2003 Unoffical MLB Steroid List

[Gil Dobie]

Did I really see Barry Bonds on the list :o

Link (http://profilesblog.com/2009/06/2003-baseball-steroid-list/)

2003 Steroid List:
1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews

[GannonFan]

Considering the Phils weren't that good yet, not surprising that only Abreu shows up on the list for the Phils. And let's be honest, the Phils didn't start really getting better until they traded Abreu away so we never liked him anyway. xnodx

[OSBF]

Did I really see Barry Bonds on the list :o

Link (http://profilesblog.com/2009/06/2003-baseball-steroid-list/)

2003 Steroid List:

1.Nomar Garciaparra

12.Jerry Hairston

14.Alfonso Soriano

29.Milton Bradley

59.Derrek Lee

61.Terry Adams

68.Cliff Floyd

71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez

100.Luis Gonzalez

103.Gary Matthews

And the big winners are the Chicago Cubs. 19 out of 103, they cheat like fiends and still can't win.

[93henfan]

Considering the Phils weren't that good yet, not surprising that only Abreu shows up on the list for the Phils. And let's be honest, the Phils didn't start really getting better until they traded Abreu away so we never liked him anyway. xnodx

Good thing they didn't test the '93 squad. ;)

[GannonFan]

Good thing they didn't test the '93 squad. ;)

Didn't really need to waste the time testing that team - just off the top of my head guys I suspected even then - Dykstra, Daulton, Hollins, Inky, Wes Chamblerlain, and Danny Jackson (that whole Hulk Hogan, tearing the t-shirt thing always struck me as 'roid rage). The only two guys I would've felt confident weren't juicing was Kruk (no way you are that fat and doing 'roids) and Stocker (first because he was a late call-up and second because he was a shrimp). Still fun to watch that team though!! xlolx

[LacesOut]

More pitchers on there than I thought there would be.

[tribe_pride]

Not that these names aren't the ones but I don't see any of the major sports sites reporting this. Until they do, I will be somewhat skeptical that this is the real list since there was an early release before the Mitchell Report was released and that list turned out to be wrong.

Although nice to see that Pujols is not on the list.

[Gil Dobie]

Not that these names aren't the ones but I don't see any of the major sports sites reporting this. Until they do, I will be somewhat skeptical that this is the real list since there was an early release before the Mitchell Report was released and that list turned out to be wrong.

Although nice to see that Pujols is not on the list.

therefore unofficial list ;) xpeacex

[tribe_pride]

therefore unofficial list ;) xpeacex

Not arguing with you there and if I'd seen it, I probably would have posted it as well.

I just expected when I went to ESPN, Yahoo Sports or CBS Sports I would have seen something about it and was surprised when I didn't.

[93henfan]

Not arguing with you there and if I'd seen it, I probably would have posted it as well.

I just expected when I went to ESPN, Yahoo Sports or CBS Sports I would have seen something about it and was surprised when I didn't.

This information is under court seal, so any of those sources releasing it would constitute a crime.

The linked site carefully words its story so as to avoid naming a source or confirming the information.

[OSBF]

Kris Benson...............

No wonder Anna seems pissed all the time, she isn't geting any because her hubby's manhood now looks like a #2 pencil and a couple of rasins.

[ISUMatt]

Oh no, not Todd Helton...another good guy bites the dust

[Go...gate]

Several present and former Mets on there...

[UNHWildCats]

This information is under court seal, so any of those sources releasing it would constitute a crime.

The linked site carefully words its story so as to avoid naming a source or confirming the information.
bullcrap. If the New York Times can list Manny and Ortiz theres no reason any major news source wouldnt report this list if it was real.

[UMass922]

I've had ESPN on much of the day and have yet to hear a word about this. Even an "unofficial" version of the list ought to be making news, one would think. Hard for me to take this seriously yet.

[tribe_pride]

bullcrap. If the New York Times can list Manny and Ortiz theres no reason any major news source wouldnt report this list if it was real.

There is no problem with the New York Times or any other news organization releasing names that they have heard.

93Hen was talking about those involved such as MLB, the Unions, their attorneys, etc. The court has prevented them from releasing the names.

[tribe_pride]

Sorry for the double post but I figured this one needed its own post. If you go to the link below (same website as the other one just a different page), it shows that the list was posted on June 30 of this year.

http://profilesblog.com/2009/06/

[appfan2008]

where did you get that list... i dont believe that thing for an instant

[NHwildEcat]

I have heard of a few different lists and there is no reason to believe any of them...

But I say what does it even matter...its all about the entertainment!!

