TSN Poll 9-14-09

[The Moody1]

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm

1. Richmond Spiders (122) 2-0 3,607 1
2. Villanova Wildcats (13) 2-0 3,369 3
3. Northern Iowa Panthers (6) 1-1 3,271 4
4. Montana Grizzlies 2-0 3,075 5
5. William & Mary Tribe (2) 2-0 2,865 7
6. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 2-0 2,701 9
7. James Madison Dukes 0-1 2,618 6
8. McNeese State Cowboys (1) 2-0 2,358 16
9. Southern Illinois Salukis 0-1 2,296 8
10. Appalachian State Mountaineers 0-2 2,241 2
11. Elon Phoenix 2-0 2,219 10
12. Cal Poly Mustangs 1-0 1,885 12
13. Weber State Wildcats 0-2 1,719 11
14. Wofford Terriers 1-1 1,612 14
15. South Carolina State Bulldogs (1) 2-0 1,515 15
16. Central Arkansas Bears 0-1 1,503 13
17. Massachusetts Minutemen 1-1 1,346 17
18. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1-0 1,089 21
19. Texas State Bobcats 1-0 977 19
20. Maine Black Bears 2-0 973 20
21. Eastern Washington Eagles 1-1 572 18
22. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 0-1 505 22
23. Holy Cross Crusaders 2-0 476 25
24. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 0-2 471 23
25. Harvard Crimson 0-0 267 24
Others receiving votes: Eastern Illinois 241, Liberty 205, Florida A&M 182, Delaware 177, Furman 124, Colgate 100, Grambling 89, Hofstra 82, Alabama A&M 77, Samford 71, Montana State 64, Youngstown State 53, Penn 52, Northern Arizona 45, Gardner-Webb 42, Brown 36, Prairie View A&M 33, Stephen F. Austin 28, Western Illinois 26, Valparaiso 23, Sam Houston State 19, Southern 18, Georg State 2, Saint Francis (PA) 2, Murray State 1, San Diego 1, Yale 1.

[89Hen]

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm

1. Richmond Spiders (122) 2-0 3,607 1
2. Villanova Wildcats (13) 2-0 3,369 3
3. Northern Iowa Panthers (6) 1-1 3,271 4
4. Montana Grizzlies 2-0 3,075 5
5. William & Mary Tribe (2) 2-0 2,865 7
6. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 2-0 2,701 9
7. James Madison Dukes 0-1 2,618 6
8. McNeese State Cowboys (1) 2-0 2,358 16
9. Southern Illinois Salukis 0-1 2,296 8
10. Appalachian State Mountaineers 0-2 2,241 2
11. Elon Phoenix 2-0 2,219 10
12. Cal Poly Mustangs 1-0 1,885 12
13. Weber State Wildcats 0-2 1,719 11
14. Wofford Terriers 1-1 1,612 14
15. South Carolina State Bulldogs (1) 2-0 1,515 15
16. Central Arkansas Bears 0-1 1,503 13
17. Massachusetts Minutemen 1-1 1,346 17
18. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1-0 1,089 21
19. Texas State Bobcats 1-0 977 19
20. Maine Black Bears 2-0 973 20
21. Eastern Washington Eagles 1-1 572 18
22. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 0-1 505 22
23. Holy Cross Crusaders 2-0 476 25
24. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 0-2 471 23
25. Harvard Crimson 0-0 267 24
Others receiving votes: Eastern Illinois 241, Liberty 205, Florida A&M 182, Delaware 177, Furman 124, Colgate 100, Grambling 89, Hofstra 82, Alabama A&M 77, Samford 71, Montana State 64, Youngstown State 53, Penn 52, Northern Arizona 45, Gardner-Webb 42, Brown 36, Prairie View A&M 33, Stephen F. Austin 28, Western Illinois 26, Valparaiso 23, Sam Houston State 19, Southern 18, Georg State 2, Saint Francis (PA) 2, Murray State 1, San Diego 1, Yale 1.
xnutsx

[UNCBears2010]

Who is the idiot that gave San Diego a vote? That team isn't any good, they got pounded by UNC this week.

