Tribe votes on Sioux Nickname

[darell1976]

Members of the Spirit Lake Tribe voted on the Sioux nickname and 67% approve the use of the nickname. The Sioux needs permission from both the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock Sioux tribes by November 30, 2010 or they must retire the name. Both tribal councils disapprove of the name. So members of the Spirit Lake tribe wanted the issue to be a vote of the whole tribe and 67% of the tribe approve the name, a major victory for Sioux nickname supporters. However the tribal council of the Standing Rock tribe does not want a vote. But hopefully this will change their minds. Thank you Spirit Lake Nation!!!!:)xthumbsupx

[OL FU]

I realize I am getting OLD but at first I thought W&M was really trying to piss some people off. xlolx









East Coast bias at its best. Sorry:o

[Hansel]

Ironically this could be bad for UND's conference hopes

A negative vote would have allowed them (and the SBoHE) to drop the nickname ASAP

this could cause things to drag on for a while.....

[UND92,96]

Ironically this could be bad for UND's conference hopes

A negative vote would have allowed them (and the SBoHE) to drop the nickname ASAP

this could cause things to drag on for a while.....

Although I'm ready to retire the nickname (but don't think it's racist or demeaning at all), I'm pleased that it was vindicated by the Spirit Lake vote. I'd kind of like to see a Standing Rock vote come back with similar numbers, have their tribal council refuse to abide by the wishes of the clear majority of the people, and then have UND drop the nickname and let the tribal council take the political heat.

[OL FU]

What are some of the considered alternative names?

[93henfan]

What are some of the considered alternative names?

The Fighting Honkies

[GeauxLions94]

Members of the Spirit Lake Tribe voted on the Sioux nickname and 67% approve the use of the nickname. The Sioux needs permission from both the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock Sioux tribes by November 30, 2010 or they must retire the name. Both tribal councils disapprove of the name. So members of the Spirit Lake tribe wanted the issue to be a vote of the whole tribe and 67% of the tribe approve the name, a major victory for Sioux nickname supporters. However the tribal council of the Standing Rock tribe does not want a vote. But hopefully this will change their minds. Thank you Spirit Lake Nation!!!!:)xthumbsupx

Congrats. xthumbsupxxthumbsupxxthumbsupx Hope the SL and SR Sioux tribes agree soon.

[griz8791]

What are some of the considered alternative names?

In another thread I heard one of the proposed alternatives was "Roughriders," I assume because of Teddy Roosevelt's connection to North Dakota.

Not my fight, and I know the idea of being forced to change your nickname is absolutely galling, but in view of all the circumstances "Roughriders" would be a VERY COOL nickname and would solve a lot of problems.

[RabidRabbit]

In another thread I heard one of the proposed alternatives was "Roughriders," I assume because of Teddy Roosevelt's connection to North Dakota.

Not my fight, and I know the idea of being forced to change your nickname is absolutely galling, but in view of all the circumstances "Roughriders" would be a VERY COOL nickname and would solve a lot of problems.

Right - And join the HIV protection class of Mascots, along with USC, UALR. xeekxxsmiley_wix:p

[OL FU]

In another thread I heard one of the proposed alternatives was "Roughriders," I assume because of Teddy Roosevelt's connection to North Dakota.

Not my fight, and I know the idea of being forced to change your nickname is absolutely galling, but in view of all the circumstances "Roughriders" would be a VERY COOL nickname and would solve a lot of problems.

I like rough riders and I agree it is not my fight either but I certainly understand both sides. xnodx

[greenG]

I realize I am getting OLD but at first I thought W&M was really trying to piss some people off. xlolx


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[OL FU]

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No doubt that jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them and maybe I have it wrong. but you are the Tribe, right? you have had issues with your name or maybe it was your mascot, right? and the topic of this thread is Tribe votes on Sioux Nickname. W&M was the first tribe that popped into my head.


:oSorry

[Native]

It is good that the Spirit Lake tribal members got to vote.

