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MACHIAVELLI
December 7th, 2005, 09:54 PM
Top 25 games in 1AA

1 Bethune-Cookman Florida A&M 19-NOV-05 70112 Fl. Classic
2 Alabama A&M Alabama St. 29-OCT-05 68238 Magic City Classic
3 Florida A&M Tennessee St. 24-SEP-05 56297 Atlanta Classic
4 Grambling Southern U. 26-NOV-05 53214 Bayou Classic
5 Yale Harvard 19-NOV-05 53213
6 Jackson St. Tennessee St. 10-SEP-05 48300 Southern Heritage Classic
7 Mississippi Val. Ark.-Pine Bluff 03-SEP-05 45000 Chicago Classic
8 Morgan St. Hampton 24-SEP-05 42738 Urban League Cl.
9 Tennessee St. N.C. A&T 01-OCT-05 42310 Circle City Classic
10 Morgan St. Savannah St. 17-SEP-05 40502 Ohio Classic
11 Ark.-Pine Bluff Tuskegee 24-SEP-05 35900 St. Louis Classic
12 Texas Southern Prairie View 25-NOV-05 28971 Labor Day Classic
13 Prairie View Grambling 01-OCT-05 27949 State Fair Classic
14 Florida A&M Norfolk St. 22-OCT-05 26988 FAMU Homecoming
15 Jackson St. Grambling 22-OCT-05 25879 JSU homecoming
16 Appalachian St. Western Caro. 12-NOV-05 25584
17 Jackson St. Alcorn St. 19-NOV-05 25473 Capital City Classic
18 Tennessee St. Alabama A&M 03-SEP-05 25342 John A. Merritt Classic
19 Alabama St. Southern U. 01-OCT-05 24811 Gulf Coast Classic
20 Southern U. Alabama A&M 08-OCT-05 24600 Southern Homecoming
21 Montana Weber St. 01-OCT-05 23773
22 Montana Eastern Wash. 15-OCT-05 23732
23 Montana Portland St. 29-OCT-05 23605
24 Montana Cal Poly 22-OCT-05 23565
25 Tennessee St. Eastern Ill. 05-NOV-05 23481 TSU homecoming


Top 25 1AA average attendance

1 Montana 22,479
2 Delaware 22,177
3 Yale 21,677
4 Southern 19,888
5 Appl State 19,800
6 GA Southern 16,241
7 FAMU 15,177
8 Tennessee State 15,023
9 NC A&T 14,610
10 Jackson St 14,597
11 Youngstown St 14,544
12 South Carolina St. 14,226
13 Alabama St. 14,182
14 Montana St. 13,710
15 James Madison 13,525
16 Western Ky. 12,798
17 Grambling St. 12,214
18 Texas State 12,204
19 Harvard 12,169
20 Norfolk St. 12,009
21 Citidal 11,674
22 Jacksonville St 11,389
23 Furman 11,652
24 Villanova 10,939
25 Missouri St. 10,664

AppGuy04
December 7th, 2005, 09:58 PM
counting playoffs:http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/attendance/IAA_AVGATTENDANCE.pdf

FargoBison
December 7th, 2005, 10:09 PM
Top 25 games in 1AA
Top 25 1AA average attendance

1 Montana 22,479
2 Delaware 22,177
3 Yale 21,677
4 Southern 19,888
5 Appl State 19,800
6 GA Southern 16,241
7 FAMU 15,177
8 Tennessee State 15,023
9 NC A&T 14,610
10 Jackson St 14,597
11 Youngstown St 14,544
12 South Carolina St. 14,226
13 Alabama St. 14,182
14 North Dakota St 14,160
15 Montana St. 13,710
16 James Madison 13,525
17 Western Ky. 12,798
18 Grambling St. 12,214
19 Texas State 12,204
20 Harvard 12,169
21 Norfolk St. 12,009
22 Citidal 11,674
23 Jacksonville St 11,389
24 Furman 11,652
25 Villanova 10,939


There is the real top 25 IAA average attendance rankings, NDSU is left out on the NCAA site due to being a provisional team.

