official high school recruiting moan and groan thread

[Reign of Terrier]

No this has nothing to do with College football recruiting.

For those of us who live in SC, we are all aware of the juggernaut known as Byrnes High School's football team. I know there are some out there who are close(er than me) to the team but I have to say this.

My high school's team last weekend lost to Byrnes 60-7 on Friday night and it makes me upset. My High School was SI's number 1 high school program in SC because it currently has won 16 state championships in football and others in other sports. For those of you who don't know, I go to Gaffney high schoolxthumbsupx.

I'm tired of high school teams recruiting players.

Quite frankly it ruins the game. BMW if I'm not mistaken is a sponsor for Byrnes, so basically all Byrnes has to do is find some talent in one of the smaller towns in SC (or somewhere else), call them up, offer Momma and Daddy a job and junior plays football for the Rebels. it may not go down exactly like that but Byrnes still recruits. You may say I'm being a sore loser but I think it's boring that one team every year will be the champ, that's why it ruins it.

It ruins the game because year in and year out there will be a team that contains more talent than a lot of FCS and non-BCS schools, sure every now and again there will be an upset but really everyone else is in for a butt whipping. it's very hard to counter recruiting with recruiting because not every team/ team sponsor can afford to give jobs to new people at the drop of a hat. I find it highly unlikely for any sort of government regulation of this because there is no way to regulate it without violating the rights of the parents, sponsors, and players.

We can all safely say that 15 teams (the rest of the Big 16, here in 4A ball in SC) will have to wait a LONG time before they have a chance at winning State.

What are your thoughts on High school teams recruiting AGS?

[PhoenixSupreme]

I could be wrong but I've always heard the Virginia High School in SW Virginia does the same thing of sorts for all sports. Although my high school did beat theirs for a state baseball title 11 years ago :D

Private schools do it all the time (Oak Hill Academy comes to mind). The kids who have been lifelong residents of the area that go there get relegated to the JV team all 4 years of school, while the varsity team is full of recruited players from around the country.

[Cocky]

High School Recruiting??? It doesn't happen in Alabama

[techstate]

I've heard of it but the schools that win the section camps in San Diego don't take the title.
As far as the state champ of California they trade off, but a public school will sneak in every once and awhile.

[bodoyle]

That happens everywhere. City highschools in Chicago have recruited kids for basketball for years - see King Highschool in the 80's and 90's with Landon Sonny Cox. The catholic schools (Mt Carmel, Bishop McNamara and Providence to name a few) recruit kids for football all the time. That's just a given here.

[813Jag]

No this has nothing to do with College football recruiting.

For those of us who live in SC, we are all aware of the juggernaut known as Byrnes High School's football team. I know there are some out there who are close(er than me) to the team but I have to say this.

My high school's team last weekend lost to Byrnes 60-7 on Friday night and it makes me upset. My High School was SI's number 1 high school program in SC because it currently has won 16 state championships in football and others in other sports. For those of you who don't know, I go to Gaffney high schoolxthumbsupx.

I'm tired of high school teams recruiting players.

Quite frankly it ruins the game. BMW if I'm not mistaken is a sponsor for Byrnes, so basically all Byrnes has to do is find some talent in one of the smaller towns in SC (or somewhere else), call them up, offer Momma and Daddy a job and junior plays football for the Rebels. it may not go down exactly like that but Byrnes still recruits. You may say I'm being a sore loser but I think it's boring that one team every year will be the champ, that's why it ruins it.

It ruins the game because year in and year out there will be a team that contains more talent than a lot of FCS and non-BCS schools, sure every now and again there will be an upset but really everyone else is in for a butt whipping. it's very hard to counter recruiting with recruiting because not every team/ team sponsor can afford to give jobs to new people at the drop of a hat. I find it highly unlikely for any sort of government regulation of this because there is no way to regulate it without violating the rights of the parents, sponsors, and players.

We can all safely say that 15 teams (the rest of the Big 16, here in 4A ball in SC) will have to wait a LONG time before they have a chance at winning State.

What are your thoughts on High school teams recruiting AGS?
It's hard to regulate because it's tough to get proof. Everybody hollers recruiting, I have my feelings about some schools in the area but you truly never know. Kids are fickle and pipelines dry up. In a city like Tampa with lots of schools the balance of power shifts rapidly.

[andy7171]

It has ruined high school footbal in the Washington Metro area. Not as bad up here in Baltimore, though Gilam and McDonough have had years of complete dominance like the DeMathas and Good Counsels down South.

Actually I think GC has moved past DeMatha in the last few years.

[appmaj]

I dont think we have much of that in North Carolina

[mebisonII]

I can say with confidence that my high school football team did not recruit players...and we had the record to prove it!

