse teams, making a larger contribution given their team makeup than Edwards is, if that is the case. Again, for sake of argument only.
Think you kind of hit the nail, its public (voters) perception. Good team, winning, and a player that is a large part of that. The major news getters (probably most top 10-15 teams) have an advantage due to press coverage, what little that is, is more than the rest of FCS.

[AppAlum2003]

So, then, what is the award awarding? The best? The perceived best? The best given the circumstances?

A case could certainly be made that there are other players, on worse teams, making a larger contribution given their team makeup than Edwards is, if that is the case. Again, for sake of argument only.

If you started a college football team today - completely blank slate - and could pick ANY offensive player in FCS, regardless of age, system, etc.... who would you pick? There is NO doubt in my mind I would choose AE. Am I a homer? You bet. Am I probably right anyway? xnodx

[Skjellyfetti]

So, then, what is the award awarding? The best? The perceived best? The best given the circumstances?

I'd say it's the best offensive player. And stats are certainly a part of that...but, I don't think the award should be simply given to the person with the best stats... And, the Payton voters don't vote that way. As I said before... Randolph put up ridiculous stats last year... is slightly behind pace to put up the same numbers... and he finished 9th.

Ideally the voters would watch the top candidates play all of their games... but, at our level of football that's hard to do. And highlight footage (especially footage from every game) is helpful to get a picture of what the candidates have done over the course of the year.


A case could certainly be made that there are other players, on worse teams, making a larger contribution given their team makeup than Edwards is, if that is the case. Again, for sake of argument only.

That's more of an MVP award. The Payton isn't described that way on their site... it's described as "most outstanding offensive player." Some voters (like TexasTerror) seem to vote that way, however. So... it's really just how the voters tend to vote, unfortunately. That diminishes Hudgins chances of winning, unfortunately, since they tend not to vote for WR's. It may diminish Armanti's chances since noone has ever won two Paytons... Who knows though.

[gophoenix]

I'd say it's the best offensive player. And stats are certainly a part of that...but, I don't think the award should be simply given to the person with the best stats... And, the Payton voters don't vote that way. As I said before... Randolph put up ridiculous stats last year... is slightly behind pace to put up the same numbers... and he finished 9th.

Ideally the voters would watch the top candidates play all of their games... but, at our level of football that's hard to do. And highlight footage (especially footage from every game) is helpful to get a picture of what the candidates have done over the course of the year.



That's more of an MVP award. The Payton isn't described that way on their site... it's described as "most outstanding offensive player." Some voters (like TexasTerror) seem to vote that way, however. So... it's really just how the voters tend to vote, unfortunately. That diminishes Hudgins chances of winning, unfortunately, since they tend not to vote for WR's. It may diminish Armanti's chances since noone has ever won two Paytons... Who knows though.

Hudgins never had a chance, and I knew that. Any other year, he might have a chance given all Jerry's Rice's records that he has or will break. But a receiver will never have the numbers a RB or QB will have, heck, most outstanding full backs won't have those numbers either. Is it fair? I think so. Hudgins is a great player, but to be a receiver means you are dependent on another player to get you that ball. His highlight reel is crazy with acrobatic stuff like Edwards and a few others.

Which is why I was merely asking, I think Edwards is that good. but Edwards also has a cast around him that wins championships. So, is it more impressive to see what some of these other guys have done without a good cast around them?

[Skjellyfetti]

Hudgins never had a chance, and I knew that. Any other year, he might have a chance given all Jerry's Rice's records that he has or will break. But a receiver will never have the numbers a RB or QB will have, heck, most outstanding full backs won't have those numbers either. Is it fair? I think so. Hudgins is a great player, but to be a receiver means you are dependent on another player to get you that ball. His highlight reel is crazy with acrobatic stuff like Edwards and a few others.

Which is why I was merely asking, I think Edwards is that good. but Edwards also has a cast around him that wins championships. So, is it more impressive to see what some of these other guys have done without a good cast around them?

