Fordham at Colgate - Game Thread

[TheValleyRaider]

We're approximately 7 hours away from kickoff at luminescent Andy Kerr Stadium in Hamilton, NY

Fordham Rams, 0-2 (0-0)
at
Colgate Raiders, 3-0 (0-0)

Last Time Out
Fordham - L vs Columbia 40-28
Colgate - W at Dartmouth 34-15

Coaches
Fordham - Tom Masella, 4th Season, 16-20
Colgate - Dick Biddle, 14th Season, 107-49

All-Time Series: Colgate 16-4
Streak: Colgate, 1 Win
Last Meeting: Colgate 31-24 in the Bronx

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Next Week
Fordham vs Old Dominion
Colgate vs Cornell (Homecoming)

Let's Go 'Gate!

[TheValleyRaider]

Only change listed to the starting lineup is that McCord will offically start at TB instead of Colon

Unlikely anything else will change in the lineup, but if anything's announced pregame, I'll hear it

[TheValleyRaider]

After the coin toss, Colgate will kick

It is apparently raining quite hard in the last few minutes. We'll see what effect this has...

[TheValleyRaider]

Goldszak to kick it off, returned by Allen up to the 24. 1st and 10 Rams

Fordham 0
Colgate 0
14:53 1st

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate defense does a good job forcing a 3 and out. The punt from the Rams is taken by Schademan at his 35, and there is no return allowed by the coverage. 1st and 10 Raiders

0-0
14:07 1st

[TheValleyRaider]

Raider drive stalls near midfield, Goldszak into punt. His kick bounces into the end zone, touchback. 1st and 10 Rams at the 20

0-0
11:22 1st

[TheValleyRaider]

Another 3 and out for Fordham. Nice kick, taken by Schademan at the 35, returned to the 41. 1st and 10 Raiders

0-0
10:30 1st

[Go...gate]

Important game for both clubs....

[Go...gate]

5:43 left in 1st, Colgate going for it on 4th and goal, McCord fumble and touchback!

Fordham takes over at the Colgate 20.

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate drives down to the 1, but can't convert in 3 plays. They go for it on 4th and Goal from the 1, and Fordham forces a FUMBLE. Recovered by the Rams in the end zone, 1st and 10 Rams on the 20

0-0
5:20 1st

[Go...gate]

Long pass completed by Fordham, first down at Colgate 43.

[TheValleyRaider]

Slightly bizarre sequence there. Fordham's no huddle offense was moving too quickly for the chain gang and officials. Now that we've sorted things out, it's 4th and 1 on the Colgate 4, and Fordham takes their 1st TimeOut

0-0
3:06 1st

[Go...gate]

Fordham in scoring position at Colgate 4, 4th down and 1, calls time-out.

Raining in Hamilton. Small turn-out under the lights.

[Go...gate]

Skelton on a sneak for the Rams. Time-out for a measurement.

[TheValleyRaider]

Skelton keeps it himself on 4th and 1, and it's close. Measurement coming...SHORT! TURNOVER ON DOWNS! 1st and 10 Raiders at their 4

0-0
3:02 1st

[Go...gate]

COLGATE HOLDS!!!!!!

FIRST DOWN RED RAIDERS!!!

[TheValleyRaider]

McCord stuffed at the line as the clock expires. 3rd and 3 upcoming for Colgate at the Ram 35 when the next period begins

Fordham 0
Colgate 0
End 1st

[TheValleyRaider]

Another big stop by the Fordham D-Line forces 4th down. Raiders going for it on 4th and 4, Sullivan back to pass, flushed, runs for it, and he gets it! 1st and 10 Raiders

0-0
Early 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

A penalty pushes Colgate into a 3rd and 22, Sullivan's pass falls incomplete, and Colborne in to attempt the FG. 41 yards on the attempt. The kick is not attempted, as Fordham takes a penalty

Now, the 36 yard attempt is FUMBLED. Recovered by Fordham at their 26. 1st and 10 Rams

0-0
11:20 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

Aided by a penalty, the Colgate defense holds near their 30 yard line. 4th and long upcoming, and the Rams will attempt the 49 yard FG. The kick is a line drive, NO GOOD, wide left. 1st and 10 Raiders at their 32

0-0
8:49 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate pushes its way down to the 1, Sullivan keeps it, TOUCHDOWN! PAT from Colborne is up and NO GOOD. Pushed wide left

