Hail to the Redski...

[89Hen]

Law suit continues. I don't expect any action as money talks, but I for one think they have a case... that is, their case is certainly stronger than any other mascot case ever.


Mike Florez said, "I don't think there's anything's offensive about it. We've grown up with the name. It's kind of benign."

Seriously? Redskins? That's OK when Fighting Sioux, Flying Dutchmen, Fighting Christians, etc... are not?

Why not just have the San Francisco Gooks? The New York Wops? The Georgia Darkies?

http://www.wusa9.com/sports/story.aspx?storyid=91100&catid=25

[NHwildEcat]

Wouldn't it be the San Francisco Queers? They are more known for that!

[NHwildEcat]

But in seriousness, there is no big deal with the name Redskins...they have been around for how long now? If no one had a problem then, then why should they change it now because people like to complain more and talk about being politically correct...bunch of crap really.

[andy7171]

Little Danny doesn't have to listen to what the NCAA tells him.

Oh and this...
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Communication/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

[89Hen]

But in seriousness, there is no big deal with the name Redskins...they have been around for how long now?
How long was slavery around? How long did they labotomize people with mental issues? How long did women not have the right to vote?

Is this as bad as any of those... of course not, but a mistake is a mistake. Actually the fact that the name came from the 30's makes it worse IMO. It's lonnnng overdue to be removed.

[andy7171]

The only people who find it offensive are a handful of PC activitists and people who hate the NFL team.

[NHwildEcat]

How long was slavery around? How long did they labotomize people with mental issues? How long did women not have the right to vote?

Is this as bad as any of those... of course not, but a mistake is a mistake. Actually the fact that the name came from the 30's makes it worse IMO. It's lonnnng overdue to be removed.

Couldn't disagree more...but if they change the Redskins nickname, then Tampa Bay had better be after...because we don't want to offend any of those pirates...

[GannonFan]

I'm an Eagles fan and I hate the Skins, but I've got no problem with them keeping the name.

[NHwildEcat]

Oh and I hear that Lions all over the world are calling for a name change in Detroit so that they are nto confused with losing!

[andy7171]

I'm an Eagles fan and I hate the Skins, but I've got no problem with them keeping the name.

Right. I meant poeple who hate the team and enjoy getting under Redskins fans skin.

[89Hen]

The only people who find it offensive are a handful of PC activitists and people who hate the NFL team.
I'm neither. I hate PC, but as I said, this name is FAR worse than the others that have been forced to change. I have no hate of the Redskins any more. They've been losing for so long, I kind of feel sorry for them.

[89Hen]

Couldn't disagree more...but if they change the Redskins nickname, then Tampa Bay had better be after...because we don't want to offend any of those pirates...
xconfusedx Plain old silly NHE:

1. Buccaneer is not a derrogatory name
2. AFAIK there are no Buccaneers left in the world

[TheValleyRaider]

I'm neither. I hate PC, but as I said, this name is FAR worse than the others that have been forced to change. I have no hate of the Redskins any more. They've been losing for so long, I kind of feel sorry for them.

You had me up to there.... xsmiley_wix

[darell1976]

Go Skins!!!!:D

[StrikeJMU]

May you rest in peace Redskins. I think it would only be appropriate to bury you along side your not so forgotten brothers, the Bullets.

[blukeys]

The only people who find it offensive are a handful of PC activitists and people who hate the NFL team.

I hate the Redskins but they can keep the name along with the Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves, W&M tribe, Florida Seminoles. etc.

I do think we should bring back the Baltimore Bullets. I think Gettysburg College should be more historically accurate and change from the Bullets to Minie Balls.

Gettysburg Minie Balls. Their cheer could be, You can't lick our b**ls.

[tribe_pride]

I'm neither. I hate PC, but as I said, this name is FAR worse than the others that have been forced to change. I have no hate of the Redskins any more. They've been losing for so long, I kind of feel sorry for them.

I am not a Skins fan but can the fan of a team without a Super Bowl win make fun of one with 3 Super Bowl wins when talking about the history of the teams?

[Hansel]

The New York Wops?


My High School team was the "Wahpeton Wops" until PC concerns killed the name in the early 90's

[andy7171]

May you rest in peace Redskins. I think it would only be appropriate to bury you along side your not so forgotten brothers, the Bullets.

If this happened I will act do as I did back when the Bullets became the Wizards, take it as a sign from God relieving me of my suffering....and start rooting for another team.

[ngineer]

Simple fact is it is derogatory. Does anyone think that you could go up to a stranger and call them a 'Wop', 'Kike', '******', 'Chink', 'Gook', 'Queer', 'Wetback', 'Polack', 'Brownie', etc., and not be offensiive? 'Redskin' is in the same category.
I have no problem with using the corret name of groups, who in some cases may feel honored by being included in a team's name, i.e. Seminoles, Irish, Sioux,
But to use down-in-the-gutter nicknames that harken back to when bigotry was out in the open with no repercussions is just wrong.

