Manny Ramirez test Positive

[Gil Dobie]

Suspended for 50 game starting today.

LA Times Link (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story)

Manny Ramirez has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and will be suspended 50 games starting today, The Times has learned.

The test result and suspension is expected to be announced later today. The Dodgers informed triple-A outfielder Xavier Paul this morning that he was being promoted to Los Angeles.

[andy7171]

Scouped me GD! dammit

[andy7171]

This is huge news.

[OSBF]

Makes the NL west a little more interesting.

[siuham]

Hilarious.

Eventually, I can see the MLB will either give up suspending people, or they'll have a league near devoid of big name players and purely a baseball league. That'd be neat.

[SideLine Shooter]

Suspended for 50 game starting today.

LA Times Link (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story)

Manny Ramirez has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and will be suspended 50 games starting today, The Times has learned.

The test result and suspension is expected to be announced later today. The Dodgers informed triple-A outfielder Xavier Paul this morning that he was being promoted to Los Angeles.

Must be the hair. xlolxxlolxxlolx

[NorCalJack]

My best friend is a huge Dodgers fan from LA and he has been e-mailing me all morning, bragging about the 13 game win streak at home. I just sent him a reality check by sending him the link to the Manny suspension story. That could not have been better timed.xlolxxlolxxlolx

[Gil Dobie]

Mannywood says it was something his Dr gave him. xwhistlex

[bluehenbillk]

Wow, shocked to hear. Another star is eliminated from HOF consideration.

[brownbear]

Suspensions are without pay, that's something like $7 million down the toilet for him.

Not to mention all the endorsements lost because of it.

[appmaj]

Bye Bye Winning streak

[ISUMatt]

Glad he is NOT on my Fantasy team

[bodoyle]

No surprise here.

[introvertedGSUfan]

Glad he is NOT on my Fantasy team

Not too familiar with Fantasy Baseball, but what happens when one of your players is suspended or injured? Do you just lose tons of points or whatnot?

[bodoyle]

Not too familiar with Fantasy Baseball, but what happens when one of your players is suspended or injured? Do you just lose tons of points or whatnot?

Nope. You just can't play him. You get 0 points for him. It's as if he is benched for 50 games.

[jstate83]

Another MLB player test positive for whatever.
Won't be watching ESPN for a while cause I know they acting like this is the end of the moral world with wall to wall Manny coverage.
Dang sure not going to watch the Sport's Reporter this Sunday.

This stopped being news a long time ago. xlolx
Take a vacation like all the other's did Manny and then come back refreshed. xlolx

The happiest person in the MLB right now is A-Rod.xnodx
He's finally been replaced on the front page shat list.. xlolx

BTW:
He said the positive test was from a prescription drug given to him by his doctor.
Who know's, who cares.

[LacesOut]

No surprise here.

Agreed.

I'm more surprised when players don't test positive for something.

[93henfan]

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

http://threes.com/cms/images/stories/entertainment/jim-nabors.jpg

[UMass922]

I'm disappointed, but I guess you can't be surprised by anything anymore.

[Bill Hanson]

Canseco was right!!! He said it a few months ago and now it comes true.

[Seahawks Fan]

Manny juicing his fanny! xlolxxlolx

[saint0917]

Wow, shocked to hear. Another star is eliminated from HOF consideration.

And that brings up another good question, does Manny get in the HOF or no?. I say NO xnonono2x

[jstate83]

And that brings up another good question, does Manny get in the HOF or no?. I say NO xnonono2x


OH lawd.xlolx
Not this MLB HOF again.

[UMass922]

Manny's statement:

“Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me,” Ramirez said in a statement issued by the players’ union.

“Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=An3vBqNMbqtzvKnF2l4H3JA5nYcB?slug=txdodg ersramirezdrugs&prov=st&type=lgns

[Gil Dobie]

OH lawd.xlolx
Not this MLB HOF again.

