At-Large Playoff Elimination & Eligibility - Week 8

[SumItUp]

After the eighth week of play, 3 teams have won 7 D1 games and 52of the 107 FCS teams still have an opportunity to reach 7 wins against D1 opponents. Nine teams were eliminated this week with a loss. The bubble teams that cannot afford another loss is at 21. To view a list of wins/losses, D1 wins, and D1 games remaining for each of the FCS teams, go to FCS Won-Loss through Week 8 (10/24/2009) (http://bit.ly/2m2Mfk).

Elimination Bubble (21) - Bucknell, Cal Poly, Citadel, Coastal Carolina, Fordham, Gardner Webb, Georgia Southern, Hampton, Hofstra, Illinois State, Jacksonville, Monmouth, Montana State, North Carolina A&T, Old Dominion, Stony Brook, Tennessee State, Tennessee Tech, Texas State, UC Davis, Wagner

Eliminated by Week 4 (2) - Indiana State, Savannah State
Eliminated in Week 5 (9) - Austin Peay, Georgetown, Idaho State, Northeastern, Portland State, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, Southeast Missouri State, Western Carolina
Eliminated in Week 6 (9) - Campbell, Morehead State, Murray State, Northern Colorado, North Dakota State, Northwestern State, St. Francis, Tennessee-Martin, Valparaiso
Eliminated in Week 7 (13) - Charleston Southern, Davidson, Delaware State, Duquesne, Lehigh, Maine, Nicholls State, Rhode Island, Samford, Southern Utah, Virginia Military Institute, Western Illinois, Wofford
Eliminated in Week 8 (9) - Bethune-Cookman, Howard, James Madison, Norfolk State, Sacramento State, Sam Houston State, San Diego, Southeastern Louisiana, Towson

Ineligible (10) - Bryant, Central Arkansas, Chattanooga, Eastern Washington, Jacksonville State, North Carolina Central, North Dakota, Presbyterian, South Dakota, Winston-Salem

[SumItUp]

This is the remaining schedule for each of the teams that are mathematically able to reach 7 D1 wins. Colgate, Richmond and Villanova have already reached 7 D1 wins. Numbers in parentheses are the number of games the team can lose and still reach 7 D1 wins.