ASU Kep
December 7th, 2005, 10:12 PM
The ASU numbers already factor in the playoffs, we were actually in second to Montana when the regular season ended with a 20k+ average.

AppGuy04
December 7th, 2005, 10:14 PM
The ASU numbers already factor in the playoffs, we were actually in second to Montana when the regular season ended with a 20k+ average.

then where did his come from? 19800 vs 18352(NCAA website)

ASU Kep
December 7th, 2005, 10:30 PM
then where did his come from? 19800 vs 18352(NCAA website)

I dunno, I just figured since we had over 20k at all our regular season games but less in the playoffs, the numbers were just the regular season nums w/ the playoff attendance factored in too, I didn't check to make sure if they were dead on.

AppGuy04
December 7th, 2005, 10:31 PM
I dunno, I just figured since we had over 20k at all our regular season games but less in the playoffs, the numbers were just the regular season nums w/ the playoff attendance factored in too, I didn't check to make sure if they were dead on.

maybe the 19800 was after the 1st playoff game, and the 18352 was after the 2nd

RadMann
December 7th, 2005, 11:00 PM
UD sold out every home game at over 22K so they are higher than your own figure for ASU. UD is second as it is most years in attendence. Man these ASU folks are pushy... lol

tralfangar
December 8th, 2005, 12:09 AM
Wrong...we were 2nd until the playoffs. We were only about 500 fans per game below Montana.

Still is sad that attendance drops that much for the FREAKIN PLAYOFFS...

...and yes I know all the "reasons"

TexasTerror
December 8th, 2005, 12:20 AM
What happens if you removed the 'Classics'? What happens to all those HBCUs attendance? I know some of these schools don't draw anywhere near as well on campus...

*****
December 8th, 2005, 12:24 AM
What happens if you removed the 'Classics'? What happens to all those HBCUs attendance? I know some of these schools don't draw anywhere near as well on campus...1 Yale Harvard 19-NOV-05 53213
2 Florida A&M Norfolk St. 22-OCT-05 26988
3 Jackson St. Grambling 22-OCT-05 25879
4 Appalachian St. Western Caro. 12-NOV-05 25584
5 Southern U. Alabama A&M 08-OCT-05 24600
6 Montana Weber St. 01-OCT-05 23773
7 Montana Eastern Wash. 15-OCT-05 23732
8 Montana Portland St. 29-OCT-05 23605
9 Montana Cal Poly 22-OCT-05 23565
10 Tennessee St. Eastern Ill. 05-NOV-05 23481

gram4life
December 8th, 2005, 12:41 AM
1 Yale Harvard 19-NOV-05 53213
2 Florida A&M Norfolk St. 22-OCT-05 26988
3 Jackson St. Grambling 22-OCT-05 25879
4 Appalachian St. Western Caro. 12-NOV-05 25584
5 Southern U. Alabama A&M 08-OCT-05 24600
6 Montana Weber St. 01-OCT-05 23773
7 Montana Eastern Wash. 15-OCT-05 23732
8 Montana Portland St. 29-OCT-05 23605
9 Montana Cal Poly 22-OCT-05 23565
10 Tennessee St. Eastern Ill. 05-NOV-05 23481

This is misleading because some of these games have outgrown the campus stadium, the following games are conference games. We can't help that these games have grown so large.

Bethune-Cookman Florida A&M 19-NOV-05 70112 Fl. Classic
Alabama A&M Alabama St. 29-OCT-05 68238 Magic City Classic
Grambling Southern U. 26-NOV-05 53214 Bayou Classic
Texas Southern Prairie View 25-NOV-05 28971 Labor Day Classic
Jackson St. Alcorn St. 19-NOV-05 25473 Capital City Classic

Seven Would Be Nice
December 8th, 2005, 12:55 AM
it seems we always have around 18-20,000 at most of our games.. then we play teams like morehead and 9,000 people show up and throws the average down the toliet. :bang: :doh:

MACHIAVELLI
December 8th, 2005, 01:17 AM
What happens if you removed the 'Classics'? What happens to all those HBCUs attendance? I know some of these schools don't draw anywhere near as well on campus...