Only Balco Barry belongs in the HOF, because he never admitted he took steroids, nor tested positive. xlolx

[jstate83]

Only Balco Barry belongs in the HOF, because he never admitted he took steroids, nor tested positive. xlolx

man. xlolx
MLB and it's fan's make me want to throw up with all this pure as the snow talk.
I say they shut the MLB HOF down and don't waste time adding anyone else.xnodx
That would make the purist happy and I would not have to listen to the endless chatter on it. xlolx

[mcveyrl]

If Manny really has passed 15 drug tests the past five years then there are two possibilities:

1) He's telling the truth about the doctor thing; or

2) He's finding a way to beat these drug tests (either he's being tipped off or he's using the Whizzinator :D)

[Ivytalk]

Probably half the Dodger Stadium crowd, on any given night, would test positive for something!:p

Front-running brats!xmadx

[UNHWildCats]

Mannywood says it was something his Dr gave him. xwhistlex
He also said over the past 5 years he's been tested 15 times and passed all 15 prior to this test.... While its hard to trust players these days after constant lies from them, there is the possibility h is being truthful.

[UNHWildCats]

Another MLB player test positive for whatever.
Won't be watching ESPN for a while cause I know they acting like this is the end of the moral world with wall to wall Manny coverage.
Dang sure not going to watch the Sport's Reporter this Sunday.

This stopped being news a long time ago. xlolx
Take a vacation like all the other's did Manny and then come back refreshed. xlolx

The happiest person in the MLB right now is A-Rod.xnodx
He's finally been replaced on the front page shat list.. xlolx

BTW:
He said the positive test was from a prescription drug given to him by his doctor.
Who know's, who cares.
A Rod is hardly done with the front page... A-Rod is still bigger news then Ramirez.

[saint0917]

Only Balco Barry belongs in the HOF, because he never admitted he took steroids, nor tested positive. xlolx

That's not entirely true. Back in 2003 Bonds DID ADMIT to taking "The Cream" aka "The Clear" the steroid THG as A testosterone-based ointment.

Barry Bonds testified to a grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who was indicted in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn't know they were steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday.

Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season. According to Bonds, the trainer told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a pain-relieving balm for the player's arthritis.

"the clear." (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1937594)

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I can't say I'm surprised. His baggy uniform did not fool me one iota.

Even though I'm a Red Sox fan, I'm glad MLB did this to him. Even if they have to ban a star a week, they need to clean up baseball. That's more important than Manny's HOF chances (or A-Roid's, Barry Balco, Mark McAnabolic, Sammy "So-so Until I Discovered Steroids" Sosa's).

The only question is what other MLB stars will be "discovered" in the weeks to come. And the only surprise would be if no more get "outed" during this time.

[93henfan]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a7/Mary_Mary.jpg/200px-Mary_Mary.jpg

Manny, Manny,
Why ya druggin'?

[jstate83]

A Rod is hardly done with the front page... A-Rod is still bigger news then Ramirez.

Maybe.
But today, A-Rod is not the focus of attention for the 1st time in a long time.

[tribe_pride]

Agreed. This takes A-Rod off of the news this week and until he comes back and starts playing (next week?). Then he is back on but for today, he is off.

That said, tell me any professional athlete has taken an illegal PED and I will believe you. It's sad that it has come to this but it's true.

[Gil Dobie]

man. xlolx
MLB and it's fan's make me want to throw up with all this pure as the snow talk.
I say they shut the MLB HOF down and don't waste time adding anyone else.xnodx
That would make the purist happy and I would not have to listen to the endless chatter on it. xlolx

I don't believe MLB runs the Hall of Fame, I think it's a seperate entity.

[putter]

Canseco was right!!! He said it a few months ago and now it comes true.

Isn't it ironic that the man everyone said was just trying to keep his name in lights and make money now that his baseball career was washed us is turning out to be the best source for the truth? Run for Congress Jose'

[ngineer]

Must be the hair. xlolxxlolxxlolx

I agree that his hair has been on steroids for some time.xnodx

[jstate83]

I don't believe MLB runs the Hall of Fame, I think it's a seperate entity.

And that is why I put no stock in the MLB HOF.
It is run by people that have nothing to do with baseball itself.

The voting is done by writer's that clearly have agendas.
You can see it in their writing's and every time they start harping on something weeek after week.


They need to call it the sport's writers baseball hall of fame. xlolx

[Bill Hanson]

Isn't it ironic that the man everyone said was just trying to keep his name in lights and make money now that his baseball career was washed us is turning out to be the best source for the truth? Run for Congress Jose'

He has been the truth teller in every name that he has named. I couldn't believe my ears a while back when the guys on ESPN radio were disagreeing with him over the Ramirez thing and saying that he is not a trustworthy person. All he has done is name some names and they all were found out. Why wouldn't he be truthful about Ramirez? Someone has some egg on their face.