(0) Montana State Week 9 - Idaho State, Week 10 - at Portland State, Week 11 - Sacramento State, Week 12 - Montana
(0) Coastal Carolina Week 9 - at Clemson, Week 10 - Gardner Webb, Week 11 - Presbyterian, Week 12 - at Charleston Southern
(0) Gardner-Webb Week 9 - Stony Brook, Week 10 - at Coastal Carolina, Week 11 - Liberty, Week 12 - at Presbyterian
(0) Stony Brook Week 9 - at Gardner Webb, Week 10 - OPEN, Week 11 - at Charleston Southern, Week 12 - Liberty
(0) Hofstra Week 9 - OPEN, Week 10 - at Delaware, Week 11 - at Northeastern, Week 12 - Massachusetts
(0) Cal Poly Week 9 - at North Dakota, Week 10 - at UC Davis, Week 11 - South Dakota, Week 12 - at Weber State
(0) UC Davis Week 9 - at Southern Utah, Week 10 - Cal Poly, Week 11 - North Dakota, Week 12 - at Sacramento State
(0) Hampton Week 9 - at Winston-Salem, Week 10 - at Bethune-Cookman, Week 11 - Florida A&M, Week 12 - Morgan State
(0) North Carolina A&T Week 9 - Bethune-Cookman, Week 10 - at Florida A&M, Week 11 - OPEN, Week 12 - at South Carolina State
(0) Illinois State Week 9 - at Missouri State, Week 10 - Western Illinois, Week 11 - at Youngstown State, Week 12 - Northern Iowa
(0) Monmouth Week 9 - Bryant, Week 10 - at St. Francis (PA), Week 11 - at Central Connecticut State, Week 12 - Robert Morris
(0) Wagner Week 9 - at Duquesne, Week 10 - Central Connecticut State, Week 11 - at Robert Morris, Week 12 - Albany
(0) Tennessee State Week 9 - at Tennessee Tech, Week 10 - Tennessee-Martin, Week 11 - at Austin Peay, Week 12 - at Eastern Illinois
(0) Tennessee Tech Week 9 - Tennessee State, Week 10 - at Georgia, Week 11 - at Jacksonville State, Week 12 - Murray State
(0) Bucknell Week 9 - at Lafayette, Week 10 - at Fordham, Week 11 - at Colgate, Week 12 - Holy Cross
(0) Fordham Week 9 - Holy Cross, Week 10 - Bucknell, Week 11 - Lehigh, Week 12 - at Georgetown
(0) Jacksonville Week 9 - at Drake, Week 10 - Valparaiso, Week 11 - Butler, Week 12 - at Campbell
(0) Citadel Week 9 - Samford, Week 10 - Wofford, Week 11 - at Chattanooga, Week 12 - at Georgia Southern
(0) Georgia Southern Week 9 - OPEN, Week 10 - at Samford, Week 11 - Furman, Week 12 - Citadel
(0) Texas State Week 9 - Stephen F. Austin, Week 10 - at Central Arkansas, Week 11 - McNeese State, Week 12 - Sam Houston State
(0) Old Dominion Week 9 - Georgetown, Week 10 - North Carolina Central, Week 11 - OPEN, Week 12 - at VMI
(1) Weber State Week 9 - at Montana, Week 10 - OPEN, Week 11 - Northern Arizona, Week 12 - Cal Poly
(1) Liberty Week 9 - Presbyterian, Week 10 - VMI, Week 11 - at Gardner Webb, Week 12 - at Stony Brook
(1) Massachusetts Week 9 - at Maine, Week 10 - Northeastern, Week 11 - James Madison, Week 12 - at Hofstra
(1) Delaware Week 9 - James Madison, Week 10 - Hofstra, Week 11 - at Navy, Week 12 - at Villanova
(1) Northern Iowa Week 9 - OPEN, Week 10 - Youngstown State, Week 11 - Western Illinois, Week 12 - at Illinois State
(1) Youngstown State Week 9 - South Dakota State, Week 10 - at Northern Iowa, Week 11 - Illinois State, Week 12 - at North Dakota State
(1) Missouri State Week 9 - Illinois State, Week 10 - Indiana State, Week 11 - at Southern Illinois, Week 12 - OPEN
(1) Eastern Kentucky Week 9 - Southeast Missouri State, Week 10 - at Kentucky, Week 11 - Western Carolina, Week 12 - at Jacksonville State
(1) Drake Week 9 - Jacksonville, Week 10 - Campbell, Week 11 - Dayton, Week 12 - at Butler
(1) Butler Week 9 - Davidson, Week 10 - at Dayton, Week 11 - at Jacksonville , Week 12 - Drake
(1) Marist Week 9 - Valparaiso, Week 10 - Georgetown, Week 11 - at Davidson, Week 12 - at Dayton
(1) Furman Week 9 - Appalachian State, Week 10 - at Auburn, Week 11 - at Georgia Southern, Week 12 - Wofford
(1) McNeese State Week 9 - at Nicholls State, Week 10 - Sam Houston State, Week 11 - at Texas State, Week 12 - Central Arkansas
(2) Northern Arizona Week 9 - at Sacramento State, Week 10 - at Mississippi, Week 11 - at Weber State, Week 12 - Eastern Washington
(2) Florida A&M Week 9 - at Morgan State, Week 10 - North Carolina A&T, Week 11 - at Hampton, Week 12 - Bethune-Cookman
(2) Morgan State Week 9 - Florida A&M, Week 10 - Norfolk State, Week 11 - at South Carolina State, Week 12 - at Hampton
(2) Southern Illinois Week 9 - at Indiana State, Week 10 - at South Dakota State, Week 11 - Missouri State, Week 12 - at Southeast Missouri State
(2) Albany Week 9 - at Central Connecticut State, Week 10 - Robert Morris, Week 11 - OPEN, Week 12 - at Wagner
(2) Eastern Illinois Week 9 - at Murray State, Week 10 - OPEN, Week 11 - Tennessee-Martin, Week 12 - Tennessee State
(2) Appalachian State Week 9 - at Furman, Week 10 - Chattanooga, Week 11 - at Elon, Week 12 - Western Carolina
(2) Stephen F. Austin Week 9 - at Texas State, Week 10 - Nicholls State, Week 11 - at Southeastern Louisiana, Week 12 - at Northwestern State
(3) Montana Week 9 - Weber State, Week 10 - at Idaho State, Week 11 - Northern Colorado, Week 12 - at Montana State
(3) New Hampshire Week 9 - Northeastern, Week 10 - Rhode Island, Week 11 - at William & Mary, Week 12 - Maine
(3) William & Mary Week 9 - at Rhode Island, Week 10 - Towson, Week 11 - New Hampshire, Week 12 - at Richmond
(3) South Carolina State Week 9 - Delaware State, Week 10 - at Howard, Week 11 - Morgan State, Week 12 - North Carolina A&T
(3) South Dakota State Week 9 - at Youngstown State, Week 10 - Southern Illinois, Week 11 - at Minnesota, Week 12 - at Western Illinois
(3) Central Connecticut State Week 9 - Albany, Week 10 - at Wagner, Week 11 - Monmouth, Week 12 - at St. Francis (PA)
(3) Holy Cross Week 9 - at Fordham, Week 10 - at Lehigh, Week 11 - Lafayette, Week 12 - at Bucknell
(3) Lafayette Week 9 - Bucknell, Week 10 - Colgate, Week 11 - at Holy Cross, Week 12 - at Lehigh
(3) Dayton Week 9 - San Diego, Week 10 - Butler, Week 11 - at Drake, Week 12 - Marist
(3) Elon Week 9 - at Wofford, Week 10 - at Western Carolina, Week 11 - Appalachian State, Week 12 - at Samford