Why remove them?

SUjagTILLiDIE
December 8th, 2005, 02:21 AM
What happens if you removed the 'Classics'? What happens to all those HBCUs attendance? I know some of these schools don't draw anywhere near as well on campus...
Classics are not averaged in Home attendance.

AppGuy04
December 8th, 2005, 08:37 AM
Classics are not averaged in Home attendance.

are all classics at neutral sites?

dbackjon
December 8th, 2005, 10:52 AM
are all classics at neutral sites?

All except the John Merritt Classic, that Tennessee State hosts.

GAD
December 8th, 2005, 11:07 AM
Capital City Classic is in Jackson, Miss.

SU Jag
December 8th, 2005, 11:09 AM
Yeah, Bama State hosts the Turkey Day Classic against Tuskegee!

Retro
December 8th, 2005, 10:19 PM
This is misleading because some of these games have outgrown the campus stadium, the following games are conference games. We can't help that these games have grown so large.

They haven't outgrown anything.. Grambling doesn't even sell out their own home games... The fact is they hold them in big cities to draw the HBCU crowds which include some alumni and some general fans that don't have regular access to the games every week.

BisBison
December 8th, 2005, 10:38 PM
Wrong...we were 2nd until the playoffs. We were only about 500 fans per game below Montana.

Still is sad that attendance drops that much for the FREAKIN PLAYOFFS...

...and yes I know all the "reasons"
What reasons? I don't get it, aren't the playoffs the whole reason for the season? I don't understand the dropoff at all. :eyebrow:

SU Jag
December 8th, 2005, 10:50 PM
They haven't outgrown anything.. Grambling doesn't even sell out their own home games... The fact is they hold them in big cities to draw the HBCU crowds which include some alumni and some general fans that don't have regular access to the games every week.

There is no way a Grambling/Southern or a Bama State/Alabama A&M game could be played on campus. Thats why when we (Southern) play Jackson State as a home game the game is played in the Super Dome! Its because some match ups are too big to be played on-campus!

Tod
December 8th, 2005, 11:50 PM
What reasons? I don't get it, aren't the playoffs the whole reason for the season? I don't understand the dropoff at all. :eyebrow:

The first round of the playoffs occurs on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. It hurts attendance in almost all cases. Texas State seems to have done a great job this year in not holding to that rule.

Are the playoffs the whole reason for the season? IMHO, I'd say yes and no. I think winning your conference makes a great season, whether you go to the playoffs or not. Sometimes just having a good, winning season is great. But I agree that going to the playoffs is what everybody shoots for, at least for those teams that participate. But I hope that's not the only thing that makes fans proud and happy.

My disclaimer is this: As a Griz fan with 13 straight playoff appearances, I admit that when that streak ends, I'm going to be very upset, even if we win (ok, it would have to be some sort of tie) the 'Sky.

So I hate to say that others should be satisfied with less than what the Griz should be satisfied with. But it's hard to not say that too at this point in history. I guess it just has to do with perspective. If we're out of the playoffs for a couple of years and then make it back, I'm happy.

MACHIAVELLI
December 9th, 2005, 07:23 AM
The fact is they hold them in big cities to draw the HBCU crowds which include some alumni and some general fans that don't have regular access to the games every week.

It is called marketing.

SoCon48
December 9th, 2005, 07:53 AM
UD sold out every home game at over 22K so they are higher than your own figure for ASU. UD is second as it is most years in attendence. Man these ASU folks are pushy... lol

Umm. The first round attendance lowered ASU's from being #2. Real simple.
Oh, and you know how those play-off games are grossly under-reported according to UD fans.

SoCon48
December 9th, 2005, 07:55 AM
What reasons? I don't get it, aren't the playoffs the whole reason for the season? I don't understand the dropoff at all. :eyebrow:
Happens all over the country for the 1st round where kids go home for Thanksgiving.
Very few 1st round games have even as many as 10K.