I don't know... that's very, very subjective and probably depends on the individual voter. But, as a whole... Payton award voters DON'T vote like that.

2008:
Armanti Edwards: 2902 yards passing, 30 TD's, 9 INT's
Dominic Randolph: 3838 yards passing, 34 TD's, 17 INT's

Armanti won it. Dominic finished 9th.
Armanti received 52 first place votes. Dominic received 2.

You can argue the Payton should be more of an "MVP" award.... but, the fact is... at this time... it's not and (most) voters don't vote that way.

[AshevilleApp]

I don't know... that's very, very subjective and probably depends on the individual voter. But, as a whole... Payton award voters DON'T vote like that.

2008:
Armanti Edwards: 2902 yards passing, 30 TD's, 9 INT's
Dominic Randolph: 3838 yards passing, 34 TD's, 17 INT's

Armanti won it. Dominic finished 9th.
Armanti received 52 first place votes. Dominic received 2.

You can argue the Payton should be more of an "MVP" award.... but, the fact is... at this time... it's not and (most) voters don't vote that way.


Add Armanti's 941 rushing yards and 11 TDs to that total and it was a no brainer

2008:
Edwards - 3841 yards, 41 TDs
Randolph - 3903 yards, 38 TDs

[Skjellyfetti]

Not a no brainer to people that think it should go to the guy with the most total yards at the end of the season.

[gophoenix]

I don't know... that's very, very subjective and probably depends on the individual voter. But, as a whole... Payton award voters DON'T vote like that.

2008:
Armanti Edwards: 2902 yards passing, 30 TD's, 9 INT's
Dominic Randolph: 3838 yards passing, 34 TD's, 17 INT's

Armanti won it. Dominic finished 9th.
Armanti received 52 first place votes. Dominic received 2.

You can argue the Payton should be more of an "MVP" award.... but, the fact is... at this time... it's not and (most) voters don't vote that way.

But Edwards had rushing yards and TDs too, right? So isn't that only half the story, or maybe 3/4 of the story?

[crusader11]

Add Armanti's 941 rushing yards and 11 TDs to that total and it was a no brainer

2008:
Edwards - 3841 yards, 41 TDs
Randolph - 3903 yards, 38 TDs

You have to take into account that App St. played 14 games that year while HC only played 11. Playing in 3 more games for Randolph could have resulted in 10 more touchdowns.

[Skjellyfetti]

And, the point remains that he finished 9th. Only received 2 first place votes. What would make this year different?

[AppAlum2003]

You have to take into account that App St. played 14 games that year while HC only played 11. Playing in 3 more games for Randolph could have resulted in 10 more touchdowns.

Voting for the Payton Award ends before the playoffs start, IIRC. However, please everyone don't Neg Rep me if I'm wrong.

[elonfan06]

Think you kind of hit the nail, its public (voters) perception. Good team, winning, and a player that is a large part of that. The major news getters (probably most top 10-15 teams) have an advantage due to press coverage, what little that is, is more than the rest of FCS.

"So, then, what is the award awarding? The best? The perceived best? The best given the circumstances?"

So the Payton is the Heisman of the FCS, correct? In that case take a look at the current Heisman race and there are a lot of similarities. The teams that are winning (Alabama, Florida, Texas) have the top rated Heisman candidates (all being QB's as well). But then you have a player like CJ Spiller at Clemson who is on a decent at best team who is putting up great numbers but isn't really in contention.

Much like the FCS. You have AE that, even though I don't want to say it, has to be the favorite. Hudgins is a close second with Chase Reynolds and Dom Randolph behind these two. There are more that are being looked at but voters (in both leagues) look at winning teams. Additionally, while I think that these awards should look at the current season and not the history voters do exactly that, look at the history. Hudgins is putting up consistently big numbers even when more focus is being put on him by D's but AE is a dual threat with his arm and legs (putting up large numbers as well). It may really come down to Nov. 14 to see who has a bigger game.

[gophoenix]

"So, then, what is the award awarding? The best? The perceived best? The best given the circumstances?"

