Charlie Manuel Watch - 2009 Addition

[bluehenbillk]

As you know, I'm at the game tonight, so I'll let you know. I won't be going crazy rooting for him, but I'm getting older and more cynical every day so you can't judge by me. xthumbsupx

I'll be there tomorrow to ironically see if Cliff Lee can go 4-0 and the day I hit the big 4-0!

[GannonFan]

I'll be there tomorrow to ironically see if Cliff Lee can go 4-0 and the day I hit the big 4-0!

You're old, dude. Not quite OL FU old, but old nonetheless. :p

[Ivytalk]

As you know, I'm at the game tonight, so I'll let you know. I won't be going crazy rooting for him, but I'm getting older and more cynical every day so you can't judge by me. xthumbsupx


I'll be there tomorrow to ironically see if Cliff Lee can go 4-0 and the day I hit the big 4-0!

And I'll be there on Thursday for, uh, Jewish Heritage Night!:p

[93henfan]

And after one inning, the Phils are on pace for 27 men LOB. xrolleyesx

[93henfan]

And I'll be there on Thursday for, uh, Jewish Heritage Night!:p

It's a giveaway night:

http://www.brochins.com/product_images/small/bas-mt.jpghttp://www.brochins.com/product_images/small/bas-sha.jpghttp://www.brochins.com/product_images/small/bas-men.jpg

[93henfan]

Mets have rallied from a 4-0 deficit to take an 8-4 lead on the Braves.

xlolx xthumbsupx

[UNHWildCats]

what happened to Pedro?

[MR. CHICKEN]

what happened to Pedro?


ONE HOUR...SIX MINUTE....RAIN DELAY.......SENT HIM TA DUH SHOWER...AFTERAH 3...xrotatehx.......AWK!

MOYER...RELIEVED....AN' STOLE DUH SHOW....xnodx....BRAWK!!

[UNHWildCats]

ONE HOUR...SIX MINUTE....RAIN DELAY.......SENT HIM TA DUH SHOWER...AFTERAH 3...xrotatehx.......AWK!

MOYER...RELIEVED....AN' STOLE DUH SHOW....xnodx....BRAWK!!
ahhh was wondering saw he only went 3 and was effective and couldnt find anything on the sports sites

[ngineer]

Moyer was lights out! 6 innings, 2 hits, 5Ksxrotatehx

[UNHWildCats]

Moyer was lights out! 6 innings, 2 hits, 5Ksxrotatehx
I'm sure his great grandson enjoyed the game. :p

[93henfan]

Moyer was lights out! 6 innings, 2 hits, 5Ksxrotatehx

Thank God Moyer and Pedro aren't vying for a #3 slot in the rotation for the playoffs because we'd likely have a controversy a-brewing.

It's already going to be tough deciding between Blanton and Hamels. I would hope that Lee and Happ have solidified their places in Chollie's mind. Can't really argue with wins and ERA.

[Ivytalk]

It's a giveaway night:

http://www.brochins.com/product_images/small/bas-mt.jpghttp://www.brochins.com/product_images/small/bas-sha.jpghttp://www.brochins.com/product_images/small/bas-men.jpg

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OY! SUCH A CHOICE!!:p

[93henfan]

Save the date: Tues Sep 8th Phils @ Nats

AshevilleApp2 will be in DC that day. Some AGSers have expressed interest in meeting up for the game (IIRC - AshevilleApp, 89Hen, Andy7171, myself). We'd love to turn it into an AGS get-together, so come on down if you can make it. We're probably going to grab a brew somewhere before the game and then get walk-up tickets.

[93henfan]

Cliff Lee for President (or at least Governor of Delaware)!

Another complete game. This time a 2-hitter, 0 ER, 11 Ks, 81 strikes on 106 pitches, and he even got a couple of hits.

Phils win 8-1.

Cliff Lee's numbers as a Phillie:

4-0, 0.82 ERA, 33.0 IP, 34K, 6 BB, 18H, 3 ER, .385 as a batter

[blukeys]

Cliff Lee for President (or at least Governor of Delaware)!

Another complete game. This time a 2-hitter, 0 ER, 11 Ks, 81 strikes on 106 pitches, and he even got a couple of hits.

Phils win 8-1.

Cliff Lee's numbers as a Phillie:

4-0, 0.82 ERA, 33.0 IP, 34K, 6 BB, 18H, 3 ER, .385 as a batter

Well I would pick him over either of the current incumbents. One number forgotten. Number of hits with his switch to the NL 5. Number of earned runs 3.

[blukeys]

To paraphrase Tim McCarver when he was speaking about Bob Gibson.
"Cliff Lee is a really lucky pitcher. Everytime he pitches the other team only scores one run."

[Ivytalk]

SUCH A GAME!

HAVA NAGILA WITH THE PHANATIC!

YIDDISH VERSION OF TAKE ME OUT TO THE BALL GAME!

ORTHODOX BOTTLE DANCERS! THE WHOLE SCHMEER! OY GEVALT! I WAS ABOUT TO PLOTZ!:p:D

And a 12-3 win for the Fightins that featured bombs by Howard (clear into the Arizona bullpen), Werth and Ruiz, and 8 quality innings by Blanton.

[93henfan]

Brett Myers' first rehab appearance last night:

1 IP, 3 K, 2 H, 19 pitches, 13 strikes, 92 mph fastball

[ngineer]

Brett Myers' first rehab appearance last night:

1 IP, 3 K, 2 H, 19 pitches, 13 strikes, 92 mph fastball

xeekxxeekx

[ngineer]

SUCH A GAME!

HAVA NAGILA WITH THE PHANATIC!

YIDDISH VERSION OF TAKE ME OUT TO THE BALL GAME!

ORTHODOX BOTTLE DANCERS! THE WHOLE SCHMEER! OY GEVALT! I WAS ABOUT TO PLOTZ!:p:D

And a 12-3 win for the Fightins that featured bombs by Howard (clear into the Arizona bullpen), Werth and Ruiz, and 8 quality innings by Blanton.

I was down at CBP last night with some clients and what a great time...other than the oppressive heat/humidity. I never recall having to fan myself at 10 pm.! The Phils are pumping on all cylinders right now. Blanton is a horse. Can't believe from the preseason trepidations that we're now looking at one of the best rotations in baseball.xnodx

[Ivytalk]

I was down at CBP last night with some clients and what a great time...other than the oppressive heat/humidity. I never recall having to fan myself at 10 pm.! The Phils are pumping on all cylinders right now. Blanton is a horse. Can't believe from the preseason trepidations that we're now looking at one of the best rotations in baseball.xnodx

My son and I (and a friend of his) were sitting in the very top row behind home plate. There was a nice breeze at our backs much of the night, due to some big fans in the utility shed.xnodx I like Blanton: he works quickly and throws strikes, like Lee (and Hamels when he's on).

Now on to New Yawk and beat the Mutts!xnodxxthumbsupx

[93henfan]

There was a nice breeze at our backs much of the night, due to some big fans in the utility shed.xnodx

Must not have been a south wind. I haven't been up there much in the past several years, but that sewage treatment facility across the Schuylkill could clear your sinuses on a hot, summer night back in the Vet days. When the weather man said it was steamy in South Philly, he was being literal.

[blukeys]

I was down at CBP last night with some clients and what a great time...other than the oppressive heat/humidity. I never recall having to fan myself at 10 pm.! The Phils are pumping on all cylinders right now. Blanton is a horse. Can't believe from the preseason trepidations that we're now looking at one of the best rotations in baseball.xnodx

We need for Hamels to get on the right page to make that claim in my book.

One thing Lee, Blanton, and Happ have in common is that they throw strikes and locate their pitches on the corners of the plate. This plays to the Phils' strength, their defense. Getting the other guys to hit the ball works to the advantage of the pitcher. Their are very few infield combinations that can turn a double play better than Rollins/Utley. These guys also have great range and can turn a DP on balls that other middle infielders won't even field. This gives a pitcher the confidence to throw strikes.
Victorino and Werth are 2 of the best defensive outfielders in the NL and Ibanez doesn't hurt the team at all in the field. Giving up only 3 outs per inning is great for a pitcher. They don't feel as if they have to do it on their own.

[blukeys]

Greg Dobbs is starting at 3b tonite.

[ngineer]

Hamels did it again..laying fastballs right down the heart of the plate. I really thing this has become a mental thing for him. Doesn't appear to have an air of confidence about him. He may be 'technically' a very good pitcher, but he hasn't shown a 'toughness' that the great pitchers have. He's still young, but I think he needs a psychologist more than anything.xsmhx

[93henfan]

Lee-Blanton-Happ

[DSUrocks07]

Lee-Blanton-Happ

That would be a hell of a fall for last years World Series MVP xnonono2x


but i agree with youxwhistlex

[gmoney55]

Hamels did it again..laying fastballs right down the heart of the plate. I really thing this has become a mental thing for him. Doesn't appear to have an air of confidence about him. He may be 'technically' a very good pitcher, but he hasn't shown a 'toughness' that the great pitchers have. He's still young, but I think he needs a psychologist more than anything.xsmhx

Agreed, I couldn't believe that was the same pitcher last night. I figured he would carve that lineup apart like most decent pitchers do. Though I was surprised to find out he hasn't beaten the Mets since 2006, so maybe just some bad luck against them.