[TexasTerror]

While I know this for the SLC with TXST - which of these teams with zero room for error, by winning out, would just end up with the AQ...? Meaning they are eliminated outside of winning the AQ...?

Actually - someone brought up on BobcatFans that if SLU wins out and TXST wins out, they'd be the same record with the Lions having the advantage. SLU still has games vs SFA and UCA. TXST still has McN, UCA and SFA!

[El Gato]

While I know this for the SLC with TXST - which of these teams with zero room for error, by winning out, would just end up with the AQ...? Meaning they are eliminated outside of winning the AQ...?

Actually - someone brought up on BobcatFans that if SLU wins out and TXST wins out, they'd be the same record with the Lions having the advantage. SLU still has games vs SFA and UCA. TXST still has McN, UCA and SFA!

I actually had brought this up on AGS earlier today:
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65326&page=2

This is why it so important for SELA to lose last night, and then suffer another loss which is most likely to occur against either SFA or UCA. That would put them at 5-2 in SLC play. Then quite clearly, Texas State must win out including games against SFA, McNeese, and UCA, and the Bobcats could either be tied with SFA at 6-1 in SLC play (in which case the Cats win the head to head tiebreaker) or just win it outright if SFA dropped another game.

[blukeys]

Sum it up, You have certainly done a lot of work. However, Your assumption that a team lacking 7 D-1 wins will automatically be eliminated from playoff consideration is not accurate. The actual language from the NCAA handbook is this.

"3. The won-lost record of a team may be scrutinized to determine a team's strength of schedule; however, less than 7 Divisiion 1 wins MAY place a team in jeopardy of not being selected."

Similar language has been in place when the stipulation was that "more than 3 losses MAY place a team in jeopardy [/B]of not being selected."

The selection committee has always made it clear that both of these numercal criteria were guidelines and not hard and fast rules.

[ToTheLeft]

They're not going to take a 6 win team. There is no way you could have a resume of 6 DI wins that is worthy of playoff selection...

[blukeys]

They're not going to take a 6 win team. There is no way you could have a resume of 6 DI wins that is worthy of playoff selection...

AND you know this because of what? Your intimate knowledge of the processes of the NCAA Selection Committee?

The language is there for a reason and that is to allow the Committee the choices they want to make.

How about this: A CAA team with a 7-4 record that currently has the toughest schedule in the nation with wins over Umass, Villanova, and Navy. It also has a 1 point loss to the #1 team in the nation and the defending NC. Half of their FCS opponents were ranked in the top 15 at the time they played them.

[Fear the Bird]

I have been wondering this for a few weeks now - is it really the mortal lock everyone is making it out to be that if Delaware goes 7-4, they cannot make the playoffs?

