Sheff Is Now A Met

[GeauxLions94]

Deal is contingent on passing a physical ... what a way to open Citi Field with home run No. 500 xeyebrowx

Sheffield Signs With Mets (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtoUqkZxXtWEBDcNgXpODcQ5nYcB?slug=ap-mets-sheffield&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[minuteman65]

Deal is contingent on passing a physical ... what a way to open Citi Field with home run No. 500* xeyebrowx

Sheffield Signs With Mets (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtoUqkZxXtWEBDcNgXpODcQ5nYcB?slug=ap-mets-sheffield&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Fixed.

[bluehenbillk]

Makes sense as the Mets have Beltran and nobody in their OF. Don't choke come September Gary....

[93henfan]

They'll still choke.

[hebmskebm]

Makes sense as the Mets have Beltran and nobody in their OF. Don't choke come September Gary....

Us Mets fans have an irrational faith in Daniel Murphy.

[whitey]

Church isn't anything to sneeze at either. He's basically a left-handed Werth. So that's funny coming from a Phillies fan. You can't have all-stars at every position.

If Sheffield is used as a bench player and gets the occasional start in RF against lefties I'm okay with this move. If Manuel has bigger intentions for him and uses him at the expense of taking a lot of at-bats away from Murphy & Church then I'm not okay with this move. For $400k though I guess it's worth it to find out if the guy has anything left in the tank. Especially if Marlon Anderson gets booted off the roster as a result of this.

[DSUrocks07]

Church isn't anything to sneeze at either. He's basically a left-handed Werth. So that's funny coming from a Phillies fan. You can't have all-stars at every position.

If Sheffield is used as a bench player and gets the occasional start in RF against lefties I'm okay with this move. If Manuel has bigger intentions for him and uses him at the expense of taking a lot of at-bats away from Murphy & Church then I'm not okay with this move. For $400k though I guess it's worth it to find out if the guy has anything left in the tank. Especially if Marlon Anderson gets booted off the roster as a result of this.

I knew I should of stuck with baseball in high school xlolx

[GannonFan]

Church isn't anything to sneeze at either. He's basically a left-handed Werth. So that's funny coming from a Phillies fan. You can't have all-stars at every position.

I'd take Werth over Church - Werth has more power, is a legit threat to steal some bases, and covers much more ground in the outfield. Not sure there's much of anything Church does better than Werth.




If Sheffield is used as a bench player and gets the occasional start in RF against lefties I'm okay with this move. If Manuel has bigger intentions for him and uses him at the expense of taking a lot of at-bats away from Murphy & Church then I'm not okay with this move. For $400k though I guess it's worth it to find out if the guy has anything left in the tank. Especially if Marlon Anderson gets booted off the roster as a result of this.

I don't think there's anyway that Sheff is going to be content being a primarily bench player - that was the main reason why he picked the Mets over the Phils; better chance at playing time in New York. He wants to start and play a lot, and he'll cause plenty of trouble if he's not. The move is fine by the Mets, though - they're paying nothing for him and if he really is done (as last year and the Spring strongly indicated) then he's easy to cut as well. It's a no-risk move by the Mets that can only have upside (the upside being if Sheff can regain some of his previous form).

[whitey]

Your Phillies homerism is showing. Church and Werth have virtually the same slugging percentage. Therefore they both hit with power just about equally. Werth does have 10 more career home runs but also has more at-bats. It's virtually a wash. Both are EXCELLENT fielders and it's tough to say which one is better than the other. The only thing I'd give Werth is that he's probably less injury prone. But I still stand by my initial argument. They are basically the same player.

I do agree with you on your analysis of the Sheffield situation. If he sucks or starts trouble he's gone and it costs the Mets basically nothing. Can't argue with this one too much. Plus it likely gets Marlon Anderson off the roster.

[Hoyadestroya85]

It's not bad signing Gary Sheffield for the minimum to be a Pinch Hitter and spot starter in the outfield. The Mets overachieved last season with all the injuries they shouldn't have even come close to making the playoffs. Now We have a closer, and a solid setup man who could also be a good closer plus Billy Wagner could be ready by the end of the season.. that makes for a ridiculous bullpen. The Phillies refused to resign their biggest Met Killer and instead signed a 36 year old who could very well be older (Moises Alou anyone?) The Phillies pitching staff is inconsistent and I can see no way that Myers does as well this season. Also, if one of your starters goes down.. he gets replaced in the rotation by Chan Ho Park, a guy who is most famous for giving up two grand slams to Fernando Tatis in the same inning.