[93henfan]

Agreed, I couldn't believe that was the same pitcher last night. I figured he would carve that lineup apart like most decent pitchers do. Though I was surprised to find out he hasn't beaten the Mets since 2006, so maybe just some bad luck against them.

Nope, he's been mediocre all year and is now sporting a losing record to go along with his almost 5.00 ERA. But who knows, this team has been streaky in just about every area this year. Ibanez was MVP caliber before the all-star break and groin strain and is only hitting sub-.250 since then. J-Roll the complete opposite. Even Utley hit a bit of a flat spot in early August. Maybe Cole screws his head on straight and puts together a nice September. He's got to show something before October to keep his spot though.

[93henfan]

Happ, Madson, and Lidge were on tonight. Nice job by the Phils waiting out a gutty performance by Tim Redding and then lighting up the Mutts bullpen. Tonight was a "Chase Utley you are the man" night. He dropped one over the short fence next to the foul poll in right. Everything else was icing.

Nice to see the Phils fans getting a "Let's Go Phillies" chant going in the 8th. Nothing better than kicking the Mutts when they're down. Payback for all the greasy New Yorkers that used to flood the Vet. xthumbsupx

[foghorn]

Happ, Madson, and Lidge were on tonight. Nice job by the Phils waiting out a gutty performance by Tim Redding and then lighting up the Mutts bullpen. Tonight was a "Chase Utley you are the man" night. He dropped one over the short fence next to the foul poll in right. Everything else was icing.

Nice to see the Phils fans getting a "Let's Go Phillies" chant going in the 8th. Nothing better than kicking the Mutts when they're down. Payback for all the greasy New Yorkers that used to flood the Vet. xthumbsupx
A Phils fan must've read your post.http://www.casttv.com/video/i17son/phillies-mets-fight-on-air-8-22-09-video

[Ivytalk]

Is today Pedro's "homecoming" start?xsmiley_wix

[gmoney55]

Is today Pedro's "homecoming" start?xsmiley_wix

Yep, and the Mets "Welcome Home" Gift is Angel Pagan, Luis Castillo, Daniel Murphy, Jeff Francoeur, Fernando Tatis, Cory Sullivan, Brian Schneider and Anderson Hernandez.

[93henfan]

A Phils fan must've read your post.http://www.casttv.com/video/i17son/phillies-mets-fight-on-air-8-22-09-video

The beauty of that clip is that in the same inning, Utley put the Phils ahead 2-1 with one swing. Lots of knock out punches going on in a short amount of time. :D

[gmoney55]

Exchange with my wife two minutes ago:
"You said you were just going to watch Pedro get introduced, it's been a half-hour and we're waiting"
"I know, but Oliver Perez pitched"
"Oh, yea he sucks"

Pedro's finally been introduced, I'll find better things for this Sunday, enjoy Phils fans.

[blukeys]

Ok so now Eric Bruntlett is in the record books. For the stats minded folks How many unassisted triple Plays have there been?

[93henfan]

Ok so now Eric Bruntlett is in the record books. For the stats minded folks How many unassisted triple Plays have there been?

15

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unassisted_triple_play


In Major League Baseball, it is the rarest of individual feats, along with hitting four home runs in one game (each has been done 15 times, if a disputed unassisted triple play is not included). There have been more perfect games in baseball history than unassisted triple plays. During a span of over 65 seasons (June 1927 to September 1992), there was only one unassisted triple play in the major leagues, made in July 1968. Even "ordinary" (assisted) triple plays are fairly rare, occurring a few times per year.

Name ↓ Team ↓ Position ↓ Date ↓ Inning ↓ How ↓
Neal Ball Cleveland Naps SS July 19, 1909 2nd Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Bill Wambsganss Cleveland Indians 2B October 10, 1920 5th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner. Game 5 of the 1920 World Series.
George Burns Boston Red Sox 1B September 14, 1923 2nd Caught line drive, tagged runner off 1st, touched 2nd.
Ernie Padgett Boston Braves SS October 6, 1923 4th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Glenn Wright Pittsburgh Pirates SS May 7, 1925 9th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
(FIRST unassisted triple play to end game)
Jimmy Cooney Chicago Cubs SS May 30, 1927 4th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Johnny Neun Detroit Tigers 1B May 31, 1927 9th Caught line drive, tagged runner, touched 2nd.
Ron Hansen Washington Senators SS July 30, 1968 1st Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Mickey Morandini Philadelphia Phillies 2B September 20, 1992 6th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
John Valentin Boston Red Sox SS July 8, 1994 6th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Randy Velarde Oakland Athletics 2B May 29, 2000 6th Caught line drive, tagged runner, touched 2nd.
Rafael Furcal Atlanta Braves SS August 10, 2003 5th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.[2]
Troy Tulowitzki Colorado Rockies SS April 29, 2007 7th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.[3]
Asdrúbal Cabrera Cleveland Indians 2B May 12, 2008 5th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.[4]
Eric Bruntlett Philadelphia Phillies 2B August 23, 2009 9th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.

[foghorn]

Well, all wins aren't pretty, and this one sure wasn't. I'm really impressed with Jason Werth; he's in a terrific groove.
We've got :1. a shut down ace (Lee); 2-3. two very solid starters( Happ, Blanton); 4. a good starter(Hammels); 5. hope we score a lot of runs pitcher (Martinez/Moyer). That's good and I think that's how the staff will perform the rest of the season.
Of course, at playoff time, Martnez/Moyer may not be needed. Even better!

[Ivytalk]

15

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unassisted_triple_play



Name ↓ Team ↓ Position ↓ Date ↓ Inning ↓ How ↓
Neal Ball Cleveland Naps SS July 19, 1909 2nd Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Bill Wambsganss Cleveland Indians 2B October 10, 1920 5th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner. Game 5 of the 1920 World Series.
George Burns Boston Red Sox 1B September 14, 1923 2nd Caught line drive, tagged runner off 1st, touched 2nd.
Ernie Padgett Boston Braves SS October 6, 1923 4th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Glenn Wright Pittsburgh Pirates SS May 7, 1925 9th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
(FIRST unassisted triple play to end game)
Jimmy Cooney Chicago Cubs SS May 30, 1927 4th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Johnny Neun Detroit Tigers 1B May 31, 1927 9th Caught line drive, tagged runner, touched 2nd.
Ron Hansen Washington Senators SS July 30, 1968 1st Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Mickey Morandini Philadelphia Phillies 2B September 20, 1992 6th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
John Valentin Boston Red Sox SS July 8, 1994 6th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.
Randy Velarde Oakland Athletics 2B May 29, 2000 6th Caught line drive, tagged runner, touched 2nd.
Rafael Furcal Atlanta Braves SS August 10, 2003 5th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.[2]
Troy Tulowitzki Colorado Rockies SS April 29, 2007 7th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.[3]
Asdrúbal Cabrera Cleveland Indians 2B May 12, 2008 5th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.[4]
Eric Bruntlett Philadelphia Phillies 2B August 23, 2009 9th Caught line drive, touched 2nd, tagged runner.

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You know yer beisbol!:D

[93henfan]

You know yer beisbol!:D

Not really. I just have a dangerously blind faith in Wiki. :p

[Ivytalk]

And Cliff Lee goes tomorrow. Sweet!xnodx

[ngineer]

Ok so now Eric Bruntlett is in the record books. For the stats minded folks How many unassisted triple Plays have there been?

To take it one step further....How many games ENDED on a an unassisted triple play in MLB history???;) Answer coming up...

[ngineer]

According MLB Tonight, the only other unassisted triple play to end a game happened in 1924 by one Harry Noone.xrotatehx

[MR. CHICKEN]

According MLB Tonight, the only other unassisted triple play to end a game happened in 1924 by one Harry Noone.xrotatehx

COOD DAT BE PETER NOONE'S...GRAN' DADDY....xconfusedx....AWK!

WHAA...WOOD YA NAME UH PERSON.....PETER....xconfusedxxconfusedx.....DOODL E-DOO!

[blukeys]

According MLB Tonight, the only other unassisted triple play to end a game happened in 1924 by one Harry Noone.xrotatehx

Great for Eric, He is now one of those great MLB trivia questions. He is now immortal.

[93henfan]

Great for Eric, He is now one of those great MLB trivia questions. He is now immortal.

I'll bet he's the first player ever to make an error and turn an unassisted triple play in the same inning in MLB History. Now that's immortal! :p

[93henfan]

How about the top half of the first inning today? Ollie Perez gets pulled from the game after 47 pitches with two outs and a 3-0 count on Pedro Martinez. Talk about humiliating. The top half of the first lasted 26 minutes.

[blukeys]

Howard 3 run homer in the 1st. Howard now has over 100 RBI's for the season.

[blukeys]

Terrible defense by the Phils in bottom of 1st. 2 unearned runs score is 3-2 Phils after 1.

[blukeys]

2 run shot into the upper deck by Howard. Howard 5 Mets 2. Howard now has 26 RBI's for the month of August.