APPST '93
December 9th, 2005, 08:07 AM
I have proof that the gates are under reported. I bought six tickets online and when I purchased my six for this week it showed that three of my tickets were not used from last week. I did have a lot to drink but I remember sitting with the five other people in the game.

Catmendue2
December 9th, 2005, 11:05 AM
:nod:
They haven't outgrown anything.. Grambling doesn't even sell out their own home games... The fact is they hold them in big cities to draw the HBCU crowds which include some alumni and some general fans that don't have regular access to the games every week.


Mcneese don't fill that Hole to often either, and its much smaller than Da Pit. If, I remember correctly the last time it was filled to the rim was in 2002 when Grambling came callling. So don't forget where your bread is buttered.

SU Jag
December 9th, 2005, 11:19 AM
They haven't outgrown anything.. Grambling doesn't even sell out their own home games... The fact is they hold them in big cities to draw the HBCU crowds which include some alumni and some general fans that don't have regular access to the games every week.

Yeah, we all know how well McNeese draws. :rolleyes:

jstate83
December 9th, 2005, 11:39 AM
Capital City Classic is in Jackson, Miss.

It's held in our stadium but the HOME team is rotated on a yearly basis. This year it was ALCORN that was the "Home" team.

This game was moved here every year because the city of Jackson and Southwest airlines offered to sponser the game every year.

The second reason was Alcorns stadium could not hold the people wanting to come. They seat 25,000 in Lorman. Memorial seats 60,000. Do the "money" math over a 4 day football weekend.

It's the same with JSU/SU.................our stadium can handle it.
SU didn't move that game from campus to the Superdome because they don't draw well on campus...............the draw for this game is a given. They moved that game because of the number of people that want to go to that game every year.

AND NO ...................THE JSU/SU GAME IS NOT A CLASSIC.

gram4life
December 9th, 2005, 11:44 AM
They haven't outgrown anything.. Grambling doesn't even sell out their own home games... The fact is they hold them in big cities to draw the HBCU crowds which include some alumni and some general fans that don't have regular access to the games every week.

You really don't know what you are talking about do you. SU/GSU, ASU/AAMU, SU/JSU, JSU/Alcorn those games have outgrown there stadiums but you know better than we do.

SU Jag
December 9th, 2005, 11:47 AM
It's held in our stadium but the HOME team is rotated on a yearly basis. This year it was ALCORN that was the "Home" team.

This game was moved here every year because the city of Jackson and Southwest airlines offered to sponser the game every year.

The second reason was Alcorns stadium could not hold the people wanting to come. They seat 25,000 in Lorman. Memorial seats 60,000. Do the "money" math over a 4 day football weekend.

It's the same with JSU/SU.................our stadium can handle it.
SU didn't move that game from campus to the Superdome because they don't draw well on campus...............the draw for this game is a given. They moved that game because of the number of people that want to go to that game every year.

AND NO ...................THE JSU/SU GAME IS NOT A CLASSIC.

I was shocked that the Capitol City Classic didn't daw like it usually does. That was a sign that Bell needed to leave! JSU use to average over 30,000 at home games in a season. I hope that Comegy can get stuff turned around because JSU has too good of a program, and too good of a fan base to not compete for the SWAC title every year.

SU Jag
December 9th, 2005, 11:52 AM
There are a few match-ups that could never be played on-campus. Match-up like a Southern/Tennessee State, FAMU/Grambling, and a few other headline matchups. These are match-ups that don't happen often but you know when they do, its going to be BIG.

Georgia Griz
December 9th, 2005, 11:58 AM
Once again, I would just like to thank all of those loyal Griz fans in the northern Rockies for showing up at the stadium this year. Our fans are amazing! Here's to my fellow Griz! xprost2x

jstate83
December 9th, 2005, 11:58 AM
I was shocked that the Capitol City Classic didn't daw like it usually does. That was a sign that Bell needed to leave! JSU use to average over 30,000 at home games in a season. I hope that Comegy can get stuff turned around because JSU has too good of a program, and too good of a fan base to not compete for the SWAC title every year.