[danefan]

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm

1. Richmond Spiders (122) 2-0 3,607 1
2. Villanova Wildcats (13) 2-0 3,369 3
3. Northern Iowa Panthers (6) 1-1 3,271 4
4. Montana Grizzlies 2-0 3,075 5
5. William & Mary Tribe (2) 2-0 2,865 7
6. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 2-0 2,701 9
7. James Madison Dukes 0-1 2,618 6
8. McNeese State Cowboys (1) 2-0 2,358 16
9. Southern Illinois Salukis 0-1 2,296 8
10. Appalachian State Mountaineers 0-2 2,241 2
11. Elon Phoenix 2-0 2,219 10
12. Cal Poly Mustangs 1-0 1,885 12
13. Weber State Wildcats 0-2 1,719 11
14. Wofford Terriers 1-1 1,612 14
15. South Carolina State Bulldogs (1) 2-0 1,515 15
16. Central Arkansas Bears 0-1 1,503 13
17. Massachusetts Minutemen 1-1 1,346 17
18. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1-0 1,089 21
19. Texas State Bobcats 1-0 977 19
20. Maine Black Bears 2-0 973 20
21. Eastern Washington Eagles 1-1 572 18
22. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 0-1 505 22
23. Holy Cross Crusaders 2-0 476 25
24. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 0-2 471 23
25. Harvard Crimson 0-0 267 24
Others receiving votes: Eastern Illinois 241, Liberty 205, Florida A&M 182, Delaware 177, Furman 124, Colgate 100, Grambling 89, Hofstra 82, Alabama A&M 77, Samford 71, Montana State 64, Youngstown State 53, Penn 52, Northern Arizona 45, Gardner-Webb 42, Brown 36, Prairie View A&M 33, Stephen F. Austin 28, Western Illinois 26, Valparaiso 23, Sam Houston State 19, Southern 18, Georg State 2, Saint Francis (PA) 2, Murray State 1, San Diego 1, Yale 1.


How can anyone to take this poll seriously. Its a shame the NCAA views this as the "official" poll.

Mr. C - I hate to call you out on this but you've got to get this thing under control. Its becoming more and more apparent that the TSN poll isn't in any way audited.

[crusader11]

Why is Valparaiso receiving 23 votes?

[UNHWildCats]

xnutsx
no crazier then Montana actually MOVING UP xsmhxxsmhxxsmhxxsmhx

[RabidRabbit]

Who is the idiot that gave San Diego a vote? That team isn't any good, they got pounded by UNC this week.

Georgia STATE? xeekx Have they even started play?

St Francis (PA)? 2-0, but come on folks. xwhistlex

[gophoenix]

How can anyone to take this poll seriously. Its a shame the NCAA views this as the "official" poll.

Mr. C - I hate to call you out on this but you've got to get this thing under control. Its becoming more and more apparent that the TSN poll isn't in any way audited.

i had the same thought.

[PantherRob82]

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm

1. Richmond Spiders (122) 2-0 3,607 1
2. Villanova Wildcats (13) 2-0 3,369 3
3. Northern Iowa Panthers (6) 1-1 3,271 4
4. Montana Grizzlies 2-0 3,075 5
5. William & Mary Tribe (2) 2-0 2,865 7
6. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 2-0 2,701 9
7. James Madison Dukes 0-1 2,618 6
8. McNeese State Cowboys (1) 2-0 2,358 16
9. Southern Illinois Salukis 0-1 2,296 8
10. Appalachian State Mountaineers 0-2 2,241 2
11. Elon Phoenix 2-0 2,219 10
12. Cal Poly Mustangs 1-0 1,885 12
13. Weber State Wildcats 0-2 1,719 11
14. Wofford Terriers 1-1 1,612 14
15. South Carolina State Bulldogs (1) 2-0 1,515 15
16. Central Arkansas Bears 0-1 1,503 13
17. Massachusetts Minutemen 1-1 1,346 17
18. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1-0 1,089 21
19. Texas State Bobcats 1-0 977 19
20. Maine Black Bears 2-0 973 20
21. Eastern Washington Eagles 1-1 572 18
22. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 0-1 505 22
23. Holy Cross Crusaders 2-0 476 25
24. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 0-2 471 23
25. Harvard Crimson 0-0 267 24
Others receiving votes: Eastern Illinois 241, Liberty 205, Florida A&M 182, Delaware 177, Furman 124, Colgate 100, Grambling 89, Hofstra 82, Alabama A&M 77, Samford 71, Montana State 64, Youngstown State 53, Penn 52, Northern Arizona 45, Gardner-Webb 42, Brown 36, Prairie View A&M 33, Stephen F. Austin 28, Western Illinois 26, Valparaiso 23, Sam Houston State 19, Southern 18, Georg State 2, Saint Francis (PA) 2, Murray State 1, San Diego 1, Yale 1.

W....T.....H.....especially Georgia State. xlolx

[89Hen]

Who is the idiot that gave San Diego a vote? That team isn't any good, they got pounded by UNC this week.


How can anyone to take this poll seriously. Its a shame the NCAA views this as the "official" poll.