[GannonFan]

Crazy game - 5 errors combined for the teams in the first 3 innings, but Howard's bat is more than enough right now. Mets starter is already over 70 pitches through 3 innings so we'll be feasting on the tired bullpen again. Lee, on the other hand, looks in control as always. It's good to be the champs! xthumbsupx

[blukeys]

Lee another zero earned run game. Phils win 6-2

[93henfan]

Lee's ERA as a Phillie drops to 0.68, to go along with his 5-0 record. xthumbsupx

[GannonFan]

Magic number drops to 33. xthumbsupx

Actually the Phils are now just percentage points behind the Dodgers for the best record in the National League (still up by 4 in the loss column on the Cardinals). And September is filled with games against the slew of bad teams in the NL Central and 6 games against the Nats. Everything is just rosey in Philly land right now. (knock on wood) xthumbsupx

[blukeys]

Magic number drops to 33. xthumbsupx

Actually the Phils are now just percentage points behind the Dodgers for the best record in the National League (still up by 4 in the loss column on the Cardinals). And September is filled with games against the slew of bad teams in the NL Central and 6 games against the Nats. Everything is just rosey in Philly land right now. (knock on wood) xthumbsupx

Not to mention another series against a Triple A team. The Pittsburgh Pirates.

[93henfan]

To think that this team is playing .667 ball since the all-star break with subpar performances from Cole Hamels, Brad Lidge, and Raul Ibanez...

They might wrap up a spot by Sep 20th (or so) if those guys come around. Lidge and Ibanez both looked like they might already be turning the corner in this series.

[93henfan]

xlolx

http://www.thefightins.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/****iField.PNG

[93henfan]

xlolx

14385

[ngineer]

xlolx

14385

Great photo--and shirt!!! Where can I can I get one. I have this friend who is a HUGE Mets fan, and,well, you know......;):D

[93henfan]

Great photo--and shirt!!! Where can I can I get one. I have this friend who is a HUGE Mets fan, and,well, you know......;):D

I would guess that shirt was sold in the parking lot. I wonder if MILF knew what she was buying when sonny boy asked for the money?

[blukeys]

I would guess that shirt was sold in the parking lot. I wonder if MILF knew what she was buying when sonny boy asked for the money?

That Girl is the Mom of that kid???!!! I've got to go to more Phils' games!!!xnodx

[whitey]

LOL. Great t-shirt.

[89Hen]

I wonder if MILF knew what she was buying when sonny boy asked for the money?


That Girl is the Mom of that kid???!!! I've got to go to more Phils' games!!!xnodx
No kidding! xeekx xbowx xbowx

[89Hen]

Lee's ERA as a Phillie drops to 0.68, to go along with his 5-0 record. xthumbsupx
Hey, what was the name of that guy from Toronto the Phillies were trying to trade for earlier this year? xconfusedx

[93henfan]

Hey, what was the name of that guy from Toronto the Phillies were trying to trade for earlier this year? xconfusedx

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iam1HOvcj4fRpXMD4eauz0Q1q27gD9A9UMSO0

[89Hen]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iam1HOvcj4fRpXMD4eauz0Q1q27gD9A9UMSO0
xoopsx xwhistlex

[blukeys]

You know I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when the Toronto GM heard the news that the Phils had traded for Lee. I bet the language would have made a sailor blush.

[89Hen]

Actually the Phils are now just percentage points behind the Dodgers for the best record in the National League (still up by 4 in the loss column on the Cardinals).
Phils are 72-50 right now and one year ago to the day they were 72-59. How are they over a week behind in games played?

[93henfan]

Phils are 72-50 right now and one year ago to the day they were 72-59. How are they over a week behind in games played?

Last season started on 31 March for the Phils. This season started on 5 April. That accounts for five games right there. The fact that you included the game from Aug 25th, 2008 but no game has yet been played today accounts for the sixth game. Another two are rainouts against the Mets and Marlins that will be played as double-headers in September. The remaining game was likely an off day different somewhere.

The Phils have 30 games scheduled for September. A six man rotation from Sep 13th through the 22nd might not be a bad idea.

[93henfan]

Phils are 72-50 right now and one year ago to the day they were 72-59. How are they over a week behind in games played?

Last season started on 31 March for the Phils. This season started on 5 April. That accounts for five games right there. The fact that you included the game from Aug 25th, 2008 but no game has yet been played today accounts for the sixth game. Another two are rainouts against the Mets and Marlins that will be played as double-headers in September. The remaining game was likely an off day different somewhere.

The Phils have 30 games scheduled for September. A six man rotation from Sep 13th through the 22nd might not be a bad idea.

[93henfan]

Ben Francisco with the pinch-hit, game-tying RBI double in the top of the 9th!

RA Jr. = MLB exec of the year

[93henfan]

Lol - McCutcheon misjudges Victorino's shot to center! Phils up 4-3.

Btw, how about Ruiz's throw to catch McCutcheon stealing for only the second time this year. On the money.

This team is a joy to watch. Here's hoping Lidge is up to the task in a few minutes.

[93henfan]

Blown save number nine and the loss.

Way to go Lidge.

Single, wild pitch, single, HR. No outs. Phenomenal. xnonono2x

[Ivytalk]

Blown save number nine and the loss.

Way to go Lidge.

Single, wild pitch, single, HR. No outs. Phenomenal. xnonono2x

The Phils seem to be snakebit in Pittsburgh over the last few years, and Lidge continues his year-long meltdown. Gotta get Myers back for some '07-style closing mojo.

[bluehenbillk]

Part of me asks why Chollie is throwing Lidge out there 4 days in a row, but that shouldn't matter, the Pirates are a AAA team.

Hurry up back Myers.

[ngineer]

Our kitchen was blue with smoke several minutes ago...and it wasn't from cooking.xmadx My wife came downstairs and wondered if I hurt myself doing something. I've about had it with the attempts to resurrect Lidge. If he aint straightened out by September, they need to look at some Plan B, C, or D's...

[GannonFan]

Yeah, as blown saves go, that wasn't a good one. Lidge hadn't been hit hard lately, but they flat out smoked him tonight.

[MR. CHICKEN]

BRAD HAD SQWAT.......PIRATES ARE UH THORN...........BRAWK/OBAMA/BIDEN!!

[93henfan]

Yeah, as blown saves go, that wasn't a good one.

And when is a blown save a good one?

[MR. CHICKEN]

WERTH HAS HAD DUH BOBBLES LATELY...:(...AWK!!

[93henfan]

WERTH HAS HAD DUH BOBBLES LATELY...:(...AWK!!

Not to mention if his throw after his bobble in the 9th hadn't been five feet to Ruiz's right, Bixler would have been dead at the plate. Of course, Lidge made that all a moot point with his room service to the Bucs.

[93henfan]

The Phils seem to be snakebit in Pittsburgh over the last few years


.......PIRATES ARE UH THORN...........

True dat.

Phils at PNC Park: 10-16

[GannonFan]

And when is a blown save a good one?

If he had blown the one against the Mets after the first 2 errors, that may have been one. Basically, a blown save when the closer hasn't done anything himself to blow the save.

[MR. CHICKEN]

LOOKED UP..."OUTTAH HERE"......IN WEBSTERS.........HAD PICS...O' CROMIER....."WILD THING".....&.....LIDGE........xeekx.......BRAWK!!

[93henfan]

If he had blown the one against the Mets after the first 2 errors, that may have been one. Basically, a blown save when the closer hasn't done anything himself to blow the save.

It wouldn't be his fault, but I wouldn't consider it good by any means.

[93henfan]

Feel free to throw stones at me, but...

Could Pedro be a closer in the postseason?

[Ivytalk]

I understand Uncle Cholly's loyalty and Lidge's fragile psyche, but it's time for a change. The Phils have blown big leads in September before, and 9 blown saves is enough. Phillie fans will always remember Lidge's fabulous 2008 season, and rightly so, but this is another year and -- apparently -- a different "closer."xsmhx

[93henfan]

I understand Uncle Cholly's loyalty and Lidge's fragile psyche, but it's time for a change. The Phils have blown big leads in September before, and 9 blown saves is enough. Phillie fans will always remember Lidge's fabulous 2008 season, and rightly so, but this is another year and -- apparently -- a different "closer."xsmhx

Bad news for ya. Uncle C's quotes after last night's game:


We've got to stay with him, he's got to keep going. What the hell? That's all we can do... ...That's where we're at. That's our closer. I've said it all along. That's the guy that we give the ball to in the ninth inning.

That being said, a rested Lidge could again be on the mound in Oct/Nov throwing the final pitch of the World Series and then we'll look back at our posts in August and laugh at how worried we were about our closer spot.

At the very least, Chollie has got to try to pick and choose his Lidge outings. No more four days of work in a row. Spell him a few times with Myers in September and see how it goes.

[ngineer]

And when is a blown save a good one?

Ask Capps...he blew it and got the win!! That's a ridiculous scoring system IMO. The starter should get credit for win in this situation. xsmhx

[ngineer]

I understand Uncle Cholly's loyalty and Lidge's fragile psyche, but it's time for a change. The Phils have blown big leads in September before, and 9 blown saves is enough. Phillie fans will always remember Lidge's fabulous 2008 season, and rightly so, but this is another year and -- apparently -- a different "closer."xsmhx


Bring on Kyra Sedgewick!!!! She can close me out anytime.;)

[93henfan]

Ask Capps...he blew it and got the win!! That's a ridiculous scoring system IMO. The starter should get credit for win in this situation. xsmhx

Great point.