So the Payton is the Heisman of the FCS, correct? In that case take a look at the current Heisman race and there are a lot of similarities. The teams that are winning (Alabama, Florida, Texas) have the top rated Heisman candidates (all being QB's as well). But then you have a player like CJ Spiller at Clemson who is on a decent at best team who is putting up great numbers but isn't really in contention.

Much like the FCS. You have AE that, even though I don't want to say it, has to be the favorite. Hudgins is a close second with Chase Reynolds and Dom Randolph behind these two. There are more that are being looked at but voters (in both leagues) look at winning teams. Additionally, while I think that these awards should look at the current season and not the history voters do exactly that, look at the history. Hudgins is putting up consistently big numbers even when more focus is being put on him by D's but AE is a dual threat with his arm and legs (putting up large numbers as well). It may really come down to Nov. 14 to see who has a bigger game.

I don't see Nov 14th entering into it. AE has better numbers, end of story. you can shut down a WR easy with athletic DBs. You could lose the game and still keep hudgins at 0 yards (heck, interfere him the whole time). AE on the other hand can pass to anyone, run or pitch it. It takes a team to defend because as a QB, the team creates the opportunity.

WR or QB is just a completely different game, comparing the two for one award is pretty far fetched, which is why I think Hudgins is farther down in the voting than you think.

[AppAlum2003]

OK....

Regular season is over so voting for the Payton should be over. Why are we not talking about this?

Did Armanti Edwards sitting out the WCU game hurt his chances? Are Dominic Randolph's numbers enough to put him over the top?

[Saint3333]

By average game AE is the winner, but the EWU QB put up some strong numbers and a healthy TD/INT ratio. A lot of the other QB had high TDs, but also high INTs.

I'd say it's between AE and EWU's QB and SIU's RB and Hudgins finishing third and fourth, not necessarily in that order.

[andy7171]

Hudgins and Armanti have to be on the short list.

Agreed.

[AppAlum2003]

Agreed.

Better than being on the short bus.

[Killsback]

Deji Karim's seasonhas been phenomenal. He wasn't supposed to be the starter this year and ends up leading the nation in total rushing yards with 1512..second in ypg with 137.5, 3rd in all purpose yards, tied for third in td's, 1st in Kickoff return ave., and tied for 8th in scoring!

[whoanellie]

Terrell would just have to get an award named for himself..... He has broken Jerry Rice's records. The Mt. Everest of statistical football records.
A product of a system?
statistically at his position he stands alone. in every category.
For over 4 years He has been a focal point of every defensive coordinators game plan, every single game plan he has amazed and befuddled his opposition.
A go to guy! A glue guy! A unique year.
Taking nothing away from any others consider Terrell.

[AppAlum2003]

Terrell would just have to get an award named for himself..... He has broken Jerry Rice's records. The Mt. Everest of statistical football records.
A product of a system?
statistically at his position he stands alone. in every category.
For over 4 years He has been a focal point of every defensive coordinators game plan, every single game plan he has amazed and befuddled his opposition.
A go to guy! A glue guy! A unique year.
Taking nothing away from any others consider Terrell.

Just like the Heisman, the Payton "traditionally" seems to go to RB and QB. I agree that Hudgins should get SERIOUS consideration, but IMHO a WR is not going to win it.

[HiHiYikas]

ASU's DaVon Fowlkes, a receiver, finished a distant third behind a couple of QBs back in 2004. Before Armanti, he was the closest a Mountaineer had ever gotten to winning the award.

That may be the highest a receiver has finished in a while. I'm not sure. You can view vote totals over at Sportsnetwork. I can't always recall positions just by seeing the names, but it looks to me like a lot of QBs and RBs.

David Ball only finished 5th in 2005, and that's when he broke Jerry Rice's receiving TD record. Ball finished his career about 50 yards short of Rice's yardage record, and 3 games shy of his 100-yard games record.

[Skjellyfetti]

Villanova wide receiver won it in 1997.