[UNHWildCats]

And that is why I put no stock in the MLB HOF.
It is run by people that have nothing to do with baseball itself.

The voting is done by writer's that clearly have agendas.
You can see it in their writing's and every time they start harping on something weeek after week.


They need to call it the sport's writers baseball hall of fame. xlolx
its not the MLB HOF it is National Baseball Hall of Fame.... MLB has no jurisdiction over the HOF

[UMass922]

One good thing about this Manny news--it might actually distract ESPN from Brett Favre for a few minutes.

[Bill Hanson]

One good thing about this Manny news--it might actually distract ESPN from Brett Favre for a few minutes.

OH dear lord, PLEASE!xthumbsupx

[appmaj]

One good thing about this Manny news--it might actually distract ESPN from Brett Favre for a few minutes.

Maybe they will interview Brett to see what HE thinks about Manny...

[Petrie Dish]

Mannywood says it was something his Dr gave him. xwhistlex

Women's fertility drugs, apparently. Can't wait for the spin on this.xrolleyesx

[CopperCat]

"Manny being Manny" again. What a thug. Throw him in the pot with Mike Vick as far as I'm concerned.

[jstate83]

its not the MLB HOF it is National Baseball Hall of Fame.... MLB has no jurisdiction over the HOF


That's my point. xlolx
The MLB has no say so over it.

[jstate83]

"Manny being Manny" again. What a thug. Throw him in the pot with Mike Vick as far as I'm concerned.
xrolleyesx

Here we go with the THUG reference.
Guess all those pitcher's and other players that were suspended at the beginning of the season should be called thug's and thrown in with Vick also.

But wait a minute.
They playing now and nobody called them thug's ever. xsmhx
Manny and M. Vick are as close to being thug's as Pee Wee herman.xlolx

[UMass922]

"Manny being Manny" again. What a thug. Throw him in the pot with Mike Vick as far as I'm concerned.

How is Manny a "thug"? And how can you equate his (or any juicer's) actions with Michael Vick's?

[jstate83]

How is Manny a "thug"? And how can you equate his (or any juicer's) actions with Michael Vick's?

Generic term now that's thrown out everytime certain people are in the news for something.
Most of the people using the term THUG would not know a real thug if they came up and pistol whipped them. xlolx
Real Thug's would have Manny and M. Vick running for their lives. xlolx

[Bill Hanson]

xrolleyesx

Here we go with the THUG reference.
Guess all those pitcher's and other players that were suspended at the beginning of the season should be called thug's and thrown in with Vick also.

But wait a minute.
They playing now and nobody called them thug's ever. xsmhx
Manny and M. Vick are as close to being thug's as Pee Wee herman.xlolx

Does Manny and Vick hang out in XXX movie theatres too?xreadx

[jstate83]

Does Manny and Vick hang out in XXX movie theatres too?xreadx

Black Guy's go to STRIP CLUBS for the real thing.xlolx
Have we not learned anything watching PacMan. xlmaox
Jerking off in XXX movie theater's is not on the menu.

[Gil Dobie]

Black Guy's go to STRIP CLUBS for the real thing.xlolx
Have we not learned anything watching PacMan. xlmaox
Jerking off in XXX movie theater's is not on the menu.

xxx theatre's are for Pee Wee Herman :o

[ASUG8]

Seems like a pretty mild infraction IMHO - not like he tested positive for some recreational drug, HGH, or true steriod. I know rules are rules and he, his agent, and his doc should have checked the policy before prescribing the meds, but hindsight is 20/20.

I'm no fan of Manny, but 50 games seems pretty steep for this level of infraction.

[Gil Dobie]

Rome says it's alleged women's fertility drug. xeyebrowx

[Hansel]

Women's fertility drugs, apparently.


maybe that is why he is such a bitch

[Bill Hanson]

Seems like a pretty mild infraction IMHO - not like he tested positive for some recreational drug, HGH, or true steriod. I know rules are rules and he, his agent, and his doc should have checked the policy before prescribing the meds, but hindsight is 20/20.

I'm no fan of Manny, but 50 games seems pretty steep for this level of infraction.

Those are the rules. You get caught 50 games.