[Ivytalk]

Ask Capps...he blew it and got the win!! That's a ridiculous scoring system IMO. The starter should get credit for win in this situation. xsmhx

Unless the starter went to Princeton, like the Pirate kid last night!:p

Actually, he pitched a pretty good game, outside of the two taters to Rollins.

[93henfan]

You gotta be ****ing me. Madson blows the save tonight, ruining 8 strong shutout innings from Cole Hamels.

Dreadful. Just dreadful.

Fourteen blown saves now between Madson and Lidge.

On to bonus innings. 1-1.

[foghorn]

But, Madson got the win and was clocked at 99mph. That HR he served up was a changeup clocked at 87mph. That's faster then Moyer's best fastball. Madson did OK and at this point I'd give him the nod over Lidge, who appears to need an overhaul, if not a lobotomy.
Way to go, Ryan "the big man" Howard. xbowxxbowxxbowxxbowxxbowx
You too, Cole Hamels. xbowxxbowxxbowxxbowxxbowxxbowx

[MR. CHICKEN]

LOOKED UP..."OUTTAH HERE"......IN WEBSTERS.........HAD PICS...O' CROMIER....."WILD THING".....&.....LIDGE........xeekx.......BRAWK!!

&...B]MADSON[/B].....xeekx.......BRAWK!

[MR. CHICKEN]

LOOKED UP..."OUTTAH HERE"......IN WEBSTERS.........HAD PICS...O' CROMIER....."WILD THING".....&.....LIDGE........xeekx.......BRAWK!!


OOPS!.....FO'GOT.....MADSON.....xeekx....AWK!

[ngineer]

See Myers tonight in Reading...Lights out...struck out the side in one inning, went two innings with no hits. He's lookin' ready to me...xnodx

[93henfan]

See Myers tonight in Reading...Lights out...struck out the side in one inning, went two innings with no hits. He's lookin' ready to me...xnodx

xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

I guess Madson got that elusive good blown save that GF mentioned. ;) Boy did Howard ever bail his arse out of that? Ryan looking out for Ryan. Madson once again showed that he can't handle the closer role. Great velocity, but terrible location when the money's on the line. It's a whole lot different pitching with a three-run lead versus a one-run lead.

This was a huge win for the Phils though. As a streaky team, they seemed ripe to slip into another one of their two-week slumps, and this game might have helped them avert that.

[MR. CHICKEN]

GOOD THIN'.....#6.....HAS UH STRONG BACK....HE'S CARRYIN' 'EM....xnodx.......BRAWK!!

[GannonFan]

xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

I guess Madson got that elusive good blown save that GF mentioned. ;)

Obviously that went way over your head - my point was you can't blame the closer for a blown save when errors, especially errors by others, are the cause of the blown save. Not sure how Madson giving up a dinger in the 9th could be interpreted as a good blown save but hey, to each their own! You're not still miffed that you may have put money down around the All-Star break on the Marlins to win the NL East, are you??? ;)

[89Hen]

Braves possible final chance is coming up and maybe a chance for the Phils to encroach on that double digit lead. Starting tomorrow the Braves play 3 @ Phils and 4 @ Marlins. Would love to see the Phils sweep the Braves and the Braves then take 3 of 4 from the Fish. xeyebrowx

[blukeys]

Magic number = 30

http://riot.ieor.berkeley.edu/~baseball/national_league.html

[93henfan]

Obviously that went way over your head - my point was you can't blame the closer for a blown save when errors, especially errors by others, are the cause of the blown save. Not sure how Madson giving up a dinger in the 9th could be interpreted as a good blown save but hey, to each their own! You're not still miffed that you may have put money down around the All-Star break on the Marlins to win the NL East, are you??? ;)

Learn how to take a joke and you'll live longer. xthumbsupx

[93henfan]

Obviously that went way over your head - my point was you can't blame the closer for a blown save when errors, especially errors by others, are the cause of the blown save. Not sure how Madson giving up a dinger in the 9th could be interpreted as a good blown save but hey, to each their own! You're not still miffed that you may have put money down around the All-Star break on the Marlins to win the NL East, are you??? ;)

The humor obviously went way over your head, as usual. ;)

Please explain the Marlins reference. That might be funny, but I'm not sure. I'll readily admit that that attempt at humor definitely went over my head.

EDIT: OK, found this http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363596&postcount=432. I don't think I ever took the odds. :p

[GannonFan]

Does Vegas take mid-season bets on what teams will win divisions? What odds are the Marlins getting?


The humor obviously went way over your head, as usual. ;)

Please explain the Marlins reference. That might be funny, but I'm not sure. I'll readily admit that that attempt at humor definitely went over my head.

EDIT: OK, found this http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363596&postcount=432. I don't think I ever took the odds. :p

Sure you didn't!!! xlolxxlolx:p

[93henfan]

Sure you didn't!!! xlolxxlolx:p

I again ask, what odds are the Marlins getting in Vegas? Seven games back with 36 to play and they're on a hot streak too. The Phils don't have a Met-like choke in them do they? Inquiring minds want to know! :D

And to think I could have made this bet in my backyard had the 3rd circuit not squashed Markell's plans last week.

[GannonFan]

I again ask, what odds are the Marlins getting in Vegas? Seven games back with 36 to play and they're on a hot streak too. The Phils don't have a Met-like choke in them do they? Inquiring minds want to know! :D

And to think I could have made this bet in my backyard had the 3rd circuit not squashed Markell's plans last week.

By all means, play the bet - or, I could just give you my address and you can send me the money. Both plays will result in the same outcome. xlolx

Maybe you could parlay the bet then - maybe the Marlins to win the division and the Braves to snare the Wild Card?? xlolx

[blukeys]

I again ask, what odds are the Marlins getting in Vegas? Seven games back with 36 to play and they're on a hot streak too. The Phils don't have a Met-like choke in them do they?

For those of us who remember '64, there is no need to refer to the Mets when talking about chokes. Anything is possible. I will say, I would not bet against this group of Phils. They are something special.

[93henfan]

They are something special.

Of course. They're World ******* Champions!

[93henfan]

Happ was one out away from a gem. Seemed to be the story for our pitchers in all three games. Live or die by the HR. Good to get away from PNC.

Home for six games now; Braves then Giants.

At least the Mutts took care of the Fish for us tonight. No ground lost in the division.

[93henfan]

Happ was one out away from a gem. Seemed to be the story for our pitchers in all three games. Live or die by the HR. Good to get away from PNC.

Home for six games now; Braves then Giants.

At least the Mutts took care of the Fish for us tonight. No ground lost in the division.

[ngineer]

That was a damn shame last night. Phils should have blown game open early. So many times when you let a team off the hook early, it comes back to bite you.xsmhx

[93henfan]

That was a damn shame last night. Phils should have blown game open early. So many times when you let a team off the hook early, it comes back to bite you.xsmhx

Yep. Based loaded with no outs right off the bat and they only came away with one run.

Side note: Did you guys see Rollins' play in the bottom of the 5th? I haven't watch Sports Center yet, but it has to be a Top Ten. He was about 20 feet behind the bag and slightly on the second base side when he snagged the ball, popped up, turned on a dime, and threw a laser to Howard to peg the runner. xbowx

[89Hen]

Live or die by the HR.
Both to dead center. Is there something to that?

[93henfan]

Thanks Ryan Madson for making my blood pressure rise about 75 points. xrotatehx

Seven batters faced in the 8th, walks the bases loaded, goes to a 3-1 count, but leaves 'em loaded, only allowing one run.

Deep breaths. Deep breaths. I'm OK.

[93henfan]

Nice work Lidge. Three up, three down with a K for the exclamation point.

Phils with an 8-game lead. xthumbsupx

[Ivytalk]

Two bombs by Howard. Clutch relief by Old Man Moyer. Good night for the Phils!

[93henfan]

Two bombs by Howard. Clutch relief by Old Man Moyer. Good night for the Phils!

Yes indeed. Howard has this team loaded up on his back right now, and that Martinez/Moyer tandem is phenomenal on rainy nights.

[Ivytalk]

Yes indeed. Howard has this team loaded up on his back right now, and that Martinez/Moyer tandem is phenomenal on rainy nights.

Pedro Martinez: Best 2-inning pitcher in baseball!:D

[93henfan]

Pedro Martinez: Best 2-inning pitcher in baseball!:D

Might make an OK, ahem, closer. xeyebrowx

[Ivytalk]

Might make an OK, ahem, closer. xeyebrowx

Or setup man for Brett Myers.xsmiley_wix

[ngineer]

Lidge looked like his old self tonight. Slider workin' like last year. Ryan is 'locked in' right now. Phils up by 9 in the loss column.xnodx

[Ivytalk]

Lidge looked like his old self tonight. Slider workin' like last year. Ryan is 'locked in' right now. Phils up by 9 in the loss column.xnodx

Got my tix to Dollar Dog Nite on 9/28!:D

[blukeys]

Lidge looked like his old self tonight. Slider workin' like last year. Ryan is 'locked in' right now. Phils up by 9 in the loss column.xnodx

I love that part of the season where Howard gets hot. I've been at games when he gets on a roll and the rise in excitement level when He steps to the plate is discernable. Everyone sits up in their seats and all eyes are locked on the plate. When he ties into one it is apparent from the time the ball hits the bat that the ball is getting out of the park and the crowd instantly responds. Let's hope he keeps it up.