[PhoenixMan]

I dont think we have much of that in North Carolina

it does happen, but not as often as some areas of the country. A few AD's and principals have lost their jobs in the last year or two for fudging addresses. I think one coach had 5 or 6 players home address listed as his address. Be hard to feed all those boysxnodx

[Reign of Terrier]

It's hard to regulate because it's tough to get proof. Everybody hollers recruiting, I have my feelings about some schools in the area but you truly never know. Kids are fickle and pipelines dry up. In a city like Tampa with lots of schools the balance of power shifts rapidly.

It's hard to argue that a Duncun, SC, a town that has less than 20,000 people can produce BCS talent than the rest of the regionxthumbsupx


I dont think we have much of that in North Carolina

think about that school called Independence

[PhoenixSupreme]

It's hard to argue that a Duncun, SC, a town that has less than 20,000 people can produce BCS talent than the rest of the regionxthumbsupx



think about that school called Independence

I can't really assess Independence High because I don't live in the Charlotte area, but I know of their reputation and I have friends that are alums from that school. In my opinion, a team like Independence from a large city such as Charlotte will tend to be more legit in their high school winning ways as there is simply a higher population density in the area, which means more athletic people will be clustered together.

And while I believe that one can make accusations that Independence High could be persuading kids from other high school zones in Charlotte to attend their school, I don't think it would be reasonable for many families in the Charlotte area. My main reasoning is that the parents would have to move within Independence High's school zone, which could hurt them in terms of commuting to their current job, or the parents would have to pay extra taxes to send their children to Independence HS (because they are in a different school zone).

All in all, from talking with friends who went there, I believe that I could better attribute Independence HS's success to their coach, Tom Knotts, rather than HS recruiting.

[Reign of Terrier]

I can't really assess Independence High because I don't live in the Charlotte area, but I know of their reputation and I have friends that are alums from that school. In my opinion, a team like Independence from a large city such as Charlotte will tend to be more legit in their high school winning ways as there is simply a higher population density in the area, which means more athletic people will be clustered together.

And while I believe that one can make accusations that Independence High could be persuading kids from other high school zones in Charlotte to attend their school, I don't think it would be reasonable for many families in the Charlotte area. My main reasoning is that the parents would have to move within Independence High's school zone, which could hurt them in terms of commuting to their current job, or the parents would have to pay extra taxes to send their children to Independence HS (because they are in a different school zone).

All in all, from talking with friends who went there, I believe that I could better attribute Independence HS's success to their coach, Tom Knotts, rather than HS recruiting.

whether or not the coaches recruited players is probably questionable, but regardless players went to school there who weren't zoned for it (I've remember reading stories about about players from Kansas or something taking visits and also players driving from far away to get to the bus stop)

[appmaj]

think about that school called Independence

Don't they get around that with their "magnet" schools?

I went to West Rowan; we did not lose a basketball game for 2+ years and it was all kids from our area...xwhistlex

[Reign of Terrier]

Don't they get around that with their "magnet" schools?

I went to West Rowan; we did not lose a basketball game for 2+ years and it was all kids from our area...xwhistlex

I think everybody goes to independence to play football...

I think the common theme people want to defend their school with (not necessarily saying your defending them-you didn't go there) is "well gee wilickers they didn't win anything in this sport" which IMO is just another reason they recruit because not all coaches in all sports will recruit but it raises the question "how can they bring out the best team in football year in and year out and not bring out a decent team in anything else?"

[appmaj]

I think everybody goes to independence to play football...

I think the common theme people want to defend their school with (not necessarily saying your defending them-you didn't go there) is "well gee wilickers they didn't win anything in this sport" which IMO is just another reason they recruit because not all coaches in all sports will recruit but it raises the question "how can they bring out the best team in football year in and year out and not bring out a decent team in anything else?"

I'm not defending Independce i just dont know anything about them...

[813Jag]

I think everybody goes to independence to play football...

I think the common theme people want to defend their school with (not necessarily saying your defending them-you didn't go there) is "well gee wilickers they didn't win anything in this sport" which IMO is just another reason they recruit because not all coaches in all sports will recruit but it raises the question "how can they bring out the best team in football year in and year out and not bring out a decent team in anything else?"
that doesn't have anything to do with recruiting. This is JMO but this thread sounds a little to whiney to me. Didn't Gafney have good football teams?

[daneboy]

The private schools will deny it, but "recruting" does take place in Calif. Two examples are Oaks Christian in Westlake(near Thousand Oaks) and St. Bonaventure in Ventura. Both schools are private and both have awesome programs. Let us not forget De La Salle from the northern part of the state. The advantage these schools have is that they do not have to follow the school district lines that public shools do. Both Oaks Christian and St. Bonnie--which are less than 30 minutes from each other, are located in an area that is within a short distance of several large high schools-- Westlake, Thousand Oaks, Agoura, Simi Valley, Oxnard, Camarillo, Ventura and Buena all come easily to mind. The point is, the private schools can draw from all of these areas and pick the cream of the crop while the private schools are limited by their district lines...
Of course, the private schools cost money for the students to attend. But, there are scholarships even though we all know that athletic ability has nothing do with them..
at least that is what we are told....in any case, I have been going to high school games in central california for a long, long time and the general rule is the private schools, despite having a huge disadvantage in school population, are generally the teams that do the best.