6-0 Colgate
3:27 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

Kickoff from Goldszak is taken at the 23, and returned by Robinson to midfield. 1st and 10 Rams

6-0 Colgate
3:20 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

Fordham uses the short field, and Skelton finds Caldwell in the end zone, TOUCHDOWN. The PAT is nearly blocked and NO GOOD, wide right

6-6
1:45 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

Kickoff from Murray is taken at the 5, returned by Demitri Diamond to the 25, but a Block in the Back penalty pushes the ball back to the 9. 1st and 10 Raiders

6-6
1:40 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate pushes for a 1st down at the 20, and Fordham takes their 2nd TimeOut

6-6
0:25 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

Sullivan runs on 1st down, and that lets the clock run out

Fordham 6
Colgate 6
Halftime

[TheValleyRaider]

Pretty ugly game. 3 missed kicks, 2 of the extra points. 2 fumbles by the Raiders, otherwise a lot of back and forth with little to show for it. Ram defense seems to be keying on McCord, we'll see if that lets Colgate open up more with the passing game (which has had some nice pickups so far tonight)

[Go...gate]

This game is going to end up being a heartbreaker for somebody.

[TheValleyRaider]

Here's 2 out of town scores to chew on for a bit

Pennsylvania 0
Lafayette 14
Late 2nd

Red Sox 0
Yankees 3
Final
(for some of our friends from the Bronx ;))

[Franks Tanks]

Here's 2 out of town scores to chew on for a bit

Pennsylvania 0
Lafayette 14
Late 2nd

Red Sox 0
Yankees 3
Final
(for some of our friends from the Bronx ;))

Lafayette up 17-3 at the half. The Leopards are throwing the ball all over and making big plays in the passing game. I am rather suprised at this is a good Penn team, but we need to keep the dial turned up in the 2nd half.

I'm surpised Fordham is hanging with Colgate.

[Go...gate]

Fordham could turn its season around with a win in Hamilton.

[TheValleyRaider]

Getting set for the 2nd half. Fordham to kickoff. Taken by Diamond at the 5, returned to the 23. 1st and 10 Raiders

6-6
14:55 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate stalls at the Fordham 19. 36 yard attempt for Colborne. Kick is up, it is caught in the wind, NO GOOD, wide left. 1st and 10 Rams

6-6
11:30 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate holds, forcing a 3 and out. The punt from Murray is over Schademan's head, and it rolls into the end zone. 1st and 10 Raiders at their 20

8:35 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Sullivan looking to the end zone, he's got Simonds, TOUCHDOWN!! Colborne's PAT is up and....GOOD!

13-6 Colgate
4:52 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Goldszak's kickoff is short, taken at the 25 by Robinson, but he's hit at the 30. 1st and 10 Rams

13-6 Colgate
4:48 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

PI penalty in the end zone gives Fordham 1st and Goal at the 2, and on 2nd down they punch it in, TOUCHDOWN from Whitting. Murray's PAT is BLOCKED! NO GOOD!

13-12 Colgate
2:14 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Kickoff from Murray is taken by Schademan at the 5, returned up to the 23. 1st and 10 Raiders

13-12 Colgate
2:10 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Fordham's defense forces a 3 and out. Goldszak's punt is a low line drive that rolls to a stop at the Fordham 33. 1st and 10 Rams.

Actually, there's an Illegal Formation penalty, but no re-kick, 1st and 10 Rams at their 38... xconfusedx

13-12 Colgate
0:32 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Fordham picks up a 1st down, and after a 1 yard run at midfield, the clock runs out

Fordham 12
Colgate 13
End 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

A Holding penalty helps out the Raiders, Fordham stalls at the Colgate 21. 38 yard attempt by Murray is up and NO GOOD! WIDE RIGHT! 1st and 10 Raiders

13-12 Colgate
11:29 4th

[Go...gate]

The weather and the respective kicking games appear to be dismal.

McCord runs to the Colgate 44, first down.

[Go...gate]

9:35 left, Colgate 13, Fordham 12

[Go...gate]

McCord carries to the Fordham 23. 3rd and 10.

[Go...gate]

Mc Cord runs inside the Fordham 5 for a Colgate first down. Time running off the clock, under 6:00 left. McCord now close to 200 yards rushing.