Mr. C - I hate to call you out on this but you've got to get this thing under control. Its becoming more and more apparent that the TSN poll isn't in any way audited.
Holy crap, I didn't even notice San Diego and GEORGIA STATE????


xlolx xlolx xlolx Everybody on the street DUCK... the credibility of the TSN Poll was just thrown out the window. xlolx xlolx xlolx

[PantherRob82]

Georgia STATE? xeekx Have they even started play?

St Francis (PA)? 2-0, but come on folks. xwhistlex

ST F is 1-1

[UNCBears2010]

Holy crap, I didn't even notice San Diego and GEORGIA STATE????


xlolx xlolx xlolx Everybody on the street DUCK... the credibility of the TSN Poll was just thrown out the window. xlolx xlolx xlolx

It's bad enough that San Diego got a vote, but the team that just beat them by 3 touchdowns didn't. WTF?

[TexasTerror]

I just sent Coulson an e-mail...

I voted Southeastern La. at No. 25 for the second straight week and they are not appearing on the poll results...perhaps they are 'Georg State' or whatever that is.

[89Hen]

I voted Southeastern La. at No. 25 for the second straight week
Southland homer. :p

[RabidRabbit]

ST F is 1-1

All the more reason to NOT vote for them.

[Ronbo]

no crazier then Montana actually MOVING UP xsmhxxsmhxxsmhxxsmhx

Dude, we go to the semi's or finals every couple years. UNH chokes in the 1st or 2nd round. Till someone besides Richmond beats us we have no reason to drop.

[GeauxLions94]

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm

1. Richmond Spiders (122) 2-0 3,607 1
2. Villanova Wildcats (13) 2-0 3,369 3
3. Northern Iowa Panthers (6) 1-1 3,271 4
4. Montana Grizzlies 2-0 3,075 5
5. William & Mary Tribe (2) 2-0 2,865 7
6. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 2-0 2,701 9
7. James Madison Dukes 0-1 2,618 6
8. McNeese State Cowboys (1) 2-0 2,358 16
9. Southern Illinois Salukis 0-1 2,296 8
10. Appalachian State Mountaineers 0-2 2,241 2
11. Elon Phoenix 2-0 2,219 10
12. Cal Poly Mustangs 1-0 1,885 12
13. Weber State Wildcats 0-2 1,719 11
14. Wofford Terriers 1-1 1,612 14
15. South Carolina State Bulldogs (1) 2-0 1,515 15
16. Central Arkansas Bears 0-1 1,503 13
17. Massachusetts Minutemen 1-1 1,346 17
18. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1-0 1,089 21
19. Texas State Bobcats 1-0 977 19
20. Maine Black Bears 2-0 973 20
21. Eastern Washington Eagles 1-1 572 18
22. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 0-1 505 22
23. Holy Cross Crusaders 2-0 476 25
24. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 0-2 471 23
25. Harvard Crimson 0-0 267 24
Others receiving votes: Eastern Illinois 241, Liberty 205, Florida A&M 182, Delaware 177, Furman 124, Colgate 100, Grambling 89, Hofstra 82, Alabama A&M 77, Samford 71, Montana State 64, Youngstown State 53, Penn 52, Northern Arizona 45, Gardner-Webb 42, Brown 36, Prairie View A&M 33, Stephen F. Austin 28, Western Illinois 26, Valparaiso 23, Sam Houston State 19, Southern 18, Georg State 2, Saint Francis (PA) 2, Murray State 1, San Diego 1, Yale 1.

In no particular order of importance ...
1. Who gave SCSU the first-place vote (err, scratch that)?
2. How does Harvard get in when it hasn't played a game yet?
3. How does Stephen F. Austin gain points when it beats Texas (College), 92-0?
4. How does Valpo get 23 votes?
5. Georgia State? St. Francis of PA? Hell, I'd put ODU in ahead of them

[GeauxLions94]

I just sent Coulson an e-mail...

I voted Southeastern La. at No. 25 for the second straight week and they are not appearing on the poll results...perhaps they are 'Georg State' or whatever that is.


Southland homer. :p

Great voter xthumbsupx xwhistlex :p

[PantherRob82]

Till someone besides Richmond beats us we have no reason to drop.

Besides not thinking you're a top 5 team. xwhistlex

[TexasTerror]

UPDATE

Look for a re-release. Just got this e-mail from Dave Coulson after I notified him of some teams missing from my ballot...

"There was some sort of computer glitch in our system that cut out some of the names of teams receiving votess. We are correcting it now. Thanks for pointing this out."

[danefan]

UPDATE

Look for a re-release. Just got this e-mail from Dave Coulson after I notified him of some teams missing from my ballot...

"There was some sort of computer glitch in our system that cut out some of the names of teams receiving votess. We are correcting it now. Thanks for pointing this out."