[Gil Dobie]

where did you get that list... i dont believe that thing for an instant

It's all over the internet, and it's unconfirmed and rumored and unofficial, but something to discuss.

Link July 30 List (http://www.rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=380)

[PhoenixSupreme]

And the big winners are the Chicago Cubs. 19 out of 103, they cheat like fiends and still can't win.

You forgot Jeromy Burnitz and Rafael Palmeiro from the list (although Palmeiro played with the Cubbies in the late 80s)

[SuperJon]

Here's why this list is crap:

Every person on there was either a star or at least a known "name."

There's not a single, "Wait, who was he again?" guy on that list.

[Dukie95]

Here's why this list is crap:

Every person on there was either a star or at least a known "name."

There's not a single, "Wait, who was he again?" guy on that list.

I've never heard of Valerio de los Santos or Dan Smith.

[OSBF]

You forgot Jeromy Burnitz and Rafael Palmeiro from the list (although Palmeiro played with the Cubbies in the late 80s)


good catch, forgot those 2, was going off memory, didn't take the time to look anyone up.

[OSBF]

But I say what does it even matter...its all about the entertainment!!

This isn't pro wrasslin', it's called respect for the game and being a professional when you go about your business.

[NHwildEcat]

This isn't pro wrasslin', it's called respect for the game and being a professional when you go about your business.

When has baseball ever been pure? Was it when the Blacks could not play? I know what you are saying but I think you are off on it. The fact that only in baseball does a failed drug test, when there was no rules within the sport, matter. You get a failed test in basketball and no one blinks an eye...it shouldn't be so different for this game either...

A lot, not all, of people have forgotten that steroids dug baseball out of the hole it created after the strike. McGwire and Sosa helped put the game back on top (excluding football) and no one cared 10 years ago. But all of a sudden people are so ashamed and shocked that players could cheat, when in fact the fans were pushing this movement by supporting these athletes and idolizing them!!

[Gil Dobie]

Here's why this list is crap:

Every person on there was either a star or at least a known "name."

There's not a single, "Wait, who was he again?" guy on that list.

I see 36 that I would call stars. Maybe that's why they are known, because PED's got them to the that level. xoopsx

[AppAlum2003]

And the big winners are the Chicago Cubs. 19 out of 103, they cheat like fiends and still can't win.


I decided that after yesterday's game, I can't watch anymore this season. It's too demoralizing. xbawlingx


Who is the Bears first pre-season opponent? :D

[OSBF]

A lot, not all, of people have forgotten that steroids dug baseball out of the hole it created after the strike. McGwire and Sosa helped put the game back on top (excluding football) and no one cared 10 years ago.

Baseball pureists cared. Those that would 100% rather watch a 1-0 or a 2-1 game played in 2 hours than a 9-7 game that takes over 3 hours. Steroid baseball was (is) bad baseball. You are already seeing the game return, hitting behind the runner, the sac bunt, skills and strategy that this great game has been devoid of for 10-15 years.

[OSBF]

I decided that after yesterday's game, I can't watch anymore this season. It's too demoralizing. xbawlingx


Who is the Bears first pre-season opponent? :D

They're still the best team in the division, and the division is theirs to have, if they decide they're going to take it.

[NHwildEcat]

Baseball pureists cared. Those that would 100% rather watch a 1-0 or a 2-1 game played in 2 hours than a 9-7 game that takes over 3 hours. Steroid baseball was (is) bad baseball. You are already seeing the game return, hitting behind the runner, the sac bunt, skills and strategy that this great game has been devoid of for 10-15 years.

I agree steroids baseball was (is) bad. No doubt about that...but I think with the recent surge in attendance since the last lockout, most baseball fans certainly are not purists. And I would have to think that some of those purists have taken a step back from the game because of how it has been. But for fradulent lists like this to circulate it also does the game no good. There needs to be something done by the players association that allows for everyone to move past this error.

As a side note, these guys should be allowed into the HOF. This was an error of baseball...and baseball has always had players and managers trying to cheat out wins one way or another...whether that be putting a little something on the ball or whatever else. I know MOST people will disagree with that statement and that is fine, but you cannot ignore the past 20 years!

[OSBF]

I agree steroids baseball was (is) bad. No doubt about that...but I think with the recent surge in attendance since the last lockout, most baseball fans certainly are not purists. And I would have to think that some of those purists have taken a step back from the game because of how it has been. But for fradulent lists like this to circulate it also does the game no good. There needs to be something done by the players association that allows for everyone to move past this error.

As a side note, these guys should be allowed into the HOF. This was an error of baseball...and baseball has always had players and managers trying to cheat out wins one way or another...whether that be putting a little something on the ball or whatever else. I know MOST people will disagree with that statement and that is fine, but you cannot ignore the past 20 years!