[93henfan]

Asterisk Hall of Fame

1919 Chicago White Sox
Ben Johnson
Jose Canseco
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro
Barry Bonds
2001 New England Patriots
2003 New England Patriots
2004 Boston Red Sox
2004 New England Patriots
2007 Boston Red Sox

[Gil Dobie]

Asterisk Hall of Fame

1919 Chicago White Sox
Ben Johnson
Jose Canseco
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro
Barry Bonds
2001 New England Patriots
2003 New England Patriots
2004 Boston Red Sox
2004 New England Patriots
2007 Boston Red Sox

Time for the Cubs to start cheating more. xrulesx

[darell1976]

Rome says it's alleged women's fertility drug. xeyebrowx


Its used to raise the testastrone level after using steroids. So true he didn't get busted for using steroids he was stupid enough to get busted after using steroids. Thats what he gets for leaving the Cleveland Indians.xlolx

[BDKJMU]

Seems like a pretty mild infraction IMHO - not like he tested positive for some recreational drug, HGH, or true steriod. I know rules are rules and he, his agent, and his doc should have checked the policy before prescribing the meds, but hindsight is 20/20.

I'm no fan of Manny, but 50 games seems pretty steep for this level of infraction.

BS- it was used to raise his testosterone levels. Anyone MLB player not wanting to take any banned substances getting a prescription drug from his personal MD would ask himself or have his MD ask the team doc to make sure that the prescription drug didn't contain anything on the list of banned substances. “Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me,” BS. Ramirez absolutely knew he was taking a banned substance. And he got caught.

You know whats worse than these players testing positive for banned substances? Getting in front of a camera lying to the millions of fans, insulting our intelligence like we're all a bunch of idiots. If you're going to lie then don't say anything at all. I'd have more respect for someone if they got caught, if they did say anything to the press, they were a man about it and admitted it. None of these guys when they get caught seem capable of manning up and being a man about it.

[bluehenbillk]

No doubt about it now that the real reasons are surfacing that Manny was/is a juicer.

[ASUG8]

Those are the rules. You get caught 50 games.

I think I said that. xnonono2x

[ASUG8]

BS- it was used to raise his testosterone levels. Anyone MLB player not wanting to take any banned substances getting a prescription drug from his personal MD would ask himself or have his MD ask the team doc to make sure that the prescription drug didn't contain anything on the list of banned substances. “Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me,” BS. Ramirez absolutely knew he was taking a banned substance. And he got caught.

You know whats worse than these players testing positive for banned substances? Getting in front of a camera lying to the millions of fans, insulting our intelligence like we're all a bunch of idiots. If you're going to lie then don't say anything at all. I'd have more respect for someone if they got caught, if they did say anything to the press, they were a man about it and admitted it. None of these guys when they get caught seem capable of manning up and being a man about it.

IF you're right, then Manny is more of an idiot than most of us would have given him credit for. Personally, if I have a $25M contract getting paid to do what I did for free until age 22 and knowing full well that MLB had enacted more stringent standards, I'd keep my nose clean. But then again, I'm a reasonably intelligent guy (and I don't have the talent to play pro ball).

[jstate83]

Asterisk Hall of Fame

1919 Chicago White Sox
Ben Johnson
Jose Canseco
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro
Barry Bonds
2001 New England Patriots
2003 New England Patriots
2004 Boston Red Sox
2004 New England Patriots
2007 Boston Red Sox

You forgot the Superbowl teams of the Pittsburg Steeler's and Oakland Raider's of the 1970's.xnodx

[saint0917]

You forgot the Superbowl teams of the Pittsburg Steeler's and Oakland Raider's of the 1970's.xnodx

Being a huge Steelers fan I have to comment on this. I would like to point out the Steelers success of the 1970's that back then steroids were not a banned substance by the NFL nor were they deemed illegal drugs by the United States government. They were readily available to most pro athletes, so it wasn't like the Steelers could get them and another teamc could not.

“We did steroids to get away the aches and the speed of healing,” Bradshaw said. “My use of steroids from a doctor was to speed up injury, and (I) thought nothing of it. … It was to speed up the healing process, that was it. It wasn’t to get bigger and stronger and faster.”

Bradshaw admits to steroid use (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txbradshawsteroids&prov=st&type=lgns)

[minuteman65]

Asterisk Hall of Fame

1919 Chicago White Sox
Ben Johnson
Jose Canseco
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro
Barry Bonds
2001 New England Patriots
2003 New England Patriots
2004 Boston Red Sox
2004 New England Patriots
2007 Boston Red Sox

If we're going into the whole videotape thing, gotta add the Cowboys to that too...