[93henfan]

This just in: Cliff Lee is human after all. xoopsx

[ngineer]

Yes, the streak couldn't go on forever...Even ol' Lefty Carlton had some 'off nights'...still the Phils blew a ton of chances tonight to score a bunch of runs.

[93henfan]

...still the Phils blew a ton of chances tonight to score a bunch of runs.

They're certainly not masters of the small-ball.

[ngineer]

They're certainly not masters of the small-ball.

Yes. INteresting stat mentioned tonight during the telecast---46% of the Phillies runs this year have come via the homerun!!xrotatehx
xeekx

[ngineer]

Great game tonight by the Fightin's...slick defense and timely hitting. And Blanton has continued to be his consistent self. And last, but certainly not least, LIDGE for the second night in three nails down a tight save with the ol' nasty.xnodxxthumbsupx

[93henfan]

Small-ball was played somewhat tonight, though they still left way too many on base. Feliz puts down a nice bunt and then Ruiz knocks two in in the seventh. Madson looked bad, but Eyre bailed him out. Lidge. xbowx

Braves play Marlins tomorrow and the Phils are off, so the Phils will take a 7 1/2 game lead into September. Life is good.

[Ivytalk]

Tough home series coming up against the Giants, who are fighting for the WC and swept the Rockies over the weekend. Lincecum starts on Wednesday.

[93henfan]

Bit of Drabek news:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Phillies_shut_down_Drabek.html


Double-A Reading righthander Kyle Drabek, generally regarded as the Phillies' best pitching prospect, will not be called up after roster limits are expanded Tuesday.

In fact, the team announced Sunday that he has been shut down for the remainder of the season.

The announcement stressed that Drabek is not injured but that this was instead a “proactive” move to protect a 21-year-old who has already thrown 158 innings between Class A Clearwater and Reading this season (61.2 at Clearwater and 96.1 at Reading).

He has been placed on the temporary inactive list.

Drabek is not scheduled to participate in the Arizona Fall League or Forida Instructional League this offseason.

Sounds like a shrewd move to me. Keep him fresh.

[GannonFan]

Yeah, no problem with the move with Drabek. Just a year after major surgery and he throws almost 160 innings, that's more than enough. Heck, the Yanks have Jobba on about the same inning count and he doesn't have the recent history of arm trouble. Figure at the rate that Drabek is progressing, we could see him at some point next season in Philly, or at least hopefully ready to join the rotation in 2011. Probably optimistic, but right now, no reason to be anything but.

[ngineer]

Looking forward to seeing Drabek in Allentown next season for the Iron Pigs!xnodx

[bluehenbillk]

Let's see if Hamels can pitch lights out twice in a row tonight.

[93henfan]

Let's see if Hamels can pitch lights out twice in a row tonight.

I'll drink to that. With Happ's recent shellacking and lack of playoff experience, you really have to hope Cole makes Happ a non-issue in determining the playoff rotation.

I guess it's human nature, but this team seems to have a do-what-it-takes mentality throughout the roster. When they get these 6-8 game leads, the offense (with Howard an exception) seems to mail it in. Then if there looks like a threat of another team or two making a run on the division lead, they score 20 runs in a series. The same has hopefully happened with Hamels and Lidge. They sort of cruised through the season and now that September's here hopefully they're putting their foot back on the gas pedal.

[ngineer]

I'll drink to that. With Happ's recent shellacking and lack of playoff experience, you really have to hope Cole makes Happ a non-issue in determining the playoff rotation.

I guess it's human nature, but this team seems to have a do-what-it-takes mentality throughout the roster. When they get these 6-8 game leads, the offense (with Howard an exception) seems to mail it in. Then if there looks like a threat of another team or two making a run on the division lead, they score 20 runs in a series. The same has hopefully happened with Hamels and Lidge. They sort of cruised through the season and now that September's here hopefully they're putting their foot back on the gas pedal.

I wouldn't call Happ's last outing a "shellacking". Gave up the gopher ball with two out in the 7th and lost 3-2..xconfusedx

[93henfan]

Welcome back Cole! We missed ya. xthumbsupx

Unbelievable effort. 2-hitter, retiring 21 batters in a row at one point. Beautiful pickoff in the 9th of the Gigantes second baserunner of the night. 9 Ks and only three men on base for the night. xbowx

Howard (of course) with the game-winning RBI. xbowx

Put another one in the win column for the Fightin' Phils.

PHI 1 - SF 0

[93henfan]

I wouldn't call Happ's last outing a "shellacking". Gave up the gopher ball with two out in the 7th and lost 3-2..xconfusedx

You're right. For some reason I was thinking of his July shellacking as being more recent. Memory played a trick on me.

[93henfan]

A few tidbits:

This was the Phils' first 1-0 win of the year.

Cole Hamels got his first stolen base of the year.

Should the Dodgers lose tonight, the Phils would be the top NL team by virtue of winning percentage.

Tim Lincecum, originally slated to start tomorrow night, has been bumped to Thursday night. Recently acquired Brad Penny will start tomorrow vs J.A. Happ. Pedro goes for the Phils on Thursday.

[93henfan]

A few tidbits:

This was the Phils' first 1-0 win of the year.

Cole Hamels got his first stolen base of the year.

Should the Dodgers lose tonight, the Phils would be the top NL team by virtue of winning percentage.

Tim Lincecum, originally slated to start tomorrow night, has been bumped to Thursday night. Recently acquired Brad Penny will start tomorrow vs J.A. Happ. Pedro goes for the Phils on Thursday.

[bluehenbillk]

All Hail the return of Mr. Hamels.

[93henfan]

Interesting comment on WIP yesterday that I hadn't pondered, but tend to agree with:

The Phils have their franchise all-time greatests currently playing at the 1B, 2B, and SS positions. There was even some debate about Victorino vs Ashburn at CF, but Whitey came out the victor in that debate. Also some debate about Rollins vs Bowa at SS, but J-Roll prevailed.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Interesting comment on WIP yesterday that I hadn't pondered, but tend to agree with:

The Phils have their franchise all-time greatests currently playing at the 1B, 2B, and SS positions. There was even some debate about Victorino vs Ashburn at CF, but Whitey came out the victor in that debate. Also some debate about Rollins vs Bowa at SS, but J-Roll prevailed.

No love for this guy at second base?

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/mickey_morandini_autograph.jpg

:p

Harry Kalas used to love to say his name in the play-by-play and he never called just "Morandini".

"A Beautiful back handed stab by Mickey Morandini."

;)

[89Hen]

No love for this guy at second base?

Harry Kalas used to love to say his name in the play-by-play and he never called just "Morandini".

"A Beautiful back handed stab by Mickey Morandini."

;)
xlolx When I pulled up the thread, I could only see down to the picture and the first thing that popped in my head was HK saying "Mickey Morandini". xlolx xnodx xlolx

[UNCBears2010]

Thank you Phils for beating the Giants last night! Can you do it 2 more times now, please?

[grizband]

Thank you Phils for beating the Giants last night! Can you do it 2 more times now, please?
Damn you Mets for blowing an early lead to the Rockies! Please don't let it happen again.

[GannonFan]

Damn you Mets for blowing an early lead to the Rockies! Please don't let it happen again.

Uhh, that's what the Mets do, they blow early leads. Whether it be over a whole season or within a single game. And that was before they could bemoan injuries this year. xlolxxlolxxlolx

[blukeys]

As an aside. The Washington Nats have been eliminated from 1st place for the Division Title. (They have not been eliminated from the Wild Card). The Baltimore O's share the same situation in the AL.

[UNCBears2010]

Damn you Mets for blowing an early lead to the Rockies! Please don't let it happen again.

It won't. They won't have any more early leads to blow, certainly not tonight against the most underrated pitcher in baseball.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EmO8NaXf7dU/SiwrF9RfpRI/AAAAAAAAANk/E2rosx80bDs/s320/Ubaldo+Jimenez+2.jpg

[MR. CHICKEN]

UH PENNY FOR YER THOUGHTS.......PHIGHTIN' FANS..........xtwocentsx......BRAWK/OBAMA/BIDEN!!!

[DSUrocks07]

As an aside. The Washington Nats have been eliminated from 1st place for the Division Title. (They have not been eliminated from the Wild Card). The Baltimore O's share the same situation in the AL.

Damn, they was my sleeper team in the East this year...looks like they just got put to sleep xlolx

[ngineer]

UH PENNY FOR YER THOUGHTS.......PHIGHTIN' FANS..........xtwocentsx......BRAWK/OBAMA/BIDEN!!!

Played like ZERO Mostel tonight..if that makes CENTS...;)

[MR. CHICKEN]

Played like ZERO Mostel tonight..if that makes CENTS...;)


DUH GOLIATHS.........CAN GO YARD.....IT AIN'T ALL...'BOUT.....SMALL BALL.....xeekx.....AWK!

[89Hen]

As an aside. The Washington Nats have been eliminated from 1st place for the Division Title. (They have not been eliminated from the Wild Card). The Baltimore O's share the same situation in the AL.
Great baseball we have around here. xoopsx

[bluehenbillk]

It's a simple game: You throw the ball, you catch the ball, let's try hitting the ball a little more, coughRaulcough.

[DSUrocks07]

It's a simple game: You throw the ball, you catch the ball, let's try hitting the ball a little more, coughRaulcough.