Let's hope the Standing Rock tribal members also get to publicly express their wishes.

[greenG]

No doubt that jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them and maybe I have it wrong. but you are the Tribe, right? you have had issues with your name or maybe it was your mascot, right? and the topic of this thread is Tribe votes on Sioux Nickname. W&M was the first tribe that popped into my head.


:oSorry

No problem. I just didn't make the connection. BTW, "Have Gun, Will Travel" is my all time favorite TV show.

[OL FU]

No problem. I just didn't make the connection. BTW, "Have Gun, Will Travel" is my all time favorite TV show.

One of mine tooxsmiley_wix

[poly51]

They should just change their name to the "7th Cavalry".

[griz8791]

They should just change their name to the "7th Cavalry".

Yeah, that would definitely smooth everything over with the tribes. Plus, UND's in Grand Forks. The 7th Cav was based in Bismarck.

[jmufan999]

yeah i thought it was a W&M thread also.

(greenG, he's just talking about the use of "Tribe" in the subject line... )

[Gil Dobie]

In another thread I heard one of the proposed alternatives was "Roughriders," I assume because of Teddy Roosevelt's connection to North Dakota.

Not my fight, and I know the idea of being forced to change your nickname is absolutely galling, but in view of all the circumstances "Roughriders" would be a VERY COOL nickname and would solve a lot of problems.

Roughriders sounds cool to me too. It would be the second Roughriders school in Grand Forks, Red River HS is the other. I am sure UND would keep their official School colors though.

http://www.grand-forks.k12.nd.us/images/pageitems/6395/p233794032_22699.jpg

[darell1976]

Roughriders sounds cool to me too. It would be the second Roughriders school in Grand Forks, Red River HS is the other. I am sure UND would keep their official School colors though.

http://www.grand-forks.k12.nd.us/images/pageitems/6395/p233794032_22699.jpg

YUCK!! Take that picture off.xlolx I went to Grand Forks Central..Go Redskins, Maroon and Grey. (for those that didn't know GFC went through the nickname change in 1991).

[darell1976]

In another thread I heard one of the proposed alternatives was "Roughriders," I assume because of Teddy Roosevelt's connection to North Dakota.

Not my fight, and I know the idea of being forced to change your nickname is absolutely galling, but in view of all the circumstances "Roughriders" would be a VERY COOL nickname and would solve a lot of problems.


People assoicate the Roughriders with Teddy Roosevelt...the man who once said a good Indian is a dead Indian...yeah i don't think Roughriders is a good choice.xsmhx

[I-AA Fan]

What are some of the considered alternative names?

Just to get back at these 'pc types' ...I would call myself the "fightin' Sooey" They would quickly change their tune.

[Native]

Just to get back at these 'pc types' ...I would call myself the "fightin' Sooey" They would quickly change their tune.

Your point is well taken, Fan, but I prefer to yield to the everyday Lakota who voted 67% in favor of the "Sioux" mascot, despite propaganda and intimidation by their own PC types.

[CID1990]

If you have to change your name from Sioux, I would suggest replacing it with, say, the Crazy Redskin Injens. Or maybe the Squaw Men.

[greenG]

People assoicate the Roughriders with Teddy Roosevelt...the man who once said a good Indian is a dead Indian...yeah i don't think Roughriders is a good choice.xsmhx

It wasn't Roosevelt who said it. It was either Union general Philip Sheridan or Rep. James M. Cavanugh.


There is an anecdote told concerning Sheridan during his campaign against the Indians. Comanche Chief Tosawi, or Silver Knife, reputedly told Sheridan in 1869, "Me Tosawi. Me good Indian," to which Sheridan is said to have replied, "The only good Indians I ever saw were dead."This was then misquoted as "The only good Indian is a dead Indian". Sheridan later denied he had made the statement to Tosawi. Earlier that year, on May 28, Rep. James M. Cavanaugh said in the House, "I have never seen in my life a good Indian ... except when I have seen a dead Indian." That remark may have been mistakenly attributed to Sheridan.