Bell and Culbertson killed everything. You have seen Jackson on game day. Everything is geared twards JSU Football on Friday and Saturdays down here. That has not been the case when that clown hit town. But now, JSU Flags are flying on cars and people are smiling again. :smiley_wi

People were hot as "fish grease" at those two around here for the last 3 years.

When Culbertson got in the paper the week before the UAPB game and basically gave every excuse on why BELL might NOT be fired at the end of the season.............. that was it.

ONLY 2900 people showed up for that game. I rode past the stadium and it looked like a graveyard. :nonono2:

BELL was fired that Monday Morning. :nod:

Catmendue2
December 9th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Top 25 games in 1AA

1 Bethune-Cookman Florida A&M 19-NOV-05 70112 Fl. Classic
2 Alabama A&M Alabama St. 29-OCT-05 68238 Magic City Classic
3 Florida A&M Tennessee St. 24-SEP-05 56297 Atlanta Classic
4 Grambling Southern U. 26-NOV-05 53214 Bayou Classic
5 Yale Harvard 19-NOV-05 53213
6 Jackson St. Tennessee St. 10-SEP-05 48300 Southern Heritage Classic
7 Mississippi Val. Ark.-Pine Bluff 03-SEP-05 45000 Chicago Classic
8 Morgan St. Hampton 24-SEP-05 42738 Urban League Cl.
9 Tennessee St. N.C. A&T 01-OCT-05 42310 Circle City Classic
10 Morgan St. Savannah St. 17-SEP-05 40502 Ohio Classic
11 Ark.-Pine Bluff Tuskegee 24-SEP-05 35900 St. Louis Classic
12 Texas Southern Prairie View 25-NOV-05 28971 Labor Day Classic
13 Prairie View Grambling 01-OCT-05 27949 State Fair Classic
14 Florida A&M Norfolk St. 22-OCT-05 26988 FAMU Homecoming
15 Jackson St. Grambling 22-OCT-05 25879 JSU homecoming
16 Appalachian St. Western Caro. 12-NOV-05 25584
17 Jackson St. Alcorn St. 19-NOV-05 25473 Capital City Classic
18 Tennessee St. Alabama A&M 03-SEP-05 25342 John A. Merritt Classic
19 Alabama St. Southern U. 01-OCT-05 24811 Gulf Coast Classic
20 Southern U. Alabama A&M 08-OCT-05 24600 Southern Homecoming
21 Montana Weber St. 01-OCT-05 23773
22 Montana Eastern Wash. 15-OCT-05 23732
23 Montana Portland St. 29-OCT-05 23605
24 Montana Cal Poly 22-OCT-05 23565
25 Tennessee St. Eastern Ill. 05-NOV-05 23481 TSU homecoming


Top 25 1AA average attendance

1 Montana 22,479
2 Delaware 22,177
3 Yale 21,677
4 Southern 19,888
5 Appl State 19,800
6 GA Southern 16,241
7 FAMU 15,177
8 Tennessee State 15,023
9 NC A&T 14,610
10 Jackson St 14,597
11 Youngstown St 14,544
12 South Carolina St. 14,226
13 Alabama St. 14,182
14 Montana St. 13,710
15 James Madison 13,525
16 Western Ky. 12,798
17 Grambling St. 12,214
18 Texas State 12,204
19 Harvard 12,169
20 Norfolk St. 12,009
21 Citidal 11,674
22 Jacksonville St 11,389
23 Furman 11,652
24 Villanova 10,939
25 Missouri St. 10,664



Retro, where is Mcneese, am I missing something here, actually where is the Southland conference period. I see one SFL team and they appear to be behind Grambling, SU, JSU amd Bama St. Please dont place it on the hurricane cuz we all had hurricanes. :hurray:

Isaac23
December 9th, 2005, 12:44 PM
The first round of the playoffs occurs on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. It hurts attendance in almost all cases. Texas State seems to have done a great job this year in not holding to that rule.

thanks but we(TEXAS STATE) even posted only 10K for the 1st round to GSU after thanksgiving!! although we did post 15,411 last week and will sell out again this weekend!