View Full Version : Title IX Ruling Could Impact Everyone
TexasTerror
July 6th, 2009, 12:52 PM
This one flew under my radar last week, caught it today. Basically, women (or men) could sue an institution. The result at UC-Davis was that they have "10 years to bring female participation in varsity sports to within 1.5 percent of their proportion of the overall student population"...
When it comes to offering men and women equal opportunities to play sports, close may no longer be good enough.
Judges have typically ruled that universities are in compliance with the federal gender-equity law known as Title IX if the proportion of athletes who are women is within 5 percent of the representation of women in the total enrollment.
But a settlement announced Wednesday between the University of California-Davis and three female athletes holds the university’s athletic officials to a stricter 1.5 percent standard and could influence similar cases around the country, according to lawyers who are knowledgeable about gender-equity cases.
http://allstudentathletes.com/blogs/titleixrulingincalifornia/
andy7171
July 6th, 2009, 03:05 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. When I was at Towson I was 150% against this as Towson dropped football scholarships to help comply with title IX. But now 15 years later and with 3 girls ... I've done a comeplete 180^. :o
OSBF
July 6th, 2009, 03:10 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. When I was at Towson I was 150% against this as Towson dropped football scholarships to help comply with title IX. But now 15 years later and with 3 girls ... I've done a comeplete 180^. :o
I know lots of guys that feel the same way. I have 2 daughters and a son, I'm in the same boat. Title IX cost us wrestling, mens soccer, mens gymnastics, and mens swimming/diving.
tribe_pride
July 6th, 2009, 04:10 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. When I was at Towson I was 150% against this as Towson dropped football scholarships to help comply with title IX. But now 15 years later and with 3 girls ... I've done a comeplete 180^. :o
I am for the idea behind the law but not how it is being enforced. If this means cutting men's sports (or athletes) to comply with Title IX, it's not helping anyone (including your daughters) especially since a lot of schools have more recently not been adding women's sports.
Some non-revenue sports that were not funded by Bball or football revenues at all (entirely by alumni donors donating only to that sport or nothing at all) have been cut or forced to cut athletes they would not otherwise cut. That is what I don't like.
Dukie95
July 7th, 2009, 08:32 AM
I am for the idea behind the law but not how it is being enforced. If this means cutting men's sports (or athletes) to comply with Title IX, it's not helping anyone (including your daughters) especially since a lot of schools have more recently not been adding women's sports.
Some non-revenue sports that were not funded by Bball or football revenues at all (entirely by alumni donors donating only to that sport or nothing at all) have been cut or forced to cut athletes they would not otherwise cut. That is what I don't like.
It's never quite as cut and dry as just cutting men's sports. JMU actually had to cut some women's sports to get into compliance.
Gymnastics, is a great example. If you're going to cut men's gymnastics, you have to also cut women's, because there's a cost overhead that no longer makes sense for just one team.
So, JMU had to actually add other womens sports while cutting both Men's and Women's sports.
NHwildEcat
July 7th, 2009, 09:14 AM
Title IX is a good thing; however, when schools are strapped as they currently are under this economic situation it just makes it that much harder to comply. Some schools could have actions taken against them simply because they cannot afford to add a women's team and would rather not cut one of their money maker sports.
I think Title IX serves the high schools better, but I would have to say IMO that more boys than girls are going to play sports. It is just a trait that is imbedded in our culture. Sure it has changed in a mojor way in the past 50 years, but still I think the overwhelming trend is more boys would rather play football, baseball or basketball then girls.
tribe_pride
July 7th, 2009, 09:25 AM
It's never quite as cut and dry as just cutting men's sports. JMU actually had to cut some women's sports to get into compliance.
Gymnastics, is a great example. If you're going to cut men's gymnastics, you have to also cut women's, because there's a cost overhead that no longer makes sense for just one team.
So, JMU had to actually add other womens sports while cutting both Men's and Women's sports.
Agreed in many cases but not in many other cases. The example I provided really happened and no women were effected.
BDKJMU
July 7th, 2009, 10:24 AM
I wouldn't have any problem with Title IX if football wasn't included in the equation since there is no eqivalent female sport.
This is especially problematic at schools with more females than males in the student body, which made it vitually impossible to not cut some mens' sports.
Look at all the sports that have both mens' and womens' teams. The women have more schollys than men. Ex basketball. Women have 15 and men have 13. Thats total BS.xnonono2x And other sports such as soccer, track, golf, tennis, baseball/softball etc the gap is even wider.
NHwildEcat
July 7th, 2009, 10:27 AM
I wouldn't have any problem with Title IX if football wasn't included in the equation since there is no eqivalent female sport.
This is especially problematic at schools with more females than males in the student body, which made it vitually impossible to not cut some mens' sports.
Look at all the sports that have both mens' and womens' teams. The women have more schollys than men. Ex basketball. Women have 15 and men have 13. Thats total BS.xnonono2x And other sports such as soccer, track, golf, tennis, baseball/softball etc the gap is even wider.
I completely agree with you!
Lehigh Football Nation
July 7th, 2009, 10:47 AM
I wouldn't have any problem with Title IX if football wasn't included in the equation since there is no eqivalent female sport.
This is especially problematic at schools with more females than males in the student body, which made it vitually impossible to not cut some mens' sports.
Most institutions of higher learning, especially HBCU's and elite private schools, have more females than males, and if anything their proportion to the general student population is growing.
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