But still included Georgia State?

How can a poll be taken seriously when its not audited?

[TexasTerror]

But still included Georgia State? How can a poll be taken seriously when its not audited?

Not sure what the issue is...they have not mailed out the poll to their mailing list and are working through it.

Confused how Georgia State of all teams got in, but they'll get a new poll out shortly...

[Ronbo]

Besides not thinking you're a top 5 team. xwhistlex


When you beat us you can crow. Till then it's just speculation that you might be better. That's the mistake that takes us so far every year. You elites in the east underestimating us.

[danefan]

Not sure what the issue is...they have not mailed out the poll to their mailing list and are working through it.

Confused how Georgia State of all teams got in, but they'll get a new poll out shortly...

Perhaps its supposed to be Georgia Southern?

[WrenFGun]

When you beat us you can crow. Till then it's just speculation that you might be better. That's the mistake that takes us so far every year. You elites in the east underestimating us.

Actually, since last year means nothing for this year, it is inexplicable that Montana moved up after their poor performance to start the year..

[siuham]

Perhaps its supposed to be Georgia Southern?

Probably people who wanted to vote for Georgia Southern but are just too bat**** retarded to figure out Georgia State != Georgia Southern.

[WestCoastAggie]

xnutsx
xwhistlex xwhistlex

[89Hen]

"There was some sort of computer glitch in our system that cut out some of the names of teams receiving votess. We are correcting it now. Thanks for pointing this out."
I'm not worried about the ones cut off, I'm worried about the ones added. xlolx

[PantherRob82]

When you beat us you can crow. Till then it's just speculation that you might be better. That's the mistake that takes us so far every year. You elites in the east underestimating us.

I'm not crowing about UNI. As a fan of FCS football who has watched almost all the top teams, Montana is not a Top 5 team IMO at this time. xpeacex

[PantherRob82]

Probably people who wanted to vote for Georgia Southern but are just too bat**** retarded to figure out Georgia State != Georgia Southern.

Why is Georgia State even listed?

[89Hen]

xwhistlex xwhistlex
You? xeyebrowx

[purplepeopleeaterv2]

When you beat us you can crow. Till then it's just speculation that you might be better. That's the mistake that takes us so far every year. You elites in the east underestimating us.

Not underestimating Montana per say........just that HUGE O Line. That said Montana should not have moved up. Stayed in place but not moved up.

[TexasTerror]

UPDATED POLL...

1. Richmond Spiders (122) 2-0 3,607 1
2. Villanova Wildcats (13) 2-0 3,369 3
3. Northern Iowa Panthers (6) 1-1 3,271 4
4. Montana Grizzlies 2-0 3,075 5
5. William & Mary Tribe (2) 2-0 2,865 7
6. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 2-0 2,701 9
7. James Madison Dukes 0-1 2,618 6
8. McNeese State Cowboys (1) 2-0 2,358 16
9. Southern Illinois Salukis 0-1 2,296 8
10. Appalachian State Mountaineers 0-2 2,241 2
11. Elon Phoenix 2-0 2,219 10
12. Cal Poly Mustangs 1-0 1,885 12
13. Weber State Wildcats 0-2 1,719 11
14. Wofford Terriers 1-1 1,612 14
15. South Carolina State Bulldogs (1) 2-0 1,515 15
16. Central Arkansas Bears 0-1 1,503 13
17. Massachusetts Minutemen 1-1 1,346 17
18. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1-0 1,089 21
19. Texas State Bobcats 1-0 977 19
20. Maine Black Bears 2-0 973 20
21. Eastern Washington Eagles 1-1 572 18
22. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 0-1 505 22
23. Holy Cross Crusaders 2-0 476 25
24. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 0-2 471 23
25. Harvard Crimson 0-0 267 24
Others receiving votes: Eastern Illinois 241, Liberty 205, Florida A&M 182, Delaware 177, Furman 124, Colgate 100, Grambling St. 89, Hofstra 82, Alabama A&M 77, Samford 71, Montana St. 64, Youngstown St. 53, Pennsylvania 52, Northern Arizona 45, Gardner-Webb 42, Brown 36, Prairie View A&M 33, Stephen F. Austin 28, Western Illinois 26, Valparaiso 23, Sam Houston St. 19, Southern 18, Georgia Southern 15, Tennessee St. 15, Tennessee-Martin 13, Butler 12, Lafayette 8, Southeastern Louisiana 8, North Carolina A&T 7, North Dakota State 7, Alabama State 6, Jackson State 6, North Dakota 6, The Citadel 5, Albany 4, Drake 4, Rhode Island 4, Northern Colorado 3, Tennessee Tech 3, Missouri St. 2, Saint Francis 2, Murray St. 1, San Diego 1, Yale 1

[bluehenbillk]

Too funny with the non-updated poll having Georgia State in it.