[Ivytalk]

The North Dakota Flooding Sandbags!:D

[greenG]

In another thread I heard one of the proposed alternatives was "Roughriders," I assume because of Teddy Roosevelt's connection to North Dakota.

Not my fight, and I know the idea of being forced to change your nickname is absolutely galling, but in view of all the circumstances "Roughriders" would be a VERY COOL nickname and would solve a lot of problems.

Of course, wearing green & white and using Roughriders as a nickname, there might be copyright infringement problems with Saskatchewan of the CFL.

[Native]

People assoicate the Roughriders with Teddy Roosevelt...the man who once said a good Indian is a dead Indian...yeah i don't think Roughriders is a good choice.xsmhx

Wrong! ...as others have pointed out. Do your homework. xnonono2xxnonono2x

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

I think UMass, App. State, McNeese State, Northern Arizona, Norfolk State, Southern California, Portland State, Holy Cross, and many other schools have mascots that are demeaning to whites and should be changed.

And GSU and EWU's mascots mock native American culture, too.

[ValleyChamp]

http://honorindians.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/for-website-resize-500-x-323.bmp

[darell1976]

Wrong! ...as others have pointed out. Do your homework. xnonono2xxnonono2x

Homework done:
"I suppose I should be ashamed to say that I take the Western view of the Indian. I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth." These words were spoken by Theodore Roosevelt less than 15 years before he became President of the United States


http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1137096

[OL FU]

Homework done:
"I suppose I should be ashamed to say that I take the Western view of the Indian. I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth." These words were spoken by Theodore Roosevelt less than 15 years before he became President of the United States


http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1137096

Alright scratch rough riders.

Any Neanderthal's left, maybe that would be an inoffensive namexnodx

North Dakota Neanderthals has a ring to itxsmiley_wix

[darell1976]

Alright scratch rough riders.

Any Neanderthal's left, maybe that would be an inoffensive namexnodx

North Dakota Neanderthals has a ring to itxsmiley_wix

Whats funny is Roughriders was suggested by Ron His Horse Is Thunder (a member of the Standing Rock Tribe and public enemy #1 to the Sioux nickname). I wonder if he knew Roosevelt said that.xlolx

[Native]

Homework done:
"I suppose I should be ashamed to say that I take the Western view of the Indian. I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth." These words were spoken by Theodore Roosevelt less than 15 years before he became President of the United States


http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1137096

Thank you, Darrell. xreadx

[whitey]

How bout the UND Petrified Woodies! Or the UND ICBMS!

[OL FU]

Whats funny is Roughriders was suggested by Ron His Horse Is Thunder (a member of the Standing Rock Tribe and public enemy #1 to the Sioux nickname). I wonder if he knew Roosevelt said that.xlolx

Interesting. Maybe he is like the rest of us and view the rough riders as killing Cubansxnodx or the spanishxnodx maybe there are more reasons than first considered not to use that name:)

[Gil Dobie]

This has come up before:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/Soo_Line_logo.jpg

[NDB]

I like it when the men's and women's teams have different names.

The men could be the baggers and the women the dikes. ? no. ?

[darell1976]

How bout the UND Petrified Woodies! Or the UND ICBMS!

I don't we have any ICBMS left in our silos anymore. But it could be top secret.xlolx

[darell1976]

I like it when the men's and women's teams have different names.

The men could be the baggers and the women the dikes. ? no. ?

xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolx

[UMass922]

Any Neanderthal's left, maybe that would be an inoffensive namexnodx

Think again.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/geico-caveman.jpg

[darell1976]

Think again.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/geico-caveman.jpg


xlolxxlolx

[OL FU]

Think again.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/geico-caveman.jpg

Damn all my good ideas get shot downxlolx

[W. DeMontague]

Maybe some nickname connecting all of those of Norwegian descent in the Dakotas?

Or North Dakota Silos?

North Dakota Mercury Dippers?