Granted, I think they should win 1 of their 4 brutal games on the schedule to be considered one of the top 16 in the country, but we are potentially talking about losses to 3 of the top 7 teams in the country (2 on the road) and one to an FBS school.

[seattlespider]

Sum it up, You have certainly done a lot of work. However, Your assumption that a team lacking 7 D-1 wins will automatically be eliminated from playoff consideration is not accurate. The actual language from the NCAA handbook is this.

"3. The won-lost record of a team may be scrutinized to determine a team's strength of schedule; however, less than 7 Divisiion 1 wins MAY place a team in jeopardy of not being selected."

Similar language has been in place when the stipulation was that "more than 3 losses MAY place a team in jeopardy [/B]of not being selected."

The selection committee has always made it clear that both of these numercal criteria were guidelines and not hard and fast rules.

Blukeys, this was discussed in an earlier thread. We all know that the rule is essentially a guideline, and in theory, a 6 win team could make the playoffs. This discussion presumes, however, that based on precedent, 7 (D1) wins is required to get in.

[igo4uni]

I have been wondering this for a few weeks now - is it really the mortal lock everyone is making it out to be that if Delaware goes 7-4, they cannot make the playoffs?

Granted, I think they should win 1 of their 4 brutal games on the schedule to be considered one of the top 16 in the country, but we are potentially talking about losses to 3 of the top 7 teams in the country (2 on the road) and one to an FBS school.

4 losses is playoff death.

[ToTheLeft]

AND you know this because of what? Your intimate knowledge of the processes of the NCAA Selection Committee?

The language is there for a reason and that is to allow the Committee the choices they want to make.

How about this: A CAA team with a 7-4 record that currently has the toughest schedule in the nation with wins over Umass, Villanova, and Navy. It also has a 1 point loss to the #1 team in the nation and the defending NC. Half of their FCS opponents were ranked in the top 15 at the time they played them.

If UD beats Umass, Nova, and Navy, they have 8 wins DI, and would be in. So I am not sure what your argument is.

And losing to someone by one point means little, if nothing. Regardless of who it is. Do you think UNI should get in for losing by one point to Iowa?

Half of their opponents were ranked... awesome. Aren't half of Towson's opponents ranked, too? The point is, you have to win against DI teams. Play Robert Morris or Monmouth instead of West Chester and you'd be squarely in the discussion right now.

Pull an upset in Annapolis or Philly, and you're in. Assuming there is no collapse against JMU or Hofstra...

However, if there are no upsets, UD would be 6-4 in the eyes of the committee with the only quality win being a home win over a UMass team that will be on the bubble themselves. It's about as good as Liberty's win over Elon last year in terms of quality. It's not a ticket it, but it doesn't hurt either.

You can't expect to get in because you lose well. Win, and you're in. The thing people love about FCS is you prove your worth by winning and making it to Chatty. Don't expect to "lose well" and make it in a division that rewards winning.

[blukeys]

If UD beats Umass, Nova, and Navy, they have 8 wins DI, and would be in. So I am not sure what your argument is.

And losing to someone by one point means little, if nothing. Regardless of who it is. Do you think UNI should get in for losing by one point to Iowa?

Half of their opponents were ranked... awesome. Aren't half of Towson's opponents ranked, too? The point is, you have to win against DI teams. Play Robert Morris or Monmouth instead of West Chester and you'd be squarely in the discussion right now.

Pull an upset in Annapolis or Philly, and you're in. Assuming there is no collapse against JMU or Hofstra...

However, if there are no upsets, UD would be 6-4 in the eyes of the committee with the only quality win being a home win over a UMass team that will be on the bubble themselves. It's about as good as Liberty's win over Elon last year in terms of quality. It's not a ticket it, but it doesn't hurt either.

You can't expect to get in because you lose well. Win, and you're in. The thing people love about FCS is you prove your worth by winning and making it to Chatty. Don't expect to "lose well" and make it in a division that rewards winning.


You must be in some lame conference where one assumes a win without actually getting it. Delaware could lose to Hofstra and JMU and still beat Nova and Navy.
This happens all the time in the CAA and I don't assume that any win is in the W column until the clock says 0:00.

The selection committee understands the quality of the CAA even if Big South fans do not.

Show me where I got the language wrong. The language is there for a reason. By the way your team can get an auto invite if it beats another team from an auto bid conference and gets 8 D-1 wins. Have you actually read the rules???