Too High...

SC State
App St
Holy Cross
Harvard

Too Low...

Elon
UCA
SD State

Amusing...

Just read the others receiving votes, I count 27 teams listed that I couldn't fathom putting in my Top 25.

[89Hen]

UPDATED POLL...

15. South Carolina State Bulldogs (1) 2-0 1,515 15

Others receiving votes: Valparaiso 23, Butler 12, North Dakota State 7, Jackson State 6, North Dakota 6, Albany 4, Drake 4, Rhode Island 4, Tennessee Tech 3, Missouri St. 2, Saint Francis 2, Murray St. 1, San Diego 1
Still ZERO credibility as far as I'm concerned.

[danefan]

Who in their right mind is still voting for Albany?

And voting for Valpo?

The top 25 isn't bad, but putting these crazy votes in the ORV category takes away from what could be a decent poll.

TSN would be better off not listing them.

[WestCoastAggie]

Ok, who the F*** VOTED FOR MURRAY STATE? This proves that 89Hen is right! Everybody is voting for their own teams in these polls!

[wideright82]

Who in their right mind is still voting for Albany?

And voting for Valpo?

The top 25 isn't bad, but putting these crazy votes in the ORV category takes away from what could be a decent poll.

TSN would be better off not listing them.

xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolx xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolx

[WMTribe90]

Not sure any team that gets beat 59-7 should be in the FCS top 25. I know Cal is good team, but a top 25 FCS team should still be able to keep it closer than 53 points.

[BearIt]

Not underestimating Montana per say........just that HUGE O Line. That said Montana should not have moved up. Stayed in place but not moved up.

They moved up because App State dropped down. Who do you feel should leap MT to keep them at #5?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Not sure any team that gets beat 59-7 should be in the FCS top 25. I know Cal is good team, but a top 25 FCS team should still be able to keep it closer than 53 points.

Not sure W&M has a math department. xcoffeex

Cal is a legit contender for the National Championship. They also pulled their starters almost a quarter after we pulled ours because the game was out of reach. They felt they needed to run up the score to make it look more impressive.

[JSU02]

2. How does Harvard get in when it hasn't played a game yet?


Has Harvard ever not been in the poll? xlolx I can't remember any poll in the last 11 years that didnt have Harvard in it. xrolleyesx

[danefan]

Has Harvard ever not been in the poll? xlolx I can't remember any poll in the last 11 years that didnt have Harvard in it. xrolleyesx

Its a way to kiss ass......people figure its a pretty good chance that one day they'll be working for someone that went to Harvard and they'll be able to say - I always voted for you guys in the Top 25. I swear I did. xrolleyesxxrolleyesxxrolleyesx


In all seriousness I've been trying to figure this out for 4 years now. I've come to the conlusion that voting for the Ivy league teams is a knee-jerk reaction for people. They do it because its an easy vote (it will rarely, if ever, get tested against other Top 25 teams) - not because they've actually taken the time to evaluate it.

[danefan]

xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolx xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolx


Figured you'd like that. one.......xsmiley_wix

[TTUEagles]

Why even bother including the "others receiving votes." Spurrier used to vote Duke in every year just for fun, so "others" doesn't have a lot of cred., anyway. Stop it at top 25, MAYBE only include the top 3-4 receiving votes. A lot of teams on there are nowhere near the top 25 (TTU, Murray, etc.)...

[UNCBears2010]

3 votes for UNC!xhurrayxxhurrayxxhurrayx

[THE HERD]

Frickin Valpo is non scholarship arent they. NDSU played them our first year of transition and absolutely crushed them. They looked like and NAIA team out there, but then what could be expected of a non scholarship team. Are they still non scholarship??

[GannonFan]

The Georgia St. thing is too funny. The school won't even play a down of football until next season and they are already getting votes. Sheesh, and we thought their fans are pretty full of themselves already - wait until they hear about this. xlolx

[danefan]

Frickin Valpo is non scholarship arent they. NDSU played them our first year of transition and absolutely crushed them. They looked like and NAIA team out there, but then what could be expected of a non scholarship team. Are they still non scholarship??


Yes - PFL team. And they have a loss to a DII school.

I'm thinking that someone ranked them very high in their poll which leads to the 23 points. I don't think they had 23 votes.

[URMite]

So Georg St = Missouri St somehow? xconfusedx

[smallcollegefbfan]

How can anyone to take this poll seriously. Its a shame the NCAA views this as the "official" poll.

