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kalm
March 7th, 2009, 04:50 PM
I copied this from a thread off EWU's message board. I've heard that FSU appeared before the NCAA on the same day as Eastern. Their hearing lasted six hours, Eastern's lasted one.

Eastern's transgressions include paying people to help with summer high school camps and providing extra side lines passes which counted as violating the maximum number of payed coaches, and allowing academic non-qualifiers to hold a clip board at practices and paying for summer time room and board.

I'm not saying EWU shouldn't receive sanctions (and the ones they have self imposed are damaging), but the post season ban only hurts the current players and the fans. All of the people responsible for the infractions at EWU - Head Coach, 2 AD's, University President - are gone. EWU has learned it's lesson and has spent the last two years cleaning up its athletics department and beefing up it's compliance office.

If FSU doesn't deserve a post season ban, neither does Eastern:




Well, it didn't take the NCAA long to demonstrate their version of "fairness" when it comes to levying sanctions against the Big Boys vs. the Big Sky! FSU's football program (along with nine other FSU athletic programs such as baseball, men's basketball, men's and women's track and field) totaling around 61 players engaged in academic fraud over the course of two seasons. What did the NCAA do when they made the finding that "a former learning specialist, academic advisor and tutor gave "improper assistance" to Florida State athletes who were taking online courses. According to the NCAA, the former learning specialist typed portions of papers for at least three athletes and also provided answers to an online psychology course quiz by instructing another athlete to complete the quiz on behalf of the athlete enrolled in the course"? The NCAA put them on 4 years probation, accepted their own sanctions of loss of three schollies for one year, 2 for the next year and 1 for the third year, and vacated the wins of games in which the ineligible players participated (FSU says it will appeal the sanction that involves vacating the games). This seems to be the majority of the sanctions although I'm sure there's the usual fine print ones that involve training blah, blah, blah, but, rest assured, there is no post season ban for any of the sports teams involved. This despite the NCAA's own comment on how serious the nature of the violation:

"The committee stated this case was "extremely serious" because of the large number of student-athletes involved and the fact that academic fraud is considered by the committee to be among the most egregious of NCAA rules violations."

bluehenbillk
March 8th, 2009, 09:02 AM
I'll agree that the only "real" punishment that would effect a BCS school like FSU is primarily a postseason ban and next would be scholarship reductions.

blueballs
March 8th, 2009, 09:53 AM
The only meaning ful punishments would be to (a) take away wins during the time of the transgressions, which take away Bowden's reson for existance in a football (and maybe in a life) sense, and (b) keep them off TV (which means no bowl too).

You'd hear the howling from Tallahassee all the way to Honolulu... especially with the way UF's program is going currently.

As for fair... fairness is always deternmined by the amount of zeroes in a mans bank account, not just in college athletics but in life.

TribeNomad
March 8th, 2009, 01:03 PM
Blueballs---your last sentence is so true, we do not like it, and it is not equitable, but that is the real world. Too many utopians out there.....

kalm
March 8th, 2009, 02:12 PM
Blueballs---your last sentence is so true, we do not like it, and it is not equitable, but that is the real world. Too many utopians out there.....

Yes, life isn't fair. And no one is asking for utopia. Just that the punishment is equitable and fits the crime. Adademic fraud is a premeditated act. Ignorance as to the rules, or operating under what previous coaches did is a little different.

The regulatory NCAA who's in charge of protecting fairness, makes an example of a small school/easy target by punishing a good group of players and coaches who are not the problem simply because it can.

I know appeals are difficult to win especially if the circumstances haven't changed. Does anyone have further knowledge on the subject of appeals?

Lehigh Football Nation
March 9th, 2009, 10:21 AM
There is no question that EWU should not have a postseason ban, especially in light of what happened at FSU. Giving the argument extra weight is that FSU didn't get a slap on the wrist, really, in any other way, with four years probation, loss of schollies, etc.

Unfortunately if the NCAA upholds EWU's ban, it's simply business as usual - non-FBS schools gets the hammer, while they look the other way when it invovles FBS. xnonono2x

Green Cookie Monster
March 9th, 2009, 10:59 AM
FSU=Fayetteville State University or Florida State?

813Jag
March 9th, 2009, 11:08 AM
The only meaning ful punishments would be to (a) take away wins during the time of the transgressions, which take away Bowden's reson for existance in a football (and maybe in a life) sense, and (b) keep them off TV (which means no bowl too).

You'd hear the howling from Tallahassee all the way to Honolulu... especially with the way UF's program is going currently.

As for fair... fairness is always deternmined by the amount of zeroes in a mans bank account, not just in college athletics but in life.
There'd be some yelling from Tampa as well. xlolx UF's football success is being balanced out by their sitting on the basketball bubble. Couldn't stand them winning titles in both sports.