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5063

[jstate83]

Being a huge Steelers fan I have to comment on this. I would like to point out the Steelers success of the 1970's that back then steroids were not a banned substance by the NFL nor were they deemed illegal drugs by the United States government. They were readily available to most pro athletes, so it wasn't like the Steelers could get them and another teamc could not.

“We did steroids to get away the aches and the speed of healing,” Bradshaw said. “My use of steroids from a doctor was to speed up injury, and (I) thought nothing of it. … It was to speed up the healing process, that was it. It wasn’t to get bigger and stronger and faster.”

Bradshaw admits to steroid use (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txbradshawsteroids&prov=st&type=lgns)

#1) JUICING is JUICING.
The Pittsburg Steeler's had an advantage on other teams using this.
Player's today said the same thing when they started getting caught.
"Doctor's gave me this to speed up recovery from injuries".
That excuse has been used as recently as last year. xnodx

And

#2) To the people that are alway's harping about NO HOF for Baseball players caught juicing today.
AIN'T NO WAY YOU GONNA TELL ME BASEBALL PLAYER'S WERE NOT JUICING BACK THEN ALSO.
Baseball player alkso used the "Speed up recovery stance" today also.
Back then, player's openly took greenies in the dougout by the handful for all to see to get a enegry burst.
Roid's we available openly also so it is the same thing legal or not.
The stuff these players today are taking was not banned in the 1990's but people want to keep them out the HOF and baseball for it now so what is the difference?


So all that 'High and mighty" talk from baseball purist on today's game is just show.

[CopperCat]

Generic term now that's thrown out everytime certain people are in the news for something.
Most of the people using the term THUG would not know a real thug if they came up and pistol whipped them. xlolx
Real Thug's would have Manny and M. Vick running for their lives. xlolx

Your hidden agenda is only mildly annoying, so I won't bite off on that.

Maybe thug isn't the right term (for Manny anyway). How about "sandbagging whiney little b****?" That seems to suit him just fine. Whining about not enough money, whining about having mystical injuries, and now making excuses about a drug he took to cover up his previous indiscretions.

And I know a thug when I see one, no pistol whipping necessary. They all live on the east side of town around here.

[jstate83]

Your hidden agenda is only mildly annoying, so I won't bite off on that.

Maybe thug isn't the right term (for Manny anyway). How about "sandbagging whiney little b****?" That seems to suit him just fine. Whining about not enough money, whining about having mystical injuries, and now making excuses about a drug he took to cover up his previous indiscretions.

And I know a thug when I see one, no pistol whipping necessary. They all live on the east side of town around here.


And your annoying agenda is not.xlolx
Throwing out terms that don't fit nowhere in the discussion.
Manny.............A Thug.
Since you backtracked I guess I was right. xlolx

And then you call him a whinny little byotch and I'll bet people say the same about you.
You act like these players are stealing food off your table with your little angry, name calling when shat hit the news.
Baseball owner's want to throw out $100 million plus contract's for players, what in hell make's Manny any different that he can't ask for the same as one of Baseball's best?

Can you answer that cause personally, I don't care if a player get's a $300 million contract to play sport's.
None of it is comming out of my pocket so why should I waste my time getting mad at someoine that don't even know I'm alive on this planet.xthumbsupx

[saint0917]

#1) JUICING is JUICING.
The Pittsburg Steeler's had an advantage on other teams using this.


Explain to me how the Steelers had an advantage when EVERY TEAM had it readily available.xconfusedx

[/QUOTE]#2) To the people that are alway's harping about NO HOF for Baseball players caught juicing today. [/B]AIN'T NO WAY YOU GONNA TELL ME BASEBALL PLAYER'S WERE NOT JUICING BACK THEN ALSO[/B].[/QUOTE] "Back Then" they didn't know alot about the drug it was used for quick healing and it was LEGAL, TODAY it's used for "Growth" and it's ILLEGAL, see the difference?


[/QUOTE]Baseball player alkso used the "Speed up recovery stance" today also..[/QUOTE] Again...."Back Then" the drug was legal, today it's not.

[jstate83]

Your hidden agenda is only mildly annoying, so I won't bite off on that.