10 for his last 75 ABs
22 HRs in the first two months, 5 HRs since

still swinging for the fences, but only has warning track power...looks like age is catching up to him xsmhx

[93henfan]

coughRaulcough

Unless he is still injured and not admitting it, I'll tip my hat to Hoyadestroya and say that Raul is no improvement over Burrell. Burrell, while national spokesperson for "whiff"leball, could usually be counted on to tighten up in August and September and start hitting some game-winners. Raul has disappeared since the groin problem and the All-Star break. He has sort of had the reverse of a typical Burrell season.

[GannonFan]

You're giving much, too much credit to Burrell. I don't ever recall him being a player that really turned it on come the end of the season. Fine player, but even with Ibanez's extended slump we're not really missing Burrell. Heck, Ibanez could not get another hit for the rest of the season and his play in the outfield alone will be better than Burrell's full game.

Where Ibanez is looking like Burrell, obviously, is at the plate. His one saving grace was that he wasn't going to be as streaky as Burrell was and would be a more consistent bat. Unfortunately, this type of extended cold streak at the plate is exactly what we used to get from Burrell (without the really hot streak we saw at the start of the year).

On the bright side, with Ibanez only signed through next year, there will be a chance for Michael Taylor to work his way onto the Major League club pretty soon - another nice little bonus from working the magic in that Cliff Lee deal and not giving up anyone of note. xthumbsupx

[Ivytalk]

Those Giants can go a long way in the playoffs with that staff, assuming they make the WC. And they have Lincecum against Pedro today.xoopsxxeekx

[93henfan]

You're giving much, too much credit to Burrell.

How so? I said that Ibanez is no real improvement over Burrell. Raul looks like he'll finish the season with Burrell's typical ~.260 with ~30 HRs. Raul's fielding% is .995 while Burrell's was .991 last year. I'll give you that Raul is a bit faster, but even he appears to lumber around from time to time.

Plus, in money time, Burrell gave us 3 HRs in the playoffs last year. Burrell was always good for the late-season clutch HRs after looking like a bad golfer for the first half of the season. Do you think Raul is up to that task?

I'll reiterate that I think Raul may be trying to glaze over that he may still be feeling some lingering effects from the groin. The first half Raul was certainly better than the career Burrell. If he can return to that form (or even close to it) next season, I'll reconsider.

Taking a look at Burrell's career by-month split, he certainly trended toward HRs in the latter half of the season:

First/Second Half: 123/141
April: 36
May: 48
June: 39
July: 46
August: 53
September: 42

[blukeys]

You're giving much, too much credit to Burrell. I don't ever recall him being a player that really turned it on come the end of the season. Fine player, but even with Ibanez's extended slump we're not really missing Burrell. Heck, Ibanez could not get another hit for the rest of the season and his play in the outfield alone will be better than Burrell's full game.

Where Ibanez is looking like Burrell, obviously, is at the plate. His one saving grace was that he wasn't going to be as streaky as Burrell was and would be a more consistent bat. Unfortunately, this type of extended cold streak at the plate is exactly what we used to get from Burrell (without the really hot streak we saw at the start of the year).

On the bright side, with Ibanez only signed through next year, there will be a chance for Michael Taylor to work his way onto the Major League club pretty soon - another nice little bonus from working the magic in that Cliff Lee deal and not giving up anyone of note. xthumbsupx

I think the reality for the Phils last year was dollars and cents. Burrell wanted and got more from the free agency market than the Phils thought he was worth to their team. With a minor lieague system very well stocked with potential quality outfilelders (Don't forget Mayberry in addition to Taylor) there was no need to try and tie up Burrell with a costly and lengthy contract. The Phils got some solid years from Burrell although many thought he shouldhave produced more. IBanez is a more than adequate replacement for Burrell.

I do think that any groin or hamstring injury has a much longer impact than folks are ready to admit. Both injuries effect an athlete's stride. More important it gets the athlete thinking about his stride which is probably the worst thing they can do.

[ngineer]

As much as I liked Pat, I think Ibanez has been an improvement, overall. Me thinks he gets his act together and will finish around .285 with around 30 HRs. Also a little more mobile in the outfield and a smart (not necessarily fast) baserunner. I agree, the overall deal was premised on what the Phillies saw 'coming up' with Taylor and Mayberry.

[GannonFan]

Certainly Ibanez is a better baserunner and fielder, and his slugging numbers this year are almost 50 points higher than what Burrell averaged here. And seeing Burrell's decline this year, and considering his fragile nature normally, even though he may be 5 calendar years younger than Ibanez there's a very good chance they're both in the same decline age-wise.

All of this is moot, of course, since as others have said, Mayberry and Taylor and Dominic Brown are all in the wings waiting. Eventually the Phils are going to have to shed some payroll as they continue to win and LF is one spot where that's going to happen to let the younger, and cheaper, guys step in.

[ngineer]

Certainly Ibanez is a better baserunner and fielder, and his slugging numbers this year are almost 50 points higher than what Burrell averaged here. And seeing Burrell's decline this year, and considering his fragile nature normally, even though he may be 5 calendar years younger than Ibanez there's a very good chance they're both in the same decline age-wise.

All of this is moot, of course, since as others have said, Mayberry and Taylor and Dominic Brown are all in the wings waiting. Eventually the Phils are going to have to shed some payroll as they continue to win and LF is one spot where that's going to happen to let the younger, and cheaper, guys step in.

Yes, I forgot about Brown. Very promising prospect.

[blukeys]

Werth hits his 30th. Game tied 1-1

[93henfan]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/13/88002028_a82fe674e5.jpg

[93henfan]

Glad I put on my Depends undergarment before Lidge took the mound tonight!

[blukeys]

Phils win a series with only 3 runs in 3 games. Hate to see the slump but glad to see some winning small ball.

[93henfan]

Phils win a series with only 3 runs in 3 games. Hate to see the slump but glad to see some winning small ball.

On the bright side, they took the series from a potential playoff opponent with their ace pitching and Cliff Lee not. Three runs on the SF staff ain't half bad.

[93henfan]

Time of tonight's game: 2:08. I love when I can watch a ballgame and be doing other stuff by 9:30.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Did Pedro look as good as the box score would indicate?

[93henfan]

Did Pedro look as good as the box score would indicate?

Yes. You can't fake 9 (I think) Ks.

Madson was phenomenal as well.

Lidge was phenomenal through 2.99 at bats. Then he gave up a seeing eye ground ball just to Utley's left and then it got scary.

[blukeys]

Did Pedro look as good as the box score would indicate?

Pedro gave up a leadoff homer than was lights out. He probably could have gone longer.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Yes. You can't fake 9 (I think) Ks.

I suppose you're right. I was just very surprised to see how effective Martinez was. I guess I pictured a lot of outs courtesy of screaming line drives hit right at outfielders and long fly ball caught up against the fence. :)

[blukeys]

Nats eliminated from wild card. They can now focus on catching the Mets for 4th place.

[ngineer]

Did Pedro look as good as the box score would indicate?

Absolutely. Other than the lead off HR, he was fantastic and was set to go out in the 8th but for Ruiz's double, which caused Cholley to PH with Stairs. Pedro only threw 87 pitches and had 9Ks!!!!

Werth's HR was a monster--435 ' into the upper deck at CBP which is set very far back. Very few have reached that level. Real 'playoff type' atmosphere and Lidge has now stood tall 4 straight appearances. Myers is back...I feel like a gynecologist....things are 'looking up';):D

[grizband]

Only Lincecum can go 7, give up 2ER, strike out 11, and still lose!!!! The Giants have the worst offense for a team in playoff contention I have ever seen. This is ridiculous.

[blukeys]

Only Lincecum can go 7, give up 2ER, strike out 11, and still lose!!!! The Giants have the worst offense for a team in playoff contention I have ever seen. This is ridiculous.

I will agree that of this year's teams in contention the Giants would come in last offensively whether it is the NL or AL but I don't consider the situation ridiculous or even that unusual.

A teams offensive prowess vs. quality pitching tends to go in cycles. Unless you are the Yankees and can buy both offense and pitching, most teams have to look at their strengths and see if they have a surplus of assets that will allow them to acquire help in their weak areas. I am sure that the Giants could get some really good bats for someone like Lincecum but who in their right mind would trade him?

The Giants have the young quality arms that can always keep a team in the game and they are correct to marshall this resource. The quality and depth of their rotation reminds me of the 60's Dodgers whose best offensive weapon was Maury Wills' base stealing ability. With Koufax and Drysdale leading the way the Dodgers were always pennant contenders and of course World Series Winners in the Mid 60's. The Dodgers are the most dramatic example but there are others as well.

Candidly, the Giants concern me more than the other Wild Card contenders. In a short series they can shut down a good hitting team and they have enough offense to win a few 3-2, 2-1 ball games.

While offense fills the seats. Defense and pitching still win championships.

[GannonFan]

While offense fills the seats. Defense and pitching still win championships.

Luckily, the Phils happen to have the pitching and the defense to do just that!! xthumbsupx

[Ivytalk]

Now it's off to Houston, where Cliff Lee will take the mound in an effort for his 6th Phillie win!xnodxxbowx

[blukeys]

Luckily, the Phils happen to have the pitching and the defense to do just that!! xthumbsupx

Agreed. I think we are seeing Hamels and Lidge come around and with Meyers being called up this will be a very deep pitching staff.