I think Armanti, Nichols, and Karim would be the finalists.

[gophoenix]

Just like the Heisman, the Payton "traditionally" seems to go to RB and QB. I agree that Hudgins should get SERIOUS consideration, but IMHO a WR is not going to win it.

No way, because the problem with a WR is that his numbers are going to be as good as the QB at minimum.

[whoanellie]

Just like the Heisman, the Payton "traditionally" seems to go to RB and QB. I agree that Hudgins should get SERIOUS consideration, but IMHO a WR is not going to win it.

I am glad you are not a voter. The Stats and body of work justify the consideration....
Don't just say "traditionally" because it is a milestone career. A highlight film of 380+ receptions 5,000 plus receiving and 51 TD's might end up like war and peace.
He's just not YOUR guy!!!

[HiHiYikas]

Brian Finnertan, Nova, 1997 - 96 catches, 1389 receiving yards, 19 Rec TDs - won Payton

DaVon Fowlkes, ASU, 2004 - 103 catches, 1618 receiving yards, 14 Rec TDs (+2 on returns) - third place

David Ball, UNH, 2005 - 87 catches, 1551 receiving yards, 24 Rec Tds - seventh place

David Ball, UNH, 2006 - 92 catches, 1105 receiving yards, 13 Rec Tds - fifth place (his QB won)

Terrell Hudgins, Elon, 2009 - 111 catches, 1466 receiving yards, 15 Rec TDs - ?????

Seems like Hudgins should easily finish in the top 5, probably in the top 3. I would be surprised if he won, not because he's not a deserving player, but because outstanding receivers tend not to win the Payton award.

Then again, nobody ever wins three national championships in a row, either. Surprising things happen in sports.

[AppAlum2003]

I am glad you are not a voter. The Stats and body of work justify the consideration....
Don't just say "traditionally" because it is a milestone career. A highlight film of 380+ receptions 5,000 plus receiving and 51 TD's might end up like war and peace.
He's just not YOUR guy!!!

Dude, read the stats HiHiYikas posted in this same thread... the Payton does not normally go to a WR. David Ball, DeVon Fowlkes, etc. Am I saying that Hudgins CAN'T win it? Not at all. Would I be surprised if he did? Yes.

I'm just being a realist and you're being a homer. xnodx

[wapiti]

Winner is Nichols of EWU
Runner up is Deji Karim of SIU
3rd is Edwards of ASU

[Cocky]

RP should win it but won't because of his rep.

[phoenixphanatic21]

Brian Finnertan, Nova, 1997 - 96 catches, 1389 receiving yards, 19 Rec TDs - won Payton

DaVon Fowlkes, ASU, 2004 - 103 catches, 1618 receiving yards, 14 Rec TDs (+2 on returns) - third place

David Ball, UNH, 2005 - 87 catches, 1551 receiving yards, 24 Rec Tds - seventh place

David Ball, UNH, 2006 - 92 catches, 1105 receiving yards, 13 Rec Tds - fifth place (his QB won)

Terrell Hudgins, Elon, 2009 - 111 catches, 1466 receiving yards, 15 Rec TDs - ?????

Seems like Hudgins should easily finish in the top 5, probably in the top 3. I would be surprised if he won, not because he's not a deserving player, but because outstanding receivers tend not to win the Payton award.

Then again, nobody ever wins three national championships in a row, either. Surprising things happen in sports.

How does a guy get 24 receiving TDs and NOT win the award? That's ridiculous.

[WrenFGun]

How does a guy get 24 receiving TDs and NOT win the award? That's ridiculous.

The evidence for UNH Bias is strong in FCS World. :)

In all seriousness, Ball didn't win because I think Santos canceled him out. The guy was the most dominant, unstoppable receiver I've seen at the FCS level. If the ball was even near him, he'd catch it. Haven't seen Hudgins, but I presume he is similar.