North Dakota Raging Harvesters?

http://www.emersonkent.com/images/combine_harvester.jpg

[Sturgisjeff]

Univ of North Dakota Fighting Canadians. You know you can see Canada from the Admin Building.

[BDKJMU]

I don't we have any ICBMS left in our silos anymore. But it could be top secret.xlolx

They're still some there:
http://www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/Minot_AFB.htm

Maybe the new nickname could be the Minuteman for the Minuteman ICBM's? Yeah, UMass has the Minuteman, but they're could be more than one team with Minuteman, just like there is more than one team with Tigers, Cougars, Bears, etc. UMass has a colonial minuteman as a mascot. UND could have a big missile.

Or as Whitey mentioned, the ICBMs?

Or how about the nukes? You could have a big mushroom fireball on the helmet.

Or the B-52s as Minot AFB has only one of 2 remaining B-52 wings.

[Native]

They're still some there:
http://www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/Minot_AFB.htm

Maybe the new nickname could be the Minuteman for the Minuteman ICBM's? Yeah, UMass has the Minuteman, but they're could be more than one team with Minuteman, just like there is more than one team with Tigers, Cougars, Bears, etc. UMass has a colonial minuteman as a mascot. UND could have a big missile.

Or as Whitey mentioned, the ICBMs?

Or how about the nukes? You could have a big mushroom fireball on the helmet.

Or the B-52s as Minot AFB has only one of 2 remaining B-52 wings.

...and the mascots could be "Fat Man" and "Little Boy?"

[LakesBison]

hope they pay off the standing rock natives like they did the spirit lake ones?

i mean, DUH, Spirit Lake is near UND, they NEED the gamblers to their casino from Grand Forks/UND. local radio station was handing out und hats and sweatshirts.

Now, standing rock might be a tad tougher, its in the western side of the state.

[Native]

hope they pay off the standing rock natives like they did the spirit lake ones?

i mean, DUH, Spirit Lake is near UND, they NEED the gamblers to their casino from Grand Forks/UND. local radio station was handing out und hats and sweatshirts.

Now, standing rock might be a tad tougher, its in the western side of the state.

Those damn dumb indians! They need us to tell 'em what's good for 'em! xnonono2x

[ngineer]

Maybe they could expand on the name and call the team, "The Boys Named Sioux", with all due respect to Mr. Cash.:D

[ASU]

How about, "The Fighting Dakotans"

[greenG]

How about, "The Fighting Dakotans"

That has been proposed by some UND supporters. Before Sioux was adopted UND was known as the Flickertails; probably not a candidate now.

[Gil Dobie]

Fighting Black Eyed Susans :p

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:R4oYjhkzngXZMM:http://www.landscapeontario.com/attach/1146074937.Black-eyed_Susan.jpg

[Hammersmith]

They're still some there:
http://www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/Minot_AFB.htm

Maybe the new nickname could be the Minuteman for the Minuteman ICBM's? Yeah, UMass has the Minuteman, but they're could be more than one team with Minuteman, just like there is more than one team with Tigers, Cougars, Bears, etc. UMass has a colonial minuteman as a mascot. UND could have a big missile.

Or as Whitey mentioned, the ICBMs?

Or how about the nukes? You could have a big mushroom fireball on the helmet.

Or the B-52s as Minot AFB has only one of 2 remaining B-52 wings.

I've always thought they should be the BUFFs. It works on so many levels.

:D

[Thunderstruck84]

They're still some there:
http://www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/Minot_AFB.htm

Maybe the new nickname could be the Minuteman for the Minuteman ICBM's? Yeah, UMass has the Minuteman, but they're could be more than one team with Minuteman, just like there is more than one team with Tigers, Cougars, Bears, etc. UMass has a colonial minuteman as a mascot. UND could have a big missile.

Or as Whitey mentioned, the ICBMs?

Or how about the nukes? You could have a big mushroom fireball on the helmet.

Or the B-52s as Minot AFB has only one of 2 remaining B-52 wings.
YES! xthumbsupx And then they could change the name of Ralph Engelstad Arena to The Love Shack.