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate runs down inside the 10, on a roll-out, Sullivan looks back and Cvetic is wide open, TOUCHDOWN!!! Colborne's PAT is banged through, GOOD!!

20-12 Colgate
5:30 4th

[Go...gate]

Greg Sullivan to Nick Cvetic pass for TD. PAT good!

Colgate 20, Fordham 12.

[TheValleyRaider]

Goldszak's kickoff is taken at the 10 by Allen, returned up to the 41. 1st and 10 Rams

20-12 Colgate
5:22 4th

[Go...gate]

Poor coverage on KO by Colgate. 33 yard return for Fordham.

[Go...gate]

Special teams have been uneven for Colgate this evening.

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate forces a 3 and out, huge. Fordham's punt is nearly blocked, and it bounces out at the Colgate 36. 1st and 10 Raiders

20-12 Colgate
~4:00 4th

[Go...gate]

Colgate with a fine stop, forces a punt. Colgate has a chance to run out the clock with a first down or two.

[Go...gate]

Penalty on Colgate? Damn. 8th penalty of the game.

[TheValleyRaider]

Big gain on 1st and 15 by the Raiders sets up 2nd and short. Fordham takes TimeOut #1

20-12 Colgate
~3:00 4th

[Go...gate]

Prayer pass by Sullivan caught by Simonds for Colgate short of the first down with 3:26 to play.

[Go...gate]

Sullivan to Simonds again, Colgate first down.

[TheValleyRaider]

On 1st down, McCord runs up the middle and is stuffed. Fordham takes their 2nd TimeOut

20-12 Colgate
2:53 4th

[Go...gate]

McCord stopped behind the line on first down. Fordham time out.

2nd and 11 for Colgate.

Colgate has nearly 500 yards total offense.

McCord 39 carries for 195 yards so far.

[TheValleyRaider]

McCord can't get much on 2nd down, Fordham takes the final TimeOut with 3rd and long upcoming

20-12 Colgate
2:31 4th

[Go...gate]

McCord stuffed again. Colgate in a 4th and 14, takes time out.

1:48 remaining.

[TheValleyRaider]

McCord gets nothing on 3rd and 13. The Raiders will punt from midfield, but will take their sweet time in doing so. Play clock gets all the way down to 1 before Colgate calls their 1st TimeOut

20-12 Colgate
1:48 4th

[TheValleyRaider]

Punt from Goldszak is high and deep, goes out of bounds at the 13. 1st and 10 Rams

Fordham has no TimeOuts

20-12 Colgate
1:39 4th

[Go...gate]

Sack of Skelton by Carlton Walker, 0:47 left, Fordham 4th and 28!

[TheValleyRaider]

Skelton sacked at the 1. 4th and 28 for the Rams, and apparently Fordham takes a TimeOut. I thought they didn't have any, but apparently they did...

20-12 Colgate
0:47 4th

[TheValleyRaider]

4th and 28, pass from Skelton completed to Caldwell at the 31, 1st down Rams. Spiked by the Rams

0:36 4th

[Go...gate]

Skelton complete to Caldwell, first down. Spike on 2nd down.

[TheValleyRaider]

4th and 10 for the Rams, Skelton finds Caldwell, he gets out of bounds at the 20

0:14 4th

[Go...gate]

DAMN!!! Bomb to Caldwell and Fordham in scoring range at Colgate 20. 0:14 left.

[TheValleyRaider]

Wow. Skelton was sacked, there was confusion if they got the next play off on time. Colgate flooded the field, thinking it was over, but no whistle blew. Skelton threw a TD pass, and now they'll talk it over....

[Go...gate]

Clock has run out, but Fordham ran one last play and scored on a pass! Some confusion here!

[TheValleyRaider]

Ruling is....the clock ran out! COLGATE WINS!

Fordham 12
Colgate 20
Final

[Go...gate]

Coach Tom Masella having an ugly confrontation with the Referee. A little bit of a melee between the teams.

[Go...gate]

Announcer: "This is a wild, wild, scene in Hamilton, NY".

[TheValleyRaider]

What a terrible way to end the game. Unfortunately there's no replay, because I definately would have wanted to see if they play got off. Tough call for the Rams, I'd be furious if I were them

Ugly game, but Colgate pulled it out. Never going to look a League win in the mouth, regardless of the circumstances

[Go...gate]

Looks like the game goes to Colgate, but I would love to see what happened on video....