I hope I don't jinx these guys but this is as good a defensive team as I have seen in the Red Pin stripes. The Utley/Rollins DP combination is second to none. I love our defense in Right and Center field. Ruiz behind the plate is really solid.

[foghorn]

60's Dodgers whose best offensive weapon was Maury Wills' base stealing ability. With Koufax and Drysdale leading the way
Especially with Koufax pitching. 1st inning: Wills walks, steals second, gets to 3rd on a ground ball to 2nd baseman, scores on a sac fly. Dodgers win, 1-0. Koufax was the best, but with the money on the line, I'd take Gibson. xnodx

[blukeys]

Especially with Koufax pitching. 1st inning: Wills walks, steals second, gets to 3rd on a ground ball to 2nd baseman, scores on a sac fly. Dodgers win, 1-0. Koufax was the best, but with the money on the line, I'd take Gibson. xnodx

Well as Tim McCarver always said. "Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. Every time he pitches the other team doesn't score any runs."

[Ivytalk]

Phils laid a giant turd with a 7-0 loss in Houston. Lee shelled for the second straight game, and the inept offense managed to make Wandy Rodriguez look like Sandy Koufax. SMFH.xsmhx

[93henfan]

Did anyone watch this game? From the limited replays I've seen, it looks like the 'Stros' big hits came off of pitches that Lee didn't keep down. Hopefully these last two games for him are just outliers. The offense should come around, but they've definitely taken a week off. Only seven runs scored in the last six games and they still won three of them. Crazy stuff.

[ngineer]

Downright ugly. I only watched to the 8th to see if they'd bring Myers in due to a 'non stressful' situation. Some of the hits off Lee were 'lucky' but he then got tatooed with men on base. Bigger concern for me is the offense. Really in an overall funk.

[UMass922]

Phils laid a giant turd with a 7-0 loss in Houston. Lee shelled for the second straight game, and the inept offense managed to make Wandy Rodriguez look like Sandy Koufax. SMFH.xsmhx

Rodriguez is very quietly having a superb season. He now has 17 starts where he's gone 6+ IP and given up zero or one earned runs--that's more such starts than any of the leading CYA candidates in the NL (Cain has 15, Wainwright 13, Lincecum 12, Haren 12, and Carpenter 9).

[93henfan]

Congratulations Brad Lidge on double-digit blown saves for the year.

One positive: The guy who can take his job faced the minimum in the 8th.

[bluehenbillk]

Grrrrr freakin Lidge can't throw a strike tonight to save his life.

Only question is when will Myers get his shot??

[93henfan]

Only question is when will Myers get his shot??

Hopefully sooner rather than later. Even the uber-loyal Uncle Chollie has to have his limits.

[ngineer]

After my debacle at Goodman today, I did not need this TONIGHT!xmadx The air is slightly blue in Palmer Township tonight....xnonono2x

[ngineer]

Thank God the Fish and Bravos are as pathetic as we are right now....xsmhx

[LacesOut]

Congratulations Brad Lidge on double-digit blown saves for the year.

Ok that made me LOLOLOLOLOL. I think it was the 'Congratulations' thingy.

[93henfan]

Ok that made me LOLOLOLOLOL. I think it was the 'Congratulations' thingy.

It's his only significant contribution this year so far. I didn't want it to go unnoticed.

Btw, the Phillies' franchise record for blown saves is 12, and the major league record is 14, so Brad still has some goals to look forward to. :p

[Ivytalk]

It's his only significant contribution this year so far. I didn't want it to go unnoticed.

Btw, the Phillies' franchise record for blown saves is 12, and the major league record is 14, so Brad still has some goals to look forward to. :p

Who holds the franchise record? Mitch Williams? John Boozer? Jack Baldschun?xconfusedx

[93henfan]

Who holds the franchise record? Mitch Williams? John Boozer? Jack Baldschun?xconfusedx

Franchise:
Mark Leiter, Philadelphia Phillies (1998) - 12

MLB:
Rollie Fingers, Oakland Athletics (1976) - 14
Bruce Sutter, Chicago Cubs (1978) - 14
Bob Stanley, Boston Red Sox (1983) - 14
Ron Davis, Minnesota Twins (1984) - 14

[93henfan]

Happ is a scratch tonight after straining his right oblique in BP on Saturday.

[Ivytalk]

Happ is a scratch tonight after straining his right oblique in BP on Saturday.

Dang. So who starts? Park?

[93henfan]

Dang. So who starts? Park?

Nope. The rainy day special, the elder statesman, the...

Jamie Moyer it is. Phils leading 1-0 bottom of the second.

Edit: Doh, 2-1 on a bomb to LF about 30 secs after I posted. 2-1 'Stros.

[93henfan]

Howard and Ibanez with HRs in the top of the 4th!

Howard's shot hit about 40 feet up on the concrete wall in left center directly over the 408 ft sign at the 'Stros' stadium. Just a mammoth shot.

Good to see Raul finally get ahold of one after a drought.

3-2 Phils top 4th.

[DSUrocks07]

Park blows it in the 7th. 2 earned and was pulled with the bases loaded with only one out.

Phils get swept in H-Town. Lose 4-3

[93henfan]

With two slow-moving weather systems converging on the area, the next series in DC has the potential for multiple washouts. With the Phils already having a chock-full September schedule-wise, you have to start wondering how many double-headers they may have to play and what it will do to the staff. They already have two play-two's on the schedule as it is.

[ngineer]

With two slow-moving weather systems converging on the area, the next series in DC has the potential for multiple washouts. With the Phils already having a chock-full September schedule-wise, you have to start wondering how many double-headers they may have to play and what it will do to the staff. They already have two play-two's on the schedule as it is.

So it will be good to have a plethora of starters. Jamie will likely see more action than he expected, and if he can keep up the consistency as he has recently shown, that will be very good. Plus, the rosters are now expanded so Kendrick and Lopez should also be available.

[93henfan]

Chollie is fired up! :p To the Phila Daily News after the sweep:


I don’t know if they’re not used to playing with a big lead in September. But I hear some of them talk. They say, “We’re a team that plays better when we have to, when there’s more pressure and stuff like that. Well, I find that hard to believe when I see us play like we did Sunday. We have a lead, but that’s beside the point. (Bleep) the last couple years. What the hell? That don’t mean (bleep). We’re playing today. Right now. Hey, last year is dead and gone. We’re always playing for today. To hell with that.

[DSUrocks07]

Chollie is fired up! :p To the Phila Daily News after the sweep:

He must be. He just yanked Lidge from tonight's game after he leaves the bases loaded with one out.

[93henfan]

Wow. Phils take a 5-3 lead into the ninth. Lidge gives up a single, fielders choice, hits a batter, throws a wild pitch to move the runners to second and third with one out, walks bases loaded and then Chollie yanks him.

You have to think that's the end of the road for Lidge. Chollie looked like he was in pain before coming up the steps. He didn't immediately signal the bullpen. He just said something to Lidge then looked down and raised his right hand for Madson to come out.

On the bright side, Madson got a quick K and a ground out to get the save. xbowx

A much, much needed win. God bless the Washington Natinals!

[DSUrocks07]

I expect Lidge to go on the DL for an "undisclosed" injury by tomorrow.

[93henfan]

Very interested to hear Chollie's post-game presser in a few...

[bluehenbillk]

Wow, you wouldn't think a game against the Nats would be this big.

Lidge probably lost the closer job tonight, waiting to hear the postgame quotes from Chollie and Lidge but if body language speaks volumes you know that's it.

Great to see RAAAAUUUUUULL back in form.

Madson has already proved he can't close, Myers is back and doing everything they're asking, its time to make it his job to lose.

PS- watching post-game comments, its official, Chollie for the 1st time doesn't say Lidge is my closer, there you have it.

[93henfan]

Chollie just had a good quote in the presser. After talking about how much he likes Lidge and his thoughts on having to pull him: "The team and the game are bigger than my heart."

Good to see Chollie realize that loyalty must not be blind.

[93henfan]

Great to see RAAAAUUUUUULL back in form.


Yessir! xnodx Three good games in a row. xthumbsupx

[ngineer]

Chollie just had a good quote in the presser. After talking about how much he likes Lidge and his thoughts on having to pull him: "The team and the game are bigger than my heart."

Good to see Chollie realize that loyalty must not be blind.

Great! I missed the post game as I was talking to my Dad on the phone as I had called him in a panic when Lidge was being brought in. Then after Madson saved the game, I was on the phone again to calm down. Brad, you were 'da man' last year, but the time is now and you aint getting it done. Cholley has given Lidge plenty of rope and he's hung himself with it. Next save situation will be either Myers or Madson..could be a committee of the two depending on rest.

[blukeys]

You know if the Nats didn't exist someone would have to invent some other patsy. Phils get healthy in Washington and have a 12-2 record against the Nats. In short almost half of their games over the .500 level is due to the Nats. The win tonite was a little ugly but the kind of thing that happens when folks play the Nats.

[Ivytalk]

Winning ugly beats the alternative! Madson looked sharp again.xnodx

[93henfan]

You know if the Nats didn't exist someone would have to invent some other patsy. Phils get healthy in Washington and have a 12-2 record against the Nats. In short almost half of their games over the .500 level is due to the Nats. The win tonite was a little ugly but the kind of thing that happens when folks play the Nats.