"Folks linin' up outside just to get down. B-52s Hockey!"

[jimbo65]

[QUOTE=LakesBison;1335352]hope they pay off the standing rock natives like they did the spirit lake ones?

QUOTE]
The payoff was made in wampum, beads and fire water.

[Native]

I cannot speak for the Lakota, but I wish some major university sports program called itself "The Fightin' Cherokee!" or "Tsa La Gi Nation!" or some such.

The activists and "leaders" are just plain wrong when they say that mascots are necessarily hurtful to native people.

In most cases, mascots do not demean, they open the door to pride, cultural awareness and sometimes rational discussion.

I agree with and support the voting tribes people who approved "Fightin' Sioux" by 67%.

This is everyone's fight! Saying "it's not my fight" is part of what got the tribes divided and conquered in the first place.

P.S. Congratulations to Sam Bradford, the first Cherokee to win the Heisman!

http://64.38.12.138/News/2008/012421.asp

[WWII]

This was discussed before, I don't understand the difference wit Sioux or Dakota, they're bot names of native americans. Shouldn't the Dakota state names be changed too?

[Native]

This was discussed before, I don't understand the difference wit Sioux or Dakota, they're bot names of native americans. Shouldn't the Dakota state names be changed too?

BIG DIFFERENCE, because Sioux is a derogatory name given the Lakota by another tribe, which means "snake in the grass." Lakota is what the "human beings" call themselves.

[WWII]

So be the Fighting Lakota.

[JBB]

To understand why the vote is of questionable value you have to understand what the settlement with the NCAA requires of UND.

First and foremost it requires approval, and that approval must be binding because if its not and approval is withdrawn, by anyone, UND will have to abolish the nickname.

That vote was not binding on the Tribe. UND is going to need something from Tribal leadership and it must be binding if they are to proceed with the name.



During the four year period, UND must garner a "clear and affirmative support for the Fighting Sioux' nickname," as stated in the agreement.

The support must come from both the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and the Spirit Lake Tribe, and if support is not given the Sioux nickname would then be dropped.

Also, if at any time one of the two Sioux tribes mentioned above withdraw their support, then the nickname would again be abolished.


LINK (http://media.www.dakotastudent.com/media/storage/paper970/news/2007/10/26/News/Und-And.Ncaa.Agree.To.A.Settlement-3060159.shtml)
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[coover]

I think UMass, App. State, McNeese State, Northern Arizona, Norfolk State, Southern California, Portland State, Holy Cross, and many other schools have mascots that are demeaning to whites and should be changed.

And GSU and EWU's mascots mock native American culture, too.

Actually, USC's (Southern California to those of you who are uninformed) nickname demeans birth control. You really ought to take a look at the giant condoms their cheer leaders wear during the games.

[coover]

I was going to suggest the "Dakotans" but I see that somebody else has already suggested it.

Of course, the "Dakotans" would probably make at least 3 other schools unhappy ... but maybe that is a good thing. When you play one of the other Dakota schools, you could accuse the fans of the other school of not being a "real Dakotans". For example, "We are Dakotans, you are not. Go North"

[ValleyChamp]

All I can say is, I hope it is original and not some generic BS that most pro teams come up with in the last few years.

Bobcats, Thunder? Really, is that the best they could come up with?

[LakesBison]

I hope UND moves to the CANADIAN LEAGUE TO JOIN THEIR HOCKEY TEAM.


p.s- was in bismarck nd at PRAIRIE KNIGHTS casino on standing rock last week.

lots of money being handed over from UND donors.

I , the NDSU donor, took home $1800 , so keep buying them off out there!!!

[JBB]

I like the Buffs too or maybe "Fighting" Flounders.

It retains a tie to the past with the fighting part and the other part describes their transition and also has ties to the past with a description of the nickname fight.

[Ivytalk]

Actually, USC's (Southern California to those of you who are uninformed) nickname demeans birth control. You really ought to take a look at the giant condoms their cheer leaders wear during the games.