That should be a requirement before one says that anyone is "officially eliminated".

[JMUNJ08]

You must be in some lame conference where one assumes a win without actually getting it. Delaware could lose to Hofstra and JMU and still beat Nova and Navy.
This happens all the time in the CAA and I don't assume that any win is in the W column until the clock says 0:00.

The selection committee understands the quality of the CAA even if Big South fans do not.

Show me where I got the language wrong. The language is there for a reason. By the way your team can get an auto invite if it beats another team from an auto bid conference and gets 8 D-1 wins. Have you actually read the rules???

That should be a requirement before one says that anyone is "officially eliminated".

But going 2-2 like you said leaves you on the couch watching like JMU will be

[ToTheLeft]

You must be in some lame conference where one assumes a win without actually getting it. Delaware could lose to Hofstra and JMU and still beat Nova and Navy.
This happens all the time in the CAA and I don't assume that any win is in the W column until the clock says 0:00.

The selection committee understands the quality of the CAA even if Big South fans do not.

Show me where I got the language wrong. The language is there for a reason. By the way your team can get an auto invite if it beats another team from an auto bid conference and gets 8 D-1 wins. Have you actually read the rules???

That should be a requirement before one says that anyone is "officially eliminated".

The team I support and it's affiliations and anything else about it has nothing to do with me having a discussion about FCS football.

I cannot and will not address your slame on the Big South and it's fans.

Also, I have read the rules, and Big South teams cannot, in fact, gain "earned access" through the new rule put in place before last season. That is available only to the NEC, since they are the only conference that meets the criteria, which is a conference with the appropriate number or members for an auto-bid, yet does not receive an auto-bid. The Big South is not officially eligible for an auto-bid (and therefore not eligible for earned access) until 2010, which is when they will receive an auto-bid. LU met all the requirements for earned access last season, and did not make the playoffs. So I think YOU need to take a look at the rules, sir. Undig your head from being buried in the CAA sandbox, and take a look around.

UD won't make the playoffs if they lose to Navy and Nova. Book it, ship it, lock it up. No 6-4 team will make the playoffs. You're a game away from .500. How is that one of the 8 most deserving teams in the nation? It's not, and it won't be. The committee might have left the door open, but it's not a big enough opening for anyone to fit through.

[Schfourteenteen]

You must be in some lame conference where one assumes a win without actually getting it. Delaware could lose to Hofstra and JMU and still beat Nova and Navy.

Doing that will keep you out of the playoffs.

[theasushow]

hmm i think there is a chance (though very slight) that The Citadel could win those last 4 games. Especially if they play the way they did against Furman.

[tribe_pride]

7-4 with 1 of the wins against a D-II is not going to make it. Can I or anyone here say it 100%, no but I would almost be willing to bet the house on it.

[theasushow]

7-4 with 1 of the wins against a D-II is not going to make it. Can I or anyone here say it 100%, no but I would almost be willing to bet the house on it.

correct. 4-5 years ago maybe. now...no chance.

[SumItUp]

Sum it up, You have certainly done a lot of work. However, Your assumption that a team lacking 7 D-1 wins will automatically be eliminated from playoff consideration is not accurate. The actual language from the NCAA handbook is this.

"3. The won-lost record of a team may be scrutinized to determine a team's strength of schedule; however, less than 7 Divisiion 1 wins MAY place a team in jeopardy of not being selected."

Similar language has been in place when the stipulation was that "more than 3 losses MAY place a team in jeopardy [/B]of not being selected."

The selection committee has always made it clear that both of these numercal criteria were guidelines and not hard and fast rules.

I understand that 7 D1 wins is not an absolute necessity to be included in the playoffs, however, this is an exercise that allows each of us to view the information and get a snapshot of what is happening across the country. I think this information is also helpful for those that are filling out their ballots. This year, I do not see any circumstance where a team that does not have 7 D1 wins will receive an at-large bid.

[HensRock]

Blukeys,
NO team has EVER been awarded an At-Large berth with less than 7 Division I wins. Not even Delaware.
I am aware of the wording on the NCAA selection Guidelines. History, however is on SumItUp's side.

[GoBlueHens83]

A 7-4 Delaware team won't make the playoffs, the West Chester game has assured us of that. When does that series end again?