[phoenixphanatic21]

The evidence for UNH Bias is strong in FCS World. :)

In all seriousness, Ball didn't win because I think Santos canceled him out. The guy was the most dominant, unstoppable receiver I've seen at the FCS level. If the ball was even near him, he'd catch it. Haven't seen Hudgins, but I presume he is similar.

Yea, Hudgins is just like that. Only player I've ever seen singlehandedly win a few seperate football games. And ok, that makes sense as for why he didn't win it. Tell me he at least finished top 3 that year.

[Geaux25]

Homer vote for the nation's leading scorer Toddrick Pendland from McNeese State

[Houndawg]

The FCS rushing leader taking the #1 team to the #3 seed (thanks for the hose job, selection committee corksoakers) in the playoffs has to be a very strong contender.

[HiHiYikas]

How does a guy get 24 receiving TDs and NOT win the award? That's ridiculous.
Well, if that and the fact that 22 Paytons have been awarded and only one went to a receiver doesn't tell you that receivers don't win the Payton, I don't know what else to say.

You also have to look at the competition. That season, EWU QB Eric Meyer had over 4,000 yards 30 passing TDs, with a QB rating around 170 for the season. He won the award.

Not to mention there's more to the award than numbers alone. If it were simply a matter of handing it over to a statistical champion, Grambling's Bruce Eugene would have 2 or 3 Paytons and San Diego's Josh Johnson would have one of his own. Those guys put up insane passing numbers.

[whoanellie]

Well, if that and the fact that 22 Paytons have been awarded and only one went to a receiver doesn't tell you that receivers don't win the Payton, I don't know what else to say.

You also have to look at the competition. That season, EWU QB Eric Meyer had over 4,000 yards 30 passing TDs, with a QB rating around 170 for the season. He won the award.

Not to mention there's more to the award than numbers alone. If it were simply a matter of handing it over to a statistical champion, Grambling's Bruce Eugene would have 2 or 3 Paytons and San Diego's Josh Johnson would have one of his own. Those guys put up insane passing numbers.

you have to acknowledge or consider Terrell Hudgins book of work....
taking nothing away from others he is deserving...

[PhoenixPhan]

It's too bad that this award asks the committee to compare players in incomparable positions...

If a QB broke 4 records, including 2 previously held by one of the best players in college and NFL history, he would be a shoo-in for the Payton. Same for a RB. But because of tradition, the same can't be said for a WR.

I do recognize the great players that Nichols, Edwards, and Karim are...I just wish that Hudgins weren't being largely counted out because he's a receiver.

[HiHiYikas]

you have to acknowledge or consider Terrell Hudgins book of work....
taking nothing away from others he is deserving...
I have, that's why I'm comparing him to David Ball. Both were/are amazing receivers. Both broke records held by Jerry Rice. Both wrapped up their careers among the all-time statistical leaders at the receiver position. Both were multiple-time Payton finalists.

Hudgins had more yards. Ball had more TDs. Hudgins had more catches. Hudgins had 2 or 3 more 100-yard games. Ball was the biggest receiving threat for a consistent top-15 team that won conference titles and went to the playoffs every year.

The bodies of work are comparable. Maybe Hudgins will benefit from the fact that his QB isn't a finalist. But Ball, who's a 9.9 if Hudgins is a 10, never finished higher than fifth place in Payton balloting.

It's too bad that this award asks the committee to compare players in incomparable positions...

If a QB broke 4 records, including 2 previously held by one of the best players in college and NFL history, he would be a shoo-in for the Payton. Same for a RB. But because of tradition, the same can't be said for a WR.
Welcome to the party - fans of outstanding WRs have been saying this for years. And everybody thinks their guy is different.

It's not like this is out of the ordinary. It's the same story at every level of football. Pro football players have been winning POTY/MVP awards since the 1930's, and all but about 5 of those awards have gone to QB's and RB's. Same story with the Heisman - handed out since the 30's, only about 4 WR's have won it.

I wouldn't say Hudgins won't win it, much like I wouldn't say a team can't three-peat as national champs or a small private school can't win it all. I will say it's clear that history isn't on Hudgins' side.