Mr. C - I hate to call you out on this but you've got to get this thing under control. Its becoming more and more apparent that the TSN poll isn't in any way audited.

I think that is a typo. There is no way to vote for Georgia State in the automated system we now use. I am sure that is a typo or glitch.

[MSUBear42]

How is UT-Martin ranked ahead of MSU who outplayed them on Saturday with one of our worst offensive games in the last 3 years? Makes no sense.

[MSUBear42]

So Georg St = Missouri St somehow? xconfusedx

??




Anyways, How is UT-Martin ranked ahead of MSU who outplayed them on Saturday with one of our worst offensive games in the last 3 years? Makes no sense.

[Mr. C]

For the record, Georgia State was never part of the Top-25 poll released by The Sports Network today. It is not even possible for Georgia State to receive votes in the TSN Top-25 poll. Due to some sort of programming glitch, the others receiving votes category in the poll was listed incorrectly for a matter of minutes this afternoon. It was quickly corrected to reflect the actual vote totals of all teams that received votes. Again, no voter from our ranks voted for Georgia State and there is absolutely no way for anyone to do so in our automated system. Our voters, which include SIDs, broadcasters, writers and other FCS experts, are free to vote for any of the 125 teams in FCS. The poll that was listed as our poll was not even the officially released poll that went out to hundreds of media outlets this afternoon.

[Mr. C]

Sports Network's FCS College Football Poll

Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Richmond Spiders (122) 2-0 3,607 1
2. Villanova Wildcats (13) 2-0 3,369 3
3. Northern Iowa Panthers (6) 1-1 3,271 4
4. Montana Grizzlies 2-0 3,075 5
5. William & Mary Tribe (2) 2-0 2,865 7
6. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 2-0 2,701 9
7. James Madison Dukes 0-1 2,618 6
8. McNeese State Cowboys (1) 2-0 2,358 16
9. Southern Illinois Salukis 0-1 2,296 8
10. Appalachian State Mountaineers 0-2 2,241 2
11. Elon Phoenix 2-0 2,219 10
12. Cal Poly Mustangs 1-0 1,885 12
13. Weber State Wildcats 0-2 1,719 11
14. Wofford Terriers 1-1 1,612 14
15. South Carolina State Bulldogs (1) 2-0 1,515 15
16. Central Arkansas Bears 0-1 1,503 13
17. Massachusetts Minutemen 1-1 1,346 17
18. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1-0 1,089 21
19. Texas State Bobcats 1-0 977 19
20. Maine Black Bears 2-0 973 20
21. Eastern Washington Eagles 1-1 572 18
22. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 0-1 505 22
23. Holy Cross Crusaders 2-0 476 25
24. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 0-2 471 23
25. Harvard Crimson 0-0 267 24
Others receiving votes: Eastern Illinois 241, Liberty 205, Florida A&M 182, Delaware 177, Furman 124, Colgate 100, Grambling St. 89, Hofstra 82, Alabama A&M 77, Samford 71, Montana St. 64, Youngstown St. 53, Pennsylvania 52, Northern Arizona 45, Gardner-Webb 42, Brown 36, Prairie View A&M 33, Stephen F. Austin 28, Western Illinois 26, Valparaiso 23, Sam Houston St. 19, Southern 18, Georgia Southern 15, Tennessee St. 15, Tennessee-Martin 13, Butler 12, Lafayette 8, Southeastern Louisiana 8, North Carolina A&T 7, North Dakota State 7, Alabama State 6, Jackson State 6, North Dakota 6, The Citadel 5, Albany 4, Drake 4, Rhode Island 4, Northern Colorado 3, Tennessee Tech 3, Missouri St. 2, Saint Francis 2, Murray St. 1, San Diego 1, Yale 1
As of September 14, 2009, at 02:34 PM ET

[crusader11]

Valparaiso receiving more votes than Georgia Southern? Yeah, ok....

[PantherRob82]

Our voters, which include SIDs, broadcasters, writers and other FCS experts, are free to vote for any of the 125 teams in FCS. The poll that was listed as our poll was not even the officially released poll that went out to hundreds of media outlets this afternoon.

Some of your voters are idiots and need to be removed. No disrespect to your work.

[Hoyadestroya85]

Some of your voters are idiots and need to be removed. No disrespect to your work.

These polls are entirely subjective.. You yourself have criticized early season polls for being guesswork and that is basically what people are working with at this point in the season. Don't call someone an idiot because they hold a different opinion than the one you yourself have.

[HensRock]

Are the teams selected from a drop-down list?

Maybe someone intended to vote Villanova at #3 and their mouse slipped to Valparaiso. That single slip would give Valpo 23 points.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Are the teams selected from a drop-down list?