[PhoenixSupreme]

The private schools will deny it, but "recruting" does take place in Calif. Two examples are Oaks Christian in Westlake(near Thousand Oaks) and St. Bonaventure in Ventura. Both schools are private and both have awesome programs. Let us not forget De La Salle from the northern part of the state. The advantage these schools have is that they do not have to follow the school district lines that public shools do. Both Oaks Christian and St. Bonnie--which are less than 30 minutes from each other, are located in an area that is within a short distance of several large high schools-- Westlake, Thousand Oaks, Agoura, Simi Valley, Oxnard, Camarillo, Ventura and Buena all come easily to mind. The point is, the private schools can draw from all of these areas and pick the cream of the crop while the private schools are limited by their district lines...
Of course, the private schools cost money for the students to attend. But, there are scholarships even though we all know that athletic ability has nothing do with them..
at least that is what we are told....in any case, I have been going to high school games in central california for a long, long time and the general rule is the private schools, despite having a huge disadvantage in school population, are generally the teams that do the best.

I've always been curious about De La Salle, seeing as how they rolled off 151 straight wins. That's extremely impressive!

[Reign of Terrier]

that doesn't have anything to do with recruiting. This is JMO but this thread sounds a little to whiney to me. Didn't Gafney have good football teams?

we did and still do, Byrnes has about 7X as much talent as any other team in the state.

since 2000 they have won like 8 championships, before that they had like 2...call me a whiner but that's not a coincidence xpeacex

[813Jag]

we did and still do, Byrnes has about 7X as much talent as any other team in the state.

since 2000 they have won like 8 championships, before that they had like 2...call me a whiner but that's not a coincidence xpeacex
I don't doubt that, I'm just saying what it sounds like, when you threw in the part about losing 60-7, that part just throws off the validity of the topic. Actually I agree with your thread, it just comes off wrong. I'll put it this way, there's a school in Tampa that hadn't won more than 5 games from 1991 to 2005, since then they've won two 4A state titles and sent multiple players to major colleges. I guess they're cheating too?

[PhoenixSupreme]

I don't doubt that, I'm just saying what it sounds like, when you threw in the part about losing 60-7, that part just throws off the validity of the topic. Actually I agree with your thread, it just comes off wrong. I'll put it this way, there's a school in Tampa that hadn't won more than 5 games from 1991 to 2005, since then they've won two 4A state titles and sent multiple players to major colleges. I guess they're cheating too?

Kind of sounds like one of the schools in my county (and in my high school's district)--Gretna High School. They lost 44-something straight games in the late 1990s, then rolled off about 40 straight wins in the 2000s, and have seen VA Region 3 state titles in 2003, 2004, and VA Region 2 titles in 2007, 2008.

[techstate]

The private schools will deny it, but "recruting" does take place in Calif. Two examples are Oaks Christian in Westlake(near Thousand Oaks) and St. Bonaventure in Ventura. Both schools are private and both have awesome programs. Let us not forget De La Salle from the northern part of the state. The advantage these schools have is that they do not have to follow the school district lines that public shools do. Both Oaks Christian and St. Bonnie--which are less than 30 minutes from each other, are located in an area that is within a short distance of several large high schools-- Westlake, Thousand Oaks, Agoura, Simi Valley, Oxnard, Camarillo, Ventura and Buena all come easily to mind. The point is, the private schools can draw from all of these areas and pick the cream of the crop while the private schools are limited by their district lines...
Of course, the private schools cost money for the students to attend. But, there are scholarships even though we all know that athletic ability has nothing do with them..
at least that is what we are told....in any case, I have been going to high school games in central california for a long, long time and the general rule is the private schools, despite having a huge disadvantage in school population, are generally the teams that do the best.

what about long beach poly? they are a top public school team that is always up there competing. I think the privates do do well because of the money people have in the private schools and the money they can devote to athletics.

[danefan]

My brother is the head coach at Warwick NY right on the border of NY and NJ. Its a public school in a relatively wealthy region of NY. He has direct competition with Don Bosco Prep for kids.

My brother's team in 4-0 this year and ranked 17th in NY's largest class (AA).

Don Bosco is currently the #4 team in the US in the USAToday Super 25. They beat the daylights out of De La Salle in week 1 and last week beat Prattville Alabana on ESPN. They have 6 kids on the roster that would be on my brother's team, including 4 starters. The 4 starters all have FBS offers (2 Pac 10 and 2 Big East).

My brother can't compete with that. A national schedule and a guaranteed look by FBS coaches. These kids get scholarships to Don Bosco and they do well.

[813Jag]

Private schools don't get much here in Tampa.