[89Hen]

Granted, I think they should win 1 of their 4 brutal games on the schedule to be considered one of the top 16 in the country, but we are potentially talking about losses to 3 of the top 7 teams in the country (2 on the road) and one to an FBS school.
Nobody to blame. Just win.

[blukeys]

Blukeys,
NO team has EVER been awarded an At-Large berth with less than 7 Division I wins. Not even Delaware.
I am aware of the wording on the NCAA selection Guidelines. History, however is on SumItUp's side.

Sum it up's work is exemplary. My issue was with his wording which implies that the 7 D-1 minimum AUTOMATICALLY excludes teams from the playoffs. This is not what the wording of the NCAA rules state. I was not making a case for Delaware. Like most Hen fans I felt that the rule change from 3 losses to 7 wins necessitated removing WCU from the schedule.

To the Left challenged me to give an instance of a team with fewer than 7 D-1wins being in a position for consideration and I posed the scenario. There are probably other teams out there with some potential for the same.

As for History, prior to 2003 no conference had as many as 4 teams in the playoffs. After that there were many on this board who believed that the 4 team maximum was sancrosanct. Since then that barrier was broken as well. The Selection Committee has had a penchant for giving us surprises and when the language is left open for them to do so, I don't think anything should be left to chance.

[ToTheLeft]

You're right. UD should make it in, so that SCSU has a team to beat in the first round. I am so sick of half of the UD fans, who all laughed when they were ranked preseason, who are now saying at 6-4 they should make the playoffs. Make up your mind, bandwaggoners.

[GannonFan]

Relax - an 8-3 UD team is in the playoffs, a 7-4 UD team is not in the playoffs. It's not that difficult to come to that rationalization.

[ToTheLeft]

Relax - an 8-3 UD team is in the playoffs, a 7-4 UD team is not in the playoffs. It's not that difficult to come to that rationalization.

For some it is easy, for others, not so much. xthumbsupx

[Fear the Bird]

You're right. UD should make it in, so that SCSU has a team to beat in the first round. I am so sick of half of the UD fans, who all laughed when they were ranked preseason, who are now saying at 6-4 they should make the playoffs. Make up your mind, bandwaggoners.

Dude make up your mind - you are on 3-4 different threads acting like you have personal vendetta against UD football then you post an open letter to the AGS community that you are just a Liberty fan who enjoys FCS football.

[elcid83]

AND you know this because of what? Your intimate knowledge of the processes of the NCAA Selection Committee?

The language is there for a reason and that is to allow the Committee the choices they want to make.

How about this: A CAA team with a 7-4 record that currently has the toughest schedule in the nation with wins over Umass, Villanova, and Navy. It also has a 1 point loss to the #1 team in the nation and the defending NC. Half of their FCS opponents were ranked in the top 15 at the time they played them.

Blukeys, you can give up trying to educate Lefty. That flame colored kool-aid has rotted his brain.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs096.snc3/16338_1177417149593_1053041569_30475449_7952249_n. jpg

[ToTheLeft]

Dude make up your mind - you are on 3-4 different threads acting like you have personal vendetta against UD football then you post an open letter to the AGS community that you are just a Liberty fan who enjoys FCS football.

It's the attitude of a handful of Hen fans that just baffles me. I have nothing against UD, just discussing/defending my point, which I stand behind, which is the fact that a 6-4 UD team will not make the playoffs, and should not make the playoffs. Maybe if the Hens treated the W and M or Richmond game like a playoff game and won it, we wouldn't be having this discussion. xcoolx The Hens had their chances, and blew them. Just like LU. And just like about 100 other teams every year.

[ToTheLeft]

Blukeys, you can give up trying to educate Lefty. That flame colored kool-aid has rotted his brain.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs096.snc3/16338_1177417149593_1053041569_30475449_7952249_n. jpg

Nice picture of the field we stormed a couple years ago. xthumbsupx I remember it well.

And this discussion has nothing to do with Liberty. I am discussing UD football. Thanks for trying to add to the discussion tho...

[OLDLCOACH111]

Dude make up your mind - you are on 3-4 different threads acting like you have personal vendetta against UD football then you post an open letter to the AGS community that you are just a Liberty fan who enjoys FCS football.