Gamesmanship such as doctoring/scuffing a ball or using a loaded bat vs. turning yourself into a science project are apples to oranges different. Everyone of these guys needs to be outed for the lowlife cheats and common criminals that they are. If you got caught using illegal drugs, say meth or crack, would you expect your employer to conspire with you to hide it and shield you from the law?

There is one very inconvenient factoid that the let's just move on camp forgets......PED use was ILLEGAL according to state and federal law. Posession and distribution of these things is a FELONY.

It was and is a waaaay bigger deal than you're making it out to be.

[NHwildEcat]

Gamesmanship such as doctoring/scuffing a ball or using a loaded bat vs. turning yourself into a science project are apples to oranges different. Everyone of these guys needs to be outed for the lowlife cheats and common criminals that they are. If you got caught using illegal drugs, say meth or crack, would you expect your employer to conspire with you to hide it and shield you from the law?

There is one very inconvenient factoid that the let's just move on camp forgets......PED use was ILLEGAL according to state and federal law. Posession and distribution of these things is a FELONY.

It was and is a waaaay bigger deal than you're making it out to be.

Not all of the items that they test for are illegal in accordance with federal and state laws...

[OhioHen]

I decided that after yesterday's game, I can't watch anymore this season. It's too demoralizing. xbawlingx


Who is the Bears first pre-season opponent? :D

@ Buffalo - Saturday at 7:00 EDT.

[OSBF]

Not all of the items that they test for are illegal in accordance with federal and state laws...

You think these guys did what they did after a trip to the GNC store at the local strip mall?????????? xlolxxlolxxrotatehxxrotatehxxrotatehx

You are of course I'll assume aware that they are testing for the "legal" products for no other reason than they serve as masking agents for the "good" stuff?

The users are cheats, liars, common criminals, and likely felons.

[NHwildEcat]

You think these guys did what they did after a trip to the GNC store at the local strip mall?????????? xlolxxlolxxrotatehxxrotatehxxrotatehx

Since most of the guys who have been caught are fromthe Dominican, I certainly do believe that they got their "stuff" in a legal setting...now not all of it, and not everyone of them.

But, you're the purist so maybe you're right on this one...xwhistlex

[OSBF]

Since most of the guys who have been caught are fromthe Dominican, I certainly do believe that they got their "stuff" in a legal setting...now not all of it, and not everyone of them.

But, you're the purist so maybe you're right on this one...xwhistlex

Let me get this straight, are you actually making the case that if they shot up in the DR then came back here, that what they did is OK???????? Please dude don't go there.

[NHwildEcat]

Let me get this straight, are you actually making the case that if they shot up in the DR then came back here, that what they did is OK???????? Please dude don't go there.

That is NOT what I am saying. I am saying that we need to move forward, and not continue to look back on testing from 6 years ago to tell us what has happened in the game. Steroids are bad...no body is doubting that, but that is the past now...there is a testing program in place, let it do its work and we can get back to watching the games!!

[OSBF]

Since most of the guys who have been caught are fromthe Dominican, I certainly do believe that they got their "stuff" in a legal setting


Let me get this straight, are you actually making the case that if they shot up in the DR then came back here, that what they did is OK???????? Please dude don't go there.


That is NOT what I am saying.

Now I'm really really confused.

[NHwildEcat]

Now I'm really really confused.

What is so confusing? I am saying that it is NOT ok to take these substances. However, they are able to get them legally outside of the U.S.

You think I am saying that it makes it ok because it was outside of the country...which I am not.

[OSBF]

What is so confusing? I am saying that it is NOT ok to take these substances. However, they are able to get them legally outside of the U.S.

You think I am saying that it makes it ok because it was outside of the country...which I am not.


But you think we just pretend it didn't happen and put them in the HOF??

So......it was wrong, but we just ignore it, and put them in the HOF, have I grasped your position yet?

So you also agree that some if not most of these guys are guilty of a or perhaps multiple felonies such as controlled substance trafficing, posession with intent to distribute, etc etc etc. Sounds a little less "oh well ish" when you put it in the terms of what they were actually doing.

[NHwildEcat]

But you think we just pretend it didn't happen and put them in the HOF??

So......it was wrong, but we just ignore it, and put them in the HOF, have I grasped your position yet?

So you also agree that some if not most of these guys are guilty of a or perhaps multiple felonies such as controlled substance trafficing, posession with intent to distribute, etc etc etc. Sounds a little less "oh well ish" when you put it in the terms of what they were actually doing.

Yes, most of these guys are in fact guilty of multiple felonies in regards to this...however, it is not for MLB or the HOF to handle that. Let the feds take care of such matters.