Gotta love being in a division where the other teams are a collective .456. :D

[ngineer]

I was very surprised to hear tonight that the FIRST team to have four 30HR players in one season was the Dodgers in 1977!! And the Phils became the 12th team since then.xrotatehx

Magic # for the division is now 19.

[bluehenbillk]

I'd rather have Myers in there but Madson got the job done last night. RRRRRAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLL continues to hit. Phillies love the long ball in DC.

[89Hen]

I was very surprised to hear tonight that the FIRST team to have four 30HR players in one season was the Dodgers in 1977!! And the Phils became the 12th team since then.xrotatehx
New ballparks with shorter fences?

[93henfan]

New ballparks with shorter fences?

I'd guess that's the biggest factor, but you can also throw in the institution of the DH in the AL in the 70s, and um, the juice.

[DSUrocks07]

I'd guess that's the biggest factor, but you can also throw in the institution of the DH in the AL in the 70s, and um, the juice.

xconfusedx

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:p

[ngineer]

xconfusedx

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:p

beat me to it...:(;):D

[DSUrocks07]

Fat Stairs gets off the snide...

with a Grand Salami on Rye w/ extra mayo...xlolx

Phillies stage a comeback in the 9th from being down 8-2 in the 9th with one out, but lose tonight 8-7.

[93henfan]

Marlins 5 back again. Can we put them away already?

Seven game homestand vs Mets and Nats next. Gotta hope for no less than five W's out of that to call it a success.

As DSU said, good to see Stairs finally get it going.

[foghorn]

What was Utley thinking not going to second when the catcher couldn't find the ball? He would've made it easily and it would've taken away the DP. Victorino would've scored on the ground ball by Howard. Oh well, they probably didn't deserve this one anyway. xsmhx

[foghorn]

Why didn't Utley go to second when the catcher lost the ball? The DP would've been eliminated and Vic probably would've scored on Howard's grounder to second. The catcher probably wouldn't even have thrown to second with Victorino on third.

[bluehenbillk]

Marlins 5 back again. Can we put them away already?

Seven game homestand vs Mets and Nats next. Gotta hope for no less than five W's out of that to call it a success.

As DSU said, good to see Stairs finally get it going.

I am pulling for 6 out of 7, these two teams stink.

[ngineer]

What was Utley thinking not going to second when the catcher couldn't find the ball? He would've made it easily and it would've taken away the DP. Victorino would've scored on the ground ball by Howard. Oh well, they probably didn't deserve this one anyway. xsmhx

That ball shot right back to home plate. I think he would have been caught. Tonight a wild pitch and the ball bounces 90 degrees to the right. Phils pick up a game tonight by finally getting a few runs late to give Madson a cushion. I had hoped Cholley would keep Myers in for the 9th. Brett only threw 6 pitches in the eighth. Luckily it didn't bite 'em like it did a month or so ago, when Madson threw only 6 pitches in the 8th at Florida, and Lidge blew it in the 9th.

[ngineer]

I am pulling for 6 out of 7, these two teams stink.

Mets will be jpull out all stops to give 'payback' to the Phillies. Despite their deficiencies, NY will not go easily. I 'expect' 5 wins in these two series. 6 -7 is asking alot with the way the Phils are hitting right now. Very inconsistent.

[GannonFan]

The Mets don't have any stops to pull out. This is a team that when they were healthy were dogs in September. Now they're like puppies.

Good win tonight, Phils go back to 6 up, 7 in the loss column. Barring collapses in the series against the Marlins the Phils are looking ahead to possibly a first round series against the Dodgers. I'll take that.

[gmoney55]

The Mets don't have any stops to pull out. This is a team that when they were healthy were dogs in September. Now they're like puppies.

Good win tonight, Phils go back to 6 up, 7 in the loss column. Barring collapses in the series against the Marlins the Phils are looking ahead to possibly a first round series against the Dodgers. I'll take that.

Exactly....and to the extent they have anything, they started out by not playing Beltran tonight. The team is dead, I don't think they are up for this series or any other this year.

[93henfan]

The Mets don't have any stops to pull out. This is a team that when they were healthy were dogs in September. Now they're like puppies.

Good win tonight, Phils go back to 6 up, 7 in the loss column. Barring collapses in the series against the Marlins the Phils are looking ahead to possibly a first round series against the Dodgers. I'll take that.

Yep. The recent mediocre play could help the Phils in playoff seeding. Being second best div winner would force a matchup with the Gigantes. Phils being third gives that "honor" to the Cards, since the Dodgers can't face a div rival in the wildcard round by rule. xthumbsupx

[93henfan]

Good God, what happened to the Giants? I hadn't looked at the west standings in a bit. Boy are the Rockies rolling or what? They may catch the Dodgers at this rate.

Assuming Cards finish as #2 Div winner and Phils #3, the Cards get the Wildcard from the NL West in the wildcard round and the Phils get the NL West winner. Gotta hope the Dodgers hang on. I'd rather face them right now. Plus, we're in their heads from last year and the Rocks could be in the Phils' heads from the year before.

[ngineer]

Good God, what happened to the Giants? I hadn't looked at the west standings in a bit. Boy are the Rockies rolling or what? They may catch the Dodgers at this rate.

Assuming Cards finish as #2 Div winner and Phils #3, the Cards get the Wildcard from the NL West in the wildcard round and the Phils get the NL West winner. Gotta hope the Dodgers hang on. I'd rather face them right now. Plus, we're in their heads from last year and the Rocks could be in the Phils' heads from the year before.

Lincecum on the shelf for one. I think he's missed two starts with some kind of injury.

[Ivytalk]

Unbelievable. Phillies bullpen immolates in 10-9 loss to Mutts.
Bullpen by committee ain't working. Madson blows it. Phils led 9-5 in 8th. Myers sucked. Park sucked. Madson sucked. Unforgivable. No repeat for Phils this year. xmadxxnonono2xxmadxxnonono2x

[MR. CHICKEN]

GET LIDGE IN THERE.......RIDE DUH HORSE.....HE WAS PERFECT....LAST SEASON......ONLY REASONABLE.....TA BELIEVE PERCENTAGES......WOOD CATCH UP........ON DUH HARDWOOD.....WHEN SOMEONE SHOOTS OUT DUH LIGHTS...FROM TREY LAND...ONE NIGHT.....GUESS WHAT.......DEY BRICK UP DUH GYM DUH NEXT........NOBODY...EVEN SHOOTS....50%...EVER IN UH SEASON.......SO LIVE WHIFF LIDGE........&.......AH'M....xmadx....WHIFF OURAH KICKER....WHO HAS ARACHNID-PHOBIA ....xmadxxmadxxmadx...AWK!

[bluehenbillk]

Phils and Hens both choke in the end today, ugh.

Madson and Myers are both out of position, put Ryan in for the 8th and Brett the 9th, stop screwing around.

[Ivytalk]

Another agonizing 9th inning, but Lidge hung on this time (barely) in Phils' 5-4 win. Kendrick looked sharp, and the Flyin' Hawaiian homered to nail down the quadruple double!xbowx

[MR. CHICKEN]

GIDDY-UP.......BRADLEY.........xbowx.........BRAWK!!

[ngineer]

Madson da Man this time. Nails it down for Pedro...Phils are 7-0 when Pedro starts. He goes 8 innings twirling a shutout. Phils win 1-0. 3/4 from the Mutts.xthumbsupx

[bluehenbillk]

Sweep the twinbill and mathematically eliminate the Mutts. Great starting pitching, KK and Pedro.

If the season ends today, no way Pedro isn't in the postseason rotation. With Romero out, who's the Champs choice lefty in the pen? A- J.A. Happ

[blukeys]

I agree with BK. The starting rotation is a bit Lefty heavy. Putting Pedro in between Lee and Hamels should help all three.

[89Hen]

Pedro xbowx

[foghorn]

Pedro really surprised me; never thought he'd be as effective as he is. I agree that he should be in the post-season rotation. Romero can stay inactive as far as I'm concerned. Playoffs way too much pressure for him; Eyre, although no stud, is more dependable.
The continued main concern is the closer situation. Lidge needs to make an appointment with Dr. Melfi pronto, as I'm convinced his problem is mental. Brad was throwing 95mph, so he appears fine physically. Hey, the Phils have a little time yet to experiment, so try Myers.

[Ivytalk]

Vote for Pedro!:D

And isn't it amazing that the Phillies are the only team that Tim Redding pitches well against. (The William Van Landingham syndrome). And we beat John Maine for the first time ever on Sunday afternoon.

[89Hen]

Pedro really surprised me; never thought he'd be as effective as he is. I agree that he should be in the post-season rotation.
92mph in the 8th inning on 125 pitches. xbowx

[93henfan]

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[GannonFan]

Yup, at this point, you almost have to put Pedro in the postseason rotation. While I love Happ's season, he's still a rookie and having him pitch a game 4 with the Phils down 2-1 in a series isn't as appealing as having Pedro in there. I'd worry about Happ having a Kendrick-type postseason outing like we saw in '07. At this point, assuming we don't blow Pedro's arm out with more 130 pitch outings, I want him to have the ball in the postseason.

[blukeys]

Has anybody noticed? This thread is just 22 short of 1000. Sorry it is 21 short of 1000.