[Go...gate]

It does sound like Fordham may have a legitimate beef.

Refs were chicken s**t to just run off the field without giving Masella an explanation.

[Gater]

A really ugly end to an ugly game. It was impossible to tell from the video feed whether Fordham got the snap off. Colgate certainly acted as though they had heard a whistle but Fordham fans (and certainly coaches) have to be going ballistic. Colgate did everything it could to throw this game away but Fordham matched them miscue for miscue. Ultimately, a really good win for Colgate. You have to give Biddle credit, he always seems to win these games. I am not sure Colgate deserved to win, but he always seems to win these games.

[Gater]

The refs did give him an explanation (and then they ran for their lives). Seems like it was a good idea for Biddle to hustle the team into the locker room. Fordham looked ready to explode.

[GateRaider63]

I'll take that W. Impossible to tell if it got off in time. Even Skelton slowed like he heard a whistle at first. Other than the last drive, the D played well. O had more opportunities to finish but ultimately put up enough points to win.

The Kerrdome with some wind is one of the toughest places to kick. It has the tendency to swirl around the stadium and can be moving in one direction at ground level and another about 10-15 yards up. Saw that tonight with all the missed kicks. They're freshman, they'll figure it out.

[Fordham]

What a terrible way to end the game. Unfortunately there's no replay, because I definately would have wanted to see if they play got off. Tough call for the Rams, I'd be furious if I were them

Ugly game, but Colgate pulled it out. Never going to look a League win in the mouth, regardless of the circumstances

yep.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Boy, was this not what I expected to read in this thread.

Were the kicking problems basically a weather thing?

[TheValleyRaider]

Were the kicking problems basically a weather thing?

It seemed like it. The wind was whipping around and definitely caught at least one of the PATs

[JoltinJoe]

A day later, still having a hard time letting go of the screwing the refs gave us at the end of this game. It was intentional. They took the play away from us because the game was at Colgate, and Colgate was favored.

I have never seen a game end like this. If an official believed that the clock had elapsed before the snap, then he should have blown his whistle while running toward the snap with his hands waving over his head. Not a single official gave any indication that the play didn't count. Not one of them waved off the play while it was happening.

And after we score the TD, they get together and screw us. Totally unacceptable, bush league, BS officiating.

When have you ever seen the refs allow a play that didn't count go forward -- until yesterday, every time I have seen a dead play start, I have always seen a ref frantically waving his arms to demonstrate that the play doesn't count.

Letting the play go forward and then taking it away after Fordham scores is unbelievable.

[Go...gate]

A day later, still having a hard time letting go of the screwing the refs gave us at the end of this game. It was intentional. They took the play away from us because the game was at Colgate, and Colgate was favored.

I have never seen a game end like this. If an official believed that the clock had elapsed before the snap, then he should have blown his whistle while running toward the snap with his hands waving over his head. Not a single official gave any indication that the play didn't count. Not one of them waved off the play while it was happening.

And after we score the TD, they get together and screw us. Totally unacceptable, bush league, BS officiating.

When have you ever seen the refs allow a play that didn't count go forward -- until yesterday, every time I have seen a dead play start, I have always seen a ref frantically waving his arms to demonstrate that the play doesn't count.

Letting the play go forward and then taking it away after Fordham scores is unbelievable.

You certainly have a point, Joe, but I doubt it was intentional. Sounds like the refs just got things completely screwed up.

[JoltinJoe]

You certainly have a point, Joe, but I doubt it was intentional. Sounds like the refs just got things completely screwed up.

Maybe. But we never get the calls. The number of bad calls that go against Fordham is mind boggling. I've never said anything about it, because you sound like a bad sport when you whine about calls. But yesterday was a breaking point. We get zero respect from the refs.

Enough is enough. I'm fed up with it.

In this case, I'm pretty sure is that what happened is that the Line Judge, who is supposed to monitor the official scoreboard clock and signal dead any untimely play, let the play go as timely; and that another official, lacking the responsibility of monitoring the time, insisted, after the fact, that the play be called dead. I doubt that any official would have second-guessed the Line Judge if it had been Colgate who scored.

Again, I have never seen a "dead" play proceed all the way to conclusion without a single official demonstratively waving the play off while the play was unfolding.