DUDE or DUDETTE. xlolx

No you didn't send me a PM talking about reading the TOS about harassment.xoopsx
Are you really that whimpy?xeekx
I see you got '06 after your screen name so I assume you are from the "everything is abuse, mean, not nice to me, temper tantrum, victim" generation.

If so...................I'm sorry to hurt your itty bitty feelings.
I am sorry for telling you that Manny is about as much of a thug as Pee Wee Herman.
I'm sorry that you quoted me talking about an annoying agenda while you are probably sending PM's to the mod's trying to get them to do your dirty work.
xlmaox

Grow up, be a damm adult, and stop trying to make yourself a victim over this bullshat.
You think way to much of yourself on a chatboad that people talk smack on all day.

People.
This is the HARRASMENT he or she is talking about.
Everybody except for Mr or Mrs sensitive took it as the joke statement it was.
Good Lawd. xlmaox

"Manny being Manny" again. What a thug. Throw him in the pot with Mike Vick as far as I'm concerned.


xrolleyesx

Here we go with the THUG reference.
Guess all those pitcher's and other players that were suspended at the beginning of the season should be called thug's and thrown in with Vick also.

But wait a minute.
They playing now and nobody called them thug's ever. xsmhx
Manny and M. Vick are as close to being thug's as Pee Wee herman.xlolx

[saint0917]

#1) JUICING is JUICING.
The Pittsburg Steeler's had an advantage on other teams using this.

Explain to me how the Steelers had an advantage when the drug was readily available to EVERY TEAM??



2) To the people that are alway's harping about NO HOF for Baseball players caught juicing today.
AIN'T NO WAY YOU GONNA TELL ME BASEBALL PLAYER'S WERE NOT JUICING BACK THEN ALSO. "Back Then" they didn't know alot about the drug, it was legal and players used it for quick healing, today it's used for growth, and it's ILLEGAL, see the difference??

[jstate83]

Explain to me how the Steelers had an advantage when the drug was readily available to EVERY TEAM??


"Back Then" they didn't know alot about the drug, it was legal and players used it for quick healing, today it's used for growth, and it's ILLEGAL, see the difference??


If people want an * by people that cheated, then it should be across the board.
How is a HOF'er that juiced back in the 1970's and different than a player that Juiced today.

I'm just saying because a lot of the drug's these "mordern day player's" use today were developed in the 1980's and 1990's and were not on the banned list of substances baseball have now.
Why should player's have an * beside their names for these time period's when player back then don't.

These drug's didn't get an official baseball ban until after 2002 because baseball didn't even know about them.
I'm just saying cause I don't have a dog in this fight.
All I'm interested in is how many game's the Laker's win and if my St. Louis Rams will get their act together.
If someone want's to destroy their body with this crap, it is no skin off my back or doctor bill I will have to pay.

It is what it is.
People have in the past and will continue to try to get any advantage with the million's to be made in sport's today.
It started back then and it's never going to stop.

[UNHWildCats]

"Back Then" they didn't know alot about the drug, it was legal and players used it for quick healing, today it's used for growth, and it's ILLEGAL, see the difference??
hmm regardless of the intended use then vs now, the results would be the same...

If it is proven fact that other HOF greats in baseball used steroids and what not before wether legal or not, then players today should still get in the HOF.

[andy7171]

"Manny being Manny" again. What a thug. Throw him in the pot with Mike Vick as far as I'm concerned.

How is this being a thug like Vick? xconfusedx

[saint0917]

hmm regardless of the intended use then vs now, the results would be the same...

Well I have to disagree because their intent back in the 70's was to use the drug as a healer, today's players use it to cheat, and they know it.

[aust42]

Well I have to disagree because their intent back in the 70's was to use the drug as a healer, today's players use it to cheat, and they know it.

Intent in the 70's was as a drug healer? That is laughable and so is the entire MLB steroid story. There were plenty of MLB players that juiced in the 70's for the intent of enhancing their physical ability to play baseball. Purists want to put an * by players in the late 90's b/c their presious home run records were broken but refuse to admit MLB players have been using steroids for decades. MLB and the players association allowed it and didn't implement drug testing until 2002 only after pressure from the U.S. Government. Now MLB bans players 50 games for taking over the counter dietary supplements (J.C. Romero). Their drug policy is a joke and they keep tarnishing their image by banning players for ridiculous reasons.

Signed,

Angry Phillies Fan