But they take 'em off right after the final gun!xsmiley_wix

[TheBisonator]

I hope UND moves to the CANADIAN LEAGUE TO JOIN THEIR HOCKEY TEAM.


p.s- was in bismarck nd at PRAIRIE KNIGHTS casino on standing rock last week.

lots of money being handed over from UND donors.

I , the NDSU donor, took home $1800 , so keep buying them off out there!!!

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/wheel_stfu.jpg

[LakesBison]

bisonater. are you that big of a douche?

[Thunderstruck84]

The ND State Board of Higher Education has just voted to move up UND's ultimatum on a nickname change. They'll now need to get approval from the tribes by October 1st of this year or drop the nickname.

Board votes to drop UND nickname, logo (http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/240560/)

DICKINSON, N.D. - The University of North Dakota must end its use of the Fighting Sioux nickname by Oct. 1, unless it can secure a 30-year agreement with the state's two namesake tribes by then, the North Dakota Board of Higher Education unanimoulsy decided today.

It's safe to say UND's spot in the Summit League will be warmed up for them by that time if they do decide to change the nickname.

[dmksioux]

Today is a sad day in Sioux land:(

Most Sioux fans knew this was inevitable...but it still doesn't make it any easier to accept. Hopefully the next breaking news we get to hear is that the Summit League will be giving us a site visit...

[boonegoon]

As a person who doesn't get the argument. Please expain why Seminole is ok while Sioux is not. I get why "redmen" or "orangemen" are bad. Is Brave ok? For what it's worth, why is cornhusker or viking ok?

[Casey_Orourke]

As a person who doesn't get the argument. Please expain why Seminole is ok while Sioux is not. I get why "redmen" or "orangemen" are bad. Is Brave ok? For what it's worth, why is cornhusker or viking ok?

As far as I have heard, the Canadians haven't gotten to bent out of shape over the Vancouver Canucks or the Montreal Canadiens as team names.

[darell1976]

As a person who doesn't get the argument. Please expain why Seminole is ok while Sioux is not. I get why "redmen" or "orangemen" are bad. Is Brave ok? For what it's worth, why is cornhusker or viking ok?

The Seminoles got approval from the Seminole tribes of Florida, UND needs the Sioux tribal approval from the Standing Rock and Spirit Lake Sioux tribes...the natives voted for the nickname on the Spirit Lake but still needs tribal council its not a democracy like we have...their vote basically means nothing if tribal council rules against them. As far as I know the corn in Nebraska is not fighting the name and the Norweigins are not fighting the Viking name...simple Fighting Sioux=Fighting Irish...whats the difference besides $$$$ People are people!

[laxVik]

For what it's worth, why is cornhusker or viking ok?Well gee, for starters native populations in this country were driven to the brink of extinction, killed, maimed, purposely driven from their lands. How can you not see the difference? If we get down to brass tacks I'll assume you'd approve the use of the name "Redskins". xcoffeex

[JohnStOnge]

Well gee, for starters native populations in this country were driven to the brink of extinction, killed, maimed, purposely driven from their lands. How can you not see the difference? If we get down to brass tacks I'll assume you'd approve the use of the name "Redskins". xcoffeex

And the Trojans were wiped out by the Greeks. Seriously, man, a something like UND using "Sioux" for its nickname is a sign of respect. It's ridiculous that we've come to the point where the NCAA feels like it has to do something like it did. This country really is getting ridiculous and it's been happening for some time now.

[laxVik]

And the Trojans were wiped out by the Greeks. Seriously, man, a something like UND using "Sioux" for its nickname is a sign of respect. It's ridiculous that we've come to the point where the NCAA feels like it has to do something like it did. This country really is getting ridiculous and it's been happening for some time now.I don't recall Trojans being wiped out by Winchester rifles in this country. I could be wrong. And I believe it's the "fightin' sioux" no, not simply sioux. I have less of a problem with that then I do the "redskins". I simply don't understand that at all. Period.