Maybe someone intended to vote Villanova at #3 and their mouse slipped to Valparaiso. That single slip would give Valpo 23 points.

I would say that likely happened but Mr. C has to approve ballots so I would guess that just several people voted Valpo in the 22-25 range. If just 7 people vote them there that is 21 points and then one votes them at 24 to give them 23 points. When you have 145 voters that is possible.

[ngineer]

Very disappointing. Plus, how does Harvard get votes to be in top 25 when it hasn't played yet. Same as Coach's Poll. I never understand that. Let them play a game and see what they got.

As someone mentioned on another thread. I think there should be no polls until first weekend in October. This is all meaningless crap and just makes us spend a lot of time talking about meaningless crap.xsmhx

[ngineer]

Are the teams selected from a drop-down list?

Maybe someone intended to vote Villanova at #3 and their mouse slipped to Valparaiso. That single slip would give Valpo 23 points.

That's why we have Poll Committee ( who takes their job very seriously) in checking on aberrations like that.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Very disappointing. Plus, how does Harvard get votes to be in top 25 when it hasn't played yet. Same as Coach's Poll. I never understand that. Let them play a game and see what they got.

As someone mentioned on another thread. I think there should be no polls until first weekend in October. This is all meaningless crap and just makes us spend a lot of time talking about meaningless crap.xsmhx

The answer to that is simple. Many people had Harvard in their preseason top 25. I had them in mine at #25 and I have not taken them out because they have not played yet. That would be like not voting App State this week at all because they aren't playing. If we vote on the top 25 by week then any time a team has a bye week we would not vote them. I think if you have Harvard in your preseason vote you should not drop them until they lose but you should also not move them up until they have played and shown they should be moved up. Harvard actually dropped a spot, showing that voters are at least not slotting them up and letting teams who have proven they deserve to move up jump ahead of them.

[SFspidur]

So Georg St = Missouri St somehow? xconfusedx

If you look at both the original listing and the new one, you can see that some content near the end of the ORV section in the original listing was somehow deleted.

Looking at the corrected poll, Georgia Southern had 15 votes, and then there are a whole bunch of teams listed after that until you get down to Missouri State with 2 votes. Delete that big chunk (including parts of the Georgia Southern and Missouri State entries) in the middle, and you see how a phantom hybrid "Georg State 2" listing was created.

[smallcollegefbfan]

If you look at both the original listing and the new one, you can see that some content near the end of the ORV section in the original listing was somehow deleted.

Looking at the corrected poll, Georgia Southern had 15 votes, and then there are a whole bunch of teams listed after that until you get down to Missouri State with 2 votes. Delete that big chunk (including parts of the Georgia Southern and Missouri State entries) in the middle, and you see how a phantom hybrid "Georg State 2" listing was created.

And if people notice it had to be a glitch because it said "Georg" not "Georgia". Looks like something happened in the system and it combined Georgia Southern and Missouri State.

[Benne]

Actually, since last year means nothing for this year, it is inexplicable that Montana moved up after their poor performance to start the year..

2-0 xconfusedx

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

UPDATED POLL...

1. Richmond Spiders (122) 2-0 3,607 1
2. Villanova Wildcats (13) 2-0 3,369 3
3. Northern Iowa Panthers (6) 1-1 3,271 4
4. Montana Grizzlies 2-0 3,075 5
5. William & Mary Tribe (2) 2-0 2,865 7
6. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 2-0 2,701 9
7. James Madison Dukes 0-1 2,618 6
8. McNeese State Cowboys (1) 2-0 2,358 16
9. Southern Illinois Salukis 0-1 2,296 8
10. Appalachian State Mountaineers 0-2 2,241 2
11. Elon Phoenix 2-0 2,219 10
12. Cal Poly Mustangs 1-0 1,885 12
13. Weber State Wildcats 0-2 1,719 11
14. Wofford Terriers 1-1 1,612 14
15. South Carolina State Bulldogs (1) 2-0 1,515 15
16. Central Arkansas Bears 0-1 1,503 13
17. Massachusetts Minutemen 1-1 1,346 17
18. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1-0 1,089 21
19. Texas State Bobcats 1-0 977 19
20. Maine Black Bears 2-0 973 20
21. Eastern Washington Eagles 1-1 572 18
22. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 0-1 505 22
23. Holy Cross Crusaders 2-0 476 25
24. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 0-2 471 23
25. Harvard Crimson 0-0 267 24
Others receiving votes: Eastern Illinois 241, Liberty 205, Florida A&M 182, Delaware 177, Furman 124, Colgate 100, Grambling St. 89, Hofstra 82, Alabama A&M 77, Samford 71, Montana St. 64, Youngstown St. 53, Pennsylvania 52, Northern Arizona 45, Gardner-Webb 42, Brown 36, Prairie View A&M 33, Stephen F. Austin 28, Western Illinois 26, Valparaiso 23, Sam Houston St. 19, Southern 18, Georgia Southern 15, Tennessee St. 15, Tennessee-Martin 13, Butler 12, Lafayette 8, Southeastern Louisiana 8, North Carolina A&T 7, North Dakota State 7, Alabama State 6, Jackson State 6, North Dakota 6, The Citadel 5, Albany 4, Drake 4, Rhode Island 4, Northern Colorado 3, Tennessee Tech 3, Missouri St. 2, Saint Francis 2, Murray St. 1, San Diego 1, Yale 1