[LeopardFan04]

It's not bad signing Gary Sheffield for the minimum to be a Pinch Hitter and spot starter in the outfield. The Mets overachieved last season with all the injuries they shouldn't have even come close to making the playoffs. Now We have a closer, and a solid setup man who could also be a good closer plus Billy Wagner could be ready by the end of the season.. that makes for a ridiculous bullpen. The Phillies refused to resign their biggest Met Killer and instead signed a 36 year old who could very well be older (Moises Alou anyone?) The Phillies pitching staff is inconsistent and I can see no way that Myers does as well this season. Also, if one of your starters goes down.. he gets replaced in the rotation by Chan Ho Park, a guy who is most famous for giving up two grand slams to Fernando Tatis in the same inning.


Park has been named the 5th starter...

[Hoyadestroya85]

I know.. but the fifth starter is a glorified spot starter

[GannonFan]

I know.. but the fifth starter is a glorified spot starter


There's nothing glorified about it - everybody needs a 5th starter and they get only a few less starts than the other 4 starters.


Now We have a closer, and a solid setup man who could also be a good closer plus Billy Wagner could be ready by the end of the season.. that makes for a ridiculous bullpen.

Seriously, you want Billy Wagner back??? Burrell was just one of many Phils who loved to bat against him. I would love Wagner to take away innings from Putz.


The Phillies pitching staff is inconsistent and I can see no way that Myers does as well this season.

People were saying that last year as well, and all that pitching staff did was pitch well all year and through the playoffs. And they're all back. And who's to say some aren't going to be better than last year? Hamels gave away several games, and Blanton didn't really start coming into his own until the postseason - and he's looked great all Spring and they only had him for half the year last year.



Your Phillies homerism is showing. Church and Werth have virtually the same slugging percentage. Therefore they both hit with power just about equally. Werth does have 10 more career home runs but also has more at-bats. It's virtually a wash. Both are EXCELLENT fielders and it's tough to say which one is better than the other. The only thing I'd give Werth is that he's probably less injury prone. But I still stand by my initial argument. They are basically the same player.

And your Mets homerism doesn't blossom whenever you discuss the Phils? Career's tough to look at - neither has had much of one yet. But Werth did put up mid 20's in HR's last year and there's no reason he won't again. Church ain't getting that. And clearly Werth has a lot more speed than Church - not even a question there. So outside of HR power and speed, they're the same. xrolleyesx

[Hoyadestroya85]

I wouldn't mind Wagner being a lefty specialist reliever.. and had he been healthy at the end of last season, the Mets would have won the division. Wagner isn't great but he's still is an above average reliever.

[whitey]

And your Mets homerism doesn't blossom whenever you discuss the Phils?

It might, but I really try to keep that at bay. I'm just as critical as the biggest Minaya haters. Hell, I agreed with your Sheffield analysis. I thought it was spot on. But just because I think Ibanez was a bad signing and that Werth and Church are basically the same player (which they are) doesn't reek Mets homerism. Give me a break. I'm just trying as objectively as I can to look at the numbers and analyze each situation that pops up on the boards. Comparing home run totals between two players is wrong when one player hits for 80 games (when he's not hurt) in a pitchers park and the other plays 80 games in a hitters park. That's just not fair. Stolen basses has been proved by the saber community an over-rated statistic. Church does just fine as a base runner, just because he doesn't have "steals" doesn't mean he's slow. However if you look at other offensive indicators like slugging percentage and on base percentage and OPS (and OPS+) they are roughly the same player. You can't say one is definitively better than the other.

[seantaylor]

The Mets are an absolute ancient team. They are going nowhere.

[whitey]

Give me a break. Only one important player is in the "age danger zone" for a baseball player and that is Delgado. The rest of the team is either still in their prime or haven't even reached their prime years yet.

[gmoney55]

Providing this only means a washed-up Marlon Anderson is cut, I don't see how there's anything bad with it for that price. If Sheff sucks and gets cut, you can just bring up Nick Evans to play a similar role. No one's mentioned it but I gotta believe Castillo is on thin ice too if Sheff plays well. Best lineup would probably have Murphy at 2B and Sheffield/Tatis/Church taking two spots along with Beltran in the OF. Murphy was at 2B in the fall and considering how bad Castillo's range is now it can't be much of a downgrade if at all.

[whitey]

Yeah I could see them playing Murphy at second base some this year. Especially if two of Church/Tatis/Sheffield all get hot at the same time. I do think if Castillo struggles though Cora is going to be option #1 for second base.