[ngineer]

I should note, the editing of my post was not done by me. I consider all the names in that string to be equally offensive.

[andy7171]

Big Brother is watching.

[89Hen]

I hate the Redskins but they can keep the name along with the Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves, W&M tribe, Florida Seminoles. etc.
Nope. Remember the old Sesame Street thing.... one of these things is NOT like the others. Only one of the above names is a derrogatory term used by one ethnic group to describe another. xnonox

[NHwildEcat]

Nope. Remember the old Sesame Street thing.... one of these things is NOT like the others. Only one of the above names is a derrogatory term used by one ethnic group to describe another. xnonox

It should be the Cleveland Native Americans...get with the times Hen.

[andy7171]

Didn't you guys read that Penn study I posted a link to? 91% of American Indians do NOT find it insulting or derrogatory. The most popular school mascot on reservation schools is REDSKINS. WTF!?! It's a lost cause. Little Danny doesn't have anyone to kneel down to to change this.

[Hoyadestroya85]

Right. I meant poeple who hate the team and enjoy getting under Redskins fans skin.

Under their redskin?

[89Hen]

Didn't you guys read that Penn study I posted a link to? 91% of American Indians do NOT find it insulting or derrogatory.
Sean Penn? xconfusedx

[andy7171]

Sean Penn? xconfusedx

Pennsylvania Univeristy

[ChickenMan]

Obvioulsy since there is a very small minority of American Indians who find the term 'redskin' offensive.. the name needs to be changed immediately!!! As a result.. the Washington Native Americans will be hosting the St Louis Rams this Sunday.

xnutsx

[Dane96]

xconfusedx Plain old silly NHE:

1. Buccaneer is not a derrogatory name
2. AFAIK there are no Buccaneers left in the world

Except in the waters of Somalia.xrulesx

xsmiley_wix

[aust42]

Nope. Remember the old Sesame Street thing.... one of these things is NOT like the others. Only one of the above names is a derrogatory term used by one ethnic group to describe another. xnonox

Lighten up Francis. I don't think Redskin is a deragotory word like the N word which is obviously a deragotory word. Redskin was never a word/expression used like the N word was/is used to downgrade a race. Back in the 1700/1800's it was a term used to describe all Indians of many different tribes. Whites, Blacks and Redskins were terms used to call the three general races of that time. Even the Indians used the term Redskins back in the day to distinquish themselves from whites.

When Dan Snyder bought the Reskins the whole political correctness issue was in full bloom about Indian team names. A reporter asked him during one of his first press conferences (and I paraphrase): "So are you considering changing the team name?" Dan Snyder: "No why would I do that?" Reporter: "Because it's offensive to Native American Indians." Dan Snyder: "Well it's not offensive to me, next question". xlolx

[UNCBears2010]

Law suit continues. I don't expect any action as money talks, but I for one think they have a case... that is, their case is certainly stronger than any other mascot case ever.



Seriously? Redskins? That's OK when Fighting Sioux, Flying Dutchmen, Fighting Christians, etc... are not?

Why not just have the San Francisco Gooks? The New York Wops? The Georgia Darkies?

http://www.wusa9.com/sports/story.aspx?storyid=91100&catid=25

Don't forget the Green Bay Crackers!

[89Hen]

Lighten up Francis. I don't think Redskin is a deragotory word like the N word which is obviously a deragotory word. Redskin was never a word/expression used like the N word was/is used to downgrade a race. Back in the 1700/1800's it was a term used to describe all Indians of many different tribes. Whites, Blacks and Redskins were terms used to call the three general races of that time. Even the Indians used the term Redskins back in the day to distinquish themselves from whites.
Seriously? xconfusedx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_(slang)


The term was used throughout the English-speaking world (and in equivalent transliterations in Europe) throughout the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries as a common term of reference for indigenous Americans. The term was once in common use, as evidenced in Western movies, but is now largely considered a pejorative and is seldom used publicly (aside from the football team - see below). As with any term perceived to be discriminatory, different individuals may hold differing opinions of the term's appropriateness.

[andy7171]

You're lucky I can't quote you from the Poli Forum bashing Wikipedia as a source!

:D

[darell1976]

My High School team was the "Wahpeton Wops" until PC concerns killed the name in the early 90's

Mine was the Grand Forks Central Redskins....same boat.:)

[89Hen]

You're lucky I can't quote you from the Poli Forum bashing Wikipedia as a source!

:D
You must be thinking of somebody else. xeyebrowx

Not much info on the history of the term around.

dictionary.com...

redskin
–noun Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive. a North American Indian.