It is decreed by me upon this day the 15th of September 2009 AD that the Any Given Saturday Poll shall have the most credibility among all poll rankings for the National Collegiate Athletic Association's Division I Football Championship Subdivision.

signed,
FCS_pwns_FBS

[HensRock]

That's why we have Poll Committee ( who takes their job very seriously) in checking on aberrations like that.

Sorry, I thought we had already established that the TSN poll either doesn't have a committee or they do not take their job very seriously. Or are you refering to the AGS Poll?

If Valpo showed up on 20+ ballots they've got a real problem. I think it is much more likely that 1 polster had them at #3 and no one caught it. I say, Check that ballot for Villanova.

[89Hen]

Sorry, I thought we had already established that the TSN poll either doesn't have a committee or they do not take their job very seriously. Or are you refering to the AGS Poll?

If Valpo showed up on 20+ ballots they've got a real problem. I think it is much more likely that 1 polster had them at #3 and no one caught it. I say, Check that ballot for Villanova.
xnodx Much larger problem if multiple people in the TSN Poll are voting for Valpo. Like I said, credibility shot if that's the case.

[malibudude]

Are the teams selected from a drop-down list?

Maybe someone intended to vote Villanova at #3 and their mouse slipped to Valparaiso. That single slip would give Valpo 23 points.

Yes. The poll is now a feature on Club Penguin. Waddle around, make friends and vote.

[danefan]

Yes. The poll is now a feature on Club Penguin. Waddle around, make friends and vote.


make sure you show your press credentials and you too can get a member badge.

http://community.clubpenguin.com/blog/2009/01/20/member.jpg

[carney2]

2. How does Harvard get in when it hasn't played a game yet?

How does anyone get in before they play a game (and 25 teams did at one point)?

[89Hen]

How does anyone get in before they play a game (and 25 teams did at one point)?
It's called pre-season for a reason. xpeacex

[Rekdiver]

I do not believe I'm in a position to agrue anything at this point! Looking for some street cred.............

[Ivytalk]

In no particular order of importance ...
1. Who gave SCSU the first-place vote (err, scratch that)?
2. How does Harvard get in when it hasn't played a game yet?3. How does Stephen F. Austin gain points when it beats Texas (College), 92-0?
4. How does Valpo get 23 votes?
5. Georgia State? St. Francis of PA? Hell, I'd put ODU in ahead of them

Good breeding!:D

[Ivytalk]

Very disappointing. Plus, how does Harvard get votes to be in top 25 when it hasn't played yet. Same as Coach's Poll. I never understand that. Let them play a game and see what they got.

As someone mentioned on another thread. I think there should be no polls until first weekend in October. This is all meaningless crap and just makes us spend a lot of time talking about meaningless crap.xsmhx

You'll find out on October 3, ng!:D

[benuski]

My favorite part is from the TSN article about the poll:


William & Mary (2-0), which was ranked 14th in the preseason, continued its rise, moving up two spots from seventh to fifth during an off-week. The Tribe stunned BCS school Virginia 26-14 the previous week

I mean, I know CCSU isn't from an AQ conference, but they're not THAT bad....xsmiley_wix

[jmufan999]

anyone ever noticed where Mr. C (Dave Coulson) is from? Boone, NC.

yes, i'm sure he's completely objective. his articles are always incredibly informative and accurate. and also, up is down.

[PantherRob82]

These polls are entirely subjective.. You yourself have criticized early season polls for being guesswork and that is basically what people are working with at this point in the season. Don't call someone an idiot because they hold a different opinion than the one you yourself have.

How do you vote for San Diego, a non scholly team, when they get beat by Northern Colorado? Yet that person did not vote for NoCo. Idiot.

[UNCBears2010]

How do you vote for San Diego, a non scholly team, when they get beat by Northern Colorado? Yet that person did not vote for NoCo. Idiot.

Agreed.