[Seawolf97]

I don't recall Trojans being wiped out by Winchester rifles in this country. I could be wrong. And I believe it's the "fightin' sioux" no, not simply sioux. I have less of a problem with that then I do the "redskins". I simply don't understand that at all. Period.

Dont tell that to the NFL fans in the Washington DC area. No problem there but an NFL Franchise is mega dollars for the whole region. Then add in the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs who play in Arrowhead Stadium . PC can be glazed over with dollars.

[Native]

Well gee, for starters native populations in this country were driven to the brink of extinction, killed, maimed, purposely driven from their lands. How can you not see the difference? If we get down to brass tacks I'll assume you'd approve the use of the name "Redskins". xcoffeex

...and for the record, the Vikings wiped out medieval villages as well.

I wish there were a "Cherokee Nation" mascot somewhere...

[laxVik]

...and for the record, the Vikings wiped out medieval villages as well.
Not in this country. Hello!

[Gil Dobie]

No Ralph Engelstad non-threat to the State Board of Higher Education this time. xeyebrowx

LV News Link (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2001/jan/15/engelstad-vowed-to-pull-arena-funding-if-controver/)

The day after the wealthy casino owner and real estate developer sent his letter, the state Board of Higher Education voted 8-0 to keep the nickname and a newly designed logo. It is a profile of an American Indian with feathers and war paint.

Engelstad owns the Imperial Palace hotel-casinos in Las Vegas and Biloxi, Miss.

"Please do not consider this letter a threat in any manner, as it is not intended to be," Engelstad wrote to UND President Charles Kupchella. "It is only notification to you of exactly what I am going to do if you change this logo and this slogan."

[darell1976]

No Ralph Engelstad non-threat to the State Board of Higher Education this time. xeyebrowx

LV News Link (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2001/jan/15/engelstad-vowed-to-pull-arena-funding-if-controver/)

The day after the wealthy casino owner and real estate developer sent his letter, the state Board of Higher Education voted 8-0 to keep the nickname and a newly designed logo. It is a profile of an American Indian with feathers and war paint.

Engelstad owns the Imperial Palace hotel-casinos in Las Vegas and Biloxi, Miss.

"Please do not consider this letter a threat in any manner, as it is not intended to be," Engelstad wrote to UND President Charles Kupchella. "It is only notification to you of exactly what I am going to do if you change this logo and this slogan."

But what is going to happen to the Ralph now...UND does NOT own the building its still in the family's hands. They could tell the Sioux touch one logo on this building and you can play hockey somewhere else.

[bluehenbillk]

I find the Buffalo Bills name personally offensive. xwhistlex

[Gil Dobie]

But what is going to happen to the Ralph now...UND does NOT own the building its still in the family's hands. They could tell the Sioux touch one logo on this building and you can play hockey somewhere else.

Maybe the family could merge some kind of casino advertising using the logo's. Lot's of Casino advertising in the arena's in the Twin Cities.

[darell1976]

2200 logos in the building...well guess where the states $1 billion dollar surplus is going. I would make the NCAA pay for it.

[NU Hound29]

2200 logos in the building...well guess where the states $1 billion dollar surplus is going. I would make the NCAA pay for it.

Wasn't the point to make it financially impractical to remove all the logos?

[GeauxLions94]

I find the Buffalo Bills name personally offensive. xwhistlex

No, you find their play personally offensive xwhistlex

[darell1976]

Wasn't the point to make it financially impractical to remove all the logos? Yes it was. But who knows how they are or if they can remove all the logos. I think there are some that are unremoveable.

[NU Hound29]

Yes it was. But who knows how they are or if they can remove all the logos. I think there are some that are unremoveable.

It is a loss to the entire hockey community to no longer have the Fighting Sioux playing hockey, would be even worse if they lose the Ralph....is the old arena even still standing?

I wish them luck with the whole thing. I saw let the tribes vote, I know the one did, I don't get why the other guy won't even put it up to a vote...for shame