Don't pay To the left any mind... This guy is a joke.. Some kid who admittedly just become a FCS fan, and now believes he is an expert and every issue.... I really think he has a split personality.... Talks trash to about other teams, and then when he gets a little heat for it, tells a sob story on how he is just a fcs fanxbawlingx... Pathetic

[ToTheLeft]

Don't pay To the left any mind... This guy is a joke.. Some kid who admittedly just become a FCS fan, and now believes he is an expert and every issue.... I really think he has a split personality.... Talks trash to about other teams, and then when he gets a little heat for it, tells a sob story on how he is just a fcs fanxbawlingx... Pathetic

How about you keep your blatant personal attacks to private message, and not violate the TOS of the board and insult me publicly?

Thanks.

[OLDLCOACH111]

How about you keep your blatant personal attacks to private message, and not violate the TOS of the board and insult me publicly?

Thanks.

Since when do you wan't to keep insults private??

[ToTheLeft]

Since when do you wan't to keep insults private??

It's one thing to talk trash about a team or a school. It's another to harass another member of the site.

[SumItUp]

Click to view a chart by conference ( At-Large Playoff Elimination & Eligibility - Week 8 ) (http://bit.ly/3Uhw4E)

[OLDLCOACH111]

It's one thing to talk trash about a team or a school. It's another to harass another member of the site.

Harass?

I just made a comment....

[EagleDawg]

OldCoach - Harass is what we expect the GW linebackers to do to LU's Beecher in a couple of weeks. When Beecher is planted in the turf at Spangler Stadium, hopefully ToTheLeft will understand what real harassment is. Until then, I expect we'll continue to hear that Liberty is doing this, Liberty is doing that, Liberty is invincible, Liberty is spending this much money, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, yadayadayada.

[Redwyn]

If UD beats Umass, Nova, and Navy, they have 8 wins DI, and would be in. So I am not sure what your argument is.

And losing to someone by one point means little, if nothing. Regardless of who it is. Do you think UNI should get in for losing by one point to Iowa?

Half of their opponents were ranked... awesome. Aren't half of Towson's opponents ranked, too? The point is, you have to win against DI teams. Play Robert Morris or Monmouth instead of West Chester and you'd be squarely in the discussion right now.

Pull an upset in Annapolis or Philly, and you're in. Assuming there is no collapse against JMU or Hofstra...

However, if there are no upsets, UD would be 6-4 in the eyes of the committee with the only quality win being a home win over a UMass team that will be on the bubble themselves. It's about as good as Liberty's win over Elon last year in terms of quality. It's not a ticket it, but it doesn't hurt either.

You can't expect to get in because you lose well. Win, and you're in. The thing people love about FCS is you prove your worth by winning and making it to Chatty. Don't expect to "lose well" and make it in a division that rewards winning.

Very well said!

[caribbeanhen]

AND you know this because of what? Your intimate knowledge of the processes of the NCAA Selection Committee?

The language is there for a reason and that is to allow the Committee the choices they want to make.

How about this: A CAA team with a 7-4 record that currently has the toughest schedule in the nation with wins over Umass, Villanova, and Navy. It also has a 1 point loss to the #1 team in the nation and the defending NC. Half of their FCS opponents were ranked in the top 15 at the time they played them.

xbowxxbowxxbowx

[caribbeanhen]

7-4 with 1 of the wins against a D-II is not going to make it. Can I or anyone here say it 100%, no but I would almost be willing to bet the house on it.

yes, but in 2010 we go to 20 team playoffs which should open it up for a 7-4 CAA team with only 6 div 1 wins.... no telling how far they will go

[fltheadgriz]

I know that this would never ever ever fly, but I would love to see from the polls #1 - #20, #2 - #19, etc. or after the play in games the highest seed vs. the lowest seed, etc. from the polls and not form the placement things that they do.

[State Line Liquors]

It's the attitude of a handful of Hen fans that just baffles me. I have nothing against UD, just discussing/defending my point, which I stand behind, which is the fact that a 6-4 UD team will not make the playoffs, and should not make the playoffs. Maybe if the Hens treated the W and M or Richmond game like a playoff game and won it, we wouldn't be having this discussion. xcoolx The Hens had their chances, and blew them. Just like LU. And just like about 100 other teams every year.