[ColgateTD]

I was there, and it looked like Fordham got the play off in time, and certainly went through with the TD without any officials waving their arms to stop it. Joe, you've got a legitimate beef. Too bad the game had to end as it did.

Skelton is for real, and the Rams were tough. They should make some noise in the PL before this is all over.

Unlike the pros, there is no video replay in college, but I would certainly like to see that final play over again on video. I wondered if the refs thought there were not enough Ram players at the line of scrimmage before the snap, and in looking over the situation the clock ran down. They should have stopped the clock if there was a question about lining up, or if there was a penalty to be assessed.

Sorry you guys always seem to get the short end of the stick....xconfusedx

[JoltinJoe]

I was there, and it looked like Fordham got the play off in time, and certainly went through with the TD without any officials waving their arms to stop it. Joe, you've got a legitimate beef. Too bad the game had to end as it did.

Skelton is for real, and the Rams were tough. They should make some noise in the PL before this is all over.

Unlike the pros, there is no video replay in college, but I would certainly like to see that final play over again on video. I wondered if the refs thought there were not enough Ram players at the line of scrimmage before the snap, and in looking over the situation the clock ran down. They should have stopped the clock if there was a question about lining up, or if there was a penalty to be assessed.

Sorry you guys always seem to get the short end of the stick....xconfusedx

What's done is done. I was watching on line and I was really pumped when they scored the TD .... it was crushing to have that TD taken away, and with it the chance to tie. Our season ended for me when they waved off the TD. A fitting, devastating ending blow to what has been a most disappointing season.

Not as angry today as when I first posted. I have no idea if the ball was snapped in time. I just wished the officials had killed the play immediately. For a sports fan, nothing stings more than being deflated within moments of apparent glory.

Funny thing is we still had to score the two-point conversion to tie.

[Pard4Life]

I have learned Colgate is the luckiest bunch of S*Bs in PL football. That ending sounds sickening, worse than the Pards-HC ending last year. Fordham can still win this race if they run the table.

[Go...gate]

I have learned Colgate is the luckiest bunch of S*Bs in PL football. That ending sounds sickening, worse than the Pards-HC ending last year. Fordham can still win this race if they run the table.

Oh, come on! This crap about Colgate getting flukes their way all the time is ridiculous!!

For what it is worth, I have seen the ball bounce the other way a hell of a lot in over a half-century of watching Colgate football. Rutgers got an undefeated season in 1976 over a call on Thanksgiving night which was worse than the 2008 Coastal and Saturday's Fordham game combined. The ECAC had to issue a public correction of its officiating crew the following week, but the damage was done. I can also think of many others.

[PeacockRaider]

Im with you Go...gate. Calls go both ways. In the 2005 Central Conn-Colgate game the clock showed zero on Cent. Conn last play. Refs put 1 second back on and Cenn Conn came out and kicked the game winning fg... Im sure this will be rehashed if Colgate goes to the playoffs and doesn't win in the first round, most PL posters will tell us how their team would have fared much better

[TheValleyRaider]

What's done is done. I was watching on line and I was really pumped when they scored the TD .... it was crushing to have that TD taken away, and with it the chance to tie. Our season ended for me when they waved off the TD. A fitting, devastating ending blow to what has been a most disappointing season.

Not as angry today as when I first posted. I have no idea if the ball was snapped in time. I just wished the officials had killed the play immediately. For a sports fan, nothing stings more than being deflated within moments of apparent glory.

Funny thing is we still had to score the two-point conversion to tie.

I can certainly understand the frustration

Last year, in the postseason for Hockey, Colgate scored an OT goal to win Game 1 of the series against Quinnipiac. Unfortunately, the officials instead called a penalty on Colgate in that sequence, so instead of the game-winning goal, the game was still tied, and now we were down a man. QU eventually won that game, and would win the best of 3 series 2 games to 1. Now, it was probably a penalty, but given the circumstances, well, I think you can guess...

Like Saturday night for the Rams, it certainly stung, but it's happened to all of us xpeacex

Really, looking at it, I think it is fair to say the officials made a mistake in not attempting to blow the play dead if indeed one of them thought the clock had run out. Someone made a big mistake there, and unfortunately Fordham had to pay the real emotional price

EDIT: And PeacockRaider is right about the CCSU game!!!!!