All the HOF voters need to remember is a number of these very talented players had great stats during this era (both pitchers and hitters) and it would be wrong to not include any of these great players (PED's or not) from entering the hall. There needs to be some representation in the HOF from this era, and you can't just take "clean" guys because there is no telling who was and who wasn't.

[Gil Dobie]

A lot, not all, of people have forgotten that steroids dug baseball out of the hole it created after the strike. McGwire and Sosa helped put the game back on top (excluding football) and no one cared 10 years ago. But all of a sudden people are so ashamed and shocked that players could cheat, when in fact the fans were pushing this movement by supporting these athletes and idolizing them!!

I was really disappointed when I found out McGwire was using Andro. Many of these guys will eventually get in the hall of fame, but making them sweat it out for a few years is good. As far as records, you can't erase whats been done, but if an asterisk was used for Maris record in 1961, an asterisk can be used for known ped users that have records. Barry Bonds stats rate at some of the best of all-time, but in my mind he is still behind Willie Mays, Hank Aaron and Mickey Mantle etc, on the list of all-time greats. Had he not used ped's, that could have changed the perception.

[OSBF]

All the HOF voters need to remember is a number of these very talented players had great stats during this era (both pitchers and hitters) and it would be wrong to not include any of these great players (PED's or not) from entering the hall. There needs to be some representation in the HOF from this era, and you can't just take "clean" guys because there is no telling who was and who wasn't.

OK, now comes the real problem. We will all agree that Bonds and Clemmens were HOF'ers without PED's. But now the numbers are forever tainted. How many wins and strikeouts does anyone suggest we take away from The Rocket? Does he still have 300 wins without the juice or is his career effectively over when he leaves boston the first time? How many HR's and RBI's do we dock Bonds?

Tainted dirty numbers are a real problem for the HOF voters. I think there are 4 guys on the Mt Rushmore of PED's, Rocket, Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa. IMHO, The Rocket is the only one with a chance to get in the door.

[NHwildEcat]

OK, now comes the real problem. We will all agree that Bonds and Clemmens were HOF'ers without PED's. But now the numbers are forever tainted. How many wins and strikeouts does anyone suggest we take away from The Rocket? Does he still have 300 wins without the juice or is his career effectively over when he leaves boston the first time? How many HR's and RBI's do we dock Bonds?

Tainted dirty numbers are a real problem for the HOF voters. I think there are 4 guys on the Mt Rushmore of PED's, Rocket, Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa. IMHO, The Rocket is the only one with a chance to get in the door.

Yes, I would agree, Clemens is probably the most likely in...right or wrong. Barry Bonds is always considered the biggest offender because he has the HR record and has always had a bad attitude in general. He's a real prick. But I think if you look at the overall numbers from that time frame you have got to include all of them. Now sports writers, I am sure feel completly differntly but I think we all know some how they need to figure out what the "guidelines" are going to be for the individuals.

[OSBF]

I was really disappointed when I found out McGwire was using Andro. Many of these guys will eventually get in the hall of fame, but making them sweat it out for a few years is good. As far as records, you can't erase whats been done, but if an asterisk was used for Maris record in 1961, an asterisk can be used for known ped users that have records. Barry Bonds stats rate at some of the best of all-time, but in my mind he is still behind Willie Mays, Hank Aaron and Mickey Mantle etc, on the list of all-time greats. Had he not used ped's, that could have changed the perception.

Andro didn't bother me too much, it wasn't an illegal substance, you could go down to the local GNC and pick it up, and it wasn't on baseball's banned substance list.

I stayed home from work to watch his testimony in front of congress. I cried. I really really wanted to believe. I now realize I was just being delusional. Autographed #25 MLB "Authentics" jersey still hangs in the back of my closet, haven't let it see the light of day since.

I'm with you, my baseball heroes will always be Mays, Aaron, Mantle, and Musial.

[ISUMatt]

I dont think Clemens gets in now

[OSBF]

But I think if you look at the overall numbers from that time frame you have got to include all of them.

Why? You've conceeded that these guys are likely nothing more than un-convicted felons. You've conceeded that the numbers are tainted. How can you put them in baseballs most sacrad and hallowed place, the HOF?

THEY TOOK ILLEGAL MEANS TO ARTIFICIALLY CREATE THE NUMBERS THAT MAKE THEM HOF WORTHY!!!!!

They deserve to be enshrined, in a federal prison somewhere. Think of the softball team some fed cell block could field.

[OSBF]

I dont think Clemens gets in now

I hope you are 100% right. I hope none of 'em ever get in. If they do, it will be a verrrrrry long time.