You do realize that we are not currently 6-4, right? We have 4 games left to play. The reason you've been drawing everyone's ire has been how incredibly vocal you've been about Delaware going 6-4 and more importantly how you feel us beating Villanova and/or Navy is 'nearly impossible'. Just chill out with the open letters to AGS, and the silly comments about us being/going 6-4 and we'll all relax. Okay?

[tribe_pride]

yes, but in 2010 we go to 20 team playoffs which should open it up for a 7-4 CAA team with only 6 div 1 wins.... no telling how far they will go

Agreed but we are talking about this year. With 4 more spots, the Tribe would have been in last year too. Next year - new bracket, new rules

[ToTheLeft]

You do realize that we are not currently 6-4, right? We have 4 games left to play. The reason you've been drawing everyone's ire has been how incredibly vocal you've been about Delaware going 6-4 and more importantly how you feel us beating Villanova and/or Navy is 'nearly impossible'. Just chill out with the open letters to AGS, and the silly comments about us being/going 6-4 and we'll all relax. Okay?

It's a hypothetical 6-4. I have said and will say that a Blue Hens squad that beats Navy or Nova will be in, and deservedly so. xthumbsupx

The notion was originally brought up that there is wording in the rules that would lead to the inclusion of a 6-4 UD team. Which is my main point.

And I think it's nearly impossible, but that means nothing. I am not a CAA fan, I don't know how the Nova/UD rivalry works. xreadx And so, on paper, to me, I see Nova winning. But that's just me. It's merely opinion and gut feeling. And I have been wrong before. A few times. xrulesx

I didn't mean to start a crapstorm. xpeacex

[ToTheLeft]

Agreed but we are talking about this year. With 4 more spots, the Tribe would have been in last year too. Next year - new bracket, new rules

FWIW, the Tribe should have been in last year in a 16 team field (I am sure you agree). Deserved it more than LU or Maine. Which is a main reason I was high on the Tribe to start off this year... revenge is a female dog.

[MacThor]

You can't expect to get in because you lose well. Win, and you're in. The thing people love about FCS is you prove your worth by winning and making it to Chatty. Don't expect to "lose well" and make it in a division that rewards winning.


FWIW, the Tribe should have been in last year in a 16 team field (I am sure you agree).

Because they lost well?

[ToTheLeft]

Because they lost well?

Both they and Maine lost well... W and M won better, tho. When comparing them head to head, WM beat better teams, including playoff team UNH.

[MacThor]

Both they and Maine lost well... W and M won better, tho. When comparing them head to head, WM beat better teams, including playoff team UNH.

Maine was 8-4, W&M was 7-4. Fair or not, that was the difference.

[Schfourteenteen]

Defer to the not fair. Maine played Iona. And Monmouth. I know what you are saying but it's garbage nonetheless.

[State Line Liquors]

It's a hypothetical 6-4. I have said and will say that a Blue Hens squad that beats Navy or Nova will be in, and deservedly so. xthumbsupx

The notion was originally brought up that there is wording in the rules that would lead to the inclusion of a 6-4 UD team. Which is my main point.

And I think it's nearly impossible, but that means nothing. I am not a CAA fan, I don't know how the Nova/UD rivalry works. xreadx And so, on paper, to me, I see Nova winning. But that's just me. It's merely opinion and gut feeling. And I have been wrong before. A few times. xrulesx

I didn't mean to start a crapstorm. xpeacex

I'm fine with everything said here. Let's move on.

[WMTribe90]

Defer to the not fair. Maine played Iona. And Monmouth. I know what you are saying but it's garbage nonetheless.


Exactly, the extra scrimmage against Iona does not compare to actual win over a ranked playoff participant (UNH). Maine had no quality wins and got waxed by UR, where WM took the Spiders to OT. Maine was selected for political reasons, second north team over a fourth south team in the name of "balance" or "fairness".

No six win team will be selected to the field of 16. I suspect the selection language was intended to apply to a situation where no 7 win teams were available and thus tying the hands of the committee or forcing them to break their own selection criteria.

West Chester game may bite the Blue Hens this year. An 8-3 finish is really a 7-4 finish and puts UD on the bubble. Probably in at 7-3, butit could depend on who else is on the bubble with UD.

[seahawkfan2007]

"So your telling me I still got a chance" Lloyd Christmas