[89Hen]

BTW, I'm not losing sleep over this. I just think it's ridiculous to think Redskins is OK when a lot of others weren't. xpeacex

[aust42]

Seriously? xconfusedx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_(slang)

Yes Seriously.

The term was used throughout the English-speaking world (and in equivalent transliterations in Europe) throughout the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries as a common term of reference for indigenous Americans. The term was once in common use, as evidenced in Western movies, but is now largely considered a pejorative and is seldom used publicly (aside from the football team - see below). As with any term perceived to be discriminatory, different individuals may hold differing opinions of the term's appropriateness.

So Redskin was a general term not considered deragotory back in the 1700/1800's but all of a sudden it is now? That's why this has been continuously tossed out of the lower courts due to the statue of limitations. Why wasn't this an issue the last 8 decades or so when the name was adopted by Washington? Now that we live in a Politically Correct society it only takes one person to be offended and we have to change the world for them? F that.

[89Hen]

So Redskin was a general term not considered deragotory back in the 1700/1800's but all of a sudden it is now?
All of a sudden? xconfusedx

[aust42]

All of a sudden? xconfusedx

Yes, like I said Redskin was not a deragotory term used back in the 1700/1800's, so why is it considered deragatory now? Even your source Wikipedia notes this fact and also stated Indians used the term themselves. I don't think Redskin has been a term that has even used in the past 100 years in any manner other than the name of the NFL team.

Even the vast majority of current Native Americans do not consider Redskin offensive. Per Wikipedia:

a 2002 poll commissioned by Sports Illustrated found that 75% of those Native Americans surveyed had no objection to the Redskins name.[37] However, the results of the poll have been criticized due to Sport's Illustrated's refusal to provide polling information (i.e. how participants were recruited and contacted, if they were concentrated in one region, if one ethnic group is over represented and the exact wording and order of questions).[38][39] But in 2004, a poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania essentially confirmed the prior poll's findings, concluding that 91% of the American Indians surveyed in the 48 states on the mainland USA found the name acceptable and setting out in detail the exact wording of the questions.[40]

[Dukie95]

They should just change their mascot to a potato and be done with it.

[darell1976]

They should just change their mascot to a potato and be done with it.

Farmers would protest.xlolx

[93henfan]

They should just change their mascot to a potato and be done with it.

But not a red potato.

[andy7171]

The only people who find it offensive ... people who hate the NFL team.

What he said. Or me.

[89Hen]

I don't think Redskin has been a term that has even used in the past 100 years in any manner other than the name of the NFL team.
I wonder why. xcoolx

[Torgo]

Its an awful name in my opinion. I have no problem with names that are used in respect, but George Marshall was an outright racist (he led the cause to re-introduce segregation into the NFL...) and named the team that as a marketing scheme. Its a derogatory word that in no sense can be seen as anything positive. I say this as a proponent of North Dakota being able to keep the Fighting Sioux name and a fan of an AFC team that is completely indifferent to the Redskins as a football team. Change the name to Indians and I'd have no problem, but the only reason they've been able to keep that name so long is because they've been around so long and there's almost no indians/native americans in that region of the United States. That name and the Cleveland Indians logo are the only things I find issue with.

[StrikeJMU]

Its an awful name in my opinion. I have no problem with names that are used in respect, but George Marshall was an outright racist (he led the cause to re-introduce segregation into the NFL...) and named the team that as a marketing scheme. Its a derogatory word that in no sense can be seen as anything positive. I say this as a proponent of North Dakota being able to keep the Fighting Sioux name and a fan of an AFC team that is completely indifferent to the Redskins as a football team. Change the name to Indians and I'd have no problem, but the only reason they've been able to keep that name so long is because they've been around so long and there's almost no indians/native americans in that region of the United States. That name and the Cleveland Indians logo are the only things I find issue with.

http://www.gamewornuniforms.com/catalog/images/logo2.jpg

he looks so happy though.

[aust42]

I wonder why. xcoolx

Because Redskin was a non-deragoatory term that just died over the years. A generational change of terms so to speak. I believe it was replaced by Indian and/or Native American. 89Hen, admit it, you just hate the Redskins so bad you want to see them lose their trademark name. xsmiley_wix

[89Hen]

Because Redskin was a non-deragoatory term that just died over the years. A generational change of terms so to speak.
Much like other terms that we don't use much anymore except by haters.

BTW, was watching Bad News Bears last night and the difference between 1976 and now is remarkable. Upon announcing that Tatum O'Neal was their new pitcher, Tanner comments "Jews, Spics and Nickers and now a girl?" This was a PG movie in 1976 and I saw it in the theater